“Since Trump was inaugurated, 1,401 Syrian refugees have been resettled, State Department figures as of Wednesday reveal. This is more than double the 625 Syrian refugees resettled under President Obama in the same time frame last year.”
“’Bad, bad things are gonna happen,’ Trump said about Syrian refugee resettlement at an August rally.”
Yes, they are, Mr. President. Yes, they are, as there is no reliable way to vet the refugees and screen out jihadis from among them. And now the responsibility for that is yours.
“Trump Is Resettling Syrian Refugees At A Much Quicker Pace Than Obama,” by Alex Pfeiffer, Daily Caller, April 12, 2017:
President Donald Trump called Syrian refugees a “great Trojan horse” during the 2016 campaign, but his administration has resettled them in a quicker pace than President Barack Obama did.
Since Trump was inaugurated, 1,401 Syrian refugees have been resettled, State Department figures as of Wednesday reveal. This is more than double the 625 Syrian refugees resettled under President Obama in the same time frame last year.
The president has admitted about a third fewer refugees from all nations than Obama’s State Department did in this time span, as he has resettled 10,565 refugees so far and Obama resettled 14,841. Syrian refugees, however, were a particular focus of President Trump’s when he was running for office.
“Bad, bad things are gonna happen,” Trump said about Syrian refugee resettlement at an August rally.
As president he signed executive orders temporarily halting refugee admittance from all nations, with the first one he signed banning Syrian refugee resettlement indefinitely. However, both of these actions were halted by the courts.
After the first order was blocked by a Seattle judge, Trump tweeted, “77% of refugees allowed into U.S. since travel reprieve hail from seven suspect countries.” (WT) SO DANGEROUS!”
As of Wednesday, 44 percent of refugees have been from these “seven suspect countries” (Iran, Libya, Yemen, Syria, Sudan, Iraq, and Somalia).
The Department of Justice is currently appealing the two decisions that put Trump’s latest executive order on hold. A hearing for one of the cases is set for May. Last September, then-Secretary of State John Kerry told lawmakers that the U.S. seeks to admit 110,000 refugees in Fiscal Year 2017, which runs from Oct.1 2016 through the end of September….
Mac-101 says
Looks like we’ve been had. Once he trashes Bannon it is over. Complete Globalist NeoCon Bankster NWO Scum will be in charge!
salim says
We had high hopes and were disappointed. Trump stirred patriotism and raised expectations. I don’t know what happened to him but I know I lost my faith and trust in all politicians. I am in the UK and had high hopes of Boris Johnson, based on his writings before taking office, and was disappointed that he proved to be as corrupt as all the others.
Something happens to politicians once they assume office, something more powerful than the politicians themselves. What is it?
I might be wrong, and I hope somebody corrects me, but I keep thinking of that infamous meeting between Roosevelt and the Saudi King Abdul Aziz on that American destroyer that took place in 1945. We do not know what the deal was but they say they agreed on the future foundations of Middle Eastern politics. Could it be that America will support the Saudis no matter what?
It is interesting that Churchill had a separate meeting with Abdul Aziz in Cairo. More interesting is the fact that both world leaders didn’t bother to meet any other Arab leaders. Egypt was the leading Arab country but its king (Farouk) was ignored by both leaders (and was removed a few years later).
Conspiracy theory? Yes it is. When we cannot get the jigsaw pieces to fit we find ourselves resorting to conspiracy theories.
Bradley Lexvold says
He didn’t sign an executive order banning abortion. With 4000 innocent lives on his head every day he’s in office, corruption of the soul takes place, it’s inevitable. Seem it happen to all of them since I was born.
Coach Martin says
Nonsense. Wait until Trump has the Deep State fired and wait until the Courts defend the Constitution. The article refers to the oppositon that Trump is facing so how about giving him some support from Jihad Watch. Whose side are we on?
BC says
Correct me if I am wrong but I understand that it takes up to six months or even longer for the
immigration processes to take place. So it is not possible that these migrants are not being admitted ‘by’ Trump. It seems most likely the process of these persons’ applications originated under Obama is it not?
Debbie says
Exactly. Another attempt at at defamation by the left. As usual, yet the blind refuse to see the blatant corruption by the Democrats.
What part of “the ban has been blocked” by the liberals are these idiots missing?
occupant9 says
Absolutely. It will take time and there has been news of Obama appointments refusing to resign … how that’s possible I don’t know.
There really is a full underhanded war against Trump achieving anything he campaigned on. Recall that he’s been saying the same things for 30 years so I doubt it very much that he is merely a pawn … using his own money to undermine himself.
He’s not George Soros but no doubt Soros is doing what he can to render chaos and failure upon Trump’s presidency. He has lots of help he doesn’t have to pay for either.
gravenimage says
True, BC. These Muslim migrants were already in the pipeline.
HowardMacKinnon says
Salin, since you are in the UK, keep yourself focused on your own country. The headline is a lie. Our Pres. is not settling these refugees or bringing them in. The stopped ban he wrote is why they keep coming through. He recently made a move to deport thousands of these unwanted refugees. His ban is going through the courts right now. On abortions nationally, he stopped federal funding to facilities that perform them. On an international level, he stopped funding them too. Our President is trying to follow through on everything he promised but is being stopped by people that have the power but are not lovers of America.
Rufolino says
Surely everyone knows that Trump tried TWICE to stop immigration from dangerous countries, but was PREVENTED from doing so. No one has said he has changed his position, and he has not ! The above article is misleading…
Creole Gumbo says
The judges who “overturned” his order have no enforcement authority. They simply issue opinions. Trump could simply ignore it like Andrew Jackson did when he issued this statement:
“John Marshall has made his decision; now let him enforce it.”
Nancy Albert says
It is laughable that liberals believe he’s a “fascist” when he bends backward to let these ratfink judges, who most of us know one or two, run US immigration policy. In 1907, Teddy Roosevelt banned Asians, polygamists and those who believed polygamy should be lawful. Hey, President Trump, why don’t you ridicule and ban those who believe in polygamy, slavery, killing Jews & Homosexuals, marrying pre-teens, marrying cousins, beating their wives, making them cover their faces, etc. All of these behaviors are AGAINST OUR LAWS and we have the right to refuse them.
Mickey says
I surely hope so. Our country is in danger every day that the liberals are blocking our efforts to stop the evil from entering our nation. They are already here. You have to remember, 8 years of Obama has infiltrated our Country with this evil and our government. He had a Muslim in charge of the CIA; he let the Muslim Brotherhood come and go in our White House and government through our Military. So much indoctrination has already gone on and we need to repair the damage before there is a civil war.
Jocko says
Everyone saying Trump is doing this is wrong. Full stop. He attempted to stop the resettlement twice. He can’t refuse refugees without the execution of his executive order. Seriously, I thought this site out of all of them would understand this.
Alien Republican says
I don’t believe a second that any of the refugees was inivted by Trump. Show me evidence that Trump signed anything promoting the influx.
Jack says
Correct. Trump tried to stop it and the courts blocked him.
overman says
l think we can give him the benefit of the doubt atm, and put full blame on the lslamophile judges and the traitors he’s surrounding himself with. But, why has he invited these snakes into his administration – is he just keeping his enemies close?
Matthieu Baudin says
Where do you go from here? A hostile judiciary? Outdated law/constitution?
Are the Presidents hands similarly tied regarding deportations for law breakers amongst the migrants from militant Islamic countries?
gravenimage says
True, Alien Republican. I hope Trump continues to legally pursue his ban.
Alida says
I agree. Robert gives no evidence that this has occurred.
Michael Casmer says
Are they Christian or Muslim?
Lioness says
Exactly what I wanted to know. Maybe we can get the percentage before jumping to conclusions. Trump promised to bring in Christians, so lets find out what the numbers say. I also believe that mostly these Syrians were processed under Obama (which, unfortunately, means they are Muslins) and are just now coming in.
Alida says
Those illegals were from the Obama era. Trump didn’t bring them in… Obama did and i hate the fact that Jihad Watch wants to blame Trump for this. You’ve gone on the liberal side. I won’t be on this site again. I hope others do the same I am doing.. boycott Jihad Watch just like we boycott all fake news.
MTMLA says
I read somewhere that Trump is deporting 4000 Somalis. I wish he would deport all muslims. They are all over like ants. Yesterday I saw a muslim man with 4 grown up women. Must be his wives… and we are supporting them.
Avenger says
My God was I fooled by this asshole. When Trump started entertaining the likes of John McCain and Henry Kissinger I knew it was the real death knell of this Administration.
The “Deal Maker” my ass.
overman says
Yeah – Kissinger for God’s sake.
nomoreislamicstate says
Did he actually lie, or has he been threatened into submission?
Michael says
Well, the real powers to be will take out anybody, at any time. I think he’s caught in a very dangerous web. Trying to survive, for one. And trying to actually do what’s right for America.
If you’re surrounded by enemies, and you really have no one as an ally, you MUST work with your enemies. If you flat out oppose every one of them, you can accomplish nothing. Let alone stay alive.
My biggest concern for him, long before he was elected, was that if he did get elected, that he would never survive the 4 years if he attempted to do even a few of the things he talked about. I still have that concern for him. He is not safe and protected, by any means. People at that level are allowed to live, is my take on it, so long as they serve the puppet masters’ bidding.
I mean, you think about it, if we’re surrounded by enemies everywhere, what do you do? This is not private enterprise. All these people have power and agendas, work behind the scenes to undermine him. He’s having to develop a whole new set of negotiating skills. And he’s smart. I think he will.
But how much can he do? I don’t know. and have we all been conned? sometimes i sure think so. other times, I hope. i always hope. time will tell with him.
nomoreislamicstate says
I am betting he can do little or nothing at least of what he wanted to do. He will follow the wishes of the Illuminati or whatever you would like them to be called, or likely he and his family will suffer some consequences. The people who control the government have been in power for hundreds of years and have far more wealth and resources than Trump, not to mention they have placed people they control in most if not all controlling positions.
I think going into this presidency, he thought he had enough wealth and resources where he would be able to get rid of the corruption. Then he found out how deep it actually goes and now realizes he is in far too deep, either he can die trying to do what he wants, or he can live and do what “they” say.
Michael says
i agree, nomoreislamicstate. it’s why i understand that one man, or woman, can only do so much. but people have always underestimated him. we shall see. he’s about as savvy as anyone can be, i believe that. quite a brilliant man. he’s in deep waters. time will tell. he might just die trying, rather than give in. he’s not easily controlled. he’s figuring out the lay of the land, who’s with him, who’s not — which must be incredibly hard to tell. i’m pulling for him, believe me.
those forces you speak of — illuminati, and all the rest — are quite real! and as you said, they’ve been planning things for a long, long time.
hope still firmly in place …!
mousey says
You can’t stand for your position and fight if you don’t really , really know your position. If you mouth conservative ideas but don’t really know why a conservative stands for what he does, if you have no depth, you will just get used by the tricky ones who DO know what they stand for.
MTMLA says
I agree. I hope he’ll be safe. I don’t trust the ” elites”. They don’t like Trump and would love to see him gone by any means. Lets give him time and a chance to accomplish as much as he promised. He has tried to block the arrival of muslims from troubled nations, but the SC judge blocked him. So it’s not his fault, I think, that the numbers of rapefugees are so high. The blame falls on the judge and all the traitor politicians.
