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Robert Spencer, PJM: Florida Diocese Punishes Teacher Who Quoted Saint’s Critique of Islam

Apr 26, 2017 11:14 am By Robert Spencer

“[N]ot consistent with the teachings of the Catholic Church.” Hmm. My latest in PJ Media:

Last Wednesday, the Huffington Post reported:

[T]he Catholic diocese of Orlando, Florida, says it has reprimanded a teacher at a Catholic school in the state for giving his sixth-grade religion class an anti-Muslim reading assignment.

The Huffington Post expresses a negative view of the teacher, Mark Smythe of Blessed Trinity Catholic School in Ocala, who the article says gave students a handout that called Muhammad’s teachings “ridiculous, immoral and corrupting.” Smythe must have been passing on material from “Islamophobic” websites, no?

Actually, Smythe’s handout was entirely quoting the words of Catholic saint Giovanni Bosco. Nevertheless, Jacquelyn Flanigan — associate superintendent at the Diocese of Orlando — said this about the incident:

The information provided in the sixth grade class is not consistent with the teachings of the Catholic Church.

Flanagan didn’t explain how her statement comported with the author of the material having been a Catholic saint. If Bosco was spreading ideas that were “not consistent with the teachings of the Catholic Church,” how did he become a saint? Why didn’t his disrespectful, hateful teachings about Islam prevent his canonization?

Or have the “teachings of the Catholic Church” changed? Catholicism declares that only divinely revealed dogmas are immutable. If the Church’s teaching on Islam has changed, then we are discussing mere human opinion, on which there can be disagreement. Correct?

Let’s see. Flanigan had more to say:

[She] pointed to Nostra Aetate, an official Vatican document Pope Paul VI released on Oct. 28, 1965. It stated that the Catholic Church regards Muslims “with esteem” and urged Catholics to work with Muslims for peace and social justice.

Does the necessity to regard Muslims with esteem require that Catholics must not speak about the elements of Islam that are use to justify violence — including the rampant global persecution of Christians?

About Giovanni Bosco’s document, we are further told:

Muhammad is described as a “charlatan,” “villain,” “ignoramus,” “imposter” and “false prophet” who “couldn’t even write” and “propagated his religion, not through miracles or persuasive words, but by military force.” The Quran, the holy book of Islam, is also called “a series of errors, the most enormous ones being against morality and the worship of the true God.”

This is strong and pejorative language. Where did St. John Bosco get ideas that are so “inconsistent” with Catholic teaching?

The Huffington Post, of course, takes it for granted that Don Bosco’s claims are simply false and hateful. But is there actually a case to be made that Islam spread through force? Is there a case to be made that Islamic morality is decisively different from Christian morality?

Can there be any discussion of this at all, or is all dissent from the charge that St. John Bosco’s claims are false to be punished and silenced?

The Huffington Post also reports the following:

Jordan Denari Duffner,  a Catholic research fellow at Georgetown University’s Bridge Initiative who studies Islamophobia, said it’s not uncommon for people on some conservative websites to selectively cite centuries-old anti-Muslim texts written by Catholic scholars and saints.

Here, the Huffington Post doesn’t bother to report that the Bridge Initiative is a Saudi-funded project.

The Bridge Initiative attempts to stigmatize, and thus to silence, all critical speech about Islam, which would have the effect of enabling the global jihad to advance without a murmur of protest or resistance. The very word “Islamophobia” is a propaganda term designed to intimidate people into thinking it wrong to oppose jihad terror….

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  1. Bill says

    Apr 26, 2017 at 11:25 am

    Here it comes. When this one gets bounced up the chain of command, expect St. Bosco to be stripped of his sainthood, and all the rank, privileges and immunities associated with it, by Jorge Mario Bergoglio.

    Leftists pretty much control the rank and file of the Church and have for some time now. Under Bergoglio, they have full sway.

    • james.mich says

      Apr 26, 2017 at 10:00 pm

      Canonisation can’t be withdrawn. St John Bosco was canonised, which is an infallible declaration that he is (1) a Saint in Heaven; (2) worthy of imitation by the Faithful worldwide. Canonisation cannot be undone or reversed. It is not the toleration or permission of the veneration of someone, and it is not confined to a limited group of the Faithful – it is a positive encouragement, to every member of the Faithful, to venerate and honour the person canonised. He will never be “stripped of his Sainthood”. Because the Church can’t, and doesn’t, “create Saints” – all she does is recognise a holiness in someone’s life that God has created. She could sooner create the universe, than create a Saint. And the Saints will outlast the universe; because they are in Christ, and not on earth. The Church cannot abolish a holiness she did not create. So he is a Saint for all eternity.

