Except for that little matter of the Nazis putting people in concentration camps in order to work them to death or murder them outright. But what need does the Pope have for such petty details?
The Pope continues to exhort Europeans to commit civilizational suicide, and doesn’t hesitate to shame them into it by claiming it’s their Christian duty.
“Leave them; they are blind guides. And if a blind man leads a blind man, both will fall into a pit.” (Matthew 15:14)
“Pope Francis called refugee centers concentration camps. A Jewish group says there’s no comparison,” by Cleve R. Wootson Jr., Washington Post, April 23, 2017:
…Pope Francis, no stranger to lending his moral authority to a range of causes, was meeting with some migrants at the Basilica of St. Bartholomew in Rome on Saturday, according to the BBC, and relayed a story about a Middle Eastern refugee whose wife was killed by Islamist militants for holding on to her crucifix.
“I don’t know if he managed to leave that concentration camp,” the pope said. “Because many of them are concentration … because there is a great number of people left there inside them.”
As the pontiff’s words rocketed around the world, the American Jewish Committee, an advocate for Jewish causes, released a statement saying it understood the pontiff’s sentiments but didn’t agree with his comparison.
“The conditions in which migrants are currently living in some European countries may well be difficult, and deserve still greater international attention, but concentration camps they certainly are not,” AJC chief executive David Harris said in the statement on the group’s website.
“The Nazis and their allies erected and used concentration camps for slave labor and the extermination of millions of people during World War II. There is no comparison to the magnitude of that tragedy.”
“We respectfully urge the Pope to reconsider his regrettable choice of words,” Harris added. “Precision of language and facts is absolutely essential when making any historical reference, all the more so when coming from such a prominent and admired world figure.”…
Terry says
The asshole’s I mean pope’s statement MAKES NO SENSE -TO ME, IN LIGHT OF HIS USUAL GARBAGE.
IF-AS HE CLAIMS- WAS KILLED BECAUSE SHE WAS HOLDING ONTO A CRUCIFIX- THEN SHE WAS (I WOULD SAY I AM 98.76% SURE) A CHRISTIAN OF SOME SORT. AND KILLED BY MUSLIMS.
BUT MUSLIMS ARE WHOM HE IS ALWAYS PRAISING, AND SAYING THEY ARE——-.
If, in fact, a Christian was killed by Muslims (I am unaware of Hindu, Buddhist, or Mennonite terrorists in Europe, then this is probably THE FIRST TIME HE HAS SAID ANYTHING ABOUT CHRISTIANS IN THE M.E. (Unless in one of his asinine statements he was critical of Israel, the only country in the M. E. that gives sanctuary and rights to all people.
gravenimage says
Exactly, Terry. The problem was keeping vulnerable Christians in with these savages, not keeping the savages out in the first place.
Jeanette says
It only makes no sense because information is being withheld from us.
Is he really so stupid? That would explain it.
Is he getting some benefit that we don’t know about? That would explain it.
Does he have a special friend who is a Muslim (like Bush, Jr has)? That would explain it.
Do the Muslims have something on him that he would like to keep secret? That would explain it.
Something will make his stance for Islam (and therefore against his own church) make sense; we just don’t have the information we need – yet.
Mockingjay says
“Except for that little matter of the Nazis putting people in concentration camps in order to work them to death or murder them outright.”
– Yeah and that other small detail, that these migrants come to these “concentration camps” out of their own free will…and they keep on coming…and coming…and coming…
gravenimage says
All true, Mockingjay.
Jeanette says
And if they are producing babies there, that really exposes their objections as false.
Katnis says
He’s talking about a camp with a high concentration of people. I get that. However, the words “concentration camp” are too loaded to use. Poor choice of words.
somehistory says
Exactly right. The word *concentration* is harmless if speaking in general terms of a *large concentration of people of a certain nationality or ethnicity” living in a community.
Putting the word *camp* alongside and inferring that bad things are happening there…murder, etc….then he either is totally inept…or was trying to make a firestorm happen and get people all stirred up.
gravenimage says
Yes–this is an obvious–but false–implication that these detention centers are like the Nazi death camps.
Mockingjay says
– Yeah and that we, the Europeans, are the new nazis of course…
MukeNecca says
…while moslems are the new Jews…
Jeanette says
MukeNecca,
First, very interesting name!
Second Muslims are the new Jews – could there be anything more ironic than that!
gravenimage says
Yes–this is not just ironic, it is deeply cynical that the very people intent on attacking and murdering Jews are falsely claiming victimhood on the same basis. Just grotesque.
Wellington says
This is what can be expected from a Latin American leftist, regardless of the man being Pope, which is indeed a great misfortune not only for Roman Catholicism but for Christianity in general as well as for all of Western Civilization. He is the wrong man in the wrong place at the wrong time.