I didn’t agree with the bombing of Assad’s airplanes, though. ISIS and other terrorists must have felt very happy about it.
gravenimage says
Did everyone here forget that Trump had his travel ban blocked by the courts?
“Federal judge blocks new Trump travel ban”
https://www.jihadwatch.org/2017/03/federal-judge-blocks-new-trump-travel-ban
Really, this was less than a month ago, and is still in force. Syria is on the list.
I hope Trump continues to fight this.
Michael says
precisely, gravenimage. we are very, very early into this administration. we’re all impatient and scared over what’s happening. let’s hang in there.
salim says
gravenimage, The proposed ban wasn’t even as his supporters expected, probably because he doesn’t have the power to do better. I too supported Trump but he disappointed me. I didn’t like it when he met those Arab leaders especially when prince M Bin Salman described him as the Muslims’ best friend. When the Saudis are happy, I have reasons to worry.
By siding with Saudis against Assad, Trump takes the side of Islamic terrorists (ISIS and Nusra, both evil). We are supposed to be against Islam and its terrorists. Assad happens to be against them too. The enemy of my enemy is my friend, at least for now. Or as Churchill said when Britain helped Stalin in WW2: “If Hitler invades hell, the least I do is to make a good reference to the devil in the house of commons”.
gravenimage says
Salim, Trump just bombed ISIS:
“U.S. Drops ‘Mother of All Bombs’ on ISIS Caves in Afghanistan”
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/04/13/world/asia/moab-mother-of-all-bombs-afghanistan.html
With all respect, I think the idea that we have to pick sides in the Sunni/Shia split is mistaken. Both sides are Muslim, and neither wants good things for the “filthy Infidels”.
Michael says
gravenimage, that’s an excellent point about the two versions of Islam. as you note … they want us dead! they’re just trying to figure out who gets to be in charge of the killing, the booty, and the caliphate they hope to set up!
gravenimage says
True, Michael. Neither of them wish us “filthy Infidels” well.
overman says
lt really looks like Trump has totally lost control of lmmigration.
overman says
ln fact, deportation is the only solution IMO. Of course, they’ll riot in record numbers and civil war will probably ensue, but what else can you do with savages who will never integrate.
Trump’s got a lot on his plate at the moment. Four potential conflicts that could trigger WW111 – North Korea, Afghanistan, Syria and Russia. So, lmmigration will be on the back-burner for a while.
Michael says
as you say, overman, he has a LOT to deal with. and he is surrounded, swimming in, a sea of opposition. no easy task, in the best of times. time will tell. he cannot undo and reverse everything that has been in place for decades. and he can do very little by himself. His negotiation skills and deal making skills are put to tests he’s never experienced. he’s surrounded by people equally as powerful as him, and many are more powerful, with what they know and what they can do to sabotage him.
I hold out hope still. but he is opposed at every turn. his own party is a group of globalists.
i would love to see deportation begin, because as you say, overman, they would riot. and then war would break out, and in a sense, we could get on with this. Because it’s going to get violent one way or there other, or we just flat out submit and declare ourselves dhimmi — and i think there are a few of us who aren’t keen on that idea. We will not defeat Islam without violence. And a lot of it. The long the infiltration and subversion goes on — and it’s been going on for a long time, obviously — the more strength and control they acquire. Islam does not negotiate. Kill, or be killed.
good quote from the site themuslimissue.wordpress.com:
….eighty million were slaughtered and millions of women were raped…..it was standard practice for Islamic warlords like Ghori and Ghazni to unleash the mass rape and enslavement of hundreds of thousands of women after the slaughter of all males.
An extremely large percentage of Muslims in South Asia today are the progeny of forcible conversions and systematic rape campaigns by marauding Muslim invaders.
– Dr. Younis Shaikh
Pakistani medical doctor, human rights activist and freethinker.
common sense says
Micheal speaks the truth of the matter. I doubted Trump before and was proven wrong, the guy is a machine, push push push until he gets what he wants. Make American, American again, I’d settle for that in the next 4 years.
t. says
Thanks Michael, for sharing with us this important information.
Michael says
t and common sense, thank you. and my thanks to Robert, and all who share here. I have been very, very slow to realize what Islam is. I’m much clearer now … thanks to brilliant and passionate men and women on this site who have given me a tremendous education in short order.
gravenimage says
Thanks, Michael.
MTMLA says
Please, Jihad Watch community, read THE MYTH OF THE ANDALUSIAN PARADISE, by Dario Fernandez-Morera. It reveals the myth of a tolerant, all inclusive, diverse society under the islamic caliphate in Spain, which the academics and politicians frequently lie about. It is a window to what is to come if and when the muslims succeed in conquering the west and the Christian nations, thanks to the traitor politicians, media and the zomby ( the ignorant – in denial ) public. We see a lot of actions then as repeated by ISIS. The apologists call them extreme, but they are the norms dictated by Islam. Don’t let them fool you.
Excellent and very informative book.
Michael says
MTMLA, thanks for the recommendation of the book. I’ll read that. I very much appreciate any and all recommendations to further my badly needed education on all of this.
gravenimage says
+1
ktchnsnk says
They’ve (temporarily?) delayed his first 2 attempts to slow it down, including stopping those who already hold visas.
I’m guessing and hoping that it is only these visa-holders who are now getting in.
If it turns out that he is willingly bringing in NEW rapefugees I will have to sadly admit I was wrong.
Vyx says
Are they Christian or Muslim?
overman says
Good question. Probably muslim if Robert has posted about it.
Michael says
the Christians are deliberately abandoned, so they can be destroyed. The truly persecuted, the Christians, are systematically left. no quotas for Christians … but lots of quotas for young male Muslims … Destruction of Christianity has long been the target. It stands in the way of that new world order.
the rape by these animals who do come in, is part of their forced breeding, part of what the Koran instructs — just a part, of course, comprehensive as it is in how and when and where to kill people.
gravenimage says
Trump said that he would give Christian refugees priority. Let’s hope he is able to do so.
Michael says
if he did, he would probably have THAT order blocked … discriminating against the young male Muslims just champing at the bit to get over here to see who can rob, rape, torture, and murder …
Hmmm … young Muslim males … or Christians?
Hmmm … young Muslim rapists and murderers … or Christians who actually practice kindness?
Hmmm … young Muslim murderers, liars, and thieves … or … Christians who love freedom, and will work when they get here, and will value life?
Muslims, of course! … to date. I sure hope that changes. I wish it had changed already, and they were top of the list for immigrants into the U.S.
gravenimage says
Yes–I’m sure there will be resistance from the hard Left in giving threatened Christians sanctuary.
MTMLA says
I read somewhere that Trump was going to change the priority to Christians, as opposed to Odumbo who brought in mostly muslims rapefugees, around 98% and very few Christians.
BlueRaven says
Here is the key to this misleading Headline – “As president he signed executive orders temporarily halting refugee admittance from all nations, with the first one he signed banning Syrian refugee resettlement indefinitely. However, both of these actions were halted by the courts.”
It is the Courts that halted the stop to the influx. President Trump is absolutely furious about this crazy decision by the the courts.
As a President, he can do his best try to stop the influx – he is doing his utmost best to keep his promise.
mousey says
the courts are out of control. I don’t feel trump’s fury, to me it feels like he folded…oh the travel ban didn’t go well so let me distance myself from bannon. Where’s his fighting spirit?
In california the courts are also trying to block executive order to stop $$ from going to sanctuary cities.
And if they win, is trump going to go on the rampage or just fold?
Michael says
mousey, I understand what you’re saying. the thing is, rage won’t get him far. deals will. and backroom deals. it’s how politics works.
he’s dealing with so many fronts at once, and people want it all dealt with right away. not happening. won’t happen. as some have said, if he accomplished even half of what he promised, it would be a miracle. that’s politics.
we have to hope he maintains his integrity, the integrity we hoped and believe he has. and can figure out how play this game without getting killed, and still work FOR America. i think we have very little idea what he is up against and the forces lined up against him. against anyone who goes against a very long planned out agenda for a one world government.
mousey says
thanks michael, yes fury was by itself not what i meant, it was in relation to blueravens “…trump is absolutely furious…” and my thought is that he may not be as furious as blueravens thinks. Trump’s doing good things for sure, but who are ivanka, kushner, dina powell (buddies with valerie jarrett –LIVING at obama’s at the moment!) gary cohn…
mousey says
and 2 days ago spicer says “…you can’t have a peaceful syria with assad in charge…”
So whoever these people are controlling things in the white house now, they are the same people, or people with the same ideas, as before trump. I challenge you to watch this video of women in syria talking, and tell me the people of syria will be better off if assad is forced out or killed: http://theduran.com/syrians-tell-their-stories-to-western-audiences-who-think-they-know-better-video/
we should be backing assad. Name one person better to run syria.
gravenimage says
By default, mousey, there is probably no one in the region who is any better.
mousey says
hello gravenimage,
…no one any better, and lots that would be very very much worse.
what do you think of Mike Cernovich’s take on mcmaster and petraeus and susan rice…and syria:
LetsTalkCandidly says
The headline for this story is purposely deceptive. How can you hold TRUMP responsible for “settling refugees” when he is being prevented from stoppng them by the courts? According to this article 44% less would be streaming in now from the most dangerous countries if the lower federal courts weren’t salted with hundreds of Obama stooges.
common sense says
Correctamundo! Robert is bored today or just testing our loyalty to the be POTUS.
Kiel says
The facts are simple, never in the history of these United States has there been a more blatant all out effort and agenda to ruin the Presidency… The DEEP STATE in cooperation with the Uber alt Left MSM, the Democratic Party, and the International Oligarchical Corpocracy (the globalist NWO), as well as all the Hollyweird Snowflakes, as misinformed as they ALL are, and as Seditious as they have become, are in fact guiding America to the next Civil War.
Who overruled President Trump on the first days on immigration issues? The Courts!
Mark DeFord Eletion says
Trump has found out that being elected doesn’t automatically give a new president the ability to do very much. His mistake was in trying to get his agenda implemented before he had control of the administration, especially the state dept., and the judiciary.
Those damn so-called judges had zero jurisdiction over the president’s immigration orders. They should have been placed in gov’t custody for their own (and the USA’s) protection, and investigated for ties to foreign powers.
Michael says
In the end, we are our only hope. No matter what Trump does, or doesn’t do, the fight is on us. People are (I hope and believe) waking up, seeing, questioning, going what the hell is going on here.
Trump is, contrary to many’s opinion, nobody’s fool … again, I hope so. Let’s give him time, continue the push on whatever fronts we can. Any positive changes he can bring about are a plus. Are we being played? I continue to think not … though he is just one player in a huge game that has been going on for a long, long time.
mousey says
hmmm, but i’m disappointed by a lot of what i’m hearing coming out of the mouths of the people he’s surrounding himself with.
Michael says
mousey, yes. disappointed to say the least, very alarmed is more like it.
i think of it this way.
you’re in a room full of people. everyone of them wants to undermine you, take you down. their agenda is not yours. And these are the ONLY people you have to work with to get done what you really want to get done. a bunch of enemies to lesser and greater degrees.
yes, one or two exceptions. maybe 3 or 4. and another 100 you MUST work with to accomplish your goals. and those 100 have far more power than you do on your own. and your 3 or 4 true allies? not enough.
