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This special edition of the Glazov Gang presents the Dr. Bill Warner Moment with Dr. Bill Warner, the president of politicalislam.com.
Dr. Warner asks How Do You Reform Allah’s Perfection?, focusing in on the problem of Islamic reform.
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mortimer says
Bill Warner has done it again with an unanswerable argument. This argument should be printed and mailed to all politicians and journalists.
Since the Koran is already perfect, it cannot be improved.
Michael Copeland says
“None may change his words”,
Koran 18:27
mortimer says
Perfect, Michael. Thanks. And Allah’s words are ‘perfect, complete and eternal.’ So everything about Islam is perfect. Any change would make it imperfect.
Nothing about Islam may be changed or questioned or doubted … or else! It’s protected by swords, knives and suicide bombs.
A kafir may not ‘mention something impermissible’ about Islam. (Reliance of the Traveller o11.11 … explains that the Dhimmi agreement is violated…in the case of blasphemy of a kafir…if the dhimmi mentions something impermissible about Islam or its prophet…his life, honor and property are unprotected… that is the dhimmi may be slandered, lied about, plundered, raped and murdered).
Don Foss says
I love Warner. I’ve ordered many of his pamphlets/books and highly recommend them.
Jaladhi says
Allah’s creation is so perfect that it can never be reformed! Therefore, Islam will never change – let alone reform. Islam has to be banned and delegitimized.
Voytek Gagalka says
One could imagine fantastically and theoretically that it could be “reformed” only if Allah himself desired to do so and thus has had “spoken.” Since that is metaphysically impossible in this world (in my opinion the only world that is), so is also any such “reform.” It will never happen. Islam must be ABANDONED not “reformed.” However, have no illusion: It will not happen in any near and even more remote future.
mortimer says
To cause Muslims to ‘abandon’ Islam, they must be convinced that Islam is morally, historically and logically untenable. This is called ‘DEPROGRAMMING’. Only governments have the resources to deprogram Muslims right out of Islam. It has not been tried. The USSR started to prepare a protocol to deprogram Muslims but did not follow true. The Nazis did research to try to debunk the Koran, but did not follow through.
Joe says
Actually Bill Warner left out something very important, about why you can’t reform Islam.
You can’t reform the Quran because you will be killed as an apostate, under the authority of the Sunnah. And Muslims are allowed to ‘take the law into their own hands’ on this one.
Michael Copeland says
“since it is killing someone who deserves to die”
Manual of Islamic Law, “Reliance of the Traveller”, o8.4
Robert says
That quote reminds me of my favourite line in True Lies. A wife, who has just discovered that her husband has been living a double-life, in which he is, in fact, a deadly spy, asks him: ‘Have you killed anyone?’ And he replies, ‘Yes, but they were all bad.’
That’s Islam’s assessment of the untold carnage they’ve wrought. Everyone they butchered, raped, tortured, or beheaded was bad and deserved it. Sociopaths and pedophiles have they same attitude. The victim is always to blame for the violence.
David Ramseur says
Yep, in Christianity Justice belongs to the Lord. But, in Islam, Muslims have been delegated the authority to exact Allah’s justice…they are his wielders of justice. This is a unique aspect of Islam. What other religion gives its followers the authority to murder non-believers or apostates? Islam does not qualify as constitutional because it leads people to destroy others. Following Islam means confronting the rights of others to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. Why shouldn’t it be completely banned?
mortimer says
Joe wrote: “Muslims are allowed to ‘take the law into their own hands’ ” … in the matter of killing apostates.
Bingo! Sharia law permits VIGILANTISM. There is no punishment for anyone who murders an apostate.
ibrahim itace muhammed says
Mortimer,you want Muslims to Alter the original words of Allah like what christians and jews did to their scriptures? Logically, is there any need to alter the source and replace it with changing theories? No ,if you are wise you have to preserve the source ,but change the theories derived from it to new theories that address changing circumstances without going out of the spirit of the original.those with rudimentary knowledge on sharia will come across what is known as maqasid asharia( general objectives of sharia). these are set goals under which any detailed theory must aim at achieving.Eg,protection of life,property,diginity,intellect and freedom of religion.these are known today as fundamental objectives and human rights.thus,any theory and practices must not contradict these objectives.you can go to any extent in finding solution to emerging problems,but you must be conscious of what is contain in the source.muslims have been doing that without encountering any problem with the Quran,because they have the mechanism of reconciling the Quran with emerging problems.it is you, Jamie Gleason and other mischisfmaker,who consider it as unsolvable problem until the Quran is altered.continue altering your scriptures since they have lost their divine origin .we are less concern.
