Well, even assuming this is the case, shouldn’t this still be preferable to submission to the worst religion ever devised by man?
I’m reminded here of Oliver Cromwell’s reluctance to take up arms against the monarch, King Charles I, and Cromwell was indeed quite hesitant to do so, but eventually he did because he concluded, rightly I would argue, that not doing so would result in tyranny lording over all Englishmen. Cromwell even gave the King a second chance after the First Civil War and Charles betrayed such efforts, leading to the Second Civil War and much effusion of blood, after which Cromwell (and many others) concluded that the King had to go (which of course he did, bravely to his credit, in January of 1649).
Dire situations often require unusual and exigent remedies. Voting for Le Pen, I would contend, serves as an example of such.
Sometimes, you know, and as Barry Goldwater noted back in 1964, extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice and moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue. Yes, freedom often requires a very high price. Very. In fact, sometimes liberty has to be taken to the edge of freedom in order to preserve it (and no one understood this better than such men as Lincoln and Churchill). It’s a profound irony of course, and one met many times with in history (and as the Lord Protector came to know only too well), but such a price has to be paid from time to time. For France, for all the West, arguably it is time to pay such a price right now.
Frenchmen: Vote for Le Pen. She, whatever her faults, may possibly save you. Macron is a guarantee not to.
mortimersays
Macron is promoting APPEASEMENT. Appeasement of supremacists has never worked.
Monsieur Macron, what is it that a SUPREMACIST WANTS???
mortimersays
“You are promoting civil war.” (Macron) This is denialism.
Hey, guess what? There is a civil war already in France and France recognized it be calling up 12000 police reservists to help boost security after last summer’s attack in Nice in which more than 80 people were killed by a truck.
Macron is asking the French to DENY REALITY.
FRANÇAIS ET FRANÇAISES, LE JOUR DU DJIHAD EST ARRIVÉ.
Anne Smithsays
Appeasement is the French default mode. Remember WW II. Most of the French were more concerned to make money off the German invaders than to fight them in any way. They also collaborated with them on the removal and liquidation of Jews. Not all French, just most of them.
mortimersays
That’s simplistic, Anne. In WWI, France had 5 million killed. The French army resisted the invasion but they were unprepared to fight a war. Upon defeat, 2 million French prisoners of war were taken to Germany. Read the following and learn something. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_history_of_France_during_World_War_II
gravenimagesays
Since Muslims have already long since started a war with the French, Macron is counseling surrender.
Maria Sederholmsays
True.
TJsays
If more of the French people read the koran from the right angle, they would come to understand why their policeman was murdered in Paris by a follower of the koran recently. And they would come to understand why it is people of the koran are the only ones murdering members of our military in Tennessee and Texas. The koran is comprised of obvious fables, ugly exaggerations about Jews, the dirty mixing of the physical characteristics of the devil with the blue eyes of white people, and the elimination of detailed accounts of events in the bible for sparse, unsubstantiated accusations. The claim in the koran that muslims can kill unbelievers means they are killing people for not respecting the dubious achievements of the koran. The use of fables, exaggerations, and the concealment of testimony is solid evidence this book promotes phony executions. This activity in the koran is deceit, just like the murder of the policeman in Paris and the murder of people in our armed forces is deceit.
Marine Le Pen has good intensity, but I dont know if she is wise enough in the ways of the koran to prove her case to the French people that she is right to take a stand against islam.
A. ALAMsays
I fully agree.
Macron is surrendering France to the fascist invaders, as Pétain did during WWII, et Le Pen,
has the courage to resist, like de Gaulle. Not to vote for Le Pen on Sunday amounts
to a national treason.
Infidelsays
Hey Macron, if you win and say in five to eight years your country breaks out in open battle between your nation and the Muslims don’t you dare call on the U.S. to bail you’re sorry asses out………again!!! You’re on your own Frenchy!!!!!
Don Fosssays
The French will get what they deserve. Period. One way or the other. They will survive if they vote Le Pen. If not….
Maria Sederholmsays
Very well put. Thank you!
Mike Gsays
While La Penn I wouldn’t call a conservative, the way this Islamic caliphate through refugees is going, Nationalism is needed across the globe.
The ‘left’have a stronghold in France even though they fail to deliver, the French keep voting for the same old same old in the hope that perhaps the next one will get them to the promise land.Sad I know but thats the French for you.Yes drastic times do indeed require drastic measures .Not sure that those times are quite here yet for the masses to ‘get’.As yet the leftwing media still hold all the aces and its going to take a lot more Islamic outrages to swing them .
