The Telegraph had this on May 25: “Mr Ramadan said he understood that Abedi had been placed on a ‘watch list’ because the mosque reported him to the authorities for his extremist views. A well-placed source at Didsbury Mosque confirmed it had contacted the Home Office’s Prevent anti-radicalisation programme as a result.”
But it was false. Now we learn this: “Despite wide reports that Abedi was reported by Didsbury Mosque, the mosque confirmed to Panorama that he was not.”
Note that mosque sources “confirmed” both contradictory reports. Mosque leaders apparently had to backtrack on their earlier “confirmation” when it became clear they couldn’t get away with the lie. “War is deceit,” said Muhammad, but he didn’t say that those who were deceived would always cooperate.
“Manchester attack: Bomber’s mosque has ‘a lot to learn,'” BBC, May 29, 2017:
A mosque attended by the Manchester bomber says it needs to be “more proactive” in encouraging young people away from extremist ideologies.
Didsbury Mosque was identified as one of the mosques attended by bomber Salman Abedi and his family.
Fawzi Haffar, a trustee of the mosque, told BBC Panorama: “I have to be truthful. We have a lot to learn, [we] have to be more conscious”.
He said the mosque needed “proper policies” in place to deter extremism.
Abedi blew himself up, killing 22 people as they were leaving a concert at Manchester Arena last week.
Mr Haffar told BBC Panorama: “When we did find out that he attended this mosque we had to really ask some of our employees whether they remembered him. And some of them say they did.”
Several sources told Panorama that Didsbury Mosque in south Manchester was his regular place of worship. His elder brother Ismail taught at the mosque, and before he left for Libya in 2011, his father would offer the call to prayer, or adhan.
Bomber Salman Abedi was remembered by some as a loner who would sometimes read books in the corner.
Despite wide reports that Abedi was reported by Didsbury Mosque, the mosque confirmed to Panorama that he was not.
But Mr Haffar said that one of the mosque’s imams did report three other suspected extremists two years ago.
“The mosque is open to everybody, and we have hundreds of attendees every day. We are inundated with youth who come to the mosque.”…
James says
The mosque “has to learn” that lying and murder are sins, and sometimes crimes as well. Who are the “three other suspected extremists”, one wonders ?
PRCS says
I imagine, as the mosque administrators already know that, they’re “learning” how to improve their PR game.
D J says
Lying and murder of infidels are duties according to the Koran rather than sins.
DAI says
Ive left a comment at the telegraphs article stating that the Mosque did not inform the police. See how long it stays up.
Patricia F Koenig says
More Taqqia…lying to protect or promote Islam. Islam does not deserve to be called a religion. It is actually an anti-religion…as it is violently opposed to every other religion..in it’s theology and in it’s history. Also, the Jesus, as recorded in the Bible, tells us what a true religion is: It is taking care of widows and orphans in their distress…and staying detached from the world and it’s enticements. Islam creates widows and orphans with it’s continual jihad…and Islam promotes self-indulgence and cruelty, especially towards women…and everyone who is not Muslim.
WPM says
The mosque has to learn to cover their lies better. Fawsi Haffar trustee of the said Mosque said”I have to be truthful (we) have a lot to learn, we have to more conscious? what you have to be awake to hateful sermons ,or families giving support , money help to known terror organizations ,or talking to govt. agents about terror plans? Or that you have to run all those things a little more under ground be conscious you are being watched. What were the other 3 extremist doing? eating eggs and bacon in the back of the Mosque?
kessler says
war is deceit indeed.
We were also told that “a group” of worshippers in Didbury mosque sided with Abedi in their anger towards those condemning Islamic State. Why did the peaceful majority in the mosque not report them immediately to security services, kick them out and ensure they never sat foot in the mosque again – as worshippers in a church undoubtedly would have done?
Because they know Islam is inseparable from Jihad. Because they know allegiance with a Western democracy is unislamic. Because they are stealth jihadists
The liberals/left have their fingers buried deep in their ear canals these days – too many inconvenient facts emerging which shatters their arguments.
We will see plenty more of these attacks from devout muslims – not just the “mentally ill”. And more evidence will emerge proving that the motivating ideology is not limited to the ones carrying out the attack. They are being prepped by every muslim peddling the “crusaders in muslim land”, every muslim promoting Sharia law over Western law, and every Muslim spreading the message of Islamic supremacy.
