A billboard in Nazareth called for vehicular jihad attacks against Israel. Mahmoud Abbas’ “moderate” Fatah has also called for such attacks.
“Israeli soldier killed in Palestinian car ramming in West Bank: army,” Reuters, April 6, 2017:
The Israeli military said a car driven by a Palestinian deliberately rammed two Israeli soldiers, killing one and injuring the other, in the occupied West Bank on Thursday.
The death brings to 39 the number of Israelis killed in a wave of Palestinian street attacks that began in October 2015, while at least 242 Palestinians have been killed in Israel and the Palestinian Territories over the past 18 months.
The driver was detained after the incident near the Jewish settlement of Ofra, the army said in a statement. Witnesses told Israeli media that as he approached a bus stop, he accelerated and directed the vehicle at two soldiers waiting there….
Photos from the scene of Thursday’s incident showed the driver, bound, blindfolded and guarded by a soldier, seated next to his damaged car, in the undergrowth behind the bus stop. The vehicle had Palestinian license plates….

Undaunted says
When these drivers come at you:
– Multiple +P 9mm rounds into the driver, not the vehicle
– 9mm because you can carry more of them than the larger caliber .40 SW and .45 ACP, and you’re going to need a shit-load of ammo to stop the driver
Frank Anderson says
Undaunted, 9mm bullets have trouble penetrating windshields and even side windows. They are too light and deflect if there is any angle between the glass and their line of travel. It takes more mass and energy to penetrate and continue in a straight line. I believe there are demonstrations online. There is a useful illustration in the Jean Reno movie “Crimson Rivers”. You can carry a whole lot of BB’s, but King Kong will not notice them. Please check it out for yourself.
Polk1970 says
Back to the Past
.44 MAGNUM
OR
Army COLT .45
Undaunted says
Oh, Jesus.
44 Magnum: too hard to control. You need to get as many projectiles as you can going into the target as quickly as you can. .45 ACP… same story.
Hi-cap mags stacked with 9mm +P.
Wake the fuck up.
Frank Anderson says
Polk. the test that I saw online confirmed both the 44 and 45 penetrate windshields and side windows with less deflection inside the car/truck. I have tested 40S&W loads which are more powerful using the same weight bullets as the 45, and suggest it may be a better choice because a double-stack magazine is not so large as to require huge hands for comfortable use.
The 45 is rightly valued by a tradition of over a hundred years of reliable performance. But we have learned something about powders and design in that time so it is not the only choice. In my testing anything the 45 can do the 40 can do just a little better because of its slightly smaller size and higher maximum pressure.
To me, the 9mm is for people who just can’t accept the possibility that someone needs to die in order for them to survive. Wounding a crazy and probably drug loaded suicidal attacker steals the time and opportunity for effective self-defense.
Undaunted says
Yeah, that’s it, Frank… I can’t accept the possibility that someone needs to die in order for me to survive. Thanks for clarifying that.
Forget the fact that we pretty much get to choose one gun in one caliber to carry for self-defense and the fact that the more bullets one brings to a gunfight, the better.
Yeah, I don’t know shit.
Frank Anderson says
Undaunted, if the number of rounds you can carry is so important, why not use a 22 rimfire or 22 rimfire magnum. If you are carrying a submachine gun, 9mm will get by. But with a handgun it is a poor choice without a windshield or window glass in the way. Look at the details of the shooting and killing of Michael Brown, 6 ft 6 inch, 305 pounds, loaded on drugs, almost certainly with a 9mm. Officer Wilson was lucky to survive, with no glass between them. Putting safety glass in the way reduces the defensive value of an already weak round. “Learn from other’s mistakes: You can’t live long enough to make them all yourself.” Unknown.
I have a number of handguns in various calibers ranging from 9 mm to 44 mag, and have been reloading cartridges of most cartridges from 32 S&W to 50 BMG since 1964. Please consider. It is your decision and your life at risk.
Undaunted says
If I put one single BB into your eye at the right velocity, you’re a fucking goner, Frank. Therefore, the more “BB’s” at that velocity piercing your eye, the better.