Emmanuel Macaroon, you, George Soros, and others are promoting theme destruction of France and Western civilization.
efocsays
He says that terrorism is an “imponderable problem.”
And now he accuses Le Pen of promoting civil war.
Sorry to use this kind of language, but this guy is f**ked. Let’s hope he loses big time.
gravenimagesays
Emmanuel Macron to Marine Le Pen: “You are promoting civil war!”
………………………
So slaughtering French people at concerts and beheading priest is not civil war?
Of course not–it’s only civil war if you fight back…
mortimersays
Agree with GI. The jihad is visible in the cars that burn every night across France and the 12,000 police reservists who are patrolling EVERYWHERE!
There is a civil war in France NOW and the LEFTARDS have allowed it to happen through weakness.
gravenimagesays
Grimly true, Mortimer.
mortimersays
Elect Macron? Reap the JIHAD to come!
Go ahead, Leftarded French fools! The Pied Piper of Islamic Jihad is waiting to take you to MOHAMMED’S INFERNO in the next five years!
VOTE FOR JIHAD! Vote for Macron!
mortimersays
Macron is promoting submission to Islam.
gravenimagesays
Spot on, Mortimer.
Stan Leesays
Macron:
You must have had your head in the sand, a la Ostrich, for the last few years! Your country has been at war, an internal war! And, each time a Muslim attempts pleasing his prophet, French justice is more like a reward to the assailant. It is too bad that France no longer has the penal colony at Devil’s Island. Then, the Muslim jihadi fanatics could be sent to Devil’s Island, where they could murder each other!
I cannot vote in a French election, but I know who should be elected and it is not you who is frightened of his own shadow. Ms. LePen should be elected, but the French people will probably dither away the opportunity if I know them. LePen is the leader who understands well the threat to France and will not appease the evil criminal perpetrators. You have only the capacity to do the opposite.
Boston Tea Partysays
Yes, in my opinion, civil war(s) in Western Europe are unavoidable at this point. The governments’ strategy over the last five years or so has just been to keep a lid on the pressure cooker–not to really address the problems.
I don’t want to sound like a pessimist, as I think we have to maintain our values whatever happens. However, a quote from Fjordman, I believe, from a number of years ago has always stuck in my mind. I may not have this exactly right, but it was along the lines of “Solutions? There are none. But there will be outcomes.”
The solution was to never invite millions of Muslims to come and live in the West in the first place, but we’re past that point. As far as “making” Muslims reject Islam and accept liberal Western values—it’s a fantasy. It’s simply not within the power of Western governments or civilians to do that.
mouseysays
i haven’t been keeping up with this much, and i don’t know this man, but my first impression of him, which i admit could be wrong, is that he looks like a fake, like a fake puppet somehow.
Maria Sederholmsays
It is your gut feeling and not to be dismissed. Research has shown that many who have fallen prey to psychopaths have had a gut feeling telling them that something is not quite right about the person, but have then decided to discarded this feeling. As I myself have personal experience of having done exactly that (and it had cost me dearly on many levels) I’m now a walking seismograph when it comes to fakes and con men. All alarm bells ring when I watch and listen to Macron. I’m not a big fan of Le Pen. Even if I share many of her wievs she is not my ideal candidate. Neither is anyone else for that matter. However, Macron truly sends shivers up my spine. And, hearing his supporters cher and chant in chorus after the first round was truly frightening. It reminded me of the masses cheering Hitler and Mussolini.
The civil war in france is inavitable.
the only question about it is when will it happen
if sooner then the christian franch still have small chance to win back their country
if it will be later then it will be a massacer and as you all know islam have no mercy and the christians will be eradicated
Michellesays
Quote:”I don’t want to sound like a pessimist, as I think we have to maintain our values whatever happens”.
That is almost certainly what all of North Africa and the Christian ME thought when the muslim hordes came sweeping down on them for their loot and slaves…and of course, allah.
“maintain our values” is an excuse to do NOTHING properly.
Fighting Islam to win will require TOTAL WAR and all that goes with it.
Just look at the eastern front and the pacific in WW2 for a clue on how to fight such a war. For the west the Pacific war could ONLY be fought once the enemy was no longer divided into civilian and soldier and that prisoners were only taken if and when it was safe and convenient.
In such a war any muslim civilian who supports, shelters or subsidizes jihadis, is a legal target and that is whether they do so willingly or not.
In addition any leftist who supports them openly or clandestinely by action or speech is also an enemy and a traitor and should be dealt with accordingly as were Quisling and Joyce
THIS is what is coming and it is NOT civil war as it will spread across the world where ever there is a muslim asit cannot be localized.
