Last night I appeared at the University of Buffalo at the invitation of the courageous students of Young Americans for Freedom, who have to put up with this Left-fascist thuggery on a daily basis, while I left Buffalo this morning. I say I “appeared,” because to say “I spoke” would be exaggerating a bit. Rather, I started a few sentences, made a couple of points, in between being screamed at by Leftist and Islamic supremacist fascists who think they’re opposing fascism.
The Spectrum article below is not that bad a report from the campus newspaper, showing the Left-fascist opposition to the freedom of speech, with a few exceptions: I am not a “self-proclaimed expert on radical Islam,” as I have never proclaimed myself an expert on anything, and my work stands or falls on the basis of the evidence from the Qur’an and Sunnah, history and current events. Nor do I ever speak about “radical Islam,” which is a Western construct that does not exist in the Islamic world. And I didn’t call the fascists “uninformed fascists”; although they are indeed uninformed and think they know a great deal more than they actually do, I didn’t use that word. Finally, the reporters Ashley Inkumsah and Sarah Crowley wrote that I was “unphased” by the screaming fascists, when I was actually “unfazed.”
That said, I am grateful to Ashley Inkumsah and Sarah Crowley for a generally accurate report. Note the claims of victimhood trotted out yet again by the Muslims quoted in the article. They have hoodwinked the University of Buffalo Left-fascists into thinking that it’s “Islamophobes,” rather than jihad terrorists, who are killing people around the world. And that is one thing I said last night, although it is doubtful that the fascists heard it: the guy holding the sign “Queers Against Islamophobia” and any feminists in the audience have no idea what they’re enabling. By shutting down any discussion of the motivating ideology of the jihad threat and consigning it all to the realm of “hatred” and “bigotry,” they are only enabling that threat to grow, and one day, they may very well experience the consequences of their actions firsthand.
Meanwhile, UPD Chief of Police Gerald Schoenle “wished more university staff were present at the event to contain the disruptive crowd of students who were unable to get in.” This is disingenuous in the extreme. There were hordes of disruptive students who got in with no problem. What’s more, Schoenle overruled a plan that his subordinates had agreed to with my security team, that hecklers and screamers would be asked to be quiet and then escorted out. Schoenle actively aided and abetted the Left-fascist destruction of the event. Write him, courteously and politely, and remind him of the importance of the freedom of speech as the foundation of any free society, and the dangers of aiding and abetting Left-fascist thuggery for the future of any free society, at gws3@buffalo.edu. Also Tom Tiberi from Campus Life should was supposedly there to assist in making the event successful, but just stood by and did nothing while the Left-fascists screamed their abuse. He’s at tiberi@buffalo.edu. Remember: all messages to Schoenle and Tiberi should be polite, respectful, and courteous, sticking to the facts and calling them out for their malfeasance and allowance of Left-fascist thuggery.
Below the student paper article is the article from the Buffalo News, which is worthwhile only for capturing one thing I said: “The attempt to silence someone who has a differing viewpoint was a ‘quintessentially fascist act, and you are manifesting it in a wonderful way tonight,’ said Spencer.” There is also this: “Spencer frequently discusses terrorism by Muslims as being religiously motivated, an argument that has put him in the cross-hairs of American Muslims who say his interpretation of Islam is dangerously inaccurate and perverts their faith.”
Those American Muslims have a big problem on their hands, because in reality, I have no interpretation of Islam at all, but only report on how Muslims interpret it, which all too often involves justifications of and exhortations to violence. They are avid to silence me because they don’t want Americans to know how jihadis use the texts and teachings of Islam to justify hatred, violence, and supremacism.
And so the University of Buffalo Left-fascists abundantly signaled their virtue by screaming at me for an hour and a half. What have they accomplished by doing so? Will the jihad threat thereby go away? Alas, no.
“A campus divided: Robert Spencer’s visit met with chaos and opposition from UB community,” by Ashley Inkumsah and Sarah Crowley, The Spectrum (University of Buffalo), May 2, 2017:
Students and faculty piled into Knox 109 to both hear Robert Spencer’s speech and protest his appearance.
Robert Spencer couldn’t speak for more than 30 seconds without students shouting and cursing at him on Monday night.
Spencer planned to speak to students about “the dangers of jihad in today’s world” but constant heckling from the crowd made it near impossible for him to complete a full sentence. Spencer, a self-proclaimed expert on radical Islam, runs a website called Jihad Watch.
