Some recent headlines from this inspiring beacon of moderate Islam:
Indonesia: Sharia vigilantes beat gay couple, then turn them over to religious police
Sharia Indonesia: Woman gets 100 lashes for sex outside marriage
“Moderate” Indonesia gives “messiah” five years in prison for “blasphemy”
Indonesia’s Aceh province lashes 339 people with cane in 2016 for violations of Sharia
Indonesia: Christmas ornament found bearing word “Allah,” Muslims outraged, hotel shut down
Indonesia: 150,000 Muslims demand arrest of Christian governor for “blasphemy”
Indonesia: Muslims firebomb church, injure four children
Sharia in Indonesia: Woman savagely beaten for standing too close to her boyfriend
Indonesia: Muslims attack 200 Christians at church, harass priest for reading Bible
Ramadan in Indonesia: 4 Muslims jailed for plot to blow up Buddhist temple
Sharia Indonesia: 60-year-old woman caned for selling alcohol in Aceh
Indonesia: Muslims call for closure of churches in Sharia province
Muslims leaving Indonesia for Islamic State daily: “too many to count”
Indonesia: Muslim mobs attack churches, one dead, four wounded
Indonesia: Police open fire on church, kill 15-year-old boy
“Pence Visits Mosque, Declares Indonesia’s Moderate Islam ‘an Inspiration to the World,'” by Bridget Johnson, PJ Media, April 20, 2017 (thanks to Creeping Sharia):
Vice President Mike Pence visited the Istiqlal mosque in Jakarta today during the first visit by a Trump administration official to Indonesia.
The Masjid Istiqlal, the largest mosque in southeast Asia that can accommodate 200,000 worshipers, is the same one President Obama and first lady Michelle Obama visited during Obama’s 2010 trip to the world’s most populous Muslim country.
As is custom, Pence removed his shoes while wife Karen Pence and daughters Audrey and Charlotte also donned headscarves.
The family met Grand Imam Haji Nasaruddin Umar and other officials, toured the prayer hall and saw how the five-times-a-day call to prayer is done.
Pence then joined and spoke at a closed-door interfaith dialogue with representatives from Christianity, Buddhism, Confucianism, Hinduism and Islam.
At Merdeka Palace remarks with Indonesian President Joko Widodo before the mosque tour, Pence said President Trump “sent me here as a sign of the high value the United States places on our strategic partnership with Indonesia.”
“As the second and third largest democracies in the world, our two countries share many common values — including freedom, the rule of law, human rights, and religious diversity,” he said. “The United States is proud to partner with Indonesia to promote and protect these values, the birthright of all people.”
Pence talked about multiple areas of cooperation, including leveling the playing field “to ensure that American exporters can fully participate in the Indonesia market, the same freedom that Indonesia exporters have had in many sectors in the United States for many years.”
“The United States is also proud to be one of Indonesia’s oldest and most engaged defense partners. And under President Trump we are firmly committed to continuing to collaborate on the security of both of our peoples. A stronger defense partnership will serve us well as we confront the various security threats and challenges that we now face. And of course, one of the greatest threats we face is the rise and spread of terrorism,” he added.
Pence noted that “the largest majority Muslim country, Indonesia’s tradition of moderate Islam, frankly, is an inspiration to the world.”
“In your nation, as in mine, religion unifies — it doesn’t divide. It gives us hope for a brighter future, and we are all grateful for the great inspiration that Indonesia provides for the world,” the vice president added. “Rest assured, under President Trump, the United States welcomes all who share our values and strive for that brighter future.”…
Don Davenport says
Even more absurd are his female entourage smiling and wearing head bags.
The west is doomed.
Echo says
It all looks so false.