I am no believer but Armageddon is on its way potentially as nukes will be used either by or in support of islam and the west will reply.
This IS a fight to the death or Sharia for all and the decline totally of mankind as a Sharia world has NO ONEleft to parasitize.
Veronika Nsays
Macron is just another Obuma, according to what I have read, he is a man who came from out of NO where and all of a sudden he is this politician that NO ONE ever heard of and this statement comes from a France citizen. Macron supposedly is a homosexual and is married to his former teacher who is around 60 yrs old and he is like a son ( age wise to her old age–his wife) She met him when he was 15 yrs old and promised to marry him when he reached 18… and she apparently doesn’t care that he is a homo.
I lived in Illinois and we had never heard of Obuma but then we started to hear rumors that he came from a gay community that knew him real well and then all of a sudden he’s running for president. The gay community always stated that one day it would come out that Obuma was a homosexual. Oh well, now it looks like France has a white Obuma (homo that is keeping that secret quiet, too).
gravenimagesays
The gay community always stated that one day it would come out that Obuma was a homosexual.
…………………..
Who ever said this? I live in the San Francisco bay area, and I never once heard this.
RationalVoicesays
The French will be getting more of what they have endured in recent years if they vote, as the opinion polls seem to suggest for Macron. He like Hollande will reduce the French to wimpering victims of Islamic madness. The candlelit vigils, the hugs, the tears will not last and anger will build up to the point that a civil war or at least large scale counter violence will ensue.
The policy of these “middle of the road” people seems to be to hope it will go away. It wont and only radical action as proposed by Marine has any chance of working. Being in the “middle of the road” only ensures you get hit by traffic from both directions !!
Leon Jensensays
Le Pen tweeted yesterday: “France will next be ruled by a woman. Either me, or Merkel.” Attached was an eerie photo of Macron on his knees apparently giving Merkel a foot massage.
Richard Paulsensays
I do not think it is fair play of President Obama to intervene in the french election (regarding Brexit as well).
While being upset about russian intervention (without proofs) in the US election. Strange philosophy.
La Légion needs to pay the oily, posturing hypocrite a visit.
Anne Smithsays
It may rebound on him. He tried to interfere in the British Referendum and got his well deserved come-uppance. Most Brits were furious at his blatant attempt to help rig the referendum and many voted for Brexit because of his meddling.
Richard Paulsensays
Hope so.
PKGsays
Electing Macron would definitely signal the final nail in the coffin for France.
France as a nation is highly divided and those who have been disenfranchised, alienated, …forgotten…. are largely the farmers and the working class. The anger will continue to intensify and the gap between the haves and the have nots will continue to widen.
Macron is the epitome of the smooth technocrat -great with words but very evidently a vacuous supercilious character without an original bone in his body. He is truly a puppet of the establishment – the darling of the bankers and the financiers and a product of the preceding socialist government- the French call him “Emmanuel Hollande.”
Unfortunately many French are seduced by his youth and good looks – they think he promises a fresh new beginning for France. Only Le Pen speaks with conviction and heart and has the intestinal fortitude to call a spade a spade. Only Le Pen is able to understand and name the threat of Islamic fundamentalism in France today.
Le Pen is not “far right” if anyone takes the time to listen to her position on a number of issues. . The media and the establishment continue to instill deep seated fears in the French by invoking her father’s legacy and tainting her with the same brush even though she has long since ousted her father from the party.
Macron has said that “France does not have a culture” and “France does not have a problem with any religion”. If this isn’t a statement of complete and utter denial, what is?
France needs someone who loves their nation, and recognises the distinctiveness of its culture and the enormous contribution of one of the most sophisticated civilisations in the world.
in short, France needs another Jeanne d’Arc- and that is Marine Le Penn!!!
Screeminmeemesays
Marine Le Pen is of the spirit of Charles ‘The Hammer’ Martel who, in 732 AD, stopped the Muslim hordes at the Battle of Tours, which was the decisive turning point in the struggle against Islam which preserved Christianity as the religion of Europe;
Plus, one of many reasons to vote for her is that Obama endorsed Macron.
Ethel Redsays
I watched John Hagee on TV last night and for a very popular Christian Minister I loved what he said as to extremism, BETTER TO DIE STANDING UP ON YOUR FEET RATHER THAN ON YOUR KNEES IN SUBMISION. Live free or die.
Porky The Crusadersays
Macrotte, i don’t believe that he’s even French.
Hummersays
I have read Marine Le Pen’s positions and I see nothing far right in them just plain old common sense. France will lose lose lose if they put in Macron and most of all valuable time which they are short of in dealing with their serious problems and regaining their sovereignty.