You see Obama holdovers, McCain, Paul Ryan. the obvious traitors. and greater traitors and lesser traitors to America, but all traitors to the notion of America as a sovereign and free nation.
You have people coming at you from every direction. countless issues and crises. no rest. it’s why he works ’til 2 or 3 in the morning, and gets up at 5. this is his work ethic for real, by the way. a 70 year old man whose life hangs in the balance, and that of his family. he could’ve ditched all this and built a few more hotels and golf courses (he still probably will! … lol) ….
So … you don’t like these people at all. But you must work WITH them, or at least appear to, or be ready to compromise in big ways, to get what you want. politics is ALL about compromise, at the least.
Does he embrace Kissinger? McCain? does he love these people? has he caved in to them? Not necessarily at all. but it’s a game, the highest stakes game anyone can play.
and unlike when he was running his empire, he could hire and fire people at will. he can’t fire these people. way different rules here.
as they say, the proof is in the pudding. we’ll see what the results of it all are. in time. we look for cues and signs. i just keep hoping like hell that he’s a truly good man who wants America to truly be great again. I do believe that about him. I have to trust that he is doing what he thinks is right and best, for now. and remember, he’s not a lifelong politician. the learning curve for him has been monumentally huge.
and remember, too: so many people hate him and want him dead because … well, he’s not one of them. he speaks a different language. he talks of different goals. he wouldn’t be universally reviled and hated and attacked, if he wasn’t doing something they didn’t like … something actually good for America …!
i understand that I may be completely naive in all this, too. there’s part of me that will always believe in the good, and that we can do this thing!
fingers crossed, hopes held firmly in place!
mousey says
yes, i see your point michael. I can’t imagine how awful it would be to have to be in his position. But he’s not forced to give kushner dude so much say. He’s not forced to hire, for example, dina powell. Ok she speaks arabic that’s good, and repubs and dems both like her, i guess that’s good.??? But i’ve heard she’s pals with valerie jerrett, and ms jerrett is living at obama’s house right now. So what’s up with that? Dina is in a cfr video. I don’t know anything, but CFR? It sure isn’t who i’d pick to listen to. No one is forcing him to surround himself with who he’s surrounding himself with. I don’t like his choices.
Michael says
mousey, you point out things i didn’t know (which is why i love this site; talk about crash course in learning). not exactly comforting.
realistically, i don’t know how he’s not either controlled, or as DFD says, compromised. You just don’t get to that place without people wanting you there. the right people. Look at Obama. he seemingly came out of nowhere. like, who IS this guy? some nondescript done-nothing senator, his personal records hidden, on and on. he amasses I believe like $700 million for his campaign — c’mon. who’s behind him?
i find it all fascinating to try to understand. and each day, i learn new pieces — the details you share, and plenty of others share. I don’t feel like I’m quite the same guy I was before I found jihadwatch!
thanks for everything you post, mousey!
gravenimage says
The problem is that while Trump’s instincts about Islam being a threat are pretty good, he is not actually all that knowledgeable about it. Hence, we have wound up with a large number of the same sort of incoherent goons that have long been around.
I have to admit this does not surprise me–I assumed at least some of this would happen.
This does not mean I am not disappointed, though. Probably still much better than the alternative would have been.
People should do everything they can to educate the president–enough letters on the subject is bound to get attention.
Michael says
thank you, gravenimage. It seemed Bannon was pretty aware of Islam and the threat. That Bannon appears to have been shuffled off to the side, doesn’t seem to be a good sign. Many forces at work, I know, and we see only a little bit of it all. I do wish Bannon was right there with Trump. He seemed to be THE major voice for keeping America sovereign, and identifying Islam for what it is.
gravenimage says
Yes–I find the indications that Bannon is being sidelined disturbing, as well.
Jack says
Trump should have called on Congress to impeach those judges for violating the Constitution but he did nothing other than appeal. Maybe now that Gorsuch is on the Supreme Court Trump will overturn the judge’s ruling.
mousey says
yes, jack, that’s sorta what i’m thinking…. at least he could keep calling attention to the problem of out of hand judges, ’cause now all you hear is how it was a big blunder and etc etc, That’s all you hear because he’s not vocal about the wrongness of these judges. He’s not saying, hey press we’ve let 1400 syrian refugees in, and 85% of those are young men…or whatever, and you know everyday we’re adding to big bad problems down the line. I don’t hear everything he says, but is he even saying anything about it?
Guest says
He’s been trying to keep them out but those moronic judges have been stopping him at every turn
common sense says
OH PULL IT TOGETHER!
Trump has tried twice now, the travel restriction and indefinite ban on refugees will go through.
Rex T, the State dept and immigrations customs enforcement are not about to defy a court order no matter how flagrant and erroneously dangerous. Not in this climate, do it by the book, we are winning most everything else. Let Rice and Clinton burn to the ground that’s how THEY operate.
This article seeks to place blame on Trump for the refugees that have been admitted in the last 85 days when TRUMP was the one WHO TRIED TO STOP IT.
“there is no reliable way to vet the refugees and screen out jihadis from among them. And now the responsibility for that is yours”.
NO! they are not, it’s the responsibility of the epically dangerous policy of the previous administration that Trump was unable to stop so far.
I DID NOT SEE ONE POLLITICIAN EVEN TRY TO DO WHAT HE HAS. OBAMA AND HIS CRONIES ARE THE TRAITORS TO THIS COUNTRY. ALL TALK AND NO ACTION!
Magali Marc says
I agree with you! Trump did what he could to reverse Obama’s policy.
These days I get a sense that Mr Spencer has turned against Trump (since the bombing of Syria) why?
There are limits to what he can do from the WH.
The Courts are independent in the US.
I would like Mr Spencer to tell us if the «extreme vetting» is being achieved ? Has Trump reversed Obama’s decision to accept mostly Muslims as opposed to Christians?
AleX says
Good to see there are still sane people trusting the present potus.
The allegiance is for the change in this present format. Whoever doubts the outcome is not ready for the change.
The change is possible only under this presidency.
Dawn says
You all know your judges are the cause they blick his orders every time.
Michael says
no kidding, Dawn. He’s tried, twice, to stop the flow of immigrants from the Middle East. the issue is not dead. But when you opposed by almost all politicians, and by the legal system — well, this one does not fall on him, for everything I can see.
Richie says
I am officially off the Trump train. Trump played the same game as Mitt Romney but fooled more people
Michael Ray says
A bit fickle no? Consider that this retirement age billionare has no need to do this at all. What could Mr. Trump stand to gain taking on the most difficult of jobs in the midst of a snake pit? Perhaps he could be given our tireless support and gratitude for awhile.
Michael says
agreed, Michael Ray. well said.
by the way, that’s my middle name, as well … Funny to see ‘my name’ with your comment.
No name better, I also would say.
Henner720 says
Its politics. He needs dems to refute obamacare, he buy and sell to get it. Dems get some syrians.. he get the votes. Vet them though.hard.
annmarie says
Trump is fighting an uphill battle. He needs the American people to help any way we can.
dumbledoresarmy says
Join ACT for America if you’re not already in it.
Make it stronger and more numerous. Do what you can at the grassroots – right down at county level – as well as further up the line.
gravenimage says
Trump bringing in Syrian refugees at more than twice the rate Obama did
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OK–*this* is disturbing.
“Bad, bad things are gonna happen” is certainly correct. Let’s hope Trump can finally get his ban enacted.
Ashley says
Discouraging news indeed. The ONLY appeal I had for Trump was his strong rhetoric and platform towards reckless immigration policies that threaten this country.
What will it take for these courts to take action and implement the ban?
Another 9/11?
Jeanette says
Any judges who are (or fancy themselves) members of the globalist elite would approve of another 9/11, as part of the larger U.N. Agenda 2030 global depopulation plan.
gravenimage says
Jeanette, I know you have said many times here that UN Agenda 2030 authorizes wiping out most of the world’s population. I have read the full agenda, and find it concerningly socialist, and a blueprint for income redistribution–things I do *not* support–but can find nothing in it sanctioning genocide. Do you have more information?
Michael says
gravenimage, just a side comment.
I’ve been having a brief conversation with someone who leans left. My own comments, and hers, made me remark that what happens when we don’t have facts, we resort to emotion. We demonize ‘the other side.’ Far stronger and better and more honest, and effective, to discuss things based on facts.
You don’t demonize groups. I appreciate that. You are loaded with facts, and they are powerful ones. Our best ammunition in this fight, barring civil war, is facts. When I find myself wanting to attack, I find that that is when I am short on facts. And I don’t like doing that. It simply makes the divide bigger. We’re not going to bring anybody over to the side of freedom, and the fight against Islam and all it stands for and does, by personal attacks.
My thanks for continuing to share knowledge and history with us.
gravenimage says
Thank you so much, Michael. I think it is very important to marshal facts in any situation. Re the threat of Islam, we definitely have the facts on our side.
At the same time, I don’t think that righteous anger over the vicious atrocities of Islam is amiss, either–nor is compassion for the poor victims of Islam. We just don’t want to let emotion overwhelm us.
Always good to correspond with you, Michael.
Tim says
In all fairness, Congress has blocked his Muslim ban policy. That’s why they are pouring in. Obama signed the useless rule in place right before leaving office, to take in thousands of Muslims.
Michael says
isn’t it funny, Tim? allow in the enemy, the infiltrators, the haters of America …
Obama was a traitor of the highest order, and truly should meet the fate of such a traitor.
dumbledoresarmy says
Then pressure needs to be applied to CONGRESS.
To every Congressperson.
They must be briefly, politely, repeatedly put on notice that you expect and ultimately want ALL Muslim entry to be banned, because… got Muslims? – got Jihad. Got Muslims? – 9/11, Fort Hood, Boston Bombing, San Bernardino, Orlando… list a bunch of these attacks, plus about a dozen of the fortunately-foiled or fortunately-failed… then ask your congresscritter, point blank, how many more of these Acts of Islamic Warfare do you want on US soil? Want more? Let in more Muslims. Want fewer? Stop letting in Muslims.
Contact ACT for America, too and ask them what they are doing to press for the ban to be applied… and, preferably, in time, as the system ‘gets used to it’, EXTENDED to cover all OIC countries.
no_one says
Trump is a lame duck president already. He is loosing his supporters. I am about to leave the Trump train.
common sense says
With all due respect no_one; in a fire fight vs jihadis would you leave the battlefield (with everyone on JW in the trench next you) because the previous dip shot commander pulled our air support and left a Captain behind that purposely jammed the new commanders signal to call in new air support? A commander that actually wants what you do and one that you were able to elect?
He is trying his very best and there are things I DO not like about Trump. This situation is the best we got.
Thanks for the good Friday post and Happy Easter.
gravenimage says
In favor of *what*, no_one? Trump has shown that he is trying to get the Muslim ban enacted–do you know of anyone else who is apt to try to do this? Give the ban your support; don’t give up.
eduardo odraude says
77% of 14,000 is much larger than 44% of 10,000. So Trump seems to have reduced intake of Muslims from about 11,000 down to about 4,400. Those of us who don’t want a totalitarian culture growing here in the US know he has to do better, but he’s evidently made a big improvement, cutting intake by more than half.
dumbledoresarmy says
Yes.