Your “45… tradition” ignores modern, up-to-date powders, bullet designs, and other cogent facts. I qualified Expert with a .45 for years in the Army Military Police Corps so don’t jump on your horse and tell me I don’t know shit about the 1911, its round, or how to shoot it.
Undaunted says
22 LR? Like the Israeli counter-terrorism guys?
Frank Anderson says
Undaunted, among my friends is an Vietnam era Air Force small arms instructor who was Number 1 in his class. His skill with a 1911 is amazing. Another is a Vietnam era Navy graduate officer who also loves the 45. Another is a recently retired mid-ranking officer, who faced “up close and personal” 2 “bad guys in Iraq” with a 45, who believes a 9mm would have gotten him killed in that setting.
I do not ignore the advancements in 100 years of technology development. After my work, which includes because of my work, being prepared daily for self-defense, I carry one or more 40’s with a permit. I think the experience with the 9mm, going back to the Philipines in the late 1800’s and early 1900’s with the similar 38 S&W shows it is a poor choice for defensive handguns. The decision of which handgun to carry and use is personal. But looking at all the 110 years with 9mm (.355 inch) and more than that with 38 (.357 inch) cartridges, with any kind of barrier between the shooter and target, they just don’t work as well. You seem to assume you have unlimited time in a defensive encounter to fire and reload. That defies the observation that most personal defensive encounters seem to be resolved in about 5 or 6 shots.
BTW, I represented a 12 year old whose eye was deliberately shot out by a neighbor’s son with a BB gun. If the BB had hit 1/4 inch different it would have passed through the opening for the optical nerve and killed my client. There was no windshield, side window or safety glasses in the way.
As far as your military service, thank you. As far as your utter lack of tact and courtesy on this forum, your training is not showing.
HIPS says
Douse all state issued and privately owned ammo in pigs blood. It worked for Gen. Black Jack Pershing.
Charli Main says
All these Muslim terrorists should be buried in pig shyte after they have been disposed off, as a warning to all other Muslims who believe they are going to get a cart load of virgins, sexy boys and a herd of goats for killing infidels.
mortimer says
We do not behave disrespectfully to human remains. We are the ‘good guys’. Never forget that.
Undaunted says
Spare us the lecture, Mort.
Charli Main says
I don’t regard mass murdering Muslim scum as ” human”.
JIMJFOX says
Urban myth. Never happened.
Undaunted says
Yup.
mortimer says
There is a jihad attack in Israeli every week and a fatal one every month. The Islamic ‘truck of peace’ may be coming your way. Who do you think they’ll ‘bump into’ today?
(sarc/off)
Undaunted says
That’s it? That’s all you got?
JIMJFOX says
What more do you want??
Undaunted says
Something less than inanity would be nice.
Michael Hanni Morcos says
It is getting to a point that we behave as we are too in Denial not only vis a vis Islam and the Koran ;but also that we are in the End Times .thank you
JIMJFOX says
Heavy fixed reinforced concrete bollards EVERYWHERE. Cheap, strong, effective.
Cast big hollow ones at vulnerable points and plant flowers!
JIMJFOX says
Or, high concrete footpaths- cars, even trucks smash against them. Ineffectively.
JIMJFOX says
IF Westminster Bridge had Armco barriers along the footpaths…
Charli Main says
Get your point but what London needs is no Muslims. That’s the ultimate solution to the ” muslim problem”
dumbledoresarmy says
If you want to know more about the very young Jewish Israeli soldier, Elhai Taharlev, who was murdered – and he was a member of the elite Golani Brigade – the Arutz Sheva/ Israel National News has published two articles.
http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/227846
“Soldier murdered near Ofra: Elhai Taharlev”.
Such a beautiful young man. A soldier of Israel.
http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/227850
“Outpouring of grief over Elhai’s murder
Yeshivas and rabbinic organizations express their sorrow at the loss of soldier murdered in car attack.”