France is the USA’s oldest ally and I hope and pray the right decision is made in this election for France.
StacyGirlsays
Civil war? France is under siege by invaders whom they invited. The Vichy live on in France.
Richard Paulsensays
EU and a united Europe is nothing new, Napoleon and Hitler also wanted a united Europe.
Thomaspj Poovathinkal SSPsays
OUT with EU, a UNION WITHOUT Jesus The Lord.It is just a PAGAN CLUB, just like UN.
That said Le Pen has offered a pathetic show during the debate, not once going into detail about the rest of her program. She’s done squat outside attacking her opponent – though she got some points on Macron’s views on national “security” and Islam, she hasn’t bothered to explain how she can bring back the franc without creating more debt and such, and ultimately making the french economy collapse, meaning less funds for security and more terrorist attacks on French soil.
The rest of her program holds zero ground. She’s a fucking amateur. She has no fucking clue how economy works. Get over it, people. Get rid of all radical and supremacists from the religion of Muhrdermad, yes, but not at the price of ruining the economy.
France needs someone with a strong leadership with Le Pen’s views on Islam and immigration but with more knowledge in everything else, not histrionic buffoons, defeatists or Islamic collaborationists.
I am a french citizen and the future is looking bleak for us…
Abu Al-Dentesays
Before anyone comments I want to make clear that I don’t want any of the status quo Macron is representing and want our sovereignty back, but Le Pen doesn’t even look like she’s restoring my hopes.
gravenimagesays
I have to tell you that whatever the pros and cons of bringing back the franc, that the worst possible thing for the French economy is the continued untrammeled invasion of France by ravening Muslims.
TLsays
The economy of France is like a house of cards waiting for a puff of wind strong enough to knock it down. (This you need to liquidate malinvestment and to motivate a roll back of communist interventions.) It would be better to bring on the collapse before the colonists’ invasion is carried too far. If you wring your hands for too long, you will awaken one day to find that you have BOTH civil war AND economic collapse, but without benefits like rolling back the colonists’ invasion, eradicating Islam, etc.
Yes, I realize that Le Pen adheres to leftist economic notions. Still,…
Le Pen ja!
¡Le Pen sí!
Le Pen, Le Pen, Le Pen oui!
Guestsays
Maybe it’s about damn time for war
Len Vanesssays
Macaron is trying to rip sovereignty from the hands of the French, and he complains that those opposed to his ideas are “promoting” civil war?
TLsays
His attitude and rhetoric are good examples of projection and hypocrisy, are they not?
There is going to be a Civil War all right that sawed off Runt Hollande is the Cause by allowing Muslims to take over France & run amuck only a Dam Fool would vote for Microbe or Micron he is the runts evil twin & under him it will be another term of granting more power to Muslims
gravenimagesays
Hollande was not the only one. The invasion of France has been going on for quite some time.
Richard Courtemanchesays
If France can’t accept the risk of civil war now when Muslims are only at 10% of the population, Islam will be impossible to defeat later when it’s in control and the French have become dhimmis.
Macron has the type of leadership for the present at the expense of France’s future generations. Very sad.
Thomaspj Poovathinkal SSPsays
YOUNG PEOPLE OF FRANCE, Bring BACK your beloved Country to JESUS THE LORD. He ONLY is GOD above all gods, THE LORD OF LORDS and SAVIOR of all PEOPLE on the face of the earth.
GODS OF THE EARTH have CLAY feet. They will ALL DISAPPEAR, if not today, then tomorrow. BUT JESUS THE LORD REMAIN FOR ALL ETERNITY.
Please CHOOSE the one who can LOOK EVIL in the EYE and ACT.
WOMAN POWER is HOME POWER.
MAY JESUS THE LORD BLESS YOU AND KEEP YOU ALL.
VICTORY TO FRANCE AND HER GOOD PEOPLE.
gravenimagesays
Here’s what Macron had to say after the Jihad shooting attack at the Champs-Élysées that targeted police–he said terrorism in the country was an “imponderable” threat that “will be a fact of daily life in the coming years.”
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Wellington says
“You are promoting civil war.”
Well, even assuming this is the case, shouldn’t this still be preferable to submission to the worst religion ever devised by man?
I’m reminded here of Oliver Cromwell’s reluctance to take up arms against the monarch, King Charles I, and Cromwell was indeed quite hesitant to do so, but eventually he did because he concluded, rightly I would argue, that not doing so would result in tyranny lording over all Englishmen. Cromwell even gave the King a second chance after the First Civil War and Charles betrayed such efforts, leading to the Second Civil War and much effusion of blood, after which Cromwell (and many others) concluded that the King had to go (which of course he did, bravely to his credit, in January of 1649).