The Islamosavvy need to think about a flanking movement; keeping up the pressure on ALL the *other* elected officials, in the Senate and the Congress, and also at State level – governors and legislators.
And start thinking, hard, about how one tackles the *unelected* – the Islamoinfiltrated ‘civil service’/ bureaucracy/ diplomatic corps.
eduardo odraude says
77% of 14,000 is much larger than 44% of 10,000. So Trump seems to have reduced intake of Muslims from about 11,000 down to about 4,400. Those of us who don’t want a totalitarian culture growing here in the US know he has to do better, but he’s evidently made a big improvement, cutting intake by more than half.
gravenimage says
Good.
dumbledoresarmy says
eduardo – you should contact him/ his team, and say exactly what you just said here.
Guarded encouragement, along the lines of “now that’s a start, but we expect better down the line”.
And – if you’re religiously observant – PRAY for him. Pray for clarity, for wisdom, for focus, and for *spiritual and physical protection* from the Mohammedan plotters and cursers, especially those embeded within the system, and their heavily-dhimmified enablers who swarm in Washington-DC.
DFD says
More on Trump
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It has been said that Trump doesn’t need Soros because Trump is so rich. Well, first of all, compared with Soros Trump is a pauper. Secondly, Trump spoke heavily against the “establishment”, effectively stating that he is an enemy of it. This is odd, Trump was borne very rich by normal standards, he inherited dozens of millions. He was educated in the best places, among members and scions of “the establishment”, which he proclaimes to oppose.
What is even stranger is the fact that he was declared, or declared himself, several times during his financial career, to be bankrupt. If normal or ordinary people are bankrupt, it is very, very difficult to restart a business, to say the least. Donald Trump? No problem, each time he received millions of dollars in loans to restart. That implies that banks, financiers and investment funds are either extremely goodhearted and kind people, or that Trump enjoys a super cosy relationship with such people or institutions. That is to say institutions and people, i.e. banks, financiers and investment companies, who are the bedrock, the foundation of “the establishment”. Could of course be that when Trump asked them for a loan that they thought: “What a jolly good fellow! Just bankrupted and now he needs millions, well, let him have these! Why not?” Though, somehow I doubt that, call it a hunch.
So, he comes to power, with the help of Steve Bannon, who is above doubt and suspicion when it comes to be conservatively minded, and above all: Anti Islam. And Islam is a fear very much in the hearts and minds of the Americans – and not just them, all western peoples. And Trump makes plenty of reference to that, Islam and terrorism. And all that what he will do about it.
So he is in power. What does he do? After about two months or so, Bannon gets sidelined. And could well be on his way out. Then comes something a lot of people would call Nepotism, at least if it were to occur in a third world country. Two family members get key positions, plus another key position for an in-law. That comes on top of Trump appointing four bankers, Goldman Sachs no less(!), into his cabinet, one of which is ex-Soros. Ex-Soros? Oh dear… Further, Trump’s business arrangements should be held at, what lawyers call, ‘arms length’ to avoid a conflict of interest, while Trump holds office. Usually that’s done via at least one firm of reputable accountants or lawyers, if not several in conjunction, if the office held is of some import. In Trumps case that usus is ignored, instead, his son is appointed to run his business. I am sure though that Trump jnr. Will ignore any of his father’s wishes and concerns, and run his father’s business so that there will be no conflict of interests. After all, Trump jnr. Will have no interest in his father’s financial support, nor will it matter to him that he will one day inherit a share of his father’s wealth, won’t interest him at all, will it? Am I writing about the US or Nigeria? Ah yeah, the US, now I remember.
The in-law. Jared Kushner, now serving as an adviser to Donald trump. Jared’s in the real estate business and managed to secure some very good loans. He and his brother’s (Josh Kushner) company called “Cadre” was founded in 2014, just three years ago, so far they raised well over 100milion dlrs. Not bad, hmh? Just like that, they must have a fantastic sales spiel! Or could there be another reason? For instance, that they have a most excellent credit line somewhere else? How about George Soros? Who, it has been stated, had a long and productive relationship with the Kushner family. Neat no? Gets even neater, trust me. For now, this Jared Kushner who is adviser to the president is married to the president’s daughter, also adviser to the president, or something similar. NO! I am, not writing about Nigeria!
I am writing about the anti-establishment man Donald Trump.
But let’s not be rush. Let us ask instead, who advises the advisers – good question, don’t you think? Ivanka Trump gets good advice, from a very experienced and knowledgeable person, by name of Jamie Gorelick. Who just so happened to have been a fixture with the Clinton’s and Obama’s… Pure coincidence, I am sure. Of course, Gorelick’s appointment and presence confirm Trump’s stand against the establishment, and how he is concerned for the people – which ones though? Gorelick is of course above all suspicions, she was on Obama’s team, donated $10,000 to Obama’s campaign and was considered to head the FBI, under Obama, naturally. And she achieved quite a few things, see links. Under Clinton for instance Ms. Gorelick was on the board of the Federal National Mortgage Association. Oh dear, real estate! Money, mortgages… Who could think bad about this? Further, her law firm, WilmerHale, defends Saudi royalty against suits by 9/11 families, terrorists, etc. She was also vetting Hillary’s **future** cabinet members, and is on the board of the “Center for American Progress”. BTW, she is also Jared Kushner’s lawyer. No problem there, since Jared Kushner is Ivanka’s husband and Gorelick is Ivanka’s lawer too… Why do I keep on thinking about Nigeria? Oh well. Anything else about such charming, grey eminence?
I quote from “The American Thinker” (link later): ……. “The Mistress of Disaster.”
Some recent highlights. In 2014, it was revealed that the George Soros funded “Urban Institute” had an officially sanctioned role in the vetting of non-profits that seek tax-exempt status through the IRS. Gorelick was the vice-chairman of the Urban Institute.
In 2011, she represented Duke University in its attempt to squash a suit by lacrosse team members whose lives had been turned upside down by false rape accusations that the university aided and abetted. In 2010, Gorelick represented BP in the Deepwater Horizon oil mess. It gets worse, much worse.
In 1993, as **deputy attorney general** under President Clinton, Gorelick served as ***field commander*** for the horrific government assault on a religious community in Waco, Texas, that left more than eighty dead, twenty of them children.
In 1995, she went on to pen the infamous “wall” memo that prevented the FBI and CIA from sharing information in the run-up to September 11. At the time, a dismayed FBI investigator wrote a memo to headquarters which included the sentence, “Someday someone will die – and wall or not – the public will not understand why we were not more effective.”
…………………. Unquoting The American Thinker
What has Trump so far achieved? He removed from power the man many think gave him victory, Steve Bannon. And the trust in him was transferred by many voters onto Trump – who doesn’t need that man, Steve Bannon, any more. Conversely, he placed into positions of power those who he says he opposes. He actually increased their power, appointing them into his cabinet, and gave them influence over himself. Anti Islam measures? One watered down Obama proposal. Travel ban… Though, he already assured sharia-May of Britain, that Britain will be excluded from such ban. Britain is part of the common wealth which is not Islamic, but just so happens to be to a large extent Islamic. And many of the common wealth countries are very receptive to other Islamic countries. His attacks on ISIS, non-existent, though he drooped a bunker busting bomb from a transport plane upon a tunnel arrangement of some ISIS troops. No, not in Syria/Iraq, but in Afghanistan – I have to admit, that’s a better target than the North Pole, and very photogenic in addition. And the nickname of the weapon, ‘Mother Of All Bombs’, wow, how impressive.
How about ISIS in Syria? He bombed the Syrians who are actually fighting against ISIS. This happened after he saw some photos of Refugees holding up pictures of babies at the border crossings in Europe – Oh shit! Wrong baby pictures! Sorry about that. So, after he saw the baby pictures shown by ISIS in Syria, he decided to attack Syria itself. Where Assad, in an act of total stupidity supposedly bombed his own people with a gas he does not possess, but Turkey does. This being an exact action replay of a proven false flag operation from 2013, where again Turkey was involved with the same type of gas.
Encore!
So, in summary, George Soros is to be congratulated, he covered all angles, all sides; never mind who makes it to the oval office. Trump? No doubt, his real estate business will go from prosperity to even more prosperity, and his son surely learns how to run such a business – without consulting his father. Perhaps with the help of his brother in law? Nahh, he wouldn’t talk to him, would he? After all, his job is to keep his father’s real estate business away from his father, whilst he is in office. And the fact that his sister, who is in office with his father, is married to another real estate guy, who is also in office with his father, that couldn’t… Bloody hell, why do I keep on thinking about Nigeria?
Good luck America, you’ll need it. So do we.
Links:
americanthinker.com/articles/2017/01/jared_kushner_beware_of_jamie_gorelick.html
debbieschlussel.com/84530/why-is-ivanka-trump-consorting-with-clintonistaobamanik-jamie-gorelick/
therealdeal.com/2017/01/27/george-soros-is-the-secret-financier-behind-kushner-backed-startup-cadre/
patdollard.com/exposed-george-soross-long-and-productive-relationship-with-jared-kushner-includes-new-250-million-investment/
And again:
breitbart.com/big-government/2017/04/14/soros-financed-groups-unite-sue-trump-white-house-visitor-logs/
Enjoy……………….
(By God Himself: I hope, nay pray, that I am, wrong!)
Michael says
DFD, to say you write a fascinating encapsulation of many things affecting all of this, is an understatement.
I trust you’ve seen the movie Enemy of the State, will Will Smith and Gene Hackman, among others. You strike as Gene Hackman. And that is a compliment of the highest order.
I am not nearly as knowledgeable as you on these things. However, post 9-11, I began to do some research into things. My son, in particular, went whole hog into looking into all of it. In short order, I saw pretty much that whatever we see, it’s — not exactly an illusion, but there for public consumption. Meanwhile, the real dealings go on behind closed doors, and most of us have little to zero idea of what all goes on. You are an exception.
So around 2004, I pretty much gave up looking at it all. Quit watching Fox, quit listening to the talk radio guys. I figured the fix was in, it’s always been in, and will always be in. Basically. This is all f-ed. We are basically f-ed. And I shut off from everything political. Not entirely. I couldn’t help but despair when Obama got in, not once, but twice. Hell, I despaired during Bush’s tenure. He obviously was part and parcel of it all.
Along comes a man who talks different. Who says the things many of us say and feel. A friend and I would say that Trump says out loud, what we say in private. I had this stirring of hope. I hated to feel it, really. I hated to be fooled again. I hated to hope for what I hoped for, knowing what I knew, as relatively little as it was.
I don’t mind being disabused of my hopes. I really don’t. I much prefer the truth, so I can figure out where to focus my energies. I get caught up, have gotten caught up, in the hope of perhaps one man who is different.
But I have figured all along — wished it weren’t so — that he was put in office over Hillary, to carry out an agenda. And somehow it has to do with co-opting the right. Not sure how. But how did the agenda need Trump vs. Hillary? How was he better suited to do what Hillary could do? Had Hillary become not as controllable? Had she gotten too full of herself? something went amiss. Or perhaps having her in there would be too obvious in some way.
In ’96, my wife at the time and I bought a home. Living next door was a fellow who was a genius in most ways. He had worked for the military, had highly classified clearance. He said then that the military was being trained for war in the streets here, to fight their own. I always remembered that.