Jeanette says
He might be wrong for some or most people, but he is obviously right for some.
Not everyone WANTS the survival of the West, apparently.
Lucia Bartoli says
I am a traditional Catholic who is appalled at this (non) pope. I believe he has lost his mind. My late uncle, a priest in Northern Italy saved many Allied troops and Italian, Austrian Jews and was, himself, taken to Dachau and Mauthausen. THOSE, Francis, were concentration camps! How dare you compare those with the asylum centers that are available to those miscreants you are obsessed with. You should hang your head in shame and please step down as pope–you are a disgrace
Mickey says
Very well said. This Pope is shameful. He is a socialist and globalist. I’m not Catholic, but it doesn’t take a genius to know that he is pro-Islam and that should be grounds to remove him as the Pope of this Faith. Shame on the Catholics who stand behind this guy.
sparker says
He should stick to washing the feet of muslims. I am told he does an excellent job at that.
J Knight says
Or wash the feet of double amputees from the west’s military protecting Christendom?
Terry says
This is to J Knight and sparker
I have seen pictures of the pope washing the feet of Muslims.
NEVER of him washing the feet (or even saying nice things about) Western soldiers (double amputees, single amputees, wounded, or jsut surviviors) who have fought these animals knowns as Muslims
The RationalVoice says
Yes I tend to agree with this. The Germans achieved the Gold Standard in evilness during their Nazi period and the Pope should really engage his brain before comparing the refugee camps to the concentration camps. The UK taxpayer contributes more than anyone else to these camps including rich Islamic countries so he is insulting us as well !
The bloke claims he has a hot line to Big G Why didn’t he check it out with him first instead of talking this rubbish. Well you can’t expect rationality from the head of an irrational religion I suppose !!!!!
Carolyne says
Might be a good idea for the Catholic Church to sell some of the great works of art and treasures they possess to fund these “Concentration camps” which he deplores. The people of the West can no longer afford to house these terrorist parasites. In fact, the Pope is a parasite.
Jeanette says
As long as we are talking about art that the church actually paid for, or was given freely.
Nothing that it ended up with by default because of war should be sold, since it probably really belongs to someone else.
gravenimage says
Pope Francis calls refugee centers concentration camps
……………………
Good God, what calumny. Pope Francis is getting worse and worse.
TruthandJustice says
GravenImage, I don’t think Pope Francis is getting worse, he was bad to begin with. I get that Jesus taught us to be compassionate, but I didn’t know that Jesus wanted us all to get nailed to a cross along with him. In essence, this is what the current Popes message sounds like to me. He wants us all to commit suicide in the name of Christianity.
No wonder the Catholic church and Christianity are declining! I didn’t sign up for this nonsense, and I’m pretty sure my wee granny is rolling in her grave.
gravenimage says
Agreed, TruthandJustice.
John Thomas says
You’ve all forgotten the Pope, according to Roman Catholic doctrine is “infallible “!
gravenimage says
The Pope is only supposed to be “infallible” on doctrinal issues–not on everything.
Petrouchka Rising says
The pope is only considered infallible when speaking in an official capacity on doctrinal matters of faith and morals. It doesn’t apply to every utterance.
Carolyne says
No utterance of a human being, which I assume the Pope to be, is infallible. That is nonsense.
Mark Swan says
Exactly So Carolyne, thank you.
gravenimage says
Carolyne, I did not say that I personally agreed that the pope–or any individual–is infallible on any matter. I just clarified Catholic doctrine.
Wellington says
Gravenimage is completely correct, John Thomas. The Pope, according to Catholic doctrine, is only infallible when speaking “ex cathedra,” that is to say from the throne of Saint Peter on doctrinal matters.
The Pope is not infallible anywhere else. For instance, should he pick the wrong nation to win the next World Cup it would be of no account and not at all, in and of itself, demonstrating the error of the infallibility doctrine as formulated by Vatican Council I back in 1869-1870 when Pius IX was Pope. Most Catholics know this but it’s instructive how many non-Catholics get this wrong, especially those Protestants with an animus towards Catholicism accompanied ordinarily by very little knowledge of it.
Les says
Thank you Wellington!
Carolyne says
Sorry. The Pope is infallible nowhere.
Jeanette says
I agree with you, Carolyne, but it’s not likely that you will change the mind of those who have been raised Catholic, any more than we can change the minds of people who have been raised Muslim.
Wellington says
Carolyne, as you might know, I am not religious in the least, but assuming, for argument’s sake, that Roman Catholicism is the true faith, then why would God allow a Pope to err on doctrinal matters? Consider an alternative: Roman Catholicism is the true faith but God still allows the Pope to err on doctrine. Wouldn’t make any sense.