    • Custos Custodum says

      Apr 27, 2017 at 1:45 am

      “Those who control the present, control the past and those who control the past control the future.” – George Orwell, “1984”

    • DrSique says

      Apr 27, 2017 at 11:56 am

      As a man who was named after St. Christopher, I can say that it is impossible to live up to the massive expectations placed on some, at birth. As a matter of fact, I may be solely responsible for the Catholic Church reconsidering his status as a Saint. I have, however, been saying for years that the teachings of Mohammed and those of Jesus are diametrically opposed. In my humble opinion this makes Mohammed the anti-Christ and Islam anti-Christianity. While so many involved in Christianity are waiting and watching for the coming of the “evil one”, he was actually here in the sixth century and set the wheels of darkness in motion then.

    • Jeanette says

      Apr 28, 2017 at 10:40 pm

      Catholics don’t have to stay. So far, the Catholic Church doesn’t have a death penalty for leaving.

      Of course, if the Catholic Church continues to put Islam on a pedestal, the natural progression would likely be that it would someday have a death penalty for leaving, just as its Preferred People, the Muslims, do.

  2. mortimer says

    Apr 26, 2017 at 11:27 am

    WHAT???

    It’s now heresy for a Catholic teacher to quote a well-known and well-loved Catholic saint in a Catholic school.

    Are these people at the Diocese of Orlando INSANE?

    All of the claims of St. John Bosco can be defended in an inquiry. There should be one. Robert Spencer should be called as an expert witness to bring IRREFUTABLE PROOF that John Bosco was CORRECT in his claims concerning Islamic doctrines of warfare against disbelievers.

    • gravenimage says

      Apr 26, 2017 at 7:59 pm

      Yes–everything he said was correct.

  3. Diane Harvey says

    Apr 26, 2017 at 11:46 am

    In describing the climate which today envelopes the RCC, lemme quote someone even older than Bosco, this person an actual Church father, St. Anthony the Great (251 to 356?),

    “A time is coming when men will go mad, and when they see someone who is not mad, they will attack him saying, ‘You are mad, you are not like us’.”

    Does that not describe this situation in Florida, or this pope’s understanding of Islam?

    • afrostreetwise says

      Apr 26, 2017 at 1:22 pm

      I love this quote and please note I intend to use it freely.

    • Jeanette says

      Apr 28, 2017 at 10:42 pm

      Yes, it does sound like our current times.

      So does the line in Revelation that good will be said to be evil, and evil will be upheld as good.

  4. Ellie says

    Apr 26, 2017 at 11:53 am

    My mother grew up in the Catholic Chruch and attended Catholic schools at a time when they were very exclusive of every other faith. She was taught that only Catholics had a chance of obtaining heaven. (No salvation through faith in Jesus Christ) Her protestant friends were doomed. I don’t know if the protestants are still doomed but Muslims have sure become protected by the church of Rome. Sadly, most denominational churches are doing the same kind of trampling of truth. No wonder mega churches are still growing! The denominational churches are apostates!

  5. Pal says

    Apr 26, 2017 at 12:14 pm

    Pentagon needs a LONG lesson – BY ROBERT SPENCER – on Anti terror, Threat assesment, Jihad specifics and more.
    http://www.frontpagemag.com/fpm/266509/pc-pentagon-caves-cair-agrees-review-anti-terror-paul-sperry
    https://www.understandingthethreat.com/threat-assessment-in-the-domestic-war/

    • Jeanette says

      Apr 28, 2017 at 10:44 pm

      I don’t believe that these people are ignorant about Islam. Whatever we know, they know – they have far more sophisticated intelligence sources than we have.

      So whatever they are doing to help Islam and damage western civilization is intentional.

      They won’t be taught or advised; they already know.

  6. Voytek Gagalka says

    Apr 26, 2017 at 12:16 pm

    Wait till any reference to Son of God and Holy Trinity will be purged from teaching books of the RCC by the decree (encyclical) of Obama the Pope (a.k.a. Jorge Bergoglio) because it might “offend” sensitivity of Mohammedans.

    • james.mich says

      Apr 26, 2017 at 9:41 pm

      There is no way that could happen. Popes have no authority to unsay dogmas.

      • Charles says

        Apr 26, 2017 at 11:12 pm

        Exactly.
        So pray for this Holy Father. Pray that his approach brings the woeful misguided who follow Islam to a a different approach of charity and love.

        In the mean-time, st. John Bosco isn’t the only one.
        Here’s a lovely summary:
        http://www.onepeterfive.com/what-did-the-saints-say-about-islam/

        I hope those in that woeful diocese read this and stop being afraid of the elephant in the room.

        Jesus taught that we should love our neighbors and our enemies and pray for their conversion to truth
        Once muslims start seeing and hearing, Islam becomes very uncomfortable.
        (Why does an all-power god need me to kill someone else? Hmm….)

        • Jeanette says

          Apr 28, 2017 at 10:48 pm

          “… brings the woeful misguided who follow Islam to a a different approach of charity and love.”

