The contents of the messages have not been released, so we have no idea if this fired police officer was really disparaging Muslims or just speaking about jihad terror in a way that Leftists and Islamic supremacists routinely deride as “anti-Muslim.” In any case, note that the text messages were private. Now in San Francisco thoughtcrime is a firing offense. To be a police officer, one must hold the correct opinions. Freedom of speech? Pah! Don’t bother San Francisco with the relics of a bygone age.
“SFPD officer fired for anti-Muslim text message is example of department’s ‘zero-tolerance’ policy,” by Jonah Owen Lamb, San Francisco Examiner, April 3, 2017:
A San Francisco police officer who allegedly texted anti-Muslim messages to other officers was fired last month by the San Francisco Police Commission at the recommendation of Chief William Scott, the San Francisco Examiner has learned.
The revelation comes during a time of reforms that, in part, sprang out of a series of biased policing scandals, including two instances in which groups of officers got caught sending racist or bigoted text messages.
The first and most scandalous text messages were sent or received by a group of officers in 2011 and 2012, but were not revealed until several years later in a federal police corruption trial in 2015. The second incident emerged in 2016 and involved officers in the Sunset District sending messages to one another.
In this latest case, the officer sent the message or messages on a private phone sometime between 2014 and 2015, according to sources with knowledge of the incident but who did not want their names published….
In the latest case, the officer allegedly attempted to right his wrong by volunteering at an Islamic center and educate himself about the faith he had allegedly disparaged, according to a lawyer close to the case….
But Tony Brass, who represented Liu and has represented officers for the POA in the past, said the text messages were sent from one private phone to another. He also noted the officer’s effort to educate himself about Islam.
But none of that seemed to please the police chief, said Brass.
“It seems like it’s a zero-tolerance situation now,” said Brass. “This case seems to stand for the proposition that once the Police Department has concluded that you expressed some biased view there’s no fixing it … you’re just done.”
mccode says
And who is browsing the private text messages? Wouldn’t that be breach of privacy? Illegally obtained evidence is not admissible in a court of law.
Oh, wait…….this occurred in SF…….
gravenimage says
Good point, McCode.
Keys says
Well, that happened during the Obama administration. No doubt they were looking for critics of Islam. “The future must not belong to those who slander the prophet of Islam.” They got in to Merkel’s phone. Make an example and put a chill on Islamophobe cops.
Not far fetched in my opinion.
epistemology says
Hopefully all this will change under the Trump administration. Obama is a secret muzzie who supports Islamic violence in t the country of his ancestors Kenya. But his times are gone.
All over Western countries muzzies have their allies, their apologists these are our opponents and we’ve got to fight against them by all means.
Brian Hoff says
trump is finding it hard to change polcy. trump is than loser. tru.p said he would end ACA health care start under the last president. trump did nothing about the gas attack in Syria except to blame the last president.
gravenimage says
“Brian Hoff”–really, “DefenderofIslam”–is still hoping to see his fellow Muslims take over in the US. Then he can get his share of the sex slaves…
Biff H says
It sets the stage that Christian officers can be fired for speaking ill of Satan worshippers on social media or if it came to light they concurred with their church’s teaching about Satan being a negative influence on the lives of Christians.
Jedothek says
Perhaps it needs to be said again that “Islamophobe” is a word with almost no legitimate use. For a person to read in the Quran “slay the idolaters wherever ye find them” (9:5), and to object to that verse, is not a phobia ( irrational fear), it is an opinion, one protected by the first amendment.
Frank Anderson says
Jedothek, a direct quote is not an opinion of the person repeating the quote. It is at best the opinion of the author, ratified by 1400 years of followers and how many murders. Facts can be very embarrassing, but only to those who are capable of being embarrassed. I think the professionals among us would agree that sociopaths can feel no sense of shame or embarrassment. Infidels confront about 1.5 billion sociopaths.
Jedothek says
Frank Anderson: the opinion I referred to is not the quote, but the hypothetical objection to the Quran verse.
Dan says
That’s the problem.
Nobody was actually monitoring those particular people and their particular texts.
The NSA has admitted they collect and store ALL electronic communications and data. They say they don’t specifically read everything, but that’s a moot point, because computer programs check for trigger words, and finding them, triggers a warning.
THEN humans check.
It used to be, it cost tons of money and manpower to spy on people. Months, even years, to manually go through documents to build a case.
Now that spying has gone Walmart one person can spy on tens of thousands because he doesn’t actually have to wade through tens of thousands of people’s documents. He only has to wait for the computer to ping and spit out the relevant info.
And even then, people don’t have to wade through an person’s entire life, or spend months collecting documentation.
The computer just spits out everything needed, so basically we REALLY are under Big Brother’s watch now.
All that’s left?
Is for a government we can’t trust to be in power.
Which one is, or which one was it, for you?
Custos Custodum says
Unfortunately, 100% correct.
Bush and his designated heir Obama have set up a massive government system to keep comprehensive tabs on ordinary citizens while those with political muscle get away with massive crimes.
The real purpose of NSA and other government spying is to enslave the people through intimidation and blackmail.
Preventing terrorism and other alleged rationales are a lame excuses, as shown by terrorist incidents that could easily have been prevented with a modicum of effectiveness and dedication.
Terry says
I can give a great example of the ” bad words”.
A real estate broker was entering a listing into his multiple listing system.