Students called Spencer things like a “Nazi, “Trump Jr.” and a “pseudo-intellectual,” and most of his hour-long speech was inaudible. Spencer seemed unphased [sic] as students shouted over him and he responded, calling the crowd “uninformed fascists.”
Students who were anti-Spencer and pro-Spencer attended the event. In the end, many students left feeling little had been accomplished for either side.
“I think what ends up happening in debates like this where there’s different people who feel very strongly about different things, instead of seeing the other side’s perspective is they strengthen their own perspective,” said Fiza Ali, senior finance major.
Hundreds of students and faculty were unable to get into Knox 109, which only fits 200 people. University Police said the room reached its full capacity and letting more people in would be a fire hazard.
Students banged on the door chanting “let us in” as UPD struggled to contain the rowdy students. The officers were flustered and visibly unprepared for the unruly crowd. Two officers searched their phones to find laws to cite to students about why they couldn’t get in.
But many people weren’t surprised with this outcome.
When Spencer’s visit was announced it immediately caused a firestorm across the university and posed questions about the implications of free speech.
Although Student Association did not pay for Spencer to speak, thousands of students and faculty petitioned for SA to remove its logo from flyers about Spencer’s visit and many demanded his visit be canceled all together. Young Americans for Freedom (YAF) invited Spencer for the club’s first official event.
Despite the outcries of discontent from the UB community, Spencer still spoke. He entered Knox 109 to a swarm of boos and middle fingers from the crowd.
Spencer held a thumbs up with a grin on his face and took his phone out to record people booing him.
“I was invited to speak whether you like that or not,” Spencer said.
When Spencer agreed to debate anyone, he was met with a roaring applause.
Students asked him a wide range of questions, such as, what the central tenets of Islam were, what measures the military should take to defend against terrorism and if white men contributed to U.S. terrorism.
Midway through every answer, someone interrupted.
YAF Chairwoman Lynn Sementilli repeatedly asked students to quiet down as they interrupted Spencer while he tried to answer questions.
Before Spencer’s speech, Muslim Student Association held a peaceful sit-in as students gathered on the ground floor of Knox Hall. Roughly 80 students and faculty members showed solidarity for Muslims while some prayed.
“This is our narrative, our voice being stripped from us, and we demand to take it back,” said MSA President Samiha Islam. “Spencer and his followers have never been impacted by Islamophobia, we have. More Muslims have been harmed and killed by ISIS than any other group in the world. We vociferously denounce terrorism at every junction, hundreds of times publicly and privately and declare this is not what Islam represents.”
Kadija Mohammed, a sophomore undecided major, said she was disappointed that the university allowed Spencer to speak.
“I was shocked that there weren’t any moves by the school to stop him from coming, considering he’s banned from the U.K., like you have to be pretty bad to be banned from the U.K., if the queen doesn’t want to see your face, that’s a bad day,” Mohammed said.
Spencer spent a large portion of his speech reading from the Quran.
He read a part of Quran about gays and lesbians that referred to them as “adulterers,” and the crowd erupted in boos and cursed at him.
Sementilli said she expected the crowd to ask “tough questions,” but didn’t expect the crowd to impede on the dialogue.
“They are responsible for their own actions obviously we can’t control what anybody does,” she said. “It would have been nice if they would’ve been more respectful to the speaker and participated in a more productive dialogue.”
Both Luciana Sena, a senior legal studies major and Jared Armitage, a junior political science major, feel conservative perspectives aren’t heard on campus.
“It’s kind of an ongoing discussion here with the more conservative or Republican groups on campus that our free speech is often suppressed and I think that we saw that here today by not allowing one side of the discussion to speak,” Sena said.
UPD Chief of Police Gerald Schoenle wished more university staff were present at the event to contain the disruptive crowd of students who were unable to get in. He said the university will try to hold future potentially chaotic events in bigger venues like the Student Union Theater or Alumni Arena.
“Overall, well nobody got hurt, the points were heard on both sides so from that perspective so from that point of view it went OK,” Schoenle said.
“Controversial speaker at UB shouted down, heckled,” by Jay Tokasz, Buffalo News, May 1, 2017:
It wasn’t Berkeley or Middlebury, by any stretch.
But controversial speaker Robert Spencer was repeatedly shouted down and heckled at the podium Monday inside a University at Buffalo lecture room, as he tried to give a talk on “Exposing Radical Islam: The Dangers of Jihad in Today’s World.”
Two hundred people, most of them clearly opposed to Spencer’s point of view on Islam, sat in on the talk, while another 100 or more people were kept outside the room by university police due to fire code limits inside.