Dire situations often require unusual and exigent remedies. Voting for Le Pen, I would contend, serves as an example of such.
Sometimes, you know, and as Barry Goldwater noted back in 1964, extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice and moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue. Yes, freedom often requires a very high price. Very. In fact, sometimes liberty has to be taken to the edge of freedom in order to preserve it (and no one understood this better than such men as Lincoln and Churchill). It’s a profound irony of course, and one met many times with in history (and as the Lord Protector came to know only too well), but such a price has to be paid from time to time. For France, for all the West, arguably it is time to pay such a price right now.
Frenchmen: Vote for Le Pen. She, whatever her faults, may possibly save you. Macron is a guarantee not to.
mortimer says
Macron is promoting APPEASEMENT. Appeasement of supremacists has never worked.
Monsieur Macron, what is it that a SUPREMACIST WANTS???
mortimer says
“You are promoting civil war.” (Macron) This is denialism.
Hey, guess what? There is a civil war already in France and France recognized it be calling up 12000 police reservists to help boost security after last summer’s attack in Nice in which more than 80 people were killed by a truck.
Macron is asking the French to DENY REALITY.
FRANÇAIS ET FRANÇAISES, LE JOUR DU DJIHAD EST ARRIVÉ.
Anne Smith says
Appeasement is the French default mode. Remember WW II. Most of the French were more concerned to make money off the German invaders than to fight them in any way. They also collaborated with them on the removal and liquidation of Jews. Not all French, just most of them.
mortimer says
That’s simplistic, Anne. In WWI, France had 5 million killed. The French army resisted the invasion but they were unprepared to fight a war. Upon defeat, 2 million French prisoners of war were taken to Germany. Read the following and learn something. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_history_of_France_during_World_War_II
gravenimage says
Since Muslims have already long since started a war with the French, Macron is counseling surrender.
Maria Sederholm says
True.
TJ says
If more of the French people read the koran from the right angle, they would come to understand why their policeman was murdered in Paris by a follower of the koran recently. And they would come to understand why it is people of the koran are the only ones murdering members of our military in Tennessee and Texas. The koran is comprised of obvious fables, ugly exaggerations about Jews, the dirty mixing of the physical characteristics of the devil with the blue eyes of white people, and the elimination of detailed accounts of events in the bible for sparse, unsubstantiated accusations. The claim in the koran that muslims can kill unbelievers means they are killing people for not respecting the dubious achievements of the koran. The use of fables, exaggerations, and the concealment of testimony is solid evidence this book promotes phony executions. This activity in the koran is deceit, just like the murder of the policeman in Paris and the murder of people in our armed forces is deceit.
Marine Le Pen has good intensity, but I dont know if she is wise enough in the ways of the koran to prove her case to the French people that she is right to take a stand against islam.
A. ALAM says
I fully agree.
Macron is surrendering France to the fascist invaders, as Pétain did during WWII, et Le Pen,
has the courage to resist, like de Gaulle. Not to vote for Le Pen on Sunday amounts
to a national treason.
Infidel says
Hey Macron, if you win and say in five to eight years your country breaks out in open battle between your nation and the Muslims don’t you dare call on the U.S. to bail you’re sorry asses out………again!!! You’re on your own Frenchy!!!!!
Don Foss says
The French will get what they deserve. Period. One way or the other. They will survive if they vote Le Pen. If not….
Maria Sederholm says
Very well put. Thank you!
Mike G says
While La Penn I wouldn’t call a conservative, the way this Islamic caliphate through refugees is going, Nationalism is needed across the globe.
roger woodhouse says
The ‘left’have a stronghold in France even though they fail to deliver, the French keep voting for the same old same old in the hope that perhaps the next one will get them to the promise land.Sad I know but thats the French for you.Yes drastic times do indeed require drastic measures .Not sure that those times are quite here yet for the masses to ‘get’.As yet the leftwing media still hold all the aces and its going to take a lot more Islamic outrages to swing them .
marblenecltr says
Emmanuel Macaroon, you, George Soros, and others are promoting theme destruction of France and Western civilization.
efoc says
He says that terrorism is an “imponderable problem.”
And now he accuses Le Pen of promoting civil war.
Sorry to use this kind of language, but this guy is f**ked. Let’s hope he loses big time.
gravenimage says
Emmanuel Macron to Marine Le Pen: “You are promoting civil war!”
………………………
So slaughtering French people at concerts and beheading priest is not civil war?