The home is in a subdivision with the name INDIAN.
that triggered a warning- “possible banned word”.
he had to call, and call- until he got a person with more than one brain cell, to understand IT WAS THE NAME OF THE SUBDIVISION.
The PC madness is madness.
gravenimage says
Yes–I’ve seen similar insanity, Terry.
Custos Custodum says
Reading between the lines, it appear that the offending text messages were discovered in the course of the federal corruption probe.
San Francisco pols then gleefully used the “inappropriate” texts to make an example of one officer by firing him and thus to intimidate the others.
Most likely, the officers also drew the ire of their betters by exchanged less-than-reverent texts about the prevailing culture of LGBT worship that is the established church in San Francisco.
Technically, the firing of an officer would not be the result of a court case, so there is no question of a court using inadmissible evidence. Nonetheless, the basic Fourth Amendment principle should apply: unlawful government searches of a citizen’s private papers should not result in adverse government action.
A possible problem for the officers would be if they used their official phones to send “inappropriate” communications. However, it is surely unreasonable to expect human beings to stay 100% job-focused 8 hours a day.
Federal judges and their staff cannot, of course, be fired at all except in the most exceptional circumstances. This is why they feel comfortable pretending to lay down rules for what ordinary men and women can and cannot say in a real-life work context.
Terry says
last sentence, next to the last paragraph–I THINK THAT YOU MEAN 24 HOURS A DAY, NOT 8
Custos Custodum says
I did mean 8 hours – during a regular 8 hour work day, a normal human being must be given a chance to chat about the world in general and politics in particular with co-workers, customers etc. at work, at least during breaks.
It is utterly obscene for unsackable judges and other government busybodies to impose speech codes on those who work in the real world, pay real taxes and have real jobs to lose.
David Pimentel says
The messages were likely volunteered by the recipient(s); thus, I assume them to be admissible. It suggests that one must be very careful of who is considered a friend. That is obviously not a new idea.
Jeanette says
Maybe it was Hussein al-Obama’s buddy, Susan Rice.
miike says
I bet one of the other officers turned him in! People tend to think police officers never speak out or against one another but they have snitches looking to climb the ranks and become LT’s and Captains! In cities Like SF & Oakland ratting on other officers is a quick way to make SGT!
If you can’t prove the officer in question has violated a Muslims rights then what does it matter if he has arbitrary views!
You damn well know if a police officer texted something negative about republicans or whites nothing would come of it!
gravenimage says
It depends what it is–if an officer turns another in for actual criminal acts–it is rare, but does happen, as it did recently in Oakland where some cops used an underaged prostitute–then I applaud it. If it is turning on their fellow police for non-violent, privately held beliefs, then it is disgusting.
Lisa says
Wake up America! Jihad is on the march around the world and anyone who thinks it isn’t already here in the USA is in denial.
Wake Up America! This leader admits they are not coming to America for PEACE! They are coming to take over every where they going! Here, Europe! Germany is being destroyed and their women raped daily! Wake the hell up! This is war for our country! http://www.yesimright.com/muslim-leader-goes-on-live-tv-and-admits-that-muslims-do-not-want-peace/ .
Lisa says
THIS IS WHY YOU CAN’T TRUST MUSLIMS https://antzinpantz.wordpress.com/2015/06/06/this-is-why-you-cant-trust-muslims/ don’t take my word for it, google “why you can’t trust muslims”.
joy says
great comment
Frank Anderson says
Joy, to “liberals”, “progressives” or whatever label applies, the law means nothing. They select, nominate, appoint and confirm judges who will MAKE the law anything they want. A truly “law-abiding” judge will never see a day on the bench in CA or the 9th Circuit. All the states comprising the 9th Circuit are good to be from (to leave) if you are not a liberal of some stripe.
Alarmed Pig Farmer says
The contents of the messages have not been released…
Well, if he told the truth then he deserved it. That’s the logic behind the Fallaci/Steyn law, the newest law in media, settled law, that a public servant telling the truth an offensive truth is an offense that justifies firing.
Westman says
Yup. Welcome to the thought police state and the SJW Stasi.
DFD says
WARNING! A NEW DISEASE!
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In Sweden a new disease, epidemic even, has recently broken out. It’s the “repatriatorensis”. It strikes children of families which are to be deported. The disease has so far manifested itself among children from Kosovo, Aserbaidschan, Kasachstan, Afghanistan and Kirgistan.
The symptoms are that the child loses appetite, becomes introverted, loses interest even in computer games and becomes outright depressed. Plus sleeplessness and crying at night. The symptoms, brought on by the trauma of losing “their homes”, are of course confirmed doctors – working for various refugee charities. Speedy recovery occurs when the inhuman threat of deportation is lifted, naturally.
It is expected that the epidemic will spread to other European nations, perhaps rapidly.
Attention: It may reach the US as well…
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Peggy says
Kosovo is all Albanian now so there’s nothing to be afraid of except if you are Serbian.
Alarmed Pig Farmer says
The world’s newest Moslem nation. Dar al-Islam all the way. And the U.S. helped set it up, I remember a Jewish senator weeping with joy when it happened, an older guy who as I recall was a survivor of the Holocaust.
LR says
It is already here in the U.S….California may become a ‘sanctuary’ state, due to the large numbers of ‘illegal alien’ families that people do not want to see ‘torn apart’, and deported.
Custos Custodum says
And of course it would be cruel and unusual punishment to separate hard-scrounging illegals from their EBT cards provided courtesy of gabacho U.S. taxpayers.