I figure that it will come to the streets soon enough, all the violence. Civil war, outbreaks everywhere, military law, god knows what else. It’s like we sit on a tinder box, and it takes little to light it. And the powers that be will decide when to light it, if it serves their interest.
I don’t consider this a jaded view. It seems realistic enough. And I say it not without hope. Though I don’t say it with a hopeful spirit, either, that it will come to this.
I would be very interested to hear where you think all this is leading, if you don’t mind sharing.
All that said, again, thank you for everything you share. I actually get excited reading it all — it’s like, g-damn it, give me the f-ing truth, whatever it is! And you do.
And, DFD — or should I call you Gene Hackman? — you are one hell of a writer.
DFD says
Thanks Michael,
Have you read by now about the school, are you ready for the next bit? I am actually writing about and on the civil wars, how they develop and the backgrounds to these. I need to establish a website, haven’t done that before.
I was intrigued about you, advertising man, and knowing the import of words. Why? Quoting from memory of Mein Kampf: “…there is nothing as powerful and moving as the spoken word. No pamphlet and no poster is able to move people and to reach into the hearts as does the spoken word….” Unquote.
An excerpt from my writings on the civil wars is here https://www.jihadwatch.org/2017/04/eu-tells-hungary-and-poland-accept-mass-migration-or-leave/comment-page-1#comment-1646292
You will have to scroll down a bit to the section titled “The Rise of the Führers”. It is lengthy and requires reading, and it’s only a fraction of what I write about. Just a small excerpt.
So, if you are through with the School., let me know, then the real horror starts, Hooton and all that…
Further, I believe we should talk directly, if you agree, perhaps you can ask Robert Spencer to forward your email address to me, or to disclose your email address to me. Then I can contact you directly, and we can have an interesting exchange of ideas. Just a suggestion, if not interested, please forgive me.
Kind regards, DFD
Michael says
DFD, I’m ready for more. Finishing the Frankfurt School tonight.
My email is michaelrbuley@comcast.net. You are very welcome to write to me directly there.
gravenimage says
DFD, I know you ave been upset when I have questioned the wisdom of abandoning civilized democracy in favor of a Führer, but I have to do so.
And I know you have scoffed at the idea that Hitler admired Islam, but I’m afraid this is amply documented.
I am also surprised to see you sneer at the idea of Western values–just because they have not always been practiced by all Westerners does not mean that they do not exist, or that they are not worth defending.
common sense says
Hi DFD please read this is some insight to the American mind on what you have said, with all respect of course.
The 9th court circuit judges blocked the travel ban and indefinite ban on refugees to make it all nice and purdy? That would be crazy.
Bannon was excused from a deputy national advisory role. He is still Trump’s chief political advisor.
Trump believes he hired business people that also know how to interact with the gov’t regardless of their past and I would legitimize that some of the infighting we hear about is indeed over Bannon’s probable objections to those appointments. Most likely this why he was excused from national security advisements, his sober view of Islam, everyone knows it.
The MOAB was WAY over hyped neocon bs I do agree and Syria is Assad/Putin’s word against the US military’s and the UK of which I know also have a few saying it was a false flag.
Trump said time and again on the campaign that he knows many of polliticians and business people and that he could do a better job than they. He knows the game and is part of it he told us ppint blank so and I totally understand whereypu are coming from, I get it.
I appreciate your citation I however already knew what I was getting into with Trump. He stated again and again that he is ONLY ONE that could do this and that Hillary was truly the puppet. I think he knows it like you stated it and is fighting globalists all the way for America to stay America. I watched every millimeter of the campaign because of Trump (and I hated the pretentious apprentice show).since I have not voted for a primary party candidate since 92′. The US could really use this guy even if the fix is in on foreign policy.
Trump can do a better job than all the other hacks who are hollowed out empty suits AT LEAST for domestic America and our economy. This Islam problem is out of most people’s control including Muslims yet I see Trump speaking the same language, he is a fat cat to be sure but not a liar like Clinton and Barry.
Many do I agree that Ivanka was a bad move no matter how capable especially due to Jarods’ presence and if you are saying this is all a laid plan to lead us along I actually read about it before the primary was completed in July.
And all the riots, republican resistance to Trump, the lies about him raping women was all a set up? On that I think not and I think NO WAY to Hillary. They really do hate tbe guy and his ability to wrestle their power away from them blow for blow. Do you know how refreshing it is to hear and someone call out Barry, that bitch and her husband over and over? It was epic I just hope he does not drink his own kool aid.
If Trumps being had we can take it at face value (as in us vs them) and I can take it like a man if Im disastrously wrong. I still support the man for at least he IS a man even having already have known there are things as you suggest here that I do not like about him.
I really enjoy your posts immensely DFD they are thought provoking, please see that I don’t completely disagree with everything you say. I have British, Irish, Swedish and German friends so this whole subject is atomically magnifying to me and whatever I can squeeze out of it and pass along is very beneficial to those around us even if its just simple peace of mind.
Happy Easter.
common sense says
Pardon the phone typos please.
Pain in the…. to type on the fly
I think I was trying to say is that most Americans know Trump is a ‘rogue elitist’ who sees what’s happening and understands there won’t be a Trump legacy or anything else American left if he did not step in. That’s my hope anyway.
DFD says
common sense
Thanks for your reply. I will elaborate on it, but it is getting late and I am getting tired, 11:30pm UK time. But quickly, that the courts have blocked even the watered down version of the travel ban means nothing. If it would have gotten through or not. The courts having blocked it shows him actually in a better light. Either way a win-win for Trump.
How useless that ban is, in reality, can be seen from the exception of the UK. As I said, we are part of the common wealth, and that means a lot of Muslim countries have unrestricted access to the UK. Those Muslim countries in turn are of course linked with other Muslim countries (non common wealth). Result, it’s open doors for Muslims via Britain into the US – and Europe.
The ban with Europe by Sharia-May? Non-sense! I am sorry to say. It will affect primarily (eastern) European Christians, and a handful of eastern European Muslims. The bulk of the Muslim influx will continue unabatedly. Unfortunately.
common sense says
I understand DFD thanks for the to and fro, even Fox news challenges that the travel ban may be useless for all the potential jihadis that may come from GB. Happy good friday!
Mac-101 says
Excellent article DFD. I hadn’t known about Gorelick and her father-in-law frightening against the 911 families and her frightening against the wrongfully persecuted Duke Lacrosse players. Is their one person of any influence that Soros doesn’t have on his payroll?
DFD says
To Mac-101
Thanks. You asked: “… Is their one person of any influence that Soros doesn’t have on his payroll?”
Bloody good question!
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As far as W. Europe and the US are concerned, I suppose there could be some. Think of a number between 5 and 10… 🙂
DFD says
for common sense
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Thanks for your Easter Wishes, and I return these with pleasure.
May I take you up on a few points you made? Before doing so, please note that I am not hostile to you, or your people. And indeed, I too had great hopes in Trump, as should be evident from my previous posts a while ago; our situation (Europe) is perhaps even more desperate than yours, or in likelihood it actually is. About that later. To commence….
You said: “…Bannon was excused from a deputy national advisory role…”
– Answer – Yes, but he didn’t want to be excused. That makes a difference.
You said: “…Trump believes he hired business people that also know how to interact with the gov’t regardless of their past…”
– Answer – Yes, but Goldman Sachs and Soros?!?!? When you hire someone you ask for a CV, in order to find out if you have the right person, by know-how/ability ***AND*** by attitude. What attitude can he expect from Goldman Sachs and Soros? He can’t be that naïve.
You said: “….however already knew what I was getting into with Trump. He stated again and again that he is ONLY ONE that could do this and that Hillary was truly the puppet….”
– Answer – Yes, of course, he positioned himself as the anti-Hillary/Obama. Defender of the regular people and small businesses, unconnected with the Washington swamp. That’s what got him votes. If he would have trotted down the same avenue, why should people vote for him? So that statement was mere electioneering. BTW, if he wanted to help small business and the “regular Joe”, I don’t think that the Goldman Sachs and Soros people are particularly useful for such aims and tasks. Do you?
You said: “….I think he knows it like you stated it and is fighting globalists all the way for America to stay America …”
– Answer – I have great difficulties to see him having done ***anything*** to fight globalists. He doesn’t even mention them. I remember ‘Wild Bill’s’ song/comment (google him up, you can’t be more American than him) to Soros: “Watch out Soros! There’s a new Sheriff in town!” Against Wild Bill’s hopes, have you noticed how often Trump has mentioned Soros and his, as well as other, NGOs since his election victory last year? Count it, not once, not a single time at all.
You said: “…And all the riots, republican resistance to Trump, the lies about him raping women was all a set up?”
– Answer – You are right. Unfortunately without that, and other such bull…t, how would he differentiate himself from Hillary? And from other mainstream Repubs? Since he wanted to get the alternative vote, that of the Americans who are waking up and getting nervous, he had to position himself against Hillary and the mainstream Repubs. Otherwise the worried Americans wouldn’t have had any reasons to vote for him, would they?
You said: “…On that I think not and I think NO WAY to Hillary. They really do hate tbe guy and his ability to wrestle their power away from them blow for blow.“
– Answer – Of course. He took the power that they wanted. They wont love him for that.
As I said, I wish I am wrong.
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But consider this: He has broken ***every*** promise made. OK, he dropped a bomb on ISIS – in Afghanistan on a tunnel complex…
Bombing ISIS? No, he bombs their fiercest enemy Assad, because ISIS released some pictures of babies… “Verified” by a highly questioned {not questionable, but questioned} and dubious source, the ‘white helmets’ – an organization financed by NGOs.
Listen to his promises:
“We will stop racing to topple foreign regimes that we know nothing about, that we shouldn’t be involved with. Instead, our focus must be on defeating terrorism and destroying IS, and we will.” ….
Then he said that he wanted to spend money on rebuilding roads, bridges and airports, and not on overseas wars. He repeated that vote catching mantra just recently, in March. Then he attacks a Syrian air base, and within hours of that ISIS and An Nusrah launch major offensives… Please note, a major offensive takes careful, time consuming planing and preparation.
Well, he had good reasons, after all, “…beautiful babies were cruelly murdered in this very barbaric attack…” ISIS must have been relieved that they didn’t use accidentally ***ugly*** babies – for then, it could be that he would have sent only 50 missiles…
BTW, has anyone noticed the following: ISIS and the other ‘Sunni freedom fighters’, have no qualms murdering babies, beautiful or ugly, the mothers and fathers of those babies, and even juvenile children (not as important as babies), plus their relations? Anyone in fact, and their relations, who wants to escape that wonderful free Sunni world, and make it to Assad, or Turkey or Europe. Anyone noticed that?
Dear common sense, I understand your emotions, your hopes. As I said, we had these in Europe too. Have you noticed how much time he has spent with his ardent supporters from Europe? That’s right, not a second! He spent a few minutes with Orban, but that’s all. LePen, the AfD in Germany, etc. NOTHING! Does it not stand to reason that if he wants to fight the internationalists, that he would require nationalistic allies? Did he at least mention them? NO! Not a single word!