Of course not–it’s only civil war if you fight back…
mortimer says
Agree with GI. The jihad is visible in the cars that burn every night across France and the 12,000 police reservists who are patrolling EVERYWHERE!
There is a civil war in France NOW and the LEFTARDS have allowed it to happen through weakness.
gravenimage says
Grimly true, Mortimer.
mortimer says
Elect Macron? Reap the JIHAD to come!
Go ahead, Leftarded French fools! The Pied Piper of Islamic Jihad is waiting to take you to MOHAMMED’S INFERNO in the next five years!
VOTE FOR JIHAD! Vote for Macron!
mortimer says
Macron is promoting submission to Islam.
gravenimage says
Spot on, Mortimer.
Stan Lee says
Macron:
You must have had your head in the sand, a la Ostrich, for the last few years! Your country has been at war, an internal war! And, each time a Muslim attempts pleasing his prophet, French justice is more like a reward to the assailant. It is too bad that France no longer has the penal colony at Devil’s Island. Then, the Muslim jihadi fanatics could be sent to Devil’s Island, where they could murder each other!
I cannot vote in a French election, but I know who should be elected and it is not you who is frightened of his own shadow. Ms. LePen should be elected, but the French people will probably dither away the opportunity if I know them. LePen is the leader who understands well the threat to France and will not appease the evil criminal perpetrators. You have only the capacity to do the opposite.
Boston Tea Party says
Yes, in my opinion, civil war(s) in Western Europe are unavoidable at this point. The governments’ strategy over the last five years or so has just been to keep a lid on the pressure cooker–not to really address the problems.
I don’t want to sound like a pessimist, as I think we have to maintain our values whatever happens. However, a quote from Fjordman, I believe, from a number of years ago has always stuck in my mind. I may not have this exactly right, but it was along the lines of “Solutions? There are none. But there will be outcomes.”
The solution was to never invite millions of Muslims to come and live in the West in the first place, but we’re past that point. As far as “making” Muslims reject Islam and accept liberal Western values—it’s a fantasy. It’s simply not within the power of Western governments or civilians to do that.
mousey says
i haven’t been keeping up with this much, and i don’t know this man, but my first impression of him, which i admit could be wrong, is that he looks like a fake, like a fake puppet somehow.
Maria Sederholm says
It is your gut feeling and not to be dismissed. Research has shown that many who have fallen prey to psychopaths have had a gut feeling telling them that something is not quite right about the person, but have then decided to discarded this feeling. As I myself have personal experience of having done exactly that (and it had cost me dearly on many levels) I’m now a walking seismograph when it comes to fakes and con men. All alarm bells ring when I watch and listen to Macron. I’m not a big fan of Le Pen. Even if I share many of her wievs she is not my ideal candidate. Neither is anyone else for that matter. However, Macron truly sends shivers up my spine. And, hearing his supporters cher and chant in chorus after the first round was truly frightening. It reminded me of the masses cheering Hitler and Mussolini.
Relic says
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ip7-ylpV4O0
medaber_emet says
The civil war in france is inavitable.
the only question about it is when will it happen
if sooner then the christian franch still have small chance to win back their country
if it will be later then it will be a massacer and as you all know islam have no mercy and the christians will be eradicated
Michelle says
Quote:”I don’t want to sound like a pessimist, as I think we have to maintain our values whatever happens”.
That is almost certainly what all of North Africa and the Christian ME thought when the muslim hordes came sweeping down on them for their loot and slaves…and of course, allah.
“maintain our values” is an excuse to do NOTHING properly.
Fighting Islam to win will require TOTAL WAR and all that goes with it.
Just look at the eastern front and the pacific in WW2 for a clue on how to fight such a war. For the west the Pacific war could ONLY be fought once the enemy was no longer divided into civilian and soldier and that prisoners were only taken if and when it was safe and convenient.
In such a war any muslim civilian who supports, shelters or subsidizes jihadis, is a legal target and that is whether they do so willingly or not.
In addition any leftist who supports them openly or clandestinely by action or speech is also an enemy and a traitor and should be dealt with accordingly as were Quisling and Joyce
THIS is what is coming and it is NOT civil war as it will spread across the world where ever there is a muslim asit cannot be localized.
I am no believer but Armageddon is on its way potentially as nukes will be used either by or in support of islam and the west will reply.
This IS a fight to the death or Sharia for all and the decline totally of mankind as a Sharia world has NO ONEleft to parasitize.