Michael says
I say it would be awesome if California would secede. I love to see the banners ‘Immigrants welcome here.’ And they could add ‘Illegal’ in front of it. Yes, let them all go there. Take the Muslim immigrants, too. And the Muslims and Mexicans and leftists can fight among themselves when the Muslims fight to install Sharia law, and the Mexicans fight to make California a part of Mexico again.
Unfortunately, it would be a tiny part of the battle. But it would be interesting.
DFD says
Hi Michael,
I think that will interest you
https://www.jihadwatch.org/2017/04/merkel-government-says-there-is-no-need-to-regulate-islamic-organizations-in-germany/comment-page-1#comment-1645755
Michael says
DFD, thank you. I will check all the links. Your knowledge of history leaves me in awe. Your writing is superb. Thank you for sharing so much of what you know and have learned.
Cynthia in California says
God, no. Although California is admittedly wacky, it’s also the world’s sixth-largest economy. Removing this sort of value from the U.S. economy would (I think) have devastating financial impacts.
However, I could ALSO do with:
–H1-B visas not being used to put skilled Americans out of work (happens a lot in Silicon Valley),
–Roads, dams, bridges being repaired after the awful pummelling they took this winter, and
–a LOT LESS political correctness, esp. in the S.F. Bay Area (where I, unfortunately, live).
Don’t impute to those of us who live here (I married a born-in-California native, wrong move) sentiments broadcast (inter)nationally just because they fall down on the goofy side of reality. thx
gravenimage says
Agree, Cynthia. I’m a fellow Californian–as are quite a few others here at Jihad Watch.
l live in Oakland. You?
Terry says
I heard an interesting statistic a few days ago.
OBAMA DEPORTED MORE THAN 2,500,000 – THAT IS -MORE THAN 2 AND A HALF MILLION PEOPLE-DURING HIS 8 YEARS.
NOT INCLUDING THOSE WHO LEFT ON THEIR OWN, TO AVOID BEING DEPORTED.
THAT AVERAGES OVER 850 PER DAY, EVERY DAY, OF HIS ADMINISTRATION.
WHERE WERE THE PROTESTORS ABOUT ” FAMILIES BEING TORN APART?
Michael says
Terry, you know, I know, the answer to your question. ANYTHING Obama did, or would have done, was supported 100%.
He could’ve given nuclear bombs to Iran — maybe he did; do we yet know the actual contents of the agreement? — and people would have cheered.
He could’ve installed Sharia law, and people would have run to line up to submit, convert, or die.
It would have been so with Hillary, as well. It was that way. She lied, cheated, and stole. And her fans saw her as virtually god, or literally god.
It’s frightening. The schisms between left and right — between wrong and right, is more accurate; between law, and lawlessness — are now very very clear. while they had Obama in office, their rages were muted. now they are out in full force. the violence, the anger, toward lawfulness and individual rights, is pretty complete.
gravenimage says
There *were* a few protesters in San Francisco, Terry–but you are right–largely, it was ignored because Obama didn’t “fit the narrative”.
no_one says
Sharia law in action in silicon valley.
Wellington says
Had they been anti-Christian text messages the man would still have his job. Which speaks volumes about hypocrisy, double standards, overall ignorance and sheer stupidity.
Terry says
I agree; or if the messages were Anti-Semitic; Israel bashing; BDS supporting; orAnti-Pres. Trump. or pro-hetrosexual activity.
hell, he probably would have been promoted.
gravenimage says
Grimly true, Wellington.
Terry says
A bit off- but a question (hypothetical at this point) for Wellington, Graven and anyone else who wishes to answer.
SF has a large homosexual population.
WHEN (I AM NOT SAYING IF-BUT WHEN) THEIR MUSLIM BROTHERS START EXECUTING GAYS, IN S.F. FOR BEING GAY, WILL THE GAYS AND THE S..F. POLITICAL STRUCTURE CHANGE THEIR VIEWPOINTS?
My vote-no. They will still defend the Muslims. Look at the response to the multiple times deported criminal (illegal) who killed a woman- none.
LR says
Yes, good point.
Custos Custodum says
No way would he still have his job.
He would long have been promoted, perhaps to Outreach Officer for Diversity and Inclusion and Thought Crime Elimination.
davej says
Private message on private phone with the alleged contents not released =
the death of private speech in America,
Next step will be you are not entitled to hold a private opinion. This is the chilling effect of political correctness.
Terry says
Look – what a year or two ago- the OWNER OF A BASKETBALL TEAM, IN A PRIVATE CONVERSATION IN HIS OWN HOME, MADE A DISPARAGING REMARK ABOUT NEGROES (I AM PRE-JESSE JACKSON PC TALK).
Some bitch heard it; was upset- went public; had to sell his sports team; barred from events. What utter b.s. My view
Peggy says
Americans are protected from prosecution regarding free speech
How on earth did this get so far? Judges are supposed to uphold the law not make it up as they go along so basically there was nothing criminal done.
I just don’t get it.
somehistory says
If some crime is charged and goes to trial, then judges are supposed to rule on the law.
This was done by a police chief who would cite department policy, which is not a “crime” but the way the department is run by the guy in charge.
It’s like a business telling people they have to dress a certain way, etc.
Custos Custodum says
Do you know how babies are made?
Do you know how judges are appointed? By whom? Do you know what REALLY happens in the smoke-free back room?