          He would have to change 1.7 billion people into totally different people than they are now.

          Muslims, like liberals, do not value the truth or anything that disagrees with what they already believe.

          It’s a very safe bet that this pope is not going to convert 1.7 billion Muslims to something other than Islam.

      • Custos Custodum says

        Apr 27, 2017 at 1:48 am

        There is no way that could happen.

        Watch.

  7. Benedict says

    Apr 26, 2017 at 12:38 pm

    Anyhow: I don’t understand why Muslims would pursue the respect of apes and pigs and their progeny and generally speaking of despicable infidels? Isn’t there a contradiction in terms here? Can anyone explain?

    • gravenimage says

      Apr 26, 2017 at 8:07 pm

      Benedict, Muslims don’t want to be respected in the sense that they want people they esteem to hold them in high regard; they mean “respect” in the sense of fear.

      They don’t want to allow us to say anything critical of Islam. If we are allowed to speak freely, it may well lead to our defending ourselves.

      Dhimmi fools like these idiots punishing this teacher don’t understand any of this–they just think Muslims are “sensitive” to any criticism, and are trying to protect them from it–even at the cost of censoring their teachers and saints.

      • james.mich says

        Apr 26, 2017 at 9:39 pm

        They want:

        1. to be top dog;

        2. to be recognised as being top dog.

        It’s a shame they don’t like dogs.

        • Jeanette says

          Apr 28, 2017 at 10:51 pm

          They do like one breed of dogs – Salukis, the dogs of the bedouins.

          The dogs of everyone else (of course) are “spiritually unclean.”

  8. Stan Lee says

    Apr 26, 2017 at 1:00 pm

    Mark Smythe, teacher, should be commended for his truthfulness! It would be a blessing if the present Pope retired and took his place in the Communist Party.
    I’m not going “into the weeds” about this, but IMHO Pope Francis’ self-acquired doctrine is mixed with Marxism and he has caused many Catholics into a negative decision about his authenticity.

    The first rule that any non-Muslim must decide is not to appease Muslims or Islam in general, because that is what Islam seeks at the cost of trivializing Christendom. It is unlike anything we, in the dominantly Christian west-world, have learned about life. What is taking place in the Vatican of today would give Karl Marx and those known to follow Marxist dogma a great feeling of accomplishment.

    Marxism has succeeded in penetrating the thought processes of the present Pope. He is an intelligent man, therefore what he believes and attempts to reflect must be of his own free will.Those of us who disagree with Communism, Socialism, or appeasement to such ideologies need to persevere and cherish the memories of Pope John Paul..Francis’ position will not be forever.

    • Custos Custodum says

      Apr 27, 2017 at 1:51 am

      Pope Francis’ self-acquired doctrine is mixed with Marxism

      Quite untrue. Francis’/Bergoglio’s Marxist faith is pure and unadulterated, not “mixed” with Christianity or any other anti-Marxist heresy.

    • Jeanette says

      Apr 28, 2017 at 10:53 pm

      Those who elected him knew what he was, and elected him anyway.

      That says a lot about what the leaders of the Catholic Church intend for the members of that church.

  9. Tom S. says

    Apr 26, 2017 at 1:32 pm

    I’m so proud of (the majority of) poster at Jihad watch.

    • gravenimage says

      Apr 26, 2017 at 8:15 pm

      I very much agree, Tom–over all, a very erudite and knowledgeable group. I am proud to stand with you all.

  10. Dum Spiro says

    Apr 26, 2017 at 1:38 pm

    There are more saints with more to say — saints closer in both time and proximity to the beginnings of Islam than we. Here’s one:

    St. John of Damascus on Islam
    http://www.bombaxo.com/blog/st-john-of-damascus-on-islam/

    All those saints can’t be wrong…
    — Spero

    • Pal says

      Apr 26, 2017 at 6:38 pm

      Dum Spiro,
      Thank you for the link. -:)
      BTW, both St. John of Damascus and St. Sophronius, the Patriarch of Jerusalem, don’t speak of Islam as an Abrahamic religion. John mentions Islam as a heresy to the Christianity; Sophronius speaks of a new, devastating invasion of an evil force.
      https://archive.org/details/SeeingIslamAsOthersSawItASurveyAndEvaluationOfChristianJewishAndZoroastrianWritingsOnEarlyIslam

    • gravenimage says

      Apr 26, 2017 at 8:18 pm

      Thanks for the link, Dum Spiro.

    • james.mich says

      Apr 26, 2017 at 9:34 pm

      St John of Damascus is a Father and a Doctor of the Church, and a leading champion of the cult of the icons. Surely he was well-qualified to judge Islam. Well posted. He carries much more weight than any modern ecumenist.

  11. DFD says

    Apr 26, 2017 at 2:22 pm

    News from Theresa Land
    ===================.