Shone says
There will be no reform of the islam the cult of false god and mad prophet cannot be reformed, because it is based on a lie, no one can not make truth from a lie. Verily, o you believers, alah is a great deceiver. Satan cannot be brought back to angelic status. He is doomed for all eternity. Your “prophet” hated Jews because they did not want to accept him as a prophet, he hated Christians too. Why? Because both of them worshiped according their beliefs. They know the Truth, their God is not a deceiver, not a sexually obsessed being who changes its mind as a wind changes its direction. Their God had never choose a lunatic for a prophet. Your did. and why? Because he is not a god at all. He is a liar, and a father of lies, ruler of this world. And for you and all of your beliefs. read the Galatians 1 6-10.
I am sorry, but we have our Gospel. We do not need any madman and his teachings.
Keys says
Ibrahim Itace M. says:
“you have to preserve the source ….. without going out of the spirit of the original….”
Exactly, and that proves one of Dr. Warner’s points. You did not address the problem of “who” – who has the authority to “reform” Allah’s words, and multiple other problems, not to mention the problem of “abrogation”.
The spirit of the original is deceit, as Allah is the greates of deceivers, and murder, as Allah’s followers are the most prolific murderers in all of human history by far, and wide.
David Ramseur says
How exactly did Christians and Jews alter their original scriptures? Those scriptures were inspired by the Holy Spirit and spanned over 1000 years, 40 different writers, different personalities, backgrounds, regions, etc…. and still do not contradict each other. It is true that the New Covenant has ushered in the dispensation of grace, that the ceremonial law was made redundant, and that after ancient Israel fell, their penal code attested to in the old testament fell with it. Even so, the overall message of both testaments has remained consistent. The law is a tutor that points out our need for a Savior. Jesus is the fulfillment of the law. In Him alone is hope and newness of life.
By contrast, the Quran was allegedly written by 1 man who did no miracles. 1 man who unilaterally changed whatever he wanted in his supposed revelation to mankind. A man who conveniently didn’t have to live by his own rules. He borrowed a lot from Judaism and Christianity, twisted it for his personal advantage, then claimed that they were corrupt and that his message was the fix. And what a fix it was. S/ You will know a tree by its fruit. A false prophet introduces never ending holy war, sexual slavery, assignment of friends/enemies, oppression of women, obligatory lying, concealment of sin, and the theology of being able to bribe God thru works.
Muhammad, if he existed, was a false prophet. He, no doubt, was aided by demonic forces in order to have such an influence. For, he was open about his experiences of possession. He abrogated whatever previous revelation he wanted in order to reach his own political ends. (ends justifying the means). He certainly was not a man of truth. He was a carnal minded man of self. His vision of heaven shows this. Holiness, purity, honesty, and universal human value are not celebrated in Islam. Islamic civilization is a devastated land of suffering because of the creed that informs all aspects of Islamic life.
If you are sick of this worldly system of bondage, look to Jesus. The real Jesus, thoroughly described in the Bible, the one who existed before Muhammad’s arbitrary pen. The one who changed the world before Muhammad was even born. Islam is bondage, as I’m sure you know deep down. But, the truth will set you free. Jesus is the truth, the way, and the life. Flee from being a slave to a false religion (the handiwork of demons). The Father is waiting for you, one of His lost sons. He is eagerly awaiting your return to His loving arms. He knows all that you’ve ever done, but loves you nonetheless. He will forgive your transgressions if you repent from them and trust in Jesus the Savior. Then a fount of living water, welling up to eternal life will begin to flow thru you, overflowing out into the world.
ibrahim itace muhammed says
David,your mithraist jesus made false prophecy as reported in mathew that this world would end before those who were standing infront of him die; but those people died about 2000 years ago and this is still in existence now 2017. David ,can you show me any prophecy mentioned in the Quran or hadith which turned out to be false?All your rantings are product of madness due to possession of satan appearing to you like a dove you call Holly spirit( your god no.3) and you consider it as a miracle( in reality it is magic).Idiot beasts!!
David Ramseur says
False, Jesus never said that the world would end before the people standing in front of Him died. He said that all of these things (signs of the end of the age) would take place before they died. Big difference. Ever since then, those signs have been taking place with greater and greater intensity. Those who worship God do so in spirit and truth. Those who worship “the self-proclaimed greatest of deceivers” do it thru empty ritual and destruction of humanity.