Peggy says
@Somehistory,
This was done by a police chief who would cite department policy, which is not a “crime” but the way the department is run by the guy in charge
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Maybe so but this was on his own time and on his own private phone so maybe he has a case of unfair dismissal to take to a court and see what happens. Judges there might not be on the boss’ side.
I doubt that they would find a policy which dictates how he conducts himself as a private citizen.
Peggy says
Custos Custodum says
April 5, 2017 at 12:12 am
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Judges are supposed to uphold the law not make it up as they go along so basically there was nothing criminal done.
Do you know how babies are made?
Do you know how judges are appointed? By whom? Do you know what REALLY happens in the smoke-free back room?
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I know how babies are made. I have kids.
Do I know what happens in a smoke-free back room? Never been in one but I can imagine.
Have you ever heard of unfair dismissal?
Custos Custodum says
Peggy – my comments may have been a tad sharp in wording, but they were certainly not intended to disparage you personally.
Rather, the point is to be realistic about what we can and cannot expect from a politician-appointed judiciary many of whose actions are shielded from full public view.
In fact, compared with other countries, the U.S. seems blessed with a stunningly high proportion of reasonably honest, smart and diligent judges, but there is certainly no justification for complacency.
As a society, we must uphold and declaim our IDEALS of what judges should and should not do, as you did. Of course, there will always be a significant gap between ideal and reality, but we can perhaps try to keep sight of our founding ideals as we are tossed and turned on the roiling waters of “real life.”
somehistory says
Peggy,
It should be the way you say. I’m saying like it is.
Imagine two men arguing on the sidewalk or over the hedge between their houses. No fighting, just calling names and insulting each others’ intelligence. After the argument ends, each goes back inside and nothing else happens.
Now imagine that one of the guys is a police officer. Although it happened on the officer’s private yard and on his off-duty time, it will be reported to someone at his department.
Most departments consider that an officer is never “off duty.” His bosses will consider that he is setting a bad example and makes their police department “look bad.”
Terry says
neither did I get 9it, but the sanctimonious people who run the NBA (national basketball Association) forced him to sell the team-or, his stake (I think he owned a large portion and family members the rest).
BUT THIS WAS SPOKEN IN HIS HOUSE, IN PRIVATE.
There was a French philosopher, about 150-200 years ago, who said ( paraphrasing) that the law is fair. It is equal. BOTH THE RICH AND THE POOR CANNOT SLEEP UNDER THE BRIDGES OF THE SEINE.
That is the situation now with Muslims. My views
Terry says
sorry for spelling errors and typos
Troybeam says
First amendment,
Islam’s rejection of first amendment
work place appeasement to Islam
guilt forced upon personal thoughts on Islam
This is the way it will be until we the people fight back:DO NOT BE SILENT.
Frank Anderson says
Troybeam, the city/county of San Francisco is bound by the First Amendment, and the entire US Constitution under Article 6 Clause 2, The Supremacy Clause, “[Federal law] shall be the supreme law of the land and the judges of every state shall be bound thereby; any thing in the constitution or laws of any state (or municipality) to the contrary notwithstanding.” It is hard to extend Constitutional Rights to actions of private parties. But Civil Rights laws passed in 1964 did just that. Take a look at the Supreme Court case concerning Ollie’s Barbeque , Katzenbach v McClung, 379 U.S. 294 (1964).
Sanctuary cities are a direct violation of federal obstruction of justice law, see 18 USC 1503, 1505 and 1512, and the Victims and Witnesses Protection Act of 1982. Any conspiracy to violate federal law is also a crime. Sure, cut off the federal money, but also send those who harass, hinder or oppress federal law enforcement officers to jail where they belong for corruption in public office.
How can the civil right of association, which is the foundation of the 1964 act, fail to include the right of free speech? Free speech includes the right to say or write things that some may find objectionable. Lone persons, like this officer, do not begin to have the resources, starting with the money and time, to fight this battle alone. There are bound to be other jurisdictions that would welcome this person.
Troybeam says
San Francisco/California more liberal than most other states and look where they are, as for other jurisdictions best bet move to another state.
Frank Anderson says
Troy, I worked in San Francisco for 4 months in 1986. The good outweighed the bad then. But the assignment ended and I moved on. I must say in light of the earthquake and the declining situation God did me a favor to get me out. Soon SF will be like New York in the John Carpenter movie Escape from New York. A good place to be from.
Cynthia in California says
Gentlemen: I still live here, married to a born-in-California guy. I reject the characterization of the City and County of San Francisco as “liberal.”
*I* am a liberal; S.F. has gone full-tilt boogie to the extreme left end of progressivism (as currently understood, vs. its early 20th-century understanding) and said left end’s attendant ideologies of not saying anything bad about anybody who could possibly be considered a “minority.”
Which is kinda strange, given that whites are now a statistical minority in the statewide population of this…ah…great state.
gravenimage says
San Francisco police officer fired for private “anti-Muslim” text messages
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More insanity from my own neck of the woods. These poor officers.
More:
The contents of the messages have not been released, so we have no idea if this fired police officer was really disparaging Muslims or just speaking about jihad terror in a way that Leftists and Islamic supremacists routinely deride as “anti-Muslim.” In any case, note that the text messages were private. Now in San Francisco thoughtcrime is a firing offense.
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Appalling–but we are seeing more and more of this madness.
More:
In the latest case, the officer allegedly attempted to right his wrong by volunteering at an Islamic center and educate himself about the faith he had allegedly disparaged, according to a lawyer close to the case….