Veronika N says
Macron is just another Obuma, according to what I have read, he is a man who came from out of NO where and all of a sudden he is this politician that NO ONE ever heard of and this statement comes from a France citizen. Macron supposedly is a homosexual and is married to his former teacher who is around 60 yrs old and he is like a son ( age wise to her old age–his wife) She met him when he was 15 yrs old and promised to marry him when he reached 18… and she apparently doesn’t care that he is a homo.
I lived in Illinois and we had never heard of Obuma but then we started to hear rumors that he came from a gay community that knew him real well and then all of a sudden he’s running for president. The gay community always stated that one day it would come out that Obuma was a homosexual. Oh well, now it looks like France has a white Obuma (homo that is keeping that secret quiet, too).
gravenimage says
The gay community always stated that one day it would come out that Obuma was a homosexual.
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Who ever said this? I live in the San Francisco bay area, and I never once heard this.
RationalVoice says
The French will be getting more of what they have endured in recent years if they vote, as the opinion polls seem to suggest for Macron. He like Hollande will reduce the French to wimpering victims of Islamic madness. The candlelit vigils, the hugs, the tears will not last and anger will build up to the point that a civil war or at least large scale counter violence will ensue.
The policy of these “middle of the road” people seems to be to hope it will go away. It wont and only radical action as proposed by Marine has any chance of working. Being in the “middle of the road” only ensures you get hit by traffic from both directions !!
Leon Jensen says
Le Pen tweeted yesterday: “France will next be ruled by a woman. Either me, or Merkel.” Attached was an eerie photo of Macron on his knees apparently giving Merkel a foot massage.
Richard Paulsen says
I do not think it is fair play of President Obama to intervene in the french election (regarding Brexit as well).
While being upset about russian intervention (without proofs) in the US election. Strange philosophy.
Richard Paulsen says
Obama intervening in the french election. Supporting Macron. ” En marche Vive la France. No fear instead hope.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m2PNLz5ml8A
TL says
La Légion needs to pay the oily, posturing hypocrite a visit.
Anne Smith says
It may rebound on him. He tried to interfere in the British Referendum and got his well deserved come-uppance. Most Brits were furious at his blatant attempt to help rig the referendum and many voted for Brexit because of his meddling.
Richard Paulsen says
Hope so.
PKG says
Electing Macron would definitely signal the final nail in the coffin for France.
France as a nation is highly divided and those who have been disenfranchised, alienated, …forgotten…. are largely the farmers and the working class. The anger will continue to intensify and the gap between the haves and the have nots will continue to widen.
Macron is the epitome of the smooth technocrat -great with words but very evidently a vacuous supercilious character without an original bone in his body. He is truly a puppet of the establishment – the darling of the bankers and the financiers and a product of the preceding socialist government- the French call him “Emmanuel Hollande.”
Unfortunately many French are seduced by his youth and good looks – they think he promises a fresh new beginning for France. Only Le Pen speaks with conviction and heart and has the intestinal fortitude to call a spade a spade. Only Le Pen is able to understand and name the threat of Islamic fundamentalism in France today.
Le Pen is not “far right” if anyone takes the time to listen to her position on a number of issues. . The media and the establishment continue to instill deep seated fears in the French by invoking her father’s legacy and tainting her with the same brush even though she has long since ousted her father from the party.
Macron has said that “France does not have a culture” and “France does not have a problem with any religion”. If this isn’t a statement of complete and utter denial, what is?
France needs someone who loves their nation, and recognises the distinctiveness of its culture and the enormous contribution of one of the most sophisticated civilisations in the world.
in short, France needs another Jeanne d’Arc- and that is Marine Le Penn!!!
Screeminmeeme says
Marine Le Pen is of the spirit of Charles ‘The Hammer’ Martel who, in 732 AD, stopped the Muslim hordes at the Battle of Tours, which was the decisive turning point in the struggle against Islam which preserved Christianity as the religion of Europe;
Plus, one of many reasons to vote for her is that Obama endorsed Macron.
Ethel Red says
I watched John Hagee on TV last night and for a very popular Christian Minister I loved what he said as to extremism, BETTER TO DIE STANDING UP ON YOUR FEET RATHER THAN ON YOUR KNEES IN SUBMISION. Live free or die.
Porky The Crusader says
Macrotte, i don’t believe that he’s even French.
Hummer says
I have read Marine Le Pen’s positions and I see nothing far right in them just plain old common sense. France will lose lose lose if they put in Macron and most of all valuable time which they are short of in dealing with their serious problems and regaining their sovereignty.
France is the USA’s oldest ally and I hope and pray the right decision is made in this election for France.
StacyGirl says
Civil war? France is under siege by invaders whom they invited. The Vichy live on in France.