They are not a tiny, fringe minority. Islamism is gaining traction around the world. One day – I hope – even the liberals will realise it, question is WHEN, and if it’s already too late.
kessler says
Btw – good summary of why the Didsbury mosque is not moderate:
Bronson says
The segment bit around 2:15 where the Didsbury Mosque denouncement of the immortality and immodesty of western society is crucial for understanding the bombing of the Ariana Grande concert.
Her performances and on stage clothing are sexual in the style of Miley Cyrus and she sings rapper lyrics replete with their explicit sexuality e.g. riding dicks, blow (jobs), menage (a trois), walking side to side (i.e. a woman sore from too much sex) and so on. Her videos, like many a pop video is almost soft-core porn e.g https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SXiSVQZLje8
All this would be abhorrent to any Muslim and taking into account the Didsbury Mosque expression of this abhorrence the concert would have made an irresistible target for the jihadists to enforce Sharia which forbids any public expression of sexual behaviors especially by young unmarried females.
In the Islamic view the post pubescent females at the concert as well as Ariana herself were not innocent children but guilty women, recalli8ng Mo’s teaching that Hell was full of women.
Much is made about Saffie Rose being ‘just’ eight years old. As an aside one should question what she was doing at such a performance but from the Islamic point of view she also was already a woman, being two years older than Aisha was when she was forcibly wed to Mo, and who by age 8 was being thigh-ed by him before final consummation of the ‘marriage’ aged 9.
Activist fundamentalist Muslims in the UK have long told people they are working to implement Sahria in that country and it is foolish to think they meant they would do so only through means of the corrupt and illegitimate means of the secular political process. They will use that avenue of course but they will not wait for its culmination but are already implementing and enforcing Sharia in that country with, as on The Continent, women on the streets being the initial target for non-compliance..
PRCS says
Agree with some of your post, but until all the evidence is collected and analyzed, hard to tell if that was the scenario.
You might be correct.
But, if he had carried out the attack a day earlier, or later–would there have been a different audience?
And just as much carnage?
J_not_a says
Agree with everything you said – shouldn’t the authorities finally clue into the fact that there are NEVER any “lone wolves”, that this is a completely debunked myth and proven wrong now time after time.
That these guys have a whole, far-reaching, complex network of support for carrying out their monstrous deeds. Beginning with their families, mosk members and imams, they are embedded into their tight-knit, secretive, hostile, closed off “communities” (who say they want to co-operate with law enforcement but shown to have done the opposite).and that support further reaching from even international terror webs and cells.
Until law enforcement and politicians finally face this reality all their efforts are going to stay where they are now – mopping up after the fact and after many more innocent lives are lost.
gravenimage says
The only reason some of the Mosque-goers “opposed ISIS” is because they were fighting for rival Jihad groups in Libya–like the Jihadist’s father–not because they oppose violent Jihad.
davej says
Islam is a culture of coverup and deceit. You can be killed for criticizing or leaving it. This atmosphere of repression and suspicion does not exactly encourage whistle blowers. Outing a devout student of Allah could be interpreted as apostasy or blasphemy against the Death Cult.
The response of the Mosque is all self centered victimhood with nary a mention or regret for the sadistic massacre of infidel children. Will they start a fund for the injured still in hospital – don’t think so.
J_not_a says
One could send an anonymous letter in the mail or call a crimestopper tip line anonymously, they know that. They just don’t want to.
DAI says
They are in it together. What a legacy Labour and tory voters have left for our Grandchildren
PRCS says
The first part is certainly true.
The second part is almost certainly true, as well.
Tom says
These people in the mosque are either the most naive or stupid individuals or they are simply lying to the Kuffar, yet again, to try and deflect the blame for their mosque creating and nurturing jihad against the non believers.
Any mosque that has a jihadi as part of their group must be immediately shut down and demolished and the imam’s either charged with an offence or deported.
No more giving in to the lies and deception.
Alarmed Pig Farmer says
The mass murder happened at the concert, the next day the media (including Fox RINO) reported the mosque had turned in the mass murderer to the UK gubmint as “radicallized” which made them look real good, made Islam as a belief system look real good. Then it turns out to be a falsehood.