But Tony Brass, who represented Liu and has represented officers for the POA in the past, said the text messages were sent from one private phone to another. He also noted the officer’s effort to educate himself about Islam.
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Hard to tell, but this implies that the texts were actually about Islam itself, not Muslims.
And what Taqiyya would the officers have been handed about Islam at this unnamed Islamic Center? I shudder to think. But even this abasement was not enough to save the officers’ jobs.
And note the name–Liu. Going to the link, the two officers are identified as Jason Lai and Curtis Liu–the fact that they are “people of color” did not save them from being labeled “Islamophobes”.
The San Francisco Chief of Police is William Scott. I couldn’t find an email address, but he can be reached at 1245 3rd Street, 6th floor, San Francisco, Ca 94158. If you do write–I will–be polite, but make your views known on the injustice Lai and Liu received.
Michael says
I thought it was interesting that he ‘educated himself’ on Islam. If he actually did, and actually learned what Islam is — he probably already knew, thus his awful truthful texts — then his following texts would be even more awfully truthful.
Thanks for the address for the chief of police, gravenimage. I will write a letter, too. Polite, and clear.
dumbledoresarmy says
Yes. That’s the most interesting part of all of this. I would *love* to know what he discovered, if he kept his police officer BS-detectors tuned to ‘high’. And especially if he went and read the Quran for himself. The copies with the standard annotations, helpfully provided by the Saudi dawa artists, are even more illuminating – i.e. in the sense of offering the sensible infidel reader many moments of Awful Realization – than the bare text that one finds in such things as the Penguin ‘Koran’ that is on the shelves at the average bookshop. Hey, maybe he even went and read the Sira of Ibn Ishaq (I think it’s online in English translation). Or Al Tabari’s History (blood and gore and mass murders, rapes and pillagings from end to end), with lots of gleeful bloodlusting boastings and crowings.
mortimer says
How can a Muslim police officer be unbiased towards DIRTY KAFIRS when bias is BUILT INTO ISLAM?
ISLAM REQUIRES MUSLIMS TO HATE ALL KAFIRS ‘FOR THE SAKE OF ALLAH’.
Will the POLICE DEPARTMENT screen all Muslim candidates for BIAS AGAINST DIRTY KAFIRS?
If a Muslim does not HATE KAFIRS and show hostility to them, he/she cannot go to paradise.
Richard says
Absolutely, Mortimer! And, practically speaking on a theoretical basis, if a non-Muslim cannot say anything negative about Islam, he or she would have a moral obligation to become a Muslim, since it would then be the true religion. By the same standards, not being able to say anything negative about Islam would mean no other religion could strive either to keep its own members, nor convert Muslims.
Michael says
It is illegal to hate an ideology that hates. It is unlawful to express a viewpoint against an ideology that will kill you. They may murder you. But you cannot speak against them. This is what it’s come to.
mortimer says
This was not called ‘racism’, because the constables were of Chinese heritage. Those who work on the streets and back alleys see the depressing, degrading side of life. Those cops probably saw the reality of Muslim philosophy up close… wife-beating, misogyny, hatred of kafirs, prejudice towards ‘others’, hatred of Jews, effects of cousin marriages and polygamy, etc.
There is much to deplore and criticize in the DYSFUNCTIONAL Islamic sociology. The dysfunctional Islamic philosophy creates dysfunctional Islamic societies.
marina says
If it was a Muslim police officer who sent anti-Christian or anti-(any other religion) messages what the SFPD would have done? Look the other way.
Michael says
Oh, everybody else is open to attack. As others have noted, he would likely have been promoted. If he bashed Trump, and advocated for sanctuary state status and blatant breaking of federal law, he would be right there alongside the police chief.
Islam is the protected cult. Islam, the cult that kills, that promotes death and violence, is enshrined into a protected class.
The world can’t get much more backward. And I’m sure it will.
somehistory says
Before too much longer, one will have to profess islam as a belief to even be hired.
‘One must receive the mark of the beast in order to buy and sell’ (Revelation 13)…which means, bow to the beast, give support to the beast in order to have money, make a living, get a job, operate a business…
Some verses in the Bible foretell bad news because it needs to be foretold…we must not forget that Christ brought with Him…the “good news” of God’s Kingdom (Matthew 24:14)
Michael says
This is precisely what would happen if and when Sharia law is installed. In order to live, you must become a dhimmi, and pay the tax. Otherwise you are beheaded. In a public square, of course. Or worse.
We think of the anti-Christ as an individual. I’m thinking the anti-Christ is Islam. And the mark of the beast, while we think of it as a physical mark, may well be the ‘submission’ as a dhimmi. You are marked, and it is the only way you remain alive. If you submit …
somehistory says
I agree with you. I don’t believe the “mark”has to be literal. It may just mean mentally going along and “lending” a hand in keeping the beast in power, and as you say, “submission.”
Terry Gain says
This is outrageous and I don’t care what the Police Officer said about that evil ideology, which is the scourge of mankind. Americans will lose their freedoms if you don’t realize that the only solution to this problem is a complete ban on Muslim immigration.
Muslims are replacing the First Amendment with Sharia Law even though they are only 1% of the population. Wait until they are 5%.
Richard says
Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre, who was in charge of all the Catholic schools in Africa, said that if more than 30% of the children were Muslim, they would take over the whole school. This is for CATHOLIC schools, taught by priests and nuns!