What do his supporters, and I **was** one of them, say now? That he has secret information to which we are not privy. So did Bush with the WMD, remember them? And afterwards, he could have shared that information with the public, remember Gen. Powell and his endless slide shows? Trump doesn’t even have to reveal the source. What did he show the public, what information did he give the public? That beautiful babies…. Jesus Christ! Even The Nazis and the Bolshies didn’t use such cheap and simplistic propaganda tricks.
He bombs Assad, and who congratulates him? Merkel, Hollande, etc., ***all*** his “enemies”, all of them! Oh, I forgot, and in the US, Kissinger!
Dear common sense, continue to hope. I do so. The heart is powerful – but it has a habit of opposing the mind. So please, also listen to reason, accept reality.
Finally, what I stated was as much about Soros as it was about Trump, perhaps even more so.
To re-emphasize, Soros wants control, power. It doesn’t matter to Soros if he controls the right arm that hates the left arm, or if he controls the left arm that hates the right arm. As long as the arm does what he **ultimately** wants! The color of the sleeve means nothing to him.
Also, consider this: Soros is a ***HEDGE***fund operator! They do have a habit of hedging their bets.
I wish you a happy and enjoyable Easter.
RonaldB says
DFD,
I’m a person who appreciates facts, logic and truth.
I gave $500 to the Trump campaign and put his yard signs in my yard. One was stolen, but then I simply put them in at night.
I very much appreciate your research and your logic and facts in evaluating Trump. I knew Trump was a salesman huckster and deal maker. Who could doubt that after watching his commercial on the Trump University? I watched it (before the election) and my instincts immediately screamed “scam”!!!
Trump Gives Trump University Commercial
But, I kept my support for Trump on the grounds that he was staking his public position and his investment in the election squarely on the “America First” platform. His business seemed totally separate from his politics, so why would he jettison the platform that got him the Presidency?
Your text, and links, show that in fact Trump’s business and family had strong Soros ties. Most damning is the fact that Soros and Soros-affiliated companies forgave a 300 million dollar mezzanine loan to Trump’s Chicago tower. Soros literally gave Trump 300 million dollars. That’s a hard fact. It’s not trying to psychoanalyze Trump or decide if he’s sincere or not. It’s a documented fact, reported in journals.
Again, a most damning fact is that a key adviser to Trump’s daughter, Ivanka, is Jamie Gorelick. Gorelick constructed the policy restricting information exchange between the CIA and the FBI. There was solid information concerning the upcoming 9/11 attack that the CIA possessed and was unable to tell the FBI because of a policy created by Jamie Gorelick. Again, this is not speculation or psychoanalysis on the real ideology of Donald Trump. This is solid fact, reported in journals and newspapers and books.
So far, the biggest pluses of the Trump administration have been Jeff Sessions as attorney general and Gorsuch on the Supreme Court. Through Sessions, the border security against infiltration through the Mexican border has greatly decreased, immigrant self-deportation has greatly increased and the war on local law enforcement has stopped. Similarly, Gorsuch seems to be an independent constitutionalist judge who I have every confidence will stop the erosion of American laws and Constitutional guarantees. Note that these appointments were actually more a part of his campaign than of his Presidential policy-making routines. But, they are a solid “plus’ for the benefits of a Trump Presidency.
Your implication is that Trump is actually fully compatible with Soros core interests. Trump’s cabinet and appointments are riddled with people with a history of Soros-funded organizations and Goldman-Saks. Again, this is not speculation on Trump’s actual beliefs and intentions, but facts.
My reading is that if American patriots hope to have any voice, they need to maintain a permanent campaign of pressure and political advocacy. It is like gambling your fortune in Las Vegas to depend on the personal commitments and campaign statements of Trump. If the Tea Partiers and immigration hawks think they can now rest and just enjoy their victory, they should watch the Trump University commercial again.
I keep up with a lot of alt-right tweets. There’s a lot of depression about the Trump reversals. I was depressed myself. But, at least the flooding of the US with Hispanic illegals has slowed or stopped; the dilution of the voting population has slowed or stopped. The use of force on non-leftist speakers and demonstrators has slowed or stopped. So, we’re still in the fight.
I see it as analogous to a judo contest. You can throw your opponent, but to do so, there’s a moment of vulnerability when you yourself can be thrown. The Trump campaign exposed leftist tsunami to a moment of weakness, even if Trump himself is not what he seems. The trick is to not retire from the fight, thus allowing the opponent to regain his balance.
Michael says
RonaldB, reading your comments, and all that DFD has posted, is very good know and understand.
The $300 million loan that was dismissed — well, that’s very good to know. Thank you.
gravenimage says
DFD, I don’t understand why you thin a ban on Muslim migrants would be useless? Isn’t shutting the floodgates the first step?
And I wish you a Happy Easter.
How is your dear dog doing?
DFD says
To Gravenimage,
Hi, you said: “…I don’t understand why you thin a ban on Muslim migrants would be useless? Isn’t shutting the floodgates the first step?”
Please read the entire post. I did not say that a ban on Muslims is useless. But this particular, completely “cheese-holed” ban is. Shutting the floodgates is right, of course. But we have to shut them ***everywhere***! Europe and the US! Trump will have top cooperate with his European allies to achieve something, and by allies I don’t mean May, Merkel and Co. I am referring to those whom he avoids talking to.
To give you in idea, FRONTEX, the European border agency (sort of) is actually referring to the NGOs that ‘rescue’ refugees in the Med as a ***Taxi Service***! And FRONTEX is everything but sharp toothed…. What are they talking about? As soon they leave the Libyan coast, after just a few miles, they radio the NGO rescuers who duly pick them up. And ferry them to Italy, or transfer them onto ships, from frigates to destroyers, assigned to FRONTEX, guess where they bring them to… Monthly avg: Approx 2,000 per day. But whoppeeeee! The EU has already repatriated this year alone over 85 of them. Now isn’t that something? Closing the holes is an excellent idea, I never disagreed, on the contrary, BUT IT HAS TO BE ALL OF THEM! Blocking 5 holes in sieve, what you think will happen? Reducing the number of illegal Mexicans is good for you, congratulations. How about stopping the Muslims? That watered down Obama plan (and even that is blocked by courts!) wont do, I can tell you this. And excepting Britain – oh Brother. Or rather: Oh Sister! Please, read the entire post from the top.
About Buddy: Thanks most kindly for asking about him. He is steady, given his age and condition. I am grateful for everyday he is with me… And yes, he is dear to me, so again, thanks for asking.
And I too wish you a happy Easter!
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gravenimage says
DFD, I agree–I want to see Muslims flooding into the West stopped *everywhere*. But even seeing it slowed or stopped in some places is a good thing. I applauded Australia on slowing Muslim immigration, although I do not live there.
I also think that it being stopped in some places is bound to inspire other good people in the West into thinking it can be stopped.
DFD says
gravenimage says
April 15, 2017 at 8:37 pm
((1)) DFD, I know you ave been upset when I have questioned the wisdom of abandoning civilized democracy in favor of a Führer, but I have to do so.
((2)) And I know you have scoffed at the idea that Hitler admired Islam, but I’m afraid this is amply documented.
((3)) I am also surprised to see you sneer at the idea of Western values–just because they have not always been practiced by all Westerners does not mean that they do not exist, or that they are not worth defending.
Dear Graven,
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Please read in full the entire section titled as such, not glancing through it and making assumptions of what you think I said. And
You will find what I say is ***completely***
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((1)) I did never say that it is wise to abandon democracy in favor of a Führer. I said that that is **threatening** us! That’s what I said, and others, noticeably well established historians, such as Dr Engels whom I quoted, agree.
PLEASE READ THE ENTIRE ARTICLE!
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I had to urge RonaldB too to do this. He too drew first the wrong conclusions. Read his comments thereto. OK, it’s long, but it’s a complex subject matter. And the threat of it is very real.
Here is the link: https://www.jihadwatch.org/2017/04/eu-tells-hungary-and-poland-accept-mass-migration-or-leave/comment-page-1#comment-1646292
Read it, fully, then comment.
***Don’t condemn me without reading it in full***
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((2)) Likewise, I did not scoff at the idea that Hitler admired Islam. Sure it’s well documented. I scoffed at the idea that he or his followers would be Muslims and bow to Mecca. I merely pointed out that what he admired wasn’t Islam, but the control it yielded. That’s quite a difference. Also, he needed Muslim allies since DeGaulle had raised about 3 to 4 million Muslim troops for his “free French”. Whilst Churchill had armed about 2 million of them. AGAIN: Please read the whole context of what I say, then comment – and (normally) I do value your comments, believe me.
((3)) I don’t and never sneered at western values as you proclaim. On the contrary! What I said however was that most of our, that is western values, have by now been demolished or reduced. And that we will have to fight to get these back! Irrespective if we thereby have to ignore our values or not.
It’s the case of: the Army isn’t there to practice democracy, it’s there to defend it!
AGAIN: Please, please, read what I write in full, then comment.
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Don’t criticise me for things that you say but which I have not said nor implied.
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I don’t know where those ideas of yours come from, nor why you postulate things to have been stated by me, which I never stated and which are ripped out of context. Please don’t do this, ***read in full, then think about it, then comment***
Thank you.
RonaldB says
May I suggest that part of the problem is the sheer complexity of information and the fact that on a blog like “Jihad Watch”, it is sometimes necessary to go to several different articles to get a complete view of what someone says?
I am lazy, so sometimes (like 12 or 1 am) I may scan an entry and generalize from a key word without taking sufficient care on the actual text. I’m retired, so I can go back and re-read the entire posts. I have 3 tabs open right now with your (DFD) contributions on each of them. And they all contribute to an understanding of your points. I assure you, I was lazy before I retired, so being retired is not the critical factor.
I also notice that sometimes it’s just flat-out necessary to read the links. The $300 million loan forgiveness to Trump by Sorros-related companies is simply mind-boggling. I’m not sure I would have believed it if I didn’t read other articles by journalists reporting the same thing.
I actually had to re-read your comments on the travel ban by Trump (not a Muslim ban). What you said was, any travel ban that doesn’t include England is useless, as England provides free and easy access to Muslims from many countries, and from England, they are free to travel to the US. Therefore, a sophisticated terrorist will easily be able to get around the travel restrictions from the infamous 7 countries, as long as we have unquestioned entry from England.
In my own defense, I didn’t think you were actually advocating the rise of a “fuhrer”, but I did point out that an absolute leader often contains the seed of his own destruction, simply by virtue of his absolute power over his country. This was not completely relevant to your argument, as you were arguing that the average (traditional) citizens were angry enough that they saw their choices narrow progressively, to either a Hitler or a Muhammad, and they would choose a Hitler.
I think there are many questions which are fruitful for discussions which are complex and often murky and confusing:
Is what Trump says any clue to what he actually thinks?
Can democracy (representative government) work in an area with significantly different populations that hold completely different values?
Is Soros a puppet-master, singlehandedly engineering the downfall of nationalism and individual liberties such as freedom-of-association?
Michael says
DFD, I haven’t been on the site that long, and so don’t know the history of your comments on these things, nor gravenimages. I have great respect for both of you.
I have never gotten any indication of your favoring a dictatorship, or renouncing Western values. My take, limited as it is, is that you have scoured information far and wide that most of us haven’t taken the time to find, or know how to find, and you have shared it with us. Some of it is disturbing, to say the least. And as I have said before, I welcome whatever the truth is, even if it’s not to my liking. I think I can say that for most of us here.