This very important falsehood will not be corrected with follow ups on TV channels and in newspapers that originally propagated the falsehood on the Infidel population. That’s how propaganda works, and it’s a centrally important technique to creating fictive reality.
PRCS says
Never agreed with Molly Ivins, but always did like the term “gubmint”.
davej says
The Mosque should be bulldozed as an example of what happens when you shelter a Jihadist and then lie about afterwards. Perhaps that would be instructional to all the other Mosques.
BTW, could the families of the dead and injured sue the Mosque and, if the Saudis funded it’s construction, them too?
DAI says
Just like Israel does to terrorist s families. Good on you Israel.
PRCS says
Small MOAB.
mortimer says
The Home Office’s Prevent anti-radicalisation programme should be in ALL mosques, not just for select individuals. Those detained should get the FULL-MONTY deprogramming protocol that will deprogram them all the way out of Islam.
WPM says
Deprogramming does not work so us were it work?
Joe says
Any mosque what would report a jihadist to the government would be unislamic.
Georg says
I am shocked, as we all are.
A European says
Mosques are hotbeds of dschihadist , of violence and hatred. Suicide Bombers who blow themselves up in western countries, dschihadists who join ISIS in Syria/Iraq/Libya, hate preachers…, most of them are somehow affiliated to a mosque somewhere in the US or in another western country. Well, not all Muslims who attend mosques are terrorists, but there are confidants, conformists, followers, people who condone islamic terrorism, spiteful and mischievous people who rejoice when another Muslim has blown up a great number of infidels. And, yes, there are also people who loathe islamic terrorism, but even they are unlikely to report a Muslim terrorist to the police, because they are too afraid of being ostracized by their brothers in faith. A Muslim -one must keep that in mind- has a dualistic worldview. For him, moral commitment is determined by that dichotomy of Islam and the non-islamic world. In other words: a Muslim must be honest, loyal and amicable to his fellow Muslim, but he may cheat a kaffir, an unbeliever, defile him, even kill him, and get away with it- almost unpunished, because, according to Sharia law, there is no equality before the law between a Muslim and a non-Muslim, the unbeliever’s life and property always being less valuable than the Muslim’s life and property.
In Germany, there are about 2700 mosques ( according to official statistics). A lot of them are located in backyards, some are big and sumptuous and many of them are named after islamic conquerors like Mehmed II ( who conquered Constantinople in 1453) or Suleyman the Magnificent ( the Ottoman empire was at its zenith unter his rule). Nobody really knows what happens in all these mosques, nobody can monitor them all, there are just too many, but one could at least close down those mosques where radical Islam is preached ( the salafist mosques and those which have links with the Muslim Brotherhood ) Nothing is be done about them, just because our politicians are such a bunch of rug rats.
PRCS says
Mosques are hotbeds of jihadists? , of violence and hatred.
Because Qur’an and Sunna are taught and preached there.
It the texts of other religions were used, instead, one would not call them mosques.
Tom says
While all you say is true, the “moderates” in the mosque are not held captive to anything but the tenents of Islam itself, quietly rejoicing in the gains that Islam is making throughout the west, as a result of the Muslim Britherhoods direct influence over our politicians, and the fear that their jihadi brothers are instilling in the non believers.
“Assimilation is a crime against humanity…There is no moderate or immoderate Islam. Islam is Islam, and that’s it…The mosques are our barracks, the minarets our bayonets, the cupolas our helmets, and the faithful our soldiers. — Tyyip Erdogan, President of Turkey, 2008”
There you have it from one of the most prominent muslim leaders.
DAI says
If you want to see brutality at its worst, google “Isis shoots prisoners with shotguns in slow motion”. Damn,what a vile religion islam is,and its followers
gravenimage says
Contrary to widespread reports, Manchester jihad mass murderer’s mosque did not report him to police
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Well, this does not surprise. But what *is* disgusting it that the MSM bought and has been regurgitating the bs that this Mosque did report the Jihadist.
The didn’t fail to do so “because they have a lot to learn”–what rot–but because they didn’t want him stopped.
PRCS says
Yes, they do have much to learn.
Better CYA/PR strategies and tactics.