    Herewith a copy of an article from a recent email from “The Christian Institute”…………………………..

    Dear supporter,

    The Government is proposing to send Ofsted into church youth groups looking for signs of ‘extremism’. An Education Minister recently confirmed the intention to go ahead with this state registration scheme.

    With Parliament about to be dissolved before the General Election, please ask your MP to oppose the plans for Ofsted to inspect churches. Their views will be influential as the party manifestos are being formulated.

    MPs have only a couple of days left in Parliament and election campaigning is well underway – so now is the time to act.

    Email Mr John Woodcock MP
    john.woodcock.mp@parliament.uk

    Ofsted is very secular

    This issue is causing great alarm to Christians. It involves the state registration of churches, something we have not seen for centuries. If any young person attends a total of six hours of activities in any one week in the year, it will be a criminal offence for a church not to register under the proposals.

    Under the scheme, Ofsted would have power to close down groups which fail to comply with ‘British values’ or have “undesirable teaching”. The problem is that Ofsted inspectors can have a very secular outlook. You only have to look at their hostile inspections of Jewish and Christian schools in recent years. {{Insert by me: Note and compare when Sharia-May became minister for the Home-Office (for you non-English: Ministry of the Interior) Personal comment: If she will be Trump’s Maggie, Darth Vader will be head of the Salvation Air Force…}}

    Most churches with youth work will breach the six-hour threshold. Holiday Bible clubs or summer camps would easily trigger it, and even Sunday Schools where other church activities attended by a young person in one week add up to more than six hours. See our website for more information.

    Any voluntary group which teaches children for more than six hours in any week will have to register with the state. The Government’s aim is to target radicalisation in madrassas, but, because of political correctness, churches and all other voluntary groups are also being brought under the scheme.

    {{Additional comment by me: For the madrassas there are or seem to be lots of exceptions, apart from the little fact that the inspectors will have to speak Urdu, Gudjerat etc. …}}

    See also http://www.christian.org.uk/issue/extremism/ofsted-inspections-of-churches/

    • gravenimage says

      Apr 26, 2017 at 8:27 pm

      Very disturbing. Will the British government put that kind of spotlight on Madrasses, which *really do* preach hate? I would not count on it…

  12. Jack Diamond says

    Apr 26, 2017 at 4:09 pm

    Not consistent with the teachings of the Catholic Church? Then neither is St. Thomas Aquinas and other church fathers who understood Islam very well. As did Pope Urban, who launched the Crusades. As did Pope Pius V, who organized the Catholic League to defeat the Muslims at Lepanto. As did Pope Innocent XI who helped organize the battle at Vienna that defeated the Muslims 9/11/1683.

    Vatican II was a non-binding council, opinion not dogma. Those opinions are hardly more valid than those of the earlier church saints:

    St. Thomas Aquinas–
    “(Muhammad) He seduced the people by promises of carnal pleasure to which the concupiscence of the flesh goads us. His teaching also contained precepts that were in conformity with his promises, and he gave free rein to carnal pleasure. In all this, as is not unexpected, he was obeyed by carnal men. As for proofs of the truth of his doctrine, he brought forward only such as could be grasped by the natural ability of anyone with a very modest wisdom. Indeed, the truths that he taught he mingled with many fables and with doctrines of the greatest falsity. He did not bring forth any signs produced in a supernatural way, which alone fittingly gives witness to divine inspiration; for a visible action that can be only divine reveals an invisibly inspired teacher of truth. On the contrary, Muhammad said that he was sent in the power of his arms—which are signs not lacking even to robbers and tyrants.

    “Those who believed in him were brutal men and desert wanderers, utterly ignorant of all divine teaching, through whose numbers Muhammad forced others to become his followers by the violence of his arms. Nor do divine pronouncements on the part of preceding prophets offer him any witness. On the contrary, he perverts almost all the testimonies of the Old and New Testaments by making them into fabrications of his own, as can be. seen by anyone who examines his law. It was, therefore, a shrewd decision on his part to forbid his followers to read the Old and New Testaments, lest these books convict him of falsity. It is thus clear that those who place any faith in his words believe foolishly.”

    St John of Damascus:
    “As we have said, this Mamed composed many foolish sayings, and he laid upon each of them a title, like the writing “The Women,” in which also he plainly legislates (for a man) to take four wives and one thousand concubines if he is able, however many he might put under his hand, aside from the four wives. And he legislated to divorce whichever one he wishes, or if he wishes, also to take care of another, for this very reason: Mamed had a companion named Zeïd. This one had a beautiful wife, whom Mamed loved. Therefore, when they were sitting together, Mamed said, “Oh, by the way, God has ordered me to take your wife.” And he answered, “You are the Apostle; do as God has said to you. Take my wife.” Or rather, so we might tell it from the beginning, he said to him, “God has ordered me, that you divorce your wife” And he divorced. And after several days, he says, “But God has ordered that I will also take her.” Then he took (her) and committed adultery with her (and) made this law: “He who wills may divorce his wife, but if after divorcing, he would return to her, another must marry her; for it is not allowed to take (her back) if she has not been married by another. And even if a brother divorces, let his brother marry her, if he is willing.” And in the same writing, he transmits this message: “Plough the land which God has given to you, and beautify it” and do this, and in this way—so I might not say all the obscene things as he did.