A question for you Ibrahim: what have you done to merit eternal life? Whatever it was, it must have been really good huh? If you think that God will overlook your sins because of your supposed good deeds, you are lying to yourself. God looks past actions even to the motivations of the heart. Apart from God’s grace, you have no hope. Muhammad can’t get rid of your sin, Allah can’t get rid of your sin, only Jesus can.
It is not wise to worship a liar, or to follow the example of a prolific sinner. It is wise to follow the One who never sinned, who healed the sick, who drove out demons, who resurrected the dead, who is still alive (unlike Muhammad), and who has in His nail-marked hands offers the pardon for your very life. The teachings of Jesus are the most sublime moral teachings the world has ever known. People from any background are forced to admit this when they actually look into it. For instance, you should read His sermon on the mount. The teachings of Muhammad in the Quran and hadith take the polar opposite position on almost everything Jesus spoke. It really is up to you, you can choose reconciliation, freedom, newness of life, and the indwelling Helper (Holy Spirit)….or you can choose to remain in bondage, slavery, deception, and hopelessness. God does not desire that you would perish, but he allows you to choose because he loves you enough to give you dignity and freewill.
Just know, that if you act upon the directives of Islam to commit terrorism, president Trump’s words will also ring true in your life. Your life will be empty, your life will be brief, and your soul will be fully condemned. If you follow Muhammad’s example, your end will be one of incredible regret. Revive your conscience, think about your mortality, and muster the courage to question the master/slave nature of Islam.
James Taylor says
You should lay off the camel urine old chap.
common sense says
Peace and Jesus needs no reformation our church did and has done so.
Jihad and Shariah will be confronted, I don’t expect Muslims that embrace violent and political Jihad to reform, I expect us to destroy them in both theatres by diplomacy or war if necessary.
mortimer says
Ibrahim suggested I want to change the Koran. Ha, ha. I invite Ibrahim to observe that the Koran is hopelessly amoral, opportunistic, stupid, contradictory, ungrammatical, unhistorical, irrational and I invite him to conclude that the Koran is virtually worthless and very harmful and that he may abandon this poisonous book with confidence.
Screeminmeeme says
“…..you want Muslims to Alter the original words of Allah like what christians and jews did to their scriptures? ”
FYI….Christians and Jews didn’t ‘alter’ their Scriptures. The Christian reformation was about relying on Scripture alone as the basis for knowledge about the faith, a.rejection of uninspired additions to the text, and opposition to false teachings by the RCC.
To reform Islam would require that huge portions of the Quran (and thousands of hadiths) be altered/discarded in order to produce an ideology that is ‘civilized’ and conducive to peaceful integration with non-Muslims.
To its very core, Islam is evil, inhumane, and deserving of eradication.
common sense says
Warners great. If you have not yet seen K Stephen Roberts site and book, check this out:
http://www.realcrusadeshistory.com/
Very well put together and narrated. History Prof level.
Flavius Claudius Iulianus says
I’ve watched Robert’s videos. A good source but I object to his using academics as sources who are clearly apologists for Mohammadanism. These people give glowing reviews of Saladin when clearly Saladin was a vicious, power hungry beast. (These academics are not up to date. They are using the old nineteenth century Oxfordian literal reading of highly positives wahabist biographies of Saladin.)
Jan Aage Jeppesen says
In theory Islam can be reformed because everything made by man can be changed or reformed by man.
But that kind of reformation depends on Muslims to believe that Islam was made up by Muhammad or some scholars in Basra, and then Islam is not a religion but a manmade political ideology without a transcendent dimension.
So this cannot be the answer to the question.
Another more practical and in theory achievable way to reform Islam was proposed by an Iranian ayatollah shortly after his colleague ayatollah Khomenei became the supreme leader of The Islamic Republic of Iran in 1979.
The reformist ayatollah Jalal Ganj`I attacks the core of Islamic fundamentalism and promote a historical concept of the Quran. If you really want to understand what it was “the verses in the Quran tells Muhammad people living at that time” one must take the historical circumstances at the time of the Prophet into consideration, points Ganj`I out, otherwise you risk to understand the opposite of what the Quran in reality says. He claims that each verse in the Quran is an answer to a specific historical event.