Good thing is, Israel National News reporters don’t have much truck with the enemy’s terminology. They don’t say ‘West Bank’, let alone ‘occupied territories”, etc and so forth, as the likes of Reuters are wont to do. In *their* report they state straightout that the attack occurred “in the western Binyamin region”. (That is: the region associated with the tribe of Benjamin, which is adjacent to the area apportioned to Judah/ Yehudah, from which the ancient toponym “Judaea” – as used by, for example, the writers of the Gospels of Luke and of Matthew – is derived).
Judaea and Samaria – “the mountains of Israel”, to use a phrase from the Prophet Ezekiel, who wrote during the Babylonian Captivity.
Mo says
@ dumbledoresarmy
Thank you for this. He was so very young! So horrible. Poor family.
How I wish Israel would END this death cult already, once and for all!
dumbledoresarmy says
This young Jewish man, Elhai Taharlev, was murdered by the Muslim for exactly the same ‘reason’ as the British cop, Keith Palmer, who was stabbed to death by a Muslim ghazi raider in London just recently.
Both men, uniformed representatives of Infidel military and Infidel law enforcement, were murdered in acts of war – Jihad warfare, carried out in order to weaken and demoralise an Infidel sovereign state, so as to make it easier for Muslims to take over and rule.
One proper response to the murder is for hundreds of resolute Islamosavvy young men and women to join up and swell the ranks of the IDF (in Israel) and the police and the military in the UK. For those who are older, but still physically fit, there are the Reserves, or equivalent, in both countries.
Those too old to step up and enlist have to redouble their efforts to educate, warn and apply political pressure. If the ranks of the Islamosavvy – whether in Israel, or in the UK, or anywhere else – can be rapidly increased beyond a certain point, then the *Infidel* ‘block vote’ can become a force to be reckoned with.
In the USA the aim should be to quickly make ACT for America’s membership *more* numerous than the total number of Muslims within the USA. Aim for an organised, active chapter in every suburb, nay, every neighbourhood; there should be more ACT for America local chapters, than there are mosques in America, and those chapters should make *much more noise* and exert much more pressure, politically speaking, than any of those mosques.
Let’s reflect on the defiant words of Elhai Taharlev’s home community, as they mourned their murdered boy – “”We believe that we can overcome our enemies, and that we will.”
We *can* overcome our enemies… and we *will*.
Let *that* be the watchword of the resistance to Jihad.
dumbledoresarmy says
That Reuters report is beneath contempt. The reporters are in the corner for the genocidal Muslim Jihad against the Jews.
It made me so angry that I went through it and added rewrites and annotations.
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-israel-palestinians-idUSKBN1780PM?il=0
Thu Apr 6, 2017 | 12:33pm EDT
“Israeli soldier killed in Palestinian car ramming in West Bank: army”
Correction: “Israel: Muslim carries out car ramming, murders young IDF soldier”.
“The Israeli military said a car driven by a Palestinian deliberately rammed two Israeli soldiers, killing one and injuring the other, in the occupied West Bank on Thursday.”
Let’s rewrite – “A local Muslim deliberately drove his car over two young IDF Jewish soldiers, murdering one and badly wounding hte other, in the Binyamin region on Thursday.”
“The death brings to 39 the number of Israelis killed in a wave of Palestinian \ street attacks that began in October 2015, while at least 242 Palestinians have been killed in Israel and the Palestinian Territories over the past 18 months.
Note – Between the lines these contemptible reporters are trying to prompt the readers into thinking that the Pooooor ‘Palestinians’ are the ‘real’ victims because, you see, more of them are being killed by the Eeeeevil Joooooz. But then in WWII more Germans were killed by the Allies than people on the Allied side were killed by Germans; did that mean that the Third Reich were the victims, and the underdog, and the good guys? – dda
Proposed rewrite:
“The death brings to 39 the number of Jews – mostly civilians – in Israel who have been murdered in the street by local Arab Muslims since October 2015. Meanwhile some 242 local Arab Muslims have been killed by Israeli forces acting in self-defence.” – dda
“The driver was detained after the incident near the Jewish settlement of Ofra, the army said in a statement.