    “Should it not be obvious by now that Muhammad and his Qu’ran and his Allah are not of the True God but of Satan? Should it not be obvious by now that this satanic invention has ruined many souls to hell and also continues to harm the world deceiving others into believing that it is of Heavenly origin? Our Lord Jesus Christ warned very clearly: “Ye shall know them by their fruits” (Matthew 7:16) regarding such heresiarchs and all the false religions founded by such.”

    St. Gregory Palamas:
    debating a Turkish nobleman: “It is true that Muhammad started from the east and came to the west, as the sun travels from east to west. Nevertheless he came with war, knives, pillaging, forced enslavement, murders, and acts that are not from the good God but instigated by the chief manslayer, the devil. Consider now, in times past, did not Alexander (the Great) prove victorious from the West to the East? There have also been many others, in many other times, who set out on military campaigns and dominated the world. Yet none of the peoples believed in their leaders as you revere Muhammad. Though Muhammad may employ violence and offer pleasures, he cannot secure the approval of the world. Albeit, the teaching of Christ, though it turns away from (worldly) pleasures, it has taken hold to the ends of the world, without violence, since it is opposed to it. This phenomenon is the victory that overcomes the world. [I John 5:4]”

    “they live a reproachful, inhuman, and God-hating life ….to live a prodigal life in swords and knives, indulging in slavery, murder, plundering, rape, licentiousness, adultery and homosexuality.”

    Of course I “selectively cite centuries-old anti-Muslim texts” that can’t possibly have relevance to today…

    • gravenimage says

      Apr 26, 2017 at 8:30 pm

      All salient quotes. Thank you.

  13. livingengine says

    Apr 26, 2017 at 4:47 pm

    Just for the record, here is the Bridge Initiative team. With names like this, it has to be bad.
    John L. Esposito
    Project Director
    member-image

    Engy Abdelkader, JD, LL.M.
    Senior Fellow (Faculty) & Adjunct Professor
    member-image

    Nazir Harb Michel, Ph.D.
    Post-doctoral Senior Research Fellow
    member-image

    Jordan Denari Duffner
    Research Fellow
    member-image

    Kristin Garrity Şekerci
    Research Fellow
    member-image

    Ahmed Rehab
    Senior Consultant

    Board of Advisors

    Chris Allen, University of Birmingham
    Laith Al-Saud, DePaul University
    Karen Armstrong, best-selling author & founder of Charter of Compassion
    Jocelyne Cesari, Georgetown University
    Susan Douglass, Georgetown University
    Juan Cole, University of Michigan
    Peter Gottschalk, Wesleyan University
    Farid Hafez, Salzburg University
    Nancy Hollander, criminal defense attorney, Freedman Boyd Hollander
    Sherman Jackson, University of Southern California
    Marjorie Dove Kent, Executive Director, Jews for Racial and Economic Justice
    Naomi Klein, author, activist, and filmmaker
    Deepa Kumar, Rutgers University
    Ingrid Mattson, University of Western Ontario
    Cardinal Theodore McCarrick, Archbishop Emeritus, Washington, D.C.
    Anne Norton, University of Pennsylvania
    Robert Pape, University of Chicago
    Eboo Patel, Founder, Interfaith Youth Core
    Ambassador Ebrahim Rasool, Georgetown University
    Omid Safi, Duke University
    Jim Wallis, Founder and President, Sojourners
    Baroness Sayeeda Warsi, Senior Minister of State for Foreign & Commonwealth Affairs, 2012-2014

    Steering Committee

    Scott Alexander, Catholic Theological Union
    Jonathan Brown, Georgetown University
    Yvonne Haddad, Georgetown University
    Dalia Mogahed, Institute for Social Policy & Understanding
    Haroon Moghul, Institute for Social Policy & Understanding
    Tamara Sonn, Georgetown University
    John Voll, Georgetown University
    http://bridge.georgetown.edu/team/

    • gravenimage says

      Apr 26, 2017 at 8:38 pm

      The “Bridge Initiative” is run by Georgetown University’s “Prince Alwaleed bin Talal Center for Muslim-Christian Understanding”–remember, Saudi Arabia is s place where Christians are not even allowed to bring in a Bible or a cross.

      They are committed to stamping out any criticism of Islam.