Sons of Liberty says
Exactly ! VP Pence is another politician that just does not get it ,….there IS NO PEACEFUL ISLAM ,..there is only Islam. The Qur’an and Muhammed make it clear that killing and persecuting nonbelievers is required. Got that VP Pence ! The people in or Country are going to have to make it known ,…we do not accept an evil ideology by a 7th century murderer into the USA anymore. STOP the Islamization …NOW. President Trump knows the truth , these people hate us, I pray he succeeds in stopping ALL MUSLIM MIGRATION. The ones we have here now ,…it is estimated by many that at least 1/3 of them will become jihadists and turn violent. Think of that , 1/3 of all the Muslims OBAMA allowed into our Country will become jihadists, … and the other ones won’t say a thing to stop it ,…because they agree with their evil ideology. That is why there are FBI investigations going on in EVERY STATE . I believe that anyone that committed terror in our Country , ..the WHOLE FAMILY GETS DEPORTED back to their country of origin.
bob says
What a phony picture, I thought pence was a smart guy , but I guess him and mcmaster where not much of a pick trump better get on top of these 2 guys cause trump is already slipping into a place that don t look good !!
pandainc says
The Veep is having a really bad day. “As the second and third largest democracies in the world, our two countries share many common values…” This has to be for the press, I’m sure he just cannot believe that BS.
pandainc says
BTW (forgot this, pls. forgive) which nation is the #1 democracy?
JawsV says
Pence’s wife and daughters sporting hijabs is absolutely revolting. Pence has removed his shoes. You’re all idiots kowtowing to barbaric ultra-misogynist murderous Islam.
Halal Bacon says
if islam is so bloody wonderful, why does it need moderation?
gravenimage says
Damn good question…
Irene Brekelmans says
Feminisme seems to be gone completely. Really modern Islam in Indonesia.
Watch the video, where a marine speaks out what happens at the Mexican borders now. Islam is trying to smuggle in all kind of wapens via the Mexicans. We are waiting for the big wall.
I can not understand this submissive behaviour any more. We can not wait forever till somebody gets back their senses. Islam is not sitting still in the meantime. I read the whole report why Islam is so violent and their children and their children, but in the meantime nothing changes this political religion can not live in our countries and mess up everything. In at least 300 years NOT. An probably NEVER.
Jihadi John says
Notice the obvious gender segregation in the picture. The men on one side, the women on the other.
StacyGirl says
Saw that. This behavior rather than honoring the values of the host country demeans our values and the standing of women as equals in any society. But it’s their way. Sigh.
Monty says
Maybe once there was an element of truth in the statement by Mr Pence. Not any more. In some provinces it has never been the case. Most people know Indonesia through Bali, which is basically Hindu. It is pretty much left alone as the Indonesians need the tourist dollars. The rest of the country is getting more and more oppressive. The recent vote against a Christian governor is ample demonstration of traditional Islam’s tightening grip on the largest Muslim nation. If Indonesia is the best that Islam can come up, well you can keep it. Mr Pence has been suckered, just as Obama before him, the Pope and countless other political leaders. And what a fatuous remark – “religion unites”. Since when? Since never!
gravenimage says
Monty wrote:
Maybe once there was an element of truth in the statement by Mr Pence. Not any more. In some provinces it has never been the case. Most people know Indonesia through Bali, which is basically Hindu. It is pretty much left alone as the Indonesians need the tourist dollars…
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Bali is not always left alone. Remember this?
“2002 Bali bombings”
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2002_Bali_bombings
The follow up is pretty disturbing, as well:
“Indonesia: 36 Bali jihad bombers who murdered 92 Australians are freed”
https://www.jihadwatch.org/2014/05/indonesia-36-bali-jihad-bombers-who-murdered-92-australians-are-freed
Vann Boseman says
It might be that Indonesia used to be more moderate than other Muslim countries, relatively speaking. If it ever was or not, it is not anymore.
mortimer says
PENCE IS LIVING IN LA-LA-LAND.
Pence’s need to say something nice about allies is less than his DUTY TO SPEAK OUT FOR HUMAN RIGHTS”
mortimer says
BREAK THE SILENCE ABOUT INDONESIA’S STATE PERSECUTION OF MINORITIES AND GAYS
https://www.hrw.org/news/2017/01/12/indonesia-silence-and-complicity-human-rights-abuses
Excerpts:
“In the 687-page World Report, its 27th edition, Human Rights Watch reviews human rights practices in more than 90 countries. In his introductory essay, Executive Director Kenneth Roth writes that a new generation of authoritarian populists seeks to overturn the concept of human rights protections, treating rights as an impediment to the majority will.”