Michael says
They have taken over schools in Sweden. And in England. There are schools in England, I believe, that are 100% Muslim. Probably many.
I read that there are, I think, 10,000 mosques in England. Many former churches, are now Muslim mosques.
Christians, Catholics, Coptics, there are hit lists for them. And they are killed out in the open, and the murderers kill in daylight, no fear of being caught. There’s nothing to catch them for there. They are ‘doing Islam.’
And under Obama — and I don’t know if anything has changed yet under Trump — the truly persecuted, the Christians in any denomination, have been abandoned. No special immigration treatment for them. Instead, Muslims, Muslims, Muslims … Not that Obama had any preference for Muslims.
Astounding that little Israel stands strong, and I believe will. May we give them our support.
Katnis says
Am I the only person here who is curious about the text messages? I know this is not the point of the article, but I can’t help but wonder. 🙂
gravenimage says
Katnis, I wonder what was in the text messages, as well.
It is just Orwellian that these officers were fired on this basis, and yet the public will never actually know what was said.
Unless it was an actual call for oppression or violence–which seems very unlikely–then this is a travesty of justice.
somehistory says
I’m fairly sure that most of us wonder. Some people have come to JW and accused commenters and even Mr. Spencer of such things as *hatred of muslims* and yet, we all know those claims are unfounded and untrue.
Although it is not against any law to dislike a group of people…even though it is *frowned upon* as racist, or bigotry…most people here are only speaking out against islam and what it is causing people to do and the hatred it engenders in those who believe it. But that does not keep others from the claims of bigotry and hatred.
It is likely the same with the police officers who have expressed their private thoughts and feelings.
Many today want it to be against the law to express personal feelings unless it is about something they are against. Which, of course, is hypocrisy.
Richard says
Somehistory. No, it isn’t about hatred or bigotry, as you correctly say. If someone takes a shot at you and misses, you may forgive him – but when you later see him walking toward you with a gun in his hand, do you stand there and wave? That is the situation we are in, as everyone on this web site understands.
Terry says
A police officer in FL ( this was a few months back) because he texted a fellow officer, about a woman that he helped (I forgot the details-not in the area where I live) from a 911 call.
he said something to the effect that she looked like a nice piece and he would not mind having sex with her. (Different terminology, obviously).
NOW, HE NEVER APPROACHED THE WOMAN, EXCEPT PROFESSIONALLY, AND SOLVED THE SITUATION THAT CAUSED THE 911 CALL. Someone else saw the message, and the cop was fired.
By the way, he had a good record, never a complaint.
The PC correct mob.
Michael says
our new digital reality is that every keystroke, everything we say on phones — and who knows, it may be wherever we are anymore; the surveillance technology far surpasses anything we suspect, I’m sure — texts, emails, comments on sites like this, anything, everything, all recorded.
caution … but only so much, too. if all of us were super cautious, we wouldn’t post a word here, or on Facebook or on comments of other articles. There are millions of us who are fighting against this. We are not alone. onward.
we are truly in a life and death fight here. not figuratively. literally. our own lives. and the lives of everyone we know.
somehistory says
Wise King Solomon gave a warning about 3 thousand years ago:
Ecclesiastes 10:20 “Even in your thoughts, do not curse the king, nor in your bedroom curse the rich, … For a bird will fly by and tell what you say, or something with wings may talk .”
“Moreover, do not curse the king, even in your bedroom, and in your sleeping … A bird may carry your words, or some winged creature may repeat what you say. … For a bird will fly by and tell what you say, or something with wings may talk .”
This was fair warning, and the same is true today. We have freedom of speech, but enemies may use whatever we say against us.
Mo says
We are going to be seeing more and more of this. These bullies WILL NOT stop until they have destroyed anyone who doesn’t bow to them.
It’s horrifying. Very few people can afford to lose their job over a principle.
LR says
As someone stated above…If there were certain department policies the policemen violated, then I suppose that would make sense…
Still, it would be interesting to find out in legal terms how this judgement comes about in light of ‘free speech’ rights.
Private ‘offensive’, texts…What gives? What precedent does this set, if any?
somehistory says
He would need to fight his dismissal with a lawsuit, claiming they violated his first amendment rights of free speech. Police have the same rights as everyone else if charged with a crime, so he should be able to sue as moslims sue when they get fired for not working according to business policy.(ie: scarves, not hauling beer, not having extra breaks, etc.)_
Police have a harder time winning as they are “held to a higher standard” and more is expected of them in the matter of free speech and self-defense, etc.
When some fireman felt they weren’t getting a fair break at work, they sued in a class action claim. This officer should at least try through the courts. With the climate today, he will most likely lose.
Frank Anderson says
Some, resort to the courts involves more or less a decade in all the stages from gathering facts for the complaint through all the appeals that should follow the kangaroo trial in San Francisco, if it ever gets to trial. As “rich” as law firms are shown on television shows, they don’t get rich by funding expensive law suits that take more or less a decade of intense work, and usually wind up paying very little, So, it becomes the plaintiff’s (officer’s) problem to not only fund the suit, but to be able to live while it goes on. As the suit and almost certainly multiple appeals go on the officer’s life will be consumed, and employment opportunities ruined.
There must be a better way that does not demand sacrifice of the officer to address this outrageous violation. Under the “liberal” regime, some people have “free speech” and some don’t. Those who agree (or might agree) with the officer don’t have those rights. As far as the content of the texts, San Francisco should “put up or shut up”. This is a great example of the denial of Constitutional Due Process, which includes “open courts”. If we don’t know details of both convictions and acquitalls, future defendants do not have access to prior cases to prepare their defense.