      • Jeanette says

        Apr 28, 2017 at 10:58 pm

        They may have changed the rules, but when I was in SA, we were allowed to have Bibles and crosses, but not allowed to display them or speak about anything Christian in the presence of Muslims.

        The punishment was quite severe, and more than one American ARAMCO employee was flown out of the country by the company to get them out of SA’s reach.

    • Custos Custodum says

      Apr 27, 2017 at 1:58 am

      “Laith Al-Saud, DePaul University”

      Thank G-d for an honest Muslim amidst this crowd of traitors, frauds and hypocrites.

  14. Monty says

    Apr 26, 2017 at 7:17 pm

    “Now we request you, brethren, with regard to the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our gathering together to Him, that you not be quickly shaken from your composure or be disturbed either by a spirit or a message or a letter as if from us, to the effect that the day of the Lord has come. Let no one in any way deceive you, for it will not come unless the apostasy comes first, and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the son of destruction, who opposes and exalts himself above every so-called god or object of worship, so that he takes his seat in the temple of God, displaying himself as being God. Do you not remember that while I was still with you, I was telling you these things? And you know what restrains him now, so that in his time he will be revealed. For the mystery of lawlessness is already at work; only he who now restrains will do so until he is taken out of the way. Then that lawless one will be revealed whom the Lord will slay with the breath of His mouth and bring to an end by the appearance of His coming; that is, the one whose coming is in accord with the activity of Satan, with all power and signs and false wonders, and with all the deception of wickedness for those who perish, because they did not receive the love of the truth so as to be saved. For this reason God will send upon them a deluding influence so that they will believe what is false, in order that they all may be judged who did not believe the truth, but took pleasure in wickedness.” Written nearly 2000 years ago. Even more relevant today.

  15. gravenimage says

    Apr 26, 2017 at 7:57 pm

    Robert Spencer, PJM: Florida Diocese Punishes Teacher Who Quoted Saint’s Critique of Islam
    ………………….

    Yes–disgusting dhimmitude.

  16. james.mich says

    Apr 26, 2017 at 9:24 pm

    St Thomas Aquinas is far from flattering about Islam and its founder: https://www.thecatholicthing.org/2012/01/28/aquinas-on-islam/

    And many more Saints could be added. St John Capistrano died on Crusade against Islam in 1456. So did St Louis IX in 1270. St Pius V played a leading part in organising the Christian alliance that won the Second Battle of Lepanto in 1570. Pius II was trying to organise a Crusade against them when he died in 1464. Blessed Urban II called the First Crusade in 1095.

    The Church is not pro-Mohammed, or Islam-affirming, nor can she be. She has shown again and again what she thinks of that false prophet and that anti-Christian death cult. Dante was thinking in a thoroughly Catholic way, when he gave both Mohammed and Ali places in Hell, among the Sowers of Discord (not surprisingly, there have been calls for the Inferno to be taken out of schools).

    Catholic pimping for Islam is disgusting – and “pimping”, is precisely the word. It reminds me of nothing so much as of the bastard cult of “Tashlan” in The Last Battle. “Chrallah” is not the God of Christians.

  17. Jack Holan says

    Apr 27, 2017 at 12:33 am

    The “Bridge Initiative” is just one more form of Jihad. There is the UN Rule put forth by the OIC to restrict blasphemous speech Worldwide against Islam, there is the new Canadian Laws restricting Speech, Merkels attempt to Influence Speech in Germany but meanwhile the very People of one faith claiming verbal persecution burn Churces to the ground, sometimes with Parisioners inside, target People of the Book (Jews and Chritians) for a war of propaganda and call for. Either conversion, subjugation with a tax or execution, they commit these acts in Countries where they are a majority and in those Countries where they are still a minority they preach it in the Mosque, and slowly and by stealth try to bring it into the culture.

  18. R Cole says

    Apr 27, 2017 at 12:34 am

    Yeah, Huffington Post is now Huffpo or Huffpost??

    Huffpo can’t be bothered with these facts. Their only concern is what and is not racism, and they appear to have an allergy to the truth, in this regard.

    I think it’s important, to be the other voice. Just to let those teachers know, they’re okay.

    Look at the lesson plans for other kids under Common Core, for ex, kids are taught that Muslims care more deeply about their religion, than say Christians do about their’s. That Islam was spread peacefully. This and other madrassa-like indoctrination tucked away in ‘world history’ books.

    The sharp language of the teachers’ instruction, as it is described by Huffpo, was perhaps being done with a sense of emergency. Here the focus is on tone, but how about content.

    Compared to what Muslims kids would be learning here in the west, in Islamic schools, often after school programs, where under the Saudi school syllabus Muslim children are instructed on things like, how to correctly amputate a hand, or taught that non-Muslims should be made to walk around them in the streets, or that non-Muslims should not be greeted with the traditional Islamic greeting because, as these Dutch children were told non-Muslims ‘will never know peace.’