“Jokowi’s second year in office was distinguished by his failure to speak up in defense of human rights for persecuted minorities desperately in need of government support and protection,” said Phelim Kine, deputy Asia director at Human Rights Watch. “Although Jokowi’s government announced long-overdue initiatives to promote accountability for the worst human rights abuses of the past, there was no official follow-through, and current abuses persisted.”
“Starting in January 2016, high-ranking Indonesian officials made a series of vitriolic anti-lesbian, gay, bisexual, and transgender (LGBT) statements and policy pronouncements, fueling increased threats and at times violent attacks on LGBT activists and individuals, primarily by Islamist militants. Jokowi failed to speak out in defense of LGBT rights until October.”
“Indonesia’s official Commission on Violence against Women reported that as of August, the number of discriminatory national and local regulations targeting women had risen to 422, from 389 at the end of 2015. They include local laws compelling women and girls to don the hijab, or headscarf, in schools, government offices, and public spaces.
“The Jokowi government is proving to be all talk and no positive action in terms of meaningfully addressing Indonesia’s serious human rights problems,” Kine said. “Indonesians need to insist that Jokowi deliver on past human rights commitments and seek to advance justice and curtail abuses in 2017.”
john spielman says
Pence; I am REALLY disappointed in you! just look at what is happening in Aceh province of Indonesia. The barbarian sharia law is being forced more and more!- there is NOTHING in common between western democratic values and islam
maghan says
There is even an FGM day in Indonesia. Thousands of young girls are put to the knife in an assembly line display of butchery. OK, Pence, money talks and TRUTH walks.
gravenimage says
True, Maghan. The atrocity of FGM is rife in Indonesia.
And Aceh province now has *stoning* on the books. So much for “moderation”…
carol says
Yes, and in the article below (about assembly line mutilation) you see clear indicators that the Indonesian Islamic wolf is drooling even harder and his captives are becoming adjusted to their tethers. It’s disappointing to see Pence putting such a positive spin on a land infected with Islamism. I’m sure he wouldn’t want to be accused (like Pope Francis) of trying to dishearten those with their heads still screwed on straight.
The Day I Saw 248 Girls Suffering Genital Mutilation
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2012/nov/18/female-genital-mutilation-circumcision-indonesia
mousey says
trump is trying to build big hotels in indonesia, maybe that is a reason for a blind eye to sharia expanding there.
gravenimage says
Actually, believing that Indonesia is “moderate” is *very* common–probably the norm in the West. Of course, Pence should know better–but this is more likely “conventional wisdom” than something deliberately nefarious.
underbed cat says
I voted for Trump, he said there is a problem. He was correct. I had a friend who tried to convert me, she told the truth, it sounded violent thought it weird. I read about Osama BL He spoke and wrote about Islam. He was a gathering martyrs and soldiers to slay infidels, resurrect a caliphate..as command by the Quran. It was described in the first edition of the 9/11 /Commisson Report. It was removed by muslim organizations as being inaccurate. The writers were pressured to remove most of the information by muslims. Muslims are forbidden from speaking the truth to protect the doctrine of Islam from being exposed. The home land security( HLS )organization that were suppose to protect against terror were also purged of words that describe the base. Trump picks Pence for vice president. I was concerned. Indiana has huge mosques….I hope Trump is not getting flipped. This article should show the number of mosques in Indiana. I wonder if they outreached to Pence. I hope Trump gets non-muslim experts so he will not be deceived by the those who will prevent factual description of information and call it racist.
gravenimage says
I doubt it, underbed cat. Trump’s instincts about the threat of Jihad are generally good, but he is not all that knowledgeable about Islam, either–Pence probably even less so.
eagle says
The infidels have been turning the cheek and giving up their lives for the last 1400 years, I am sure there was some love given along the way and to this day the 1400 year war is ongoing. When a Muslim puts down the Quran which teaches hate for the infidels, there might be hope for these soulless beings. This will happen when pigs fly, the Muslims eat pork, scrap Sharia Law in the Unites of America and except the Constitution as the only law of the American people equally applied to all American citizens with no religious exceptions.