Hereby Ganj`I delivers an elegant solution to the always present problem: How to reconcile the claim of divine origin of the verses in the Quran with their – after modern concept – barbaric content? He demonstrates a method by which to relativize the texts in the Quran without having to deny that it exactly reproduce the words of Allah.
The problem is that the proposed solution is considered a heresy both in Shia and Sunni Islam. It is in both traditions assumed as dogma that the words of Allah in the Quran are valid for al people for all times equivalent to a status of eternal and final truths.
It is not very likely that many Muslims will subscribe to a historical and relativistic view of the texts in the Quran in order to reform Islam and bring it in proximity to the norms and morality prevailing in the Western secular democracies.
But as ayatollah Ganj`I has demonstrated it is not impossible to reform and modernize Islam. Just very unlikely that it happens.
awake says
It simply will not happen, because the Mohammedan animals do not want to relinquish their authority, or divine claim to their selfish, abhorrent behavior. They will surely even kill their own to hold on to that power.
I concur that it would be a solution, but the solution is obvious and already existing. It is simply rejected, because even though you can put lipstick on a pig, it is still a pig. And Muhammad was s demonic pig for sure and his self-made religion’s appeal continues to this very day to the Muslim savages, soulless and evil, ever-grasping to retain their power and influence over others.
ibrahim itace muhammed says
Aware,you are already dead not awake going to hotest stream of hellfire provided for those who reject the truth( Islam) and have chosen to worship the Satan in the form of idol worship or worshiping satan appearing like a dove refered in the mithraist evil bible as holy ghost( god no.3). As such Mr aware you can hardly be treated from this lunacy as a result of satanic possession.
James Taylor says
‘Then Gabriel came to the apostle and said , “What have you done, Muhammad? You have read to these people something I did not bring you from God and you have said what He did not say to you.”‘
Ibn Ishaq
JESUS LOVES YOU IBRAHIM.
maghan says
Which means anybody can change any sura in the Qur’an, and even add some new ones. How about a surah stating that wine is halal and another one stating that dogs are wonderful animals?
Flavius Claudius Iulianus says
I am a huge fan of Dr Bill Warner. I have learned so much from his videos and books. I highly recommend the books; they get you down the learning curve fast!
Here’s a point that Dr Warner did not mention:
As soon as you try to reform Mohammadism you create a new religion. A central tenet of Mohammadism is that Mohammad is the last prophet and his word is the last word. Reinterpretation of the literal words of Mohammad is haram.
The landscape of middle-eastern religions is littered with spin-off from Mohammadism. Some consider themselves to be still part of the faith and others no longer. A brief sampling: the baha’i faith, the ahmadis, the druz, the ismailis, the alawites, etc. One thing that unifies all of them is a desire for a one-world government (globalism).
The response I have to people in the reform movement is “sophisticated taqiyya.”
billybob says
Innovation is haram – is the way it is stated.
Joe says
Ok, then lets reform communism and naziism so they become nice little pieces of human success. /sarc Of course it cannot be reformed. Christianity is not built around a death cult. It is a religion of life. Islam is a death cult built around a crazy idiot with name Muhammad. It needs to be condemned and defeated wherever civilization takes place. Muslims need to be seen at what they are: Members of a death cult.
Bill Warner is a real expert! But I disagree with him that islam is success. It is not seen yet, but islam will ultimately fail. When it will be extinct. The more people learn about this death cult the sooner islam will become history. It will happen. Just a matter of time. Men can usually not good anticipate what is too far away from the current situation. But times will change. The current developments in Europe will wipe socialism and islam finally off the face of the Earth. It may take some decades, but it will happen.
ibrahim itace muhammed says
Joe,your Christianity was reformed in the year 325 Ad when constantine mixed Roman paganism of mithraism of old with some traces of what true jesus taught and formed pagan christianity as it is today ;and all other pure versions containing what prophet issa taught , like ebionet ,were banned. mr joe,true christianity is lost as a result of reform.what remains now is paganism cloned as religion of christ inspired by the satan as mithraism of old.See john Erhman on how christianity was invented.
Vann Boseman says
I bookmarked this. It is excellent. I’ve never heard this point made better or even as good.
There is a minor point that Islam has had reformations.
The Reformation in Christianity represented a return to scripture. Caliphs altered the practice of Islam over time to make it more acceptable to Westerners. But Islam had what Christians could call a Reformation that returned it to all the bells and whistles of its true ugliness. This might not be palatable to view as a Reformation, because it does not make it moral.