    ::

    Islam reminds me of the cuckoo bird that is laid in another bird’s nest. And the adopted parent ends up furiously working to feed it. While at the same time the cuckoo bird, shoves the other baby birds out of the nest, the ones who are rightfully supposed to be in the nest, are pushed to their deaths, leaving one single ever demanding hungry bird. Who grows up to repeat the process – laying an egg in another nest.

    That the Muslim department at George Town University, would seek to slight the Catholics, shows they’re not about peace or inclusiveness. And that the Huffington Post would assume put the word of entrist Islamists over the Catholic Church which we all know, is treacherous.

    The Left think, if they are really nice, that this Islam would not come after them, too. Remember the Leftists of the Iranian revolution? No, because they were summarily executed for not practicing Islam well enough, once the Mullahs had taken control [footnote: with the Lefties help.]

    • Jack Holan says

      Apr 27, 2017 at 7:40 am

      On Target

    • Jeanette says

      Apr 28, 2017 at 11:04 pm

      The old “ALLAHgator won’t eat us” philosophy. Are the in for a hideous surprise.

  19. Charles R.L. Power says

    Apr 27, 2017 at 4:21 am

    The criticisms of Islam may be valid, but the principle that a saint’s words are above criticism is dangerous. See St. John Chrysostom’s homilies against the Jews. I would becareful exposing these to young students without explaining that saints can be bigoted jackasses.

    • Robert Spencer says

      Apr 27, 2017 at 10:20 am

      No one is saying that a saint’s words are above criticism, and I discussed St. John Chrysostom’s statements against the Jews at length in my book Religion of Peace?. The point here is not that saints are beyond criticism; the point here is that Don Bosco’s words are either contrary to Catholic teaching or not incompatible with it. By claiming that they’re incompatible with Catholic teaching, the Florida diocese is placing many popes and saints outside the realm of what is acceptable, and elevating the current opinion about Islam to the status of a dogma.

      • Jeanette says

        Apr 28, 2017 at 11:05 pm

        A very serious matter!

        And I’m not Catholic.

  20. Joe says

    Apr 27, 2017 at 6:04 am

    Bishop John Noonan is supposed to reprimand Jacquelyn Flanigan in this case for heresy. Flanigan is supposed to issue a public statement of her error. Now we will see if Bishop Noonan knows his Catechism. I’m guessing that he doesn’t.

  21. Jack Holan says

    Apr 27, 2017 at 7:54 am

    Notice how the PhD Expert from Georgetown begins his defense of Islam. He name calls critics of Islam and tries to undermine their creditability. ‘Those Right Wing, talk-show hosts selectively hand-picking ancient texts to support their position’, yes I thought this is called basic historical research Mr Georgetown; not argue from a soap box and make it up as you go Teqyya!

  22. Mississippi Girl says

    Apr 27, 2017 at 12:01 pm

    Public censure is a canonical issue. Mark Smythe must first appeal to the bishop and then, if the resolution is unsatisfactory, Mr. Smythe is advised to contact the St. Joseph Foundation. Their canon lawyers can take this all the way to Rome.

  23. Lydia says

    Apr 28, 2017 at 12:32 am

    And one day the TRUE God will punish them for punishing her for doing what is right!

  24. Timothy Zak says

    Apr 29, 2017 at 7:26 am

    “cite centuries-old” Oh shut you festering gob you tit. Bashing religious writings because they’re old? I hardly think he’ll fare well when his work is already transparently idiotic.

  25. Lionel Andrades says

    May 6, 2017 at 6:25 am

    May 6, 2017

    If the administration of the Orlando school interprets magisterial documents with Cushingism they should clarify it : deception should not be made obligatory for all Catholics