Gbox says
They must truly believe we in the West are all idiots, and the Islamization thye plan for us will be easier than they ever imagined.
carol says
Seems we definitely have too many idiots who can’t muster the brainpower to DEMAND their politicians and leaders have a full and accurate knowledge of a common-decency-threatening predator trotting around in religious garb by name of ISLAM.
ibrahim itace muhammed says
Monty,are American christians tolerant to allow a muslim to be the governor of states like newyork or wisconsin? i can see many American christians opposing obama as president suspecting that he is a muslim in secrecy.then why blaming indonesians for not voting a christian to continue as governor of jakarta while you cannot the same to a muslim in the united states?idiot!!
StacyGirl says
followers of sha’ria cannot be trusted to take an oath to uphold the US constitution, and muslims running for office are always democrats, a toxic combination. While Christians allow religious minorities freedom, the same cannot be said of Muslims. The most notable Muslim elected here is democrat Keith Ellison. He favors homosexual marriage and abortion. Muslims vote for him because they value his taqiyya style and know his end game. Idiot.
Sons of Liberty says
Ibrahim muhammed , no Christians would not ,…and for a very good reason ,…anyone that believes in an evil ideology like Islam , would not be trusted to follow the US Constitution . We believe in LIBERTY ,….something totally not accepted in ISLAM . Got it , idiot .
Jasmine says
Ibrahim Muhammad: There is nothing in the Bible that forbids Christians from taking non Christians as friends or leaders. The Koran tells Muslims not to take Jews and Christians as allies in al-Maidah 5:51.
If Christians do not want to elect a Muslim as leader, it is not for religious reasons, ie. forbidden by their religion, but it is because they are aware of the true nature of Islam, ie. wanting to subjugate the world.
May I ask you whether you are in the west, in an infidel country? If you are, then you are doing something which is forbidden, unless you use your religion’s takiyya against the infidels and act as a Troyan horse.
gravenimage says
The vicious ibrahim itace muhammed wrote:
Monty,are (sic) American christians (sic) tolerant to allow a muslim (sic) to be the governor of states like newyork (sic) or wisconsin (sic)? i (sic) can see many American christians (sic) opposing obama (sic) as president suspecting that he is a muslim (sic) in secrecy.then (sic) why blaming indonesians (sic) for not voting a christian (sic) to continue as governor of jakarta (sic) while you cannot the same to a muslim (sic) in the united (sic) states (sic)?idiot!! (sic)
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What a dishonest load of crap. Muslims did not refuse to elect a Christian governor of Jakarta–he *was* elected. It was when he dared to hopefully quote a Muslim text that he has been threatened with blasphemy charges and death.
Civilized Infidels are not threatening Muslim politicians in the West, and this vicious Taqiyya artist knows it.
“Indonesia: Muslim protests turn violent, police question Christian governor over blasphemy claims”
https://www.jihadwatch.org/2016/11/indonesia-muslim-protests-turn-violent-police-question-christian-governor-over-blasphemy-claims
If Muslims had valid points to make, they would not feel the need to constantly lie.
CogitoErgoSum says
The story says that while in Indonesia Pence attended a closed-door interfaith dialogue with representatives from Christianity, Buddhism, Confucianism, Hinduism and Islam. I notice that no mention is made of a representative of Judaism being present at the meeting. I wonder if Pence or anyone else in the American delegation took note of that missing thread in the tapestry of Indonesia’s “religious diversity.”
Jasmine says
Most of the Indonesian Jews left when Indonesia became independent; the ones who could not afford to leave, changed their religion.