Reconsider. And make an effort to see it from the Catholic point of view, one I don’t personally accept to be sure but which point of view, assuming Catholicism is the true faith, makes perfect sense. Indeed, I would argue that Catholicism could not do otherwise.
P.S. Do not allow personal convictions to enter into an assessment here. Rather, look solely at the logic of it all.
Les says
Carolyn:
And on what theological authority do you state your opinion? Is it biased opinion or theological fact? Please tell we can’t wait.
Peggy says
I too agree. He is human and that makes him flawed.
As far as wondering why God would put up with the Pope making mistakes, the answer would be the same as why would God put up with any wrongdoing.
My guess he won’t but that will become obvious once you are standing in front of those gates hoping to get in.
no_one says
One of the reasons there is an Eastern Orthodox Church.
Jeanette says
They do not accept the infallibility of the pope?
gravenimage says
No–Eastern Orthodox Christians are not Catholics. Protestants are not, either.
Peggy says
Only Catholics accept the Pope.
Jerry B. says
Why doesn’t the Pope head of the Catholic Church whose vast real estate holdings the world over are obscene, create proper refugee centers using a teeny bit of their great wealth??
Terry says
Because the Catholic Church is GREEDY. They are paid millions ( been on JW a number of times) by (in the US-by the US government) to resettle refugees. And, I am sure, the same is true in Europe.
Dan King says
My thoughts too. And how many did he bring to live in the Vatican City.
Buford says
He is a Dumb Ass & I think evil, Demonic & should be kicked out of the Catholic Church Tarred Feathered & run out of Italy maybe a Muslim Country
John A. Marre says
The man is no longer fit to hold the chair of the successor of Peter.
tim gallagher says
I guess the Pope is saying refugee camps are terrible, so let the refugees into Europe, whether Muslim or Christian. What an ignoramus. This ignorant Pope does indeed seem to be urging Europe to commit civilizational suicide and saying it’s the Europeans Christian duty to do so. He obviously doesn’t have a clue about the evil nature of Islam. He needs to read some of Robert Spencer’s books. He’d be too lazy to do that I suspect. He is one of those Christians who just thinks that Christians need to turn the other cheek endlessly. It doesn’t work with violent Islam anymore than it worked in defeating Nazism. As Wellington and Leom said above, this Pope is a Latin American Marxist type who probably dislikes Europe, the old colonisers, and, with a big chip on his shoulder, wouldn’t mind seeing Europe trashed. I’m a Christian, not a very good one I suspect, but I take no notice of this Pope on the issue of Islam because he knows nothing about it. . A Christian such as Robert Spencer, who’s bothered to discover what Islam is about, is the type of Christian I listen to on the subject. To be soft on Islam, the way this Pope mostly seems to be, is to be complicit in evil. And he should bother to learn enough to know that this is the case.
Matthieu Baudin says
Pope Francis has a very rigid and lazy mind. God help us all.
Carolyne says
The Pope has nothing to do with God. He is a charlatan in a dress. If I actually believed in God or a Devil, I know which one he would represent.
Peter says
One shouldn’t expect anything different from a liberation theologist pope.
TH says
It seem that when he opens his mouth, he puts his foot in it.
Jeanette says
He opens his mouth – and shows his true colors.
sparker says
Wasn’t it another Pope, Pope Pius XII, that had no problem with Nazis’ or concentration camps?
Mary Fran says
You are totally wrong about Pope Pius XII!!!! He did everything he could to SAVE Jews. He was an ardent opponent of Hitler and the Nazis.
Terry says
Pius X11 gave diplomatic passports to such stalwarts of civilization as Eichmann, Mengele, etc. So that they could live out their lives in luxury in South America.
Except Eichmann got caught and was hanged. Mengele -as far as I know-unfortunately, died peacefully.
gravenimage says
No, it wasn’t. Pope Pius saved a large number of Jews:
“The Vatican & the Holocaust: 860,000 Lives Saved – The Truth About Pius XII & the Jews”
http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/860-000-lives-saved-the-truth-about-pius-xii-and-the-jews
joydbrower says
Oh-oh! Another inaccurate reference to/comparison with Hitler! Why isn’t the world up in arms and losing its collective mind?!? Oh, that’s right. Pope Francis is NOT Sean Spicer!
Carolyne says
Silly comment. When Liberals try to speak, it comes out gibberish.
Jeanette says
+1
gravenimage says
Carolyne and Jeanette, I think that is the point Joy is making.
duh swami says
I have no respect at all for clowns who dress in costume, and parade around issuing ‘holier than thou’ statements…
K Claassen says
6 million Jews were killed; Is that a “small issue” of the Nazis?
