Deradicalization programs, upon which the West has placed so much hope, have long been an obvious failure. Such programs are based on the premise that the true teachings of Islam are peaceful, and so all that needs to be done is show the jihadis how they’re misunderstanding the Qur’an and overlooking its teachings of peace, and all will be well. But since the Qur’an and Sunnah are full of commands to make war against and subjugate unbelievers, the idea that jihadis can be “deradicalized” by reference to them is just a myth told to Infidel authorities to lull them into complacency.
Well, let’s see. De-radicalization programs have been implemented elsewhere, notably in Indonesia and Saudi Arabia. Let’s look at how they fared. From the Jihad Watch archives:
Gitmo prisoner reveals: Saudi “deradicalization program” is really a jihad training program
11 ex-Gitmo prisoners flee the Saudi “rehabilitation program” and join up with terrorist groups
Jaw-dropper: 25 former Gitmo detainees “return to militancy” despite Saudi rehab program!
Flight 253 jihadist wasn’t cured by Saudi anti-jihad art therapy
Former Guantanamo detainee now top al-Qaeda ideologue — “He was transferred to Saudi Arabia in 2006 where he was placed in a national rehabilitation project.”
Indonesian government admits that its jihadist rehab program is a failure
Nor have they worked elsewhere:
France’s deradicalization centers seen as a “total fiasco”
“Experiment with terrorist rehab fails 1st U.S. test,” by Leo Hohmann, WND, May 7, 2017:
After six Somali refugees were convicted of plotting to board planes and join ISIS in Syria, a U.S. federal judge in Minnesota decided to enroll one of them in an experimental terrorist rehabilitation program.
The program was developed in Europe and operates on the principles of the “countering violent extremism” or CVE, which is also part of the global, United Nations-supported Strong Cities Network.
Rather than going to prison, Abdullahi Mohamed Yusuf, 21, was sentenced in November to a 20-year supervised release. He was granted time served and sent to live in a halfway house. He receives counseling, reports to a probation officer and wears an ankle monitor but is otherwise free to come and go.
But less than six months from the time he was released, Yusuf has already hit a road block.
He was returned to federal custody last week for allegedly failing a polygraph test and watching a documentary about ISIS in Europe.
According to a report by a U.S. probation officer, Yusuf failed a polygraph while under questioning, then admitted to watching CNN’s “ISIS: Behind the Mask,” a film about a Belgian ISIS soldier that was on TV April 18 at his halfway house, the Star-Tribune reported.
The terms of his 20-year supervised release include a provision that Yusuf not “possess, view, access, or otherwise use material that reflects extremist or terroristic views or as deemed to be inappropriate by the U.S. Probation Office.”
It’s all part of a “unique approach to supervising federal terrorism cases,” the Star-Tribune reports. This approach was approved by federal Judge Michael Davis and the U.S. District Court’s Probation and Pretrial Services department, which chose the Minnesota case to introduce the country’s first terrorism “disengagement and deradicalization” program.
In essence, they would try to “deradicalize” the young jihadist.
The program is based on evaluations and training from German researcher Daniel Koehler, who concluded that Yusuf had “a medium to low risk of future offending and a comparatively advanced stage of disengagement,” according to court filings.
Almost everyone in Minnesota law enforcement is not on board with the controversial program, sources tell WND. And groups that try to educate police on the religious underpinnings of jihad are typically closed out of the discussion.
Even citizens find it hard to get the ear of their local sheriff or police chief, says Debra Anderson, the ACT for America chapter leader for Minnesota.
“It’s CVE at the highest level down to the local level and even though the grassroots activists are trying to train our law enforcement it’s almost impossible to even get these guys to have a meeting with you,” Anderson told WND. “I get doors shut in my face every day.”
Philip Haney, who spent more than a dozen years screening for jihadists at the U.S. Department of Homeland Security before retiring in 2015, told WND that Minnesota is not the first to experiment with the idea that terrorists can be rehabilitated.
He says it’s been tried many times, in many places, including the Guantanamo Bay detainment camp.
The concept, that religiously motivated terrorists can be reformed, finds its roots in the “countering violent extremism” movement – an approach that began in Europe and was brought to the U.S. by the Obama administration.
“Rehabilitation is part of CVE. In fact, the idea that terrorists can be rehabilitated is woven into the overall CVE concept,” said Haney, co-author of the book “See Something Say Nothing: A Homeland Security Officer Exposes the Government’s Submission to Jihad.”