“Witnesses told Israeli media that as he approached a bus stop, he accelerated and directed the vehicle at two soldiers waiting there.
(Note – there is probably video footage of the attack; Reuters could have linked it).
“Israeli government development of settlements in the West Bank has been a focus of friction with Palestinians and contributed to the breakdown of peace talks. Israel disputes the view that the settlements are illegal, and argues it has biblical and historical ties to the land.
Rewrite – “Irredentist Muslim imperialists are incensed by the sight of Jews establishing homes, farms and towns in historic Judea and Samaria which, in 1967, were liberated by Israel in a war of self-defence against genocidal Jihad.” – dda
“Israel says at least 162 of the Palestinians killed had launched stabbing, shooting or ramming attacks. Others died during clashes and protests.
Israel has accused the Palestinian leadership of inciting the violence.”
Rewrite – “At least 162 of the local Muslims who have been killed by Israeli forces were killed to stop them from carrying out or continuing stabbings, shootings, and car-rammings of Jews. Others were rioting or engaged in paramilitary terrorist attacks. – dda”
“Israel has accused the ‘Palestinian’ Arab Muslim leaders of inciting the violence, and can present as proof a mass of material gathered and translated by MEMRI and by Palestinian Media Watch, for example: [insert, as typical examples, a couple of video clips and telling quotations from official Fatah websites and media outlets, here].
“The Palestinian Authority, which exercises limited self-rule in the occupied West Bank, denies incitement and charges that in many cases, Israel has used excessive force in thwarting attackers armed with rudimentary weapons.”
Rewrite – “The Palestinian Authority, which exercises limited self-rule in large areas of Judea and Samaria, denies incitement – despite all evidence to the contrary – and claims that, in many cases, Israel has used excessive force in thwarting attackers armed with “rudimentary” (sic) weapons.” – dda
Note: At this point the reporters could and should have linked the very telling video footage of, oh, about thirty of forty of these attacks, to show just how ridiculous it is to trivialise them, to claim that because they are done with ‘rudimentary’ weapons – though many are NOT – a car driven full tilt at you is NOT a ‘rudimentary’ weapon – they are not really all that dangerous. It is plainly obvious, from all of the footage of various attacks that I have seen, that the attackers are in a sort of trance or berserker frenzy. You do not stop someone like that by sweet reasonableness and politely asking them to cease and desist. The other thing that the Reuters report hopes you don’t factor into the equation is the thing that the Israelis MUST and DO – the real possibility that any one of these attackers might not *just* have a car, or an axe, or a knife, but… be ‘wired to explode’. The thing to do is to drop them as fast as you can. – dda
“Photos from the scene of Thursday’s incident showed the driver, bound, blindfolded and guarded by a soldier, seated next to his damaged car, in the undergrowth behind the bus stop. The vehicle had Palestinian license plates.”
Note: I am sure that there is video footage of the entire episode. Why is Reuters choosing not to show it? Instead of this mealymouthed paragraph focusing on the arrested murderer – who, nota bene, has NOT been shot dead – why not provide links to the photos (available from Israeli English-language media) showing what happened *before* that scene of the arrested murderer in police custody? – dda
“Five days ago, Israeli paramilitary police officers shot dead a Palestinian after he stabbed three Israelis in Jerusalem’s Old City.”
Rewrite – “Five days ago, a local Arab Muslim with a knife attempted to murder three unarmed young Jewish men in a stabbing attack in the Old City in Jerusalem, and was subsequently shot dead by police.” – dda
(Writing by Jeffrey Heller; editing by Ralph Boulton; Editing by Hugh Lawson)
it is a good exercise, every time one encounters one of these ‘reports’ in the mainstream media, to go through it line by line and even word by word. Resist the ‘programming’. Read between the lines. Use your intelligence, and the knowledge you have acquired here, to try to think: “how would this report read, if the damn reporters were NOT consciously or unconsciously shilling for the Global Jihad?”
Angemon says
Let me guess: “what Israel is doing is a disproportionate response”. Bleargh!