Richard Paulsen says
EU and a united Europe is nothing new, Napoleon and Hitler also wanted a united Europe.
Thomaspj Poovathinkal SSP says
OUT with EU, a UNION WITHOUT Jesus The Lord.It is just a PAGAN CLUB, just like UN.
Richard Paulsen says
Parking place in Sweden. “Thank´s” to multiculture ideas.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C_ETFmKW0AIEaZA.jpg:large
common sense says
Macron is Obama version 3.0 but for France, appluaded by elites around the world with short arms, deep pockets and souls black as hell.
https://youtu.be/D6H0cjIN4gw
PJW tells it how it is.
Abu Al-Dente says
That said Le Pen has offered a pathetic show during the debate, not once going into detail about the rest of her program. She’s done squat outside attacking her opponent – though she got some points on Macron’s views on national “security” and Islam, she hasn’t bothered to explain how she can bring back the franc without creating more debt and such, and ultimately making the french economy collapse, meaning less funds for security and more terrorist attacks on French soil.
The rest of her program holds zero ground. She’s a fucking amateur. She has no fucking clue how economy works. Get over it, people. Get rid of all radical and supremacists from the religion of Muhrdermad, yes, but not at the price of ruining the economy.
France needs someone with a strong leadership with Le Pen’s views on Islam and immigration but with more knowledge in everything else, not histrionic buffoons, defeatists or Islamic collaborationists.
I am a french citizen and the future is looking bleak for us…
Abu Al-Dente says
Before anyone comments I want to make clear that I don’t want any of the status quo Macron is representing and want our sovereignty back, but Le Pen doesn’t even look like she’s restoring my hopes.
gravenimage says
I have to tell you that whatever the pros and cons of bringing back the franc, that the worst possible thing for the French economy is the continued untrammeled invasion of France by ravening Muslims.
TL says
The economy of France is like a house of cards waiting for a puff of wind strong enough to knock it down. (This you need to liquidate malinvestment and to motivate a roll back of communist interventions.) It would be better to bring on the collapse before the colonists’ invasion is carried too far. If you wring your hands for too long, you will awaken one day to find that you have BOTH civil war AND economic collapse, but without benefits like rolling back the colonists’ invasion, eradicating Islam, etc.
Yes, I realize that Le Pen adheres to leftist economic notions. Still,…
Le Pen ja!
¡Le Pen sí!
Le Pen, Le Pen, Le Pen oui!
Guest says
Maybe it’s about damn time for war
Len Vaness says
Macaron is trying to rip sovereignty from the hands of the French, and he complains that those opposed to his ideas are “promoting” civil war?
TL says
His attitude and rhetoric are good examples of projection and hypocrisy, are they not?
UNCLE VLADDI says
MACROTRON is obviously a robot – created by the globalist banksters!
TL says
Wt…??
BREAKING: MACRON BUSTED! Lied About Tax Evasion? – 4Chan /pol/ Posts Images from Macron’s Off-Shore Bank Account!
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2017/05/breaking-macron-busted-lied-tax-evasion-4chan-pol-posts-images-macrons-off-shore-bank-account/
Buford says
There is going to be a Civil War all right that sawed off Runt Hollande is the Cause by allowing Muslims to take over France & run amuck only a Dam Fool would vote for Microbe or Micron he is the runts evil twin & under him it will be another term of granting more power to Muslims
gravenimage says
Hollande was not the only one. The invasion of France has been going on for quite some time.
Richard Courtemanche says
If France can’t accept the risk of civil war now when Muslims are only at 10% of the population, Islam will be impossible to defeat later when it’s in control and the French have become dhimmis.
Macron has the type of leadership for the present at the expense of France’s future generations. Very sad.
Thomaspj Poovathinkal SSP says
YOUNG PEOPLE OF FRANCE, Bring BACK your beloved Country to JESUS THE LORD. He ONLY is GOD above all gods, THE LORD OF LORDS and SAVIOR of all PEOPLE on the face of the earth.
GODS OF THE EARTH have CLAY feet. They will ALL DISAPPEAR, if not today, then tomorrow. BUT JESUS THE LORD REMAIN FOR ALL ETERNITY.
Please CHOOSE the one who can LOOK EVIL in the EYE and ACT.
WOMAN POWER is HOME POWER.
MAY JESUS THE LORD BLESS YOU AND KEEP YOU ALL.
VICTORY TO FRANCE AND HER GOOD PEOPLE.
gravenimage says
Here’s what Macron had to say after the Jihad shooting attack at the Champs-Élysées that targeted police–he said terrorism in the country was an “imponderable” threat that “will be a fact of daily life in the coming years.”