“But the bottom line is these programs have been demonstrable failures,” he said. “They started with Saudi Arabia rehabbing Gitmo prisoners, and it’s actually achieved the opposite results.”…
john spielman says
just stop this nonsense about “deradicalization” because ISIS- IS islam in all its murderous evil practices. you cannot change islam any more than you can bring muhammed back from the dead and deprogram him!
just deport these muslims to any crapistan once they have served their prison time
AleX says
I would ‘deprogramm’ mohomot myself with a few slaps in the face if I found him. Gravedigging wouldn’t be a problem, since the reward would give me a great deal of joy. I am aware I would have to stay in line, though.
mortimer says
Deradicatlization is inadequate because it tries to make Muslims stop seeing what they see in the hadiths, Sira and Koran, namely, that the Islamic Trilogy clearly teaches JIHAD-WARFARE AGAINST DISBELIEVERS.
Jihad is the sixth pillar of Islam and is fought in four ways 1) sword 2) pen 3) mouth 4) money.
Mohammed is the exemplar of jihad. Mohammed assassinated, threatened, sneakily attacked sleeping villagers, beheaded, stoned, tortured, plundered, raped, enslaved, lied, deceived, acted opportunistically. Mohammed’s example is eternally valid, therefore, jihad is eternally valid.
De-programming right out of Islam is the only technique that will work because it INVALIDATES ISLAM, rather than tries to invalidate jihad (which imho is impossible to do). Anyone who has read the Islamic Trilogy is convinced that jihad is the main act in Islam.
In fact, 51% of the Islamic Trilogy (548,190 words) is political.
– 64% of the Koran is devoted to the kafir problem and is political.
-37% of the hadiths is devoted to the kafir problem and is political.
– 81% of the Sira is devoted to the kafir problem and is political.
In total, 51% of Islam’s foundational texts (the Islamic trilogy) is devoted to resolving the kafir problem and is political. Islam’s problem with kafirs is that they do not accept that Mohammed is a prophet, so Muslims must subjugate them militarily.
Jihadists cannot therefore be ‘deradicalized’ in the sense of making them believe they do not see what they see in Trilogy.
gravenimage says
Mortimer wrote:
De-programming right out of Islam is the only technique that will work because it INVALIDATES ISLAM
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With all respect, Mortimer, where has this ever worked?
And citing apostates does not work, since these are people who decided to leave Islam *on their own*, not at the behest of the “filthy Infidels”. And much as I respect apostates from Islam, they are quite few in number.
gravenimage says
Mortimer, I do very much agree, though, that Jihad cannot be separated from mainstream Islam.
Jeanette says
Deprogramming that falls short of actual scientific mind control (MK Ultra?) won’t work because you can’t reason with unreasonable people.
This is probably especially true when the unreasonable person is extremely heavily invested in remaining unreasonable.
AleX says
This link will enlighten anyone in respect to what Mortimer was saying:https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=YjBDDC4wVxk
Messianic Fuzz says
God has given the entire world over to a strong delusion in that they should believe Satan’s lies. We are very close to the end. Get ready for Jesus to come soon.
Kiel says
Those professionals involved in such openly idiotic programs are themselves brainwashed in the ideology of globalist establishment. Thus they cannot see through the smokescreen promoted by shrewd Moslems.
Jeanette says
They are also very likely getting fat grants from the Feds to do this experimenting, at what cost to the TaxVictims?
David says
“Experiment with “deradicalization” of jihad terrorists fails first U.S. test”
Duh.
There was never any evidence from anywhere that this would be successful. Just wishful thinking.
Anne Smith says
What exactly is the meaning of the word “radicalised”? I have never seen this defined.
Is it not being used as a euphemism for “devout” ?
Of course, to call terrorists “devout” Muslims might give the game away.
Jeanette says
It would work if the Feds used MK Ultra mind control on the Muslims.
But so far the behavior of the Feds has pointed more toward allowing the Muslims to kill us than toward making any positive changes in the behavior of Muslims.
And besides, why bring in Muslims to MK Ultra mind control them? Why not just leave them in the middle east and let incest and violence reduce their numbers?