These days however, some of their descendants have reverted back to Judaism. Inn fact the largest permanent menorah in the world is in Indonesia, in a Christian majority province. The percentage of the majority is decreasing however with the influx of Muslims from other areas, and now there are many mosques, big and small in that province. Nobody ever forbade them to build their mosques, which they build with outside help, unlike the Christians in other parts of Indonesia.
http://thecompletepilgrim.com/worlds-largest-permanent-menorah/
Below is a link to just one of the injustices towards Christians in “moderate” Indonesia. Well …. it used to be moderate, nolt anymore.
http://www.thecsf.org/2017/02/08/indonesian-protestants-reach-church-compromise/
Spike1033 says
Pence and Trump could have done a great deal simply by pointing out, very politely, that the exports of Indonesian goods to the US could be taxed very highly if the Indonesians did not change their attitude. Why don’t our politicians realise that we want our pride back. Way back 100 years ago these 3rd world countries did not dare do the things they are now doing.
Sam says
WOW! Here we go again!
If our top guys are so ignorant about Islam how they are going to arrange anything with Islamic countries. Making such a stupid remark is a BIG DEAL.
Why cant our administration get ISLAM? such a disappointment again!!!!!!!!!!!
ibrahim itace muhammed says
Stacy girl,equally a filthy christian who believe that 3 gods make one God,which is a blasphemy,should not be trusted by muslims who worship one indisivle God the creator of all including jesus.you are fools and you take us for granted.Is American constitution not human production?if you are sincere why not allow muslim to be a leader as equal citizen of the united states?As your christianity is built on deception ,being inspired by the devil,you always deceive.idiots
gravenimage says
The appalling ibrahim itace muhammed wrote:
Stacy girl,equally (sic) a filthy christian who believe that 3 gods make one God,which (sic) is a blasphemy,should (sic) not be trusted by muslims who worship one indisivle (sic) God the creator of all including jesus (sic).
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Of course, this is not what Christianity teaches at all. But when have hateful Muslims even cared about this?
But we have religious freedom in the West, in any case, something Mohammedans like ibrahim itace muhammed can never understand.
And no–religious freedom does *not* extent to Muslims treating non-Muslims as second class citizens, nor to their marrying children, taking sex slaves, or engaging in mass-slaughter of Infidels.
More:
you (sic) are fools and you take us for granted.
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We don’t take Muslims for granted. We recognize them for the the hideous threat that they are.
More:
Is American constitution not human production?if (sic) you are sincere why not allow muslim (sic) to be a leader as equal citizen of the united (sic) states (sic)?As (sic) your christianity (sic) is built on deception ,being (sic) inspired by the devil,you (sic) always deceive.idiots (sic)
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The American Constitution is not a suicide pact.
Muslims do this all the time–claim that Christians are not really Christian, or Americans and other Westerners do not really believe in freedom unless we allow Muslims to seize power, impose their savage laws, and treat us as dhimmis and slaves.
Of course, sane people reject this disgusting attempt to instill false guilt. We would have something to be guilty about if we *did* allow this barbarism here.
ibrahim itace Muhammed says
Stacy girl,equally a filthy christian who believe that 3 gods make one God,which is a blasphemy,should not be trusted by muslims who worship one indisivle God the creator of all including jesus.you are fools and you take us for granted.Is American constitution not human production?if you are sincere why not allow muslim to be a leader as equal citizen of the united states?As your christianity is built on deception ,being inspired by the devil,you always deceive.you are too irrational and bigots
VRWC member77 says
Go fuck yourself, you INFERIOR piece of garbage.