Joe says
If he takes it to court, we may discover the content of the text messages.
Noah T says
Muslims are not a small group of people being persecuted. They have 57 Islamic countries where they could go and live and they won’t be offended by anyone. Why do they invade Western countries and think everyone is going to treat them with kid gloves? As a matter of fact, in most of these 57 Islamic countries, non-Muslims are persecuted in one way or another. In some places like Saudi Arabia for example, you can’t bring in religious articles if they’re not Islamic. No churches or synagogues are allowed in the entire country.
Peggy says
Custos Custodum says
April 5, 2017 at 1:24 am
Peggy – my comments may have been a tad sharp in wording, but they were certainly not intended to disparage you personally
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I do get it now. Sometimes written word can be taken the way it was not indented.
I haven’t had conversations with you before and didn’t really know how to take you but I will keep in mind your sarcasm.
Thanks for explaining.
Custos Custodum says
Appreciate your understanding.
UNCLE VLADDI says
They won’t fire cops for brutal assaults on defenseless citizens, but will for THIS?!
Anyway, I’d love to be able to hire this guy if he doesn’t soon become head of the FBI!
Dacritic says
That’s California right? No wonder.
Terry says
Consider, the State Attorney Generals of N. Y., Mass., Md., Cal., and i think a few others have tried ( and I think are still trying) TO MAKE IT ILLEGAL NOT TO BELIEVE IN GLOBAL WARMING.
AND IF ONE IS A NON-BELIEVER, AND SAYS SO ARE WRITES THIS PUBLICLY, THESE A..G.’S WANT THE POWER TO SEND THE PERSON TO PRISON.
No scientific merits; no free speech. Just accept the party line. I beleive all of the states have Democrap governors and AGs.
Michael says
Terry, did not know these things.
Islam: question it, abandon it, and you will be killed.
Global warming: prison.
There are other things similarly proscribed by law, not to mention them here.
Perhaps the thing that can’t be questioned, IS the evil. perhaps the fact that it will get you in prison, or dead, to question it, tells us all we need to know about that which cannot be questioned or rejected.
Either we kill these ideologies, or they will, literally, kill us.
Crusades Were Right! says
What are “anti-Muslim” comments?
Why, communicating truths about Islam that Mohammedans don’t want you to know, silly!
Michael says
Crusades Were Right, you are right! And those truths are, interestingly enough, actually anti-Muslim! We are against Islam! Hell yeah! Completely! Totally! Any truth SHOULD be anti-Islam! Who in their right civilized decent loving human mind wants this stuff????
Crusades Were Right! says
; ¬)
medaber_emet says
this is another nail in USA coffin
stupid american are destroying america themselves for the Muslims
the MBO knew very well what are they talking about
when they said that america will be destroyed by their hands and the hands of the believers
their hands meaning the non Muslim Americans
exactly like those stupid fools in San Francisco
Lorn Ferguson says
We ARE ALREADY LOSING OUR 1ST AMMENDMENT RIGHTS!!!
pit says
There may be a problem with that forcre
http://gawker.com/the-horrible-bigoted-texts-traded-between-san-francisc-1692183203
pit says
http://www.cnn.com/2016/04/26/us/racist-texts-san-francisco-police-officer/
John A. Marre says
The authorities are willing to illegally search private messages of cops, but are not willing to monitor mosques and keep track of jihad-prone Muslims.
Cynthia in California says
So true. The S.F. Police Dept. is particularly intrusive into its officers’ communications, ever on the watch for politically incorrect speech, no matter its accuracy.
Pal says
A new, South Carolina, faithful: A muslim man arrested for planning IS attacks at home, to ‘imitate Orlando killer Omar Mateen, and abroad, attempting to join ISIS: “Blood and death does not frighten me”:
http://www.postandcourier.com/news/documents-allege-ladson-man-planned-isis-attacks-at-home-abroad/article_ee6f86f8-1952-11e7-961a-8b3ec2dbb648.html
(“Omar”: probably after caliph U/Omar, 583-644, one of most popular and successful in the name of islam – i.e., against non-islam)
Florida Jim says
YIKES! Snowflakes are everywhere just like muslims.
Dawn says
I am not for anti anything but what bothers me When Imans in Quebec mosques are spewing to kill Jews and nothing is done about it .
Lioness says
Surely he would not have been fired if they found anti Christian text messages on his phone.
Michael says
As others have also noted, had that been the case, he would’ve been promoted, instantly.
Lou says
He will make a comeback if he can prove that he provides housing for illegal immigrant criminals.
What a bunch of sewer rats run this town….
Islam Forbids says
Education is the key Once everyone knows about Islam Sharia and jihad The support for Islam will dry up ,its sympathizers facing the ridicule they deserve this kind of thing will end .
Islam calls for the death of all non muslims Islam Not Islamism or islamist just standard islam .Learn then teach tell everyone .
Cynthia in California says
Ah, but those already caught in the trap will be *killed* if they try to escape. Given the number of disturbed, violent (mostly) men in society and–in the U.S.–with easy access to firearms, I think we’re in for a long, difficult time. Alas….
Lydia says
Soon their ‘zero tolerance’ policy will be the cause of many Christian martyrs and other forms of persecution as it already has proven to be.