    Catholic Teacher May Lose Job for Saints’ Writings Critical of IslamMark Smythe, the sixth-grade religion and social studies teacher at Blessed Trinity Catholic School in the Orlando diocese,Florida,USA must ask the school to clarify their position on Islam .Do they accept magisterial documents of the Catholic Church interpreted with a rational theology? Otherwise it is unethical for the school to call itself Catholic.It is the Holy Spirit who gudies the Church and decides what are our beliefs – not Satan and the Left.
    MUSLIMS ARE ORIENTED TO HELL ACCORDING TO VATICAN COUNCIL II
    According to Vatican Council II ‘ all’ need ‘faith and baptism’ for ‘salvation’.Muslims do not have it. So they are oriented to the fires of Hell, unless they convert into the Church as members.They need Catholic faith, which includes the Sacraments and the faith and moral teachings of the Church.Mohammad did not have it.So according to Vatican Council II he is lost forever.The ordinary means of salvation is ‘faith and baptism’.Mark Smythe could ask the Blessed Trinity Catholic School to affirm this as Catholics.
    VATICAN COUNCIL II IS IN HARMONY WITH THE DOGMA EXTRA ECCLESIAM NULLA SALUS
    Vatican Council II(Ad Gentes 7, Lumen Gentium 14) is in harmony with the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS) defined by three Church Councils.So the Council is also in harmony with the popes and saints on Islamism, including St. John Bosco.Vatican Council II is not a rupture with the dogma EENS as it was known to the 16th century missionaries.Mark Smythe could ask the administrator of the school to recognise this officially or not call themself Catholic.According to the Catechism of the Catholic Church(1257) the Church knows of no means to eternal beatitude other than the baptism of water. The Catechism tells us all Muslims are going to Hell,where Mohammad precedes them. Since they are not members of the Catholic Church.
    God the Father wants all people to be united into the Catholic Church. The Church is the only Ark of Noah that saves in the Flood(CCC 845).The Church does not know any one in 2017 who will be saved, or is saved,because ‘God is not limited to the Sacraments'( CCC 1257). The Church does not know and cannot know anyone in 2017 saved without the baptism of water and instead with the baptism of desire,blood, invincible ignorance or a good conscience.
    THE ORDINARY MEANS OF SALVATION IS FAITH AND BAPTISM MUSLIMS ON THE WAY TO HELL
    The ordinary means of salvation is faith and baptism and all the Muslims in Orlando, Florida and the rest of America, do not have it. So they are on the way to the fires of Hell for all eternity.
    This is the official teaching of the Catholic Church according to the Catechism of the Catholic Church, Vatican Council II and the dogma EENS.All Catholics are obligated to interpret them rationally, according to Tradition and in accord with a magisterium ( teaching authority) not politically motivated by the Left and Satan.One is not a Catholic if the teachings of the Holy Spirit are changed to please liberal rabbis who also support pro-Satanic values which lead to Hell e.g sodomy, abortion, immodesty in clothes, vulgarity in the media, political hate directed against traditional and conservative Catholics with leftist laws etc).
    CATHOLIC SCHOOL USES IRRATIONAL THEOLOGY : DECEPTION
    The Blessed Trinity Catholic School in Florida must clarify which theology( Feeneyism or Cushingism) they use to interpret magisterial documents.This would clarify their position on Islamism, as Catholics.
    It would be un-ethical to use an irrational theology like Cushingism.It assumes invisible cases of unknown people, saved without the baptism of water in the Catholic Church, are visible exceptions to all needing to be members of the Church.So all non Catholics do not need to convert it is inferred.This is deception.
    SCHOOL CONTRADICTS THE PRINCIPLE OF NON CONTRADICTION
    It is a theology based on an obvious falsehood.It also contradicts the Principle of Non Contradiction.How can someone in Heaven be an exception on earth? How can someone in the past ( allegedly St.Emerentiana, St.Victor etc) be an exception to EENS in 2017? Who could have seen them in Heaven? How can any of us know someone in 2017 who will be saved without faith and baptism in the Catholic Church? Since an unknown and invisible person in Heaven cannot be a personally known exception on earth in 2017 to EENS. He cannot be an exception to all non Catholics needing to convert into the Catholic Church with no exception.So if the Orlando school uses this theology it would be un-ethical and dishonest.Catholic parents would not consider it being Catholic.
    MANAGEMENT OF SCHOOL CUSHINGITE
    The management of the school would be un-ethical and dishonest after being informed.Cushingism is a false theology in the Catholic Church.It is an innovation which has come into the Church with the Letter of the Holy Office 1949 to the Archbishop of Boston.It is a false reasoning, a philosophical error.Now even Vatican Council II can be interpreted with Feeneyism or Cushingism.It depends on the premise chosen.If the management at the Orlando school interprets magisterial documents with the false premise; with Cushingism,they should clarify it.This theology should not be obligatory for all Catholics.It is dishonesty even though the use of this theology is common today.
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    Mark Smythe could ask his lawyer to clarify the school’s position on Islam.Is it according to Vatican Council II, the dogma EENS and the Catechism of the Catholic Church (1995) interpreted with a rational( Feeneyite) or irrational( Cushingite) theology?
    NOSTRA AETATE DOES NOT CONTRADICT EXTRA ECCLESIAM NULLA SALUS
    There is nothing in Nostra Aetate to contradict the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus, unless of course, one is using Cushingism.There could be good and holy things in other religions, but the other religions are not paths to salvation. This was also St.John Bosco’s message.
    -Lionel Andrades

    May 4, 2017
    Mark Smythe may not know : with Feeneyite Vatican Council II,extra ecclesiam nulla salus all Muslims, Jews are on the way to Hell with no known exceptions in 2017 : Blessed Trinity Catholic School issue
    http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2017/05/mark-smythe-may-not-know-that-with.html

    http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2017/05/if-administration-of-orlando-school.html
    https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/catholic-teacher-under-fire-for-passing-out-saints-criticism-of-islam

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