Frank verderber says
Consider what Hitler said in Mien Kampf – that no one can secure a people without a religion. The religion becomes the guide post for political ideology. The RC church understood this and promoted the idea of “propaganda.” Religion provides the first and last vestage of future hope. Muslims want eternal life and they seek it through their own work of fealty toward Allah. The future reward will give them the peace they seek in paradise – joy, fulfilment and eternal peace. Their morality is based upon their own personal need. Whsa the western nations have refused to do is to give these people the Gospel of Jesus Christ. Satan motivates the soul toward angry zeal. Christ motivates the soul toward peace and joyful surrender. Psychology is worthless. Muslims need a new religion – Christianity for their hope of peace, joy and plenty.
Jeanette says
Muslims don’t want eternal peace. They want eternal rape; that’s why 72 virgins appeals to them. Ever notice that there aren’t 72 male virgins for Muslim women? Aside from Mohammed’s vicious hatred of women, he left 72 male virgins out of the equation because how were women going to enjoy perpetual rape of male virgins?
A people whose greatest happiness is terrorizing and then slitting the throats of animals and people wouldn’t know “joy” if it bit them.
They won’t be converted to Christianity by mere humans. Islam was engineered to train them not to allow anyone to reason with them, and that training has proven to be effective for 1,400 years.
So, it will have to be MK Ultra, or Jesus Himself.
Krazy Kafir says
“The program was developed in Europe”
This says it all. Created by the world’s foremost dhimmis.
topposter says
Well, at least they’re acknowledging that watching CNN is akin to viewing “material that reflects extremist or terroristic views”.
eagle says
CAIR is up in arms over every police department that revels a training course that might improve safety for the American people. I applaud the Arizona Police Association (APA) and recommend Guandolo’s, Understanding the Threat (UTT) be scheduled to hold a law enforcement training May 16-18 in Mesa, Ariz., at the invitation of the Arizona Police Association (APA). The training is reportedly “POST Certified,” meaning it fits curriculum standards set by the Arizona Peace Officer Standards and Training Board.
The request to cancel Guandolo’s, Understanding the Threat (UTT) suggests the intention of CAIR’s ambition to keep the enforcement agencies behind the learning curve when it comes to learning about how toxic this Muslim body is. This Muslim body is preparing through population, politics and every weakness they can find in the Constitution to take over America. This sounds very bizarre, however, if someone mentioned the 9/11 before it happened, it would also be considered bizarre.
The following: https://creepingsharia.wordpress.com/2017/04/25/doj-shakes-down-culpeper-county-for-mosque/ is a perfect example of what is going on all across the country. The abuse of the Religious Land Use and Institutionalized Persons Act. The following: https://creepingsharia.wordpress.com/2017/04/25/doj-shakes-down-culpeper-county-for-mosque/
is a perfect example of what is going on all across the country. The abuse of the Religious Land Use and Institutionalized Persons Act. This Act needs to be repealed or amended. The abuse of the Religious Land Use and Institutionalized Persons Act by CAIR that allows a Muslim mosque to be placed in any town against the town’s people’s core beliefs and zoning laws or face a massive law suit the towns people cannot afford. A Mosque in any town, every town paid for by the Islamic society will over run this country. The American people need to have their peace. A mosque forcibly placed in a predominately Christian town regardless of a town’s zoning law and the will of the majority of the people. All issues Islamic lead back to immigration, CAIR and George Soro.
Vyx says
The recidivism rate is around 75% for regular criminals.
We’ve had generations to address that and we can’t change it.
So instead we’re going to change the way religiously inspired nutjobs think?
Might was well start working on that program that teaches pigs to fly.
John A. Marre says
Deluding oneself with the fantasy that “radicalism” is something different from Islam, and that you can take radical out of radical Islamic and be left with a peaceful, tolerant, kind, understanding ideology.
The only way to turn radical Islamic into something peaceful is to take the Islamic part out of it.
mousey says
The saudi gov’t tries to stop its guys going to fight elsewhere and then come home to eye the king…. To help keep things in order, saudi arabia has terrorist rehab centers.
It’s great how they derad people: one guy who went through the rehab program near riyadh told a reporter what they taught him at the rehab center: Stop your improper jihad! Instead learn the 3 key points about engaging in proper jihad:
1. we should be under one flag, one leader
2. we should have permission from the ruler.
3. our parents must approve our going on jihad.