They have no business firing someone for what they believe, think, say, etc. and post on a private site or on their own domain such as facebook. But this has happened already too. So that first of all.
I do want to distinguish between two sets of comments just for information purposes.
Type 1 comment:
Islam is a violent religion.
Homosexuality is a sin.
Marriage is defined between a man and a woman.
Adultery is a sin.
There is only one path to heaven.
Sodomy causes Aids.
Type 2 comment:
I want all muslims to be killed.
I want all homosexuals to go to hell.
God hates those who commit adultery.
Anyone who disagrees with me is a stupid idiot.
Now of course some people will be offended by all the comments in type 1 and type 2. But that does not mean I don’t have the right to express comments such as type 1. That is either my belief, or a fact that can be proven scientifically or historically. I am not ‘intolerant’ just for believing that, but others are intolerant if they don’t want anyone to believe that item, but rather to believe what they want them to believe, that is intolerant. I am not telling anyone what to think, just expressing what I think. That is freedom of speech. Now I also have the right to make a type 2 comment. But I choose not to because the difference is in type 1, a general comment is made about a category, but in type 2, a person is directly insulted. Also, in type 2 there is direct anger and hatred towards a person and a wish for ill will towards them. In type 1, at least for my feeling, there is a desire to see others have a change of heart but if they don’t, I still treat them kindly. (I just won’t condone sin in any way by participating in a gay wedding, etc.). Type 2 only makes the group or person angry at you and no one focuses on the behavior or belief but rather the person. In some cases the person is attacked in a way that is not Christ-like. So we need to keep that distinction in mind. If a person is alienated for a type 2 comment, well that is ‘iffy.’ It is still no right to fire anyone. But to fire someone for a type 1 comment, that is direct persecution and the kind that I too, am in danger of facing because I stand with the truth.
dumbledoresarmy says
“Sodomy causes Aids.”
You really believe that? Do you seriously believe that if you take two gay guys or a hetero couple who are blood-tested and screened and declared to be assuredly NOT carrying the AIDS virus, and they then – the gay guys with each other, the hetero couple with each other – engage in anal sex (monogamously, i.e. neither partner in *either* couple is having a bit on the side with anyone else) that the AIDS virus will spontaneously self-generate in them??? Really? You create a totally new virus by doing one kind of sex act??
The thing is a *virus*. Like ebola, or flu, or anything else that we call a virus. It started out in other primates, and then fairly recently got transmitted to humans … by nonsexual means. I understand it initially spread via men who made use of prostitutes – i.e heterosexual promiscuous behaviour. It’s lethal to humans because it’s a ‘new’ virus in humans. Once humans caught it, because it’s a particular type of virus – exactly like things like Hepatitis C – it spread *most easily* by sexual contact, though it *also* spreads by *other* means, such as … insufficiently sterilised dental or medical equipment. It’s an STD like all other STDS, which means it doesn’t care who is having sex with whom, or using what orifice; all it needs is mixing of bodily fluids and contact of mucous membrances; except that unlike things like syphilis and chlamydia and gonorrhoea it is not treatable by simple antibiotics. Which makes it the equivalent of syphilis in the 16th century – incurable. Spread by male-to-male and by male-to-female sex.
Lydia says
Also, there is a saying among Christians:
Hate the sin, love the sinner.
We want to see them repent and so does God.
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Michael says
The reality is, they want us dead. They are killing Christians all over the Middle East. I would like them to repent, too. But if we turn the other cheek, it will be the end of civilization as we know it, and a return to barbarism. Islam is evil. We must stand up against evil, whatever it takes to stand up to it, and defeat it. There is no talking to them. There is no reasoning. There is no re-programming. There are no lights that are going to go on in their heads. Perhaps a tiny, tiny number here and there.
This is a literal life and death struggle. Islam is evil.
billybob says
If this guy really wanted to educate himself “about the faith he had allegedly disparaged”, all he needed to do was to spend a few hours a week here on JihadWatch. There would be no more of this allegeding to worry about after that. He could just come out and say what he means with confidence.
Davegreybeard says
This article illustrates the problem we have with Jihadists and their idiot Leftist helpers conflating (successfully) race hatred and any criticism of Islam.
Consider the links provided by “pti” above, that provide sample transcripts of the text messages between the S.F.P.D. officers. Now ask yourself, do you really want police officers who routinely talk about “niggers” “burning crosses” and Blacks as “savages” on your local police force?
I certainly don’t.
So now comes a conversation between two officers about Islam and Muslims and it gets put in that same category. And our P.C. police chief reflexively fires those involved in the conversation. End of story.
Have you ever been branded as a racist for discussing Islam? I certainly have, many times.
The only answer to all this is to try and educate as many Infidels as you can, whenever you get the opportunity – typically, one Infidel at a time. And then endure the social ostracism and hatred directed your way as best you can.
Deus Vult
Angemon says
Muslims riding the racial racket ball gravy train? Imagine my surprise…
Scoot says
Fired? He should be given a promotion!
Peggy says
Now imagine that one of the guys is a police officer. Although it happened on the officer’s private yard and on his off-duty time, it will be reported to someone at his department.
Most departments consider that an officer is never “off duty.” His bosses will consider that he is setting a bad example and makes their police department “look bad.”
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I certainly get that but in this case it doesn’t look like it happened in a similar way.
It looks like the officer was sending a text to someone who he wasn’t arguing with but shared a joke with.
Surely that can’t be a legitimate reason for dismissal.
If I were him, I would fight this.