I actually like information that unsettles me. It tells me there’s something here I need to learn.
For example, I had always held Ghandi up in a virtual saint like place. Through comments on this site, I have been exposed to some unsettling (for me) truths about him … and I’m to know I have some things seriously wrong about that guy.
As the saying goes, the truth shall set you free. The truth is sometimes right in front of us, often hidden that way. I appreciate your efforts to find what’s really going on, and connect the dots in ways I know I would not be able to, given my lack of knowledge.
gravenimage, I deeply respect, and am grateful for, your knowledge, and your passion for freedom. The list is long of men and women on this site who are effectively my teachers. I am the grasshopper … 🙂 sitting at the feet of very wise, learned, and passionate teachers.
The exchange of knowledge and ideas on this site is incredible. I feel I have found a haven for intellectual pursuit of truth, and a very deep passion for freedom, and fighting for it however we can. My thanks to Robert Spencer for providing this for all of us.
All in all, one incredibly cool group here.
Mac-101 says
The Gandhi quotes really show that their are very few total white hats in world leadership positions. One can perhaps say George Washington, however, he had so much money and land, he evidently was content with that. Why can’t our Billionaires and likely closet Trillionaires be content with most of the marbles instead of them ALL!
gravenimage says
Hi, DFD. Thanks for your reply.
I have to admit I see no reason to think that the West if apt to turn to Führers. Besides Hitler, the only other such figure in the West would be Franco. Both of these were quite some time ago.
Of course, there have been such dictators in South America, but they have a different history from the free West.
Of course, there are undemocratic forces in modern Western society, such as the EU and the Leftist tendency to try to curtail freedom of speech. These are terribly dangerous, but are unlikely to lead to full loss of freedom unless we stop fighting back.
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Likewise, I did not scoff at the idea that Hitler admired Islam. Sure it’s well documented. I scoffed at the idea that he or his followers would be Muslims and bow to Mecca. I merely pointed out that what he admired wasn’t Islam, but the control it yielded.
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Well, this is true. Hitler did not advocate converting to Islam–he was just wistful over Germans not having been Muslim rather than majority-Christian. And yes–he did admire Islam for its control, as well as for its untrammeled savagery.
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That’s quite a difference. Also, he needed Muslim allies since DeGaulle had raised about 3 to 4 million Muslim troops for his “free French”. Whilst Churchill had armed about 2 million of them.
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I’m afraid that Hitler voiced his affinity for Islam before the war, met with the Mufti of Jerusalem before the war, and chose to model the Holocaust on the Armenian Genocide. This was not some reaction to any actions by the Allies.
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and (normally) I do value your comments, believe me.
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Thank you. I do try to read your comments in their entirety. I find most of your contributions here of great value, as well.
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((3)) I don’t and never sneered at western values as you proclaim. On the contrary! What I said however was that most of our, that is western values, have by now been demolished or reduced. And that we will have to fight to get these back! Irrespective if we thereby have to ignore our values or not.
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I think that, despite their erosion by the Left, that Western values are still very strong, and well worth defending.
Besides opposing its general barbarism, defending our civilized values is the main reason I oppose Islam.
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It’s the case of: the Army isn’t there to practice democracy, it’s there to defend it!
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The military is very much a part of democratic society, and has been since the beginning.
Catherine says
The travel ban was blocked by the courts. After the first blockage, I heard that the State Dept. was processing refugees as fast as they could from the countries that would have been affected, courtesy of Obama leftovers, even before Rex Tillerson was confirmed. I understand T-Rex has been cleaning house, but I’ll bet there are still Obamites on board, and a certain amount of momentum is in effect. Next step for the travel moratorium is the full Ninth Circus, then the Supreme Court. How long will it take?
Keeping an eye on this as well as many other situations to see if major parts of President Trump’s stated agenda fall by the wayside. Very encouraged by AG Sessions getting a handle on illegal immigration.
dumbledoresarmy says
You know, reading through this thread, I am forced to make the following observation.
I am seeing, over and over, counsels of despair. Full-blown conspiracy theories – combined with paralysing, withering, absolute toxic despair. I’m seeing these sorts of posts more and more and more, not only here but in other counterjihad forums. I don’t recall seeing quite so many, longer ago, in 2003 or 2006 or even in 2010.
Along with barely disguised calls for, or anticipation/ predictions of, a collapse of all western societies into something like Cambodia’s Killing Fields.. ?? (all part of the Grand Plan, too, though, and will be micromanaged, right down to the last burned city and murdered human, by the gloating Puppetmasters in their secret lairs.?).
New readers to this forum, if they believed everything that some contributors say, would go away simply thinking “There is nothing I can do. NOTHING. The monsters are winning, they’ve always won, they always will. Why bother trying to inform anyone about Jihad? Why bother writing a letter to the local politician.. he’s probably one of the conspirators, or under their thumb? Why run for office at *any* level, since everything right down to the local P & C and county council and parish church is controlled by The Puppermasters? So… sit still, be quiet, go through the motions of your daily life until the moment when everything collapses; and in the meantime DO NOTHING, because anything you might think of trying to do anywhere is and will be ABSOLUTELY FUTILE, the fix is in, you’ll be squashed like a bug. So… may as well give up, sit down, and DO NOTHING”.
Great message. Really encouraging… NOT.
And… the perfect way to reduce any potential impact of this site and this forum to zero.
common sense says
JW is a petri dish for ideas, thoughtful explorations, history, politics and creativity and sometimes venting. Most of all it’s a report on the movement of global jihad.
I can barely read any other forms of social media for all the vitriolic hate. JW is a bastion of lesson learning, cultures and conversation.
I’ve caught the jist of what you say as well, I’ll reiterate without shame:
Everyone “PULL IT TOGETHER”.
We know who Trump is ok? We got it and I’m not afraid to back his play. Why do you think the left hates him so much he stuck his balls in their face and rubbed it in and said “America first”we see him standing by his word, he was an elitist that went rogue.
This is not a defensive position to hunker down for the next 4 years its an opportunity to attack and gain ground. “Ruthless aggression”
Michael says
dumbledoresarmy, i appreciate what you are saying and am grateful for it.
i think perhaps it’s this: accurately assessing the enemy, and figuring out how best to fight.
they haven’t been destroyed in 1400 years. maybe there are things we can do differently. maybe things we are missing.
I don’t know. while i am not completely new to world affairs and different ways of seeing them, I am pretty new to the Islamic threat.
i look at things from many angles. and i know there are many I’m ignorant of altogether. it’s why i am immensely grateful to Robert and you and all who passionately care for freedom, for kindness, for love, and will fight for it. I have gotten an incredible education in a very short time.
again, i don’t know. i know i don’t know. and so i keep thinking about things. a lot.
before reading your post, I had thought what you wrote: based on reading some of the things DFD shared and I wrote, and thoughts of others, yes, one way it could all be construed is that we are f-ed, let’s go back to living our lives, and let it all happen. VERY BAD CONCLUSION to come to, and the wrong one.
i am an eternal optimist. and while i like to know the worst possible situation, i am not deterred from fighting. i don’t give up. but do tell me the worst possible case. it won’t sway me. i just want to know what it is. i sort of like having my back up against the wall. it gets me fired up and pissed off, and I am much more productive and accomplish more in that state of mind. ‘they’ think we’re defeated? okay, now let’s REALLY get to work.
not that it matters, but to give an idea of my persistence — and this is a personal problem, and i only share it to illustrate my take on things.
i trusted a couple of wrong fellows on some tax issues. it’s cost me around $150,000 out of pocket over the last year. I will have an IRS tab of perhaps equivalent to that; i’ll know that in the next few weeks. Worst possible case it could be close to $250,000 that I owe the IRS — and this is literally because I trusted a fellow whom I shouldn’t have. My fault every step of the way, too, for trusting blindly.
And then i get on with work, and making money, and paying them off, and really living. I’m by no means wealthy. i will be paying my dear Uncle Sam over the next quite a few years. Understand that while I’m not old, at 61 I’m not young, either, though i feel quite excited all in all about life. I’m not caving into quite a few financial setbacks. f it! i want to kick some ass, have some fun, and fight, whatever comes.
dumbledoresarmy, i want to fight these sons of b’s and Islam with everything I’ve got. and i will. i want to know how best to fight. i don’t quit, i’ll say that. i think it’s important that we have a clear idea of what the enemy is. we can say ‘Islam,’ and it is. but I’m not sure that’s enough. I’m not sure what is.
i know this: i will give my life for freedom. give in? give up? capitulate? call it quits? um … kiss my you know what! no chance. I just want to know how can we beat these bastards. or give it our best shot.
I have had an advertising business for 22 years. so I’ve played with words, phrases, what affects people, how it affects people, why. it’s all a great mystery to me. how a few words grab people … and most don’t.
we are up against word masters and thought masters. they are way ahead of us. how can we kick their ass? how can we come back, even though we are down 19 to 1 in a game to 20? hey, if they got that far ahead, we can turn the tables and do the same on them. my take on that kind of stuff. never give up. never.
i was thinking the other day about a series of banners. what do you think of these? i mean banners to wave! or post! or do something with!
visualize this as a horizontal banner, say 8 feet wide x 2 feet high. or any proportionate dimension. I’ve done hundreds of billboards, things along those lines.
please see comments to follow to explain my thinking.
the ‘support islam’ big and bold, and underneath (obviously) the follow up, a bit smaller, crystal clear to read:
big bold letters across width: SUPPORT ISLAM
somewhat smaller, but very visible: SUPPORT CLITORECTOMIES
SUPPORT ISLAM
SUPPORT CHILD RAPE
SUPPORT ISLAM
SUPPORT BEHEADING FOR LEAVING ISLAM
SUPPORT ISLAM
SUPPORT STONING FOR ADULTERY
SUPPORT ISLAM
SUPPORT DEATH TO GAYS
SUPPORT ISLAM
SUPPORT BEATING WIVES
SUPPORT ISLAM
SUPPORT DEATH FOR QUESTIONING ISLAM
SUPPORT ISLAM
SUPPORT POLYGAMY
SUPPORT ISLAM
SUPPORT DEATH TO NON-BELIEVERS
SUPPORT ISLAM
SUPPORT DEATH FOR KORAN BURNING
SUPPORT ISLAM
SUPPORT ….. you fill in the blank.
in an ad — in any printed / visual communication — the headline is critical. It determines the effectiveness of the ad. The headline is everything. Few people, even in advertising, really grasp this, and if they do, few know how to make the headline actually get attention.
what happens is that we get people going ‘yes, support Islam’ — i.e., meet them where they are; very important; we can’t get through if we start off arguing; i often think of Twain’s saying, I think it is; ‘A man convinced against his will is of the same opinions still’ — and then the words below. then comes the disconnect — what?
what do you mean, support clitorectomies? child rape? etc.
We jar people’s conscious minds quite strongly. this isn’t their notion of support Islam … but … isn’t it precisely what it is? we hit them, quite hard actually.
‘clitorectomy’ is quite hard, i think. it’s why i don’t like ‘female genital mutilation.’ or FGM. it’s weak. pathetic. an acronym? you’re cutting off a woman’s clitoris, for god’s sake. say it. ‘We support cutting off women’s clitorises.’ Give people a nice, brutal visual. we don’t need to say too much more. If they don’t know quite what it is — many have never heard of such a thing, will be staggered to know it exists; and THIS is somehow tied to Islam? hmm … perhaps they will consider the need to re-think this.