Jeanette says
In other words, be killers, but be good little killers!
billybob says
Well I think a deradicalization program could work if conducted using basic psychological science such as electro-aversion therapy and electroshock therapy. In fact, I could almost guarantee it. I think these terrorists should be given two choices, either be thrown from an airplane over the Atlantic from 30,000 feet, or accept a course of my recommended treatment, such course to last as long as it takes, or until the patient dies, whichever comes first.
Jeanette says
I don’t think we should be taking any trouble with the, other than returning them to some Muslim country.
We have people here in the US who have lost their homes, who don’t have the basics of life, but we’re going to spend money for hosts of scientists and medical professionals to do electro-aversion therapy on millions of Muslims?
And what then – just hope that their children never find out what was done to them and turn into jihadis themselves?
No; let’s just return them to places where they can kill each other, and marry their first cousins, to their hearts’ content. Don’t let them back into non-Muslim regions. And don’t send them anything or anyone that would help increase their population. Then just sit back and watch them kill each other off and die from incest-related conditions.
Can we even imagine what the world would be like without them?
gravenimage says
Experiment with “deradicalization” of jihad terrorists fails first U.S. test
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This should, I’m afraid, surprise no one.
Troybeam says
Will never happen, cannot change behavior or thought that has been pounded into a person from birth until death, only a person with a real soul will walk away from Islam because they realize it is so wrong on all levels, these are the brave souls that people need to help protect from the violent animal that is Islam.
Jeanette says
Muslims are almost robots – they are so engineered by the system.
And yes, let’s do protect all two dozen of the brave souls who would like to renounce and depart Islam.
pfwag says
The only way a radical Muslim, or any Muslim for that matter, can be reformed would be for them to repudiate all the “Jews are pigs” and “kill the infidels” pronunciations form their moon-bat god and crazy, murdering, pedophile prophet. Of course to do so means that they are now worse than an infidel and are to be killed by the faithful true believers.
abad says
Gee, and it is so much cheaper to deport them all to Syria.
We do not want jihadis in the United States of America. They need to get off our turf and pronto.
Sarah says
Oh please. Deradicalisation programs are nothing more than a circle jerk wherein a bunch of extremely self satisfied ‘professionals’ get a bunch of these ingrate’s together and try to explain to them how its not very nice to want to kill people for your God. The same said ‘professionals’ who institute therapy that includes all kinds of warm feeling nonsense like arts and crafts, group therapy sessions where you talk about your feelings, cooking and gardening.
Where these ‘professionals’ with their degrees in psychobabble try to earnestly convince these murderers and wannabe murderers that they are interpreting the Quran incorrectly and are mistaken in what is the true spirit of Islam.
Yeah. Because reading it and applying it accurately to the letter, apparently means you have it confused and wrong. And because some Westerner with a handful of letters behind his or her name from a Western university is completely capable of not only handling these waste’s of space who cannot even be considered human beings – and of course that they are absolute experts in Islam who DO understand the true spirit and meaning of Islam.
(Its genuinely hurting right now. The pain in my eye socket’s, from rolling my eyes as hard as I am.)
Then, as soon as the little murderer has had the ‘epiphany’ wherein he just needs to nod along to these ‘professionals’ and babble away, filling their ears with what they want to hear, things like: ‘OMG! I was totes wrong! Amazeballs! Islam really IS the religion of peace! Mohammed and Allah, like, totally like, love the Jews and totally like, love the Infidels and I totes no longer want to murder as many as I can and die myself, so that I get to rape and sadistically abuse the 72 virgins Allah’s so gonna give me in Paradise! I guess I had like, a YOLO moment! That’s not, like, swag dude, I see it now, I totes see it.’
Cue a bunch of self satisfied ‘professionals’ patting each other on the back and warm congratulations all around. A big flourishing signature on the document that states ‘COMPLETELY DERADICALISED NOW, I SWEAR!’ and the murderer is sent on his merry way to presumably be a model citizen. Often with a huge reward cheque, access to welfare and free housing and free education (depending on the dipshit nation in question) and that’s that!
Meanwhile, innocent men, women and children continue to be assaulted, raped, terrorized, maimed and slaughtered. I do not know how these ‘professionals’ sleep at night given the blood on their hands.
Tangata says
Best way to deradicalise Jihadists? Just reopen Gitmo with an intense program to critically evaluate Islam and it’s sources of faith… And let ex-Muslims who have left the faith turn them from their evil ideology…