Charles T Lawson says
Every concentration needs a protective wall around its administration , IS THE WHAT THE VATICAN IS ?
Charles T Lawson says
Every concentration CAMP needs a protective wall around its administration , IS THE WHAT THE VATICAN IS ?
jewdog says
And the Vatican is a sort of moonbat Disney World.
The Vilest of All Creatures says
As a lapsed Catholic all I can say is, Cheers to the American Jewish Committee for calling out this clueless bastard.
Politicianphobia says
Oh Malik please ……………….”When we try to make Islam into a “theory” to be studied we remove the Devine method and Devine outlook from it’s character, and we reduce it to the level of a man-made system of thought, as if the Devine method were inferior to man’s methods, and as if we wanted to elevate the systems of thought and action ordained by God to the level of the system of His creatures! This point of view is dangerous, and this defeatism is ruinous. The function of this Devine system which is given to us–we, who are the callers of Islam– is to provide a certain style of thinking, purified from all those jahili styles and ways of thinking which are current in the world and which have poisoned our culture by depriving us of our own mind. If we try to change this religion in a way which is alien to its nature and which is borrowed from the ways of the predominant Jahiliyyah, we will deprive it of the function it has come to preform for humanity. We will deprive ourselves of the opportunity of getting rid of the yoke of the jahili ways current in our time, which dominate our minds. The aspect of the situation is full of danger, and the resulting loss will be disastrous.”
TruthandJustice says
Islam has poisoned the minds of it’s followers and left them clueless. Islam, by it’s very nature, is the definition of a cult. The ‘believers’ follow blindly and obey regardless of the outcomes. Fathers kill their daughters, sons kill their neighbours, women mutilate other women’s genitalia, and men subjugate their women while taking sex slaves as their partners. Any time I hear or see someone who supports Islam it immediately calls to mind the approximately 270 million people who have been slaughtered by these butchers over the past 1400 years.
My, what a divine religion Islam is…..
Cretius says
This pope is a useful idiot for the Islamists. What first hand knowledge does the pope have of the refugee camps? Has he condemned the persecution and slaughter of Christians and Yazidis at the hands of Muslims? How many refugees has the Vatican taken in? Talk is cheap especially when it is based in ignorance and denial of the real world.
Dan King says
How many Of these “refugees” has the pope invited in and took care of into the Vatican City state? Why has the catholic church not used some their billions of dollars to set up a safe place in the middle east for all these Poor defenceless male adult fighter age “refugees” that have swore to kill anyone that believes different from their chosen prophet muhammed? The same religion that calls for the murder of all christians and jews? I can understand why he will be the last pope.
Carolyne says
Since there was no “Reply” to click on when I was questioned about on what I based my opinion of the Pope, I will respond here. I am an Atheist. I do not believe that a God would permit any group or sect to be better than any other. We are all human and whatever a Pope might say is said as a human being, not a direct quote from a God because no such being exists.
So, if there is a God, Christians and as far as I know, all other people of any religion hope to be rewarded for their acts on earth after they die. Some think they will be punished in a place that can’t exist and rewarded in a heaven that can’t exist.
I understand that religion, especially Christianity, could be a comfort if one could believe it. I understand that there are people who do. However, I can’t understand how anyone could think that that silly little man who wears a dress and looks like Gomer Pyle could be God’s representative. Why would God need a representative. anyway? When one prays, why does a God expect to be begged to do the right thing? Wouldn’t one think that a God would do the right thing automatically regardless of a human begging him or her as the case may be? And then there are the long dead people who have been designated as having performed some sort of supernatural act while living and they have a special method of communicating to God, who would know all about it anyway. Nonsense.
I have studied a number of religions and I personally have come to the conclusion that a supreme being does not exist. It is impossible. That is my opinion. You are all welcome to your own, of course.
Evosse1314 says
No doubt you detest Scots who wear the kilt. Get over yout obsession with what you call dresses. You come across as an anti-RC bigot
Peggy says
I agree with Carolyne that God doesn’t need anyone to represent him here. Jesus was the only one who could.
How can any human represent God? This goes for all denominations of Christianity so please don’t call me an anti-RC bigot. If another denomination had an equivalent and claimed that he represented God I would find that hard to believe as well.
Also, how can a priest, reverend or any other church representative be able to heart our confession and absolve us from anything? It’s not as though anyone can receive instructions from God about what the punishment should be.
Cretius says
Kilts? Really. Stay on top and offer argument rather than opinion.
MIke S C says
And all you useful idiots still think he and his 5 “predecessors” were ever the popes and keep mistaking the Novus Ordo Seculorum Antiecclesia for the Catholic Church! LOL! The joke’s on y’all! April Fools, dumbasses!