More Ham Ed says
30707 DOCUMENTED DEADLY ISLAMIC TERROR ATTACKS since 9/11
https://www.thereligionofpeace.com/
https://www.thereligionofpeace.com/pages/articles/10-reasons-not-peace.aspx
commonsense says
Ibe – you’re back! I knew it was you posting even before I read your comment, as I could smell your camel urine-soaked cranial emanations right through my computer screen. For your information, O mindless slave of Allah, Christianity does not posit that, in your ignorant words, “3 gods make one God.” Your mentally deficient so-called prophet, along with the numberless dimwits who comprise the ulema, completely misunderstand the Trinitarian conception of God held by Christians. But don’t feel bad, you inbred lout – go pour yourself another cupful of urine from a she-camel – Muhammed’s surefire recommended cure-all – and drink it all down. I’m sure you’ll feel a lot better. Or better yet, have a ham and cheese on rye, with a little Gulden’s brown mustard. Write again soon!
gravenimage says
commonsense wrote:
Ibe – you’re back! I knew it was you posting even before I read your comment, as I could smell your camel urine-soaked cranial emanations right through my computer screen…
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There are not enough “thumbs up” to express my admiration for your kick-*ss post, commonsense. You rock!
commonsense says
Thank you. I could never muster up the mental effort to decipher everything this troglodyte is trying to say in his broken English, and then, moreover, parse his babblings, as you have done so effectively. So kudos to you, as well.
Joe says
Thanks gravenimage and commonsense!
I have to agree, but disagree with the troglodyte. He’s probably “housing” in a 1 bedroom no kitchen tent, mwahaha.
More Ham Ed says
The unholy ko ‘ran is not moderate – AND it contains NO overall theme or reformation to prove that the violent verses are not for current-day followers.
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/pages/quran/violence.aspx
Debi Brand says
“Pence removed his shoes while wife Karen Pence and daughters Audrey and Charlotte also donned headscarves.”
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“In your nation, as in mine, religion unifies — it doesn’t divide. It gives us hope for a brighter future.”
Acts, words of fools, in face of realities of Islam that all literate easily ought to know.
gravenimage says
Pence: “Indonesia’s tradition of moderate Islam, frankly, is an inspiration to the world”
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Depressing ignorance from our vice president.
JawsV says
So right. And Pence has got his wife and daughters sporting hijabs.
Jeanette says
And next he will have them in that annual genital mutilation in Indonesia, where thousands of girls and women are mutilated.
Notice that he didn’t force himself to wear one of the stupid looking Muslim hats.
commonsense says
Dr. Gorka, as Trump’s advisor on Islam, have you anything to say about this? Hello?
Dacritic says
Trump and Pence…
Need to call Robert Spencer or David Wood right away.
John A. Marre says
“The United States is also proud to be one of Indonesia’s oldest and most engaged defense partners”
That’s why Pence said stupid things that totally ignore reality.
Wishing that Islam were a good and noble human endeavor doesn’t make it so.
Graham says
I’m REALLY worried about Pence – something about him is not quite right!
Creole Gumbo says
I think what is wrong is that he is a politician.
UNCLE VLADDI says
Pence disgusts me. Indonesia like any other muslim country, has a recent history of violently invading and genociding their nearest Christian neighbors in East Timor.
Islamo-Pandering Pimp Mike Pence should learn at least a bit of recent history before shooting off his beak in public like Daffy Duck.
sinantara says
One has to distinguish between the province of Aceh where Shariah is the law and Indonesia as a whole. I think Aceh is a good thing because it serves as a warning to other provinces. A costly warning against a potentially more costly mistake, accepting shariah because once in place it can not be repealed. And Indonesians do take notice… When a Jakarta based Acehnese girl was elected Miss Indonesia the Aceh Council of Ulama started screaming and the press gleefully made a meal out of it and celebrated the girls snidy answers to the enraged clerics, the essence of which was, I may be an ethnic Acehnese but I am also a citizen of Indonesia.
M says
Another clown. I mean what made Trump give 20,000$ to LGBT and hire so many clowns even some of obama’s picks?
Another “career politician.” Gingrich is way better than this stiff David Duke loves so much.
M says
Chose Trump not the extra chumps. They’ve done something else screwed up in these last few days too. Anyway Adolfa Merkel is safe and refugees too. Jindoprep.
Timothy Johnson says
Does Mike Pence really believe what he said? Or is he just playing them? There is no peaceful Islam especially for us infidels or kaffers.