We get their attention with what they want and believe — support Islam; sounds nice; we’re tolerant loving folks — and then ‘death to gays’ … there’s an instant WTF going on here. THIS is how we get into their heads. not by arguing. but by cracking it open … and then, once open, there is some hope.
And if we can crack open more and more minds — well, our lives depend on it.
this is a mind game. getting into the minds of those who might come to the defense of liberty. who knows, maybe a side effect would be a few Muslims go, what the hell am I part of this for? my god … is THIS what we stand for? really? it would be a nice side effect, but we would have to see how that plays out.
i think we can do this. especially if we put our hearts and minds and passions together. there is tremendous brilliance in the posts of just those whom I’ve read. quite profoundly exciting, the passion here, the commitment to freedom, to life.
or it could be ‘Support Sharia Law,’ and the same words underneath. again, i think potentially some impact.
The bad guys have been figuring it out forever. And doing it. meanwhile, we argue and fight and debate amongst ourselves — much value there, too — and how do we reach into the minds of the blind? what words can we use, that will have some shock value? and truth? and impact?
first the ‘nice words’ that everyone wants to hear: Support Islam. then … the follow up.
So dumbledoresarmy, lest I ever come across as encouraging capitulation of any sort, with any breath, even my last — by the way, I LOVED Braveheart, and his final word as he died, that I have thought of countless times … ‘FREEDOM!’ — forgive me for conveying that to you or anyone.
I just want to figure these sons of bitches out. figure out what WE can do. and get on with doing it.
they don’t expect a fight. or they expect the same old stuff they’ve already overcome. maybe there are other ways. let’s be smarter than them. after all, WE can’t drop bombs, though it would be fun to have the ability, i sometimes think. we can outsmart them. but they’re brilliant. we have to be more brilliant. we have to be different. we have to inventive, creative, to the max.
we could learn a lot from advertising. government hires the most brilliant psychologists, mind masters, advertising people — these people know what works. we have to play this game better, perhaps. I think there’s room for improvement, for experimentation. we haven’t a lot to lose in trying, and we have a lot to lose if we ultimately lose, which I’m not at all fond of. i like to win.
on this board are some of the coolest and smartest and most passionate defenders of freedom I could hope to know. it is a privilege to read your words, and offer any comments. It’s our lives at stake. I am very clear about that. I want to kick their ass! lol … i really do!
all of this reminds me years ago of a tiny 1×3 print ad I did. don’t take offense!
it said simply … ‘Stop’s that irritating whine’, with a diamond ring pictured above the headline. Again, a small little ad.
There were some quite vocal reactions to it. many women were quite pissed. many men laughed. i never write to offend. i do play with words to see what happens, what works. and you have to define your goal.
almost 20 years ago, another ad i wrote said … again, a small horizontal ad, showed no jewelry, just said … ‘Her engagement ring from Wal-Mart. How romantic.’
my did some of the Wal-Mart execs express their unhappiness with some of the jewelers who ran it. but think of it: on the face of it, it was simply a statement, and a positive one. but oh did people get it, too. state something that is not offensive … somehow get their attention … then a twist, a surprise. the headline can get us that brief second where their mind opens … but we only have a second or two. then we go in hard.
i didn’t mean to go on. i very much did hear what you wrote, dumbledoresarmy. Please be assured, I’m in. Let’s fight.
and i always take everything i ever say with a grain of salt. If i have completely missed the boat here, or somehow offended any of the amazing people on this board, I do apologize. I am grateful for each of you.
dumbledoresarmy says
Michael: good to know that you’re in advertising.
Go for it!
Have you thought of getting in touch with ACT for America?
The other thing is: Internet memes. FB memes. Find someone – maybe Bosch Fawstin the ex-Muslim, or Gravenimage here, *she* is an artist, she makes her living by her art – who can do some images for you.
And again: catch phrases, like “Got Muslims? Got Jihad” can be used *verbally*.
That damn ‘religion of peace’ meme that was invented (for kuffar consumption) by a Muslim spin-doctor writing in English in British India in the 1930s, and then *really* got given legs by President George Bush *right after* the 9/11 attack… that has to be confronted.
There’s Winston Churchill’s wonderful phrase – “the religion of blood and war”. That’s how *he* defined Islam, in the 1890s. And what is more, in exactly the same paragraph he spoke of *Christianity* as “the religion of peace”.
The Churchillian phrase can be learned by heart… and dropped into conversation, every time the latest jihad atrocity (e.g. the car-and-stabbing rampage in London takes place) or even when something is scotched a-borning by our vigilant homeland security boys. The subject comes up… on social media, in casual conversation about the latest news, and one simply repeats the phrase, “Oh, the religion of blood and war is at it again”. the aim should not be to get into an argument, I think. It’s just about putting the phrase out there. Over an dover an dover, always in connection with actual plotted, attempted or achieved jihad attacks. Use it when an ‘honor’ murder gets some publicity, too, or a Muslim ‘grooming’ gang is arrested.
Have yoiu ever visited the ‘Citizen Warrior’ website?
dumbledoresarmy says
Oops. Typo.
“Over an dover an dover” should be “over and over and over”. Sorry.
Kay says
Interesting ideas. I have certainly seen how the current push for Mohammedism has twisted so many words. And I see how the minds of my intelligent loving friends are only opposed to our President and remain ignorant of the threats of Mohammedism.
I hope you can do it. Put a question in those minds– what are these strange horrors?
gravenimage says
Very much agree, Dumbledore’s Army. There is no doubt that we have a daunting task ahead of us, but it is *far* too early to give up. Robert Spencer continues to fight–he does not run Jihad Watch to encourage us to surrender to Islam.
Eric Jones says
Trumps travel ban has been blocked by court decisions that I hope Sessions quickly over turns. One of the things impeding Trump is that he has not removed appointees from prior administrations in cabinet departments. He has not drained the swamp. They are under mining him from below. Then Trump surround himself with neocons. Either he does not understand the environment he is in or he is one of them.
Eric
Porky The Crusader says
That’s Wrong, Very Wrong!
mortimer says
No foolproof method has been found to identify conclusively what a person is thinking or planning to do. However, lie detector tests should be performed on all Muslims doing government jobs until they retire. We cannot take chances since Muslims have a duty to hate Kafirs ‘for the sake of Allah’ and to be disloyal to them, to not support them, to not befriend them, to refuse to praise them, to not ally with them and generally to remain aloof and distant from them… for the sake of Allah.
Peterson says
Trump would give all his efforts to stop this. I still trust him. He has to fight with all the traitors in the administration and sanctuary city providers. Obama’s influx continued throughout the year. This is going to stop soon.
dumbledoresarmy says
You must Tweet him, email him, press him to soldier on.
Express your concerns and reiterate that … Got Muslims? Got Jihad.
Also, communicate with your congressperson and senator. Explain exactly why you want ALL entry of identifiable Muslims into the USA STOPPED, ASAP. In order to prevent the expansion of what is already a very, very dangerous Fifth Column.
Keep up the pressure on *all* fronts.
Contact ACT for America. Ask what they are doing. *They* have a good few years of lobbying experience under their belts now.. AND they have local chapters all over the USA, so you can look for a local chapter and join one (if you haven’t already), or else.. set about forming one.
Neville J. Angove says
Why do you, and the commenters, blame Trump for the fact that since the liberal courts overturned his temporary stay orders, that 77% of refugees have come from the suspect seven countries? You sound like the MSM with your total misinterpretation of the facts. So far, the refugee intake has been cut by a third, and may already in the US when Trump was inaugurated have welcomed themselves into Canada.
So Trump is being effective, just not effective as he could be. In spite of all the evidence that Trump is right, and the courts are making illegal decisions. But various sub-authorities, such as many states and cities, are following Trump’s ideals since the courts (and the Deep Sit State) refuse to bow to the courts.
Basically, the answer lies in supporting Trump vocally, and passively resisting the invasion. How many resistors will the courts illegally jail before the policies upon which Trump was elected witll be enforced by default?
Nancy Assaf says
Most of us know that Trump is not a Conservative. Knowing this will give you the right perspective about what he does and why he does it. I was for Ted Cruz, whom I believe to be a mostly true Conservative. He would have been excoriated by not only the Progressives and Democrats, but the Republicans as well.
Jeanette says
You do know about Cruz’ wife Heidi?
I would be amazed to find that Heidi Cruz and RINO Paul Ryan’s ultra-liberal wife aren’t buddies.
Dustin Koellhoffer says
Are they Moslem or non-Moslem Syrians?
Jeanette says
I don’t think Robert Spencer would have written this article if the refugees were non-Muslims.
Lilythewise says
It is impossible to vet Muslims because they’re permitted to lie to infidels.
Has Trump lost his mind?
I don’t want anymore immigrants for the next thirty years.
We don’t need anymore immigrants until our economy is in good standing.
Terrorists are not going to admit their dastardly intentions.
I am disappointed in Trump. I expected him to keep his promises.
Meredith Jayne says
In March 2014 the Abbott Government announced a 44 million dollar funding cut to the Australian National partnership on homelessness which greatly impacted on 3,400 workers, 180 programs and 80,000 homeless which includes children who depend on support under the agreement, a year later after reportedly stopping the ‘ asylum seeker ‘ boats Abbott pledged to take in another 12,000 Syrian so called refugees flying them in through the ‘ front door ‘ instead and dumping them into Australian communities against the objections of the majority.
One of Abbotts pre-election promises was to proscribe Hizb ut-Tahrir as a terrorist organization and place an outright ban on the radical extremist organization from operating in Australia, however after he was elected into office he declared that he was unable to ban Hizb ut-Tahrir because, ( incredibly) they are protected under Australian law which were already in place years before he vowed to ban them, which means they can continue to spew their hatred for Australians and intimate them with violent threats virtually unchallenged and unpunished while Australians are condemned and threatened with prosecution ( under the race hate religious vilification laws introduced into Australia that protect Muslims ) just for bringing attention to it.—Australia is Governed by Muslim appeasing traitors and cowards.
Meredith Jayne says
Meredith Jayne says
April 20, 2017 at 2:22 am
In March 2014 the Abbott Government announced a 44 million dollar funding cut to the Australian National partnership on homelessness which greatly impacted on 3,400 workers, 180 programs and 80,000 homeless which includes children who depend on support under the agreement, a year later after reportedly stopping the ‘ asylum seeker ‘ boats Abbott pledged to take in another 12,000 Syrian so called refugees flying them in through the ‘ front door ‘ instead and dumping them into Australian communities against the objections of the majority.
One of Abbotts pre-election promises was to proscribe Hizb ut-Tahrir as a terrorist organization and place an outright ban on the radical extremist organization from operating in Australia, however after he was elected into office he declared that he was unable to ban Hizb ut-Tahrir because, ( incredibly) they are protected under Australian law which were already in place years before he vowed to ban them, which means they can continue to spew their hatred for Australians and intimidate them with violent threats virtually unchallenged and unpunished while Australians are condemned and threatened with prosecution ( under the race hate religious vilification laws introduced into Australia that protect Muslims ) just for bringing attention to it.—Australia is Governed by Muslim appeasing traitors and cowards.