University officials and police had been on alert for the potential for significant demonstrations, in light of recent havoc at other campuses across the country over conservative-leaning speakers like Spencer, an author whose books on terrorism have been widely criticized by Islamic groups as anti-Muslim.
Spencer used a microphone during his talk but was frequently drowned out by shouts and chants to let more students inside. Some students called him a Nazi, while others yelled for him to shut up.
Spencer at times pulled out his cellphone to record the boisterous crowd. The attempt to silence someone who has a differing viewpoint was a “quintessentially fascist act, and you are manifesting it in a wonderful way tonight,” said Spencer. “What you have in this room besides the manifestation of fascism is a very interesting phenomenon in that I would doubt that any one of you has read a single thing I’ve written.”
Students began showing up to demonstrate against Spencer nearly two hours before his talk.
Tension had been building on campus since the conservative student group Young Americans for Freedom announced Spencer’s visit in April.
One of the aims of the group, which has had a chapter at UB since February, is to bring conservative-minded speakers to campus.
Within days, graduate student Alexandra Prince circulated a petition condemning Spencer as a “notorious Islamophobe and hate monger” and urging that student fees not be used to give him a platform on campus for hate speech.
Spencer frequently discusses terrorism by Muslims as being religiously motivated, an argument that has put him in the cross-hairs of American Muslims who say his interpretation of Islam is dangerously inaccurate and perverts their faith.
Spencer is part of a speaker’s bureau organized by the national Young Americans for Freedom Foundation, and he frequently talks on college campuses at the invitation of local YAF chapters….
John A. Marre says
You were warned, America, and you rejected the messenger. When you are bowed down waiting for the machete to separate your head from your body, you’ll wish everyone had listened.
Santa Voorhees says
“When you are bowed down waiting for the machete to separate your head from your body….”
They will get what’s coming to them. And they’ll better enjoy it, since they asked for it.
mortimer says
LEFT INTELLECTUALLY NOW BANKRUPT!!!
Disagreeing with John Marre. ‘America’ is not rejecting the messenger! No. These Leftarded anarchists are NOT ‘America’ and they represent no one.
The Left has now abandoned their ABSURD propaganda ‘narrative’ that Islam is a ‘religion of peace’.
By actions like the one at U. of Buffalo, they have actually ADMITTED that Islam is a religion of JIHAD and that it CANNOT BE DEFENDED by rational discourse! Shouting is NOT a defense of Islam. It signals the total defeat of the Left.
This is a victory for reason and an exposé of the Left’s intellectual bankruptcy.
kev says
if libtards don’t represent america then put them in their place, otherwise you are just like those “moderate” muslims who do nothing about the so called “terrorists”, they just stay quiet.
Carolyne says
It is my belief that there are no “Moderate Muslims.” I believe that even if a Muslim is peaceful on the surface and he will never engage in violence, that he is secretly proud of his co-religionists mayhem and murder as commanded by the Koran. In the 1400 years or so that Islam has been in existence, it has created nothing useful and the barbarian and inhumane culture has only accomplished Mohamed’s goal of killing non-Muslims.
Jeanette says
Carolyne, And if were made easy enough for the “moderate Muslim,” he would kill, too.
Islam = lies.
blitz2b says
mortimer says “…These Leftarded anarchists are NOT ‘America’ and they represent no one…”
Quite frankly they do represent someone… They represent themselves as a willful surrender of freedoms that they did absolutely nothing to earn.
They indirectly and ignorantly represent Islam and it’s promise to overthrow all infidel governments and replace them with the Sharia.
How have we managed to lose the battle against these inept intellectual morons? How have our universities betrayed our young minds by encouraging and resorting to hooligan street heckling over intellectual discourse? How are these pseudo intellects any different than disgruntled blue collared factory workers disrupting a collective bargaining union meeting?
Shame on the left for encouraging such third world tactics to stifle free speech.
Jeanette says
The left – actually the Communist Party – published a brochure in the late sixties. Somehow I saw a rather battered copy of it.
It listed 21 goals that needed to be met to overthrow America without firing a shot. Of course, Muslims were not mentioned because back then they weren’t on anyone’s radar.
But they listed infiltrating our schools and infiltrating and taking over one of the major American political parties.
They have accomplished all but a few of the 21 goals, and they have certainly accomplished the two described above.
So now our schools are turning out good little communists, and the Party of Communists (guess which party has more than 75 registered members of the CPUSA?) supports the communist schools.
Now the communists have become enamored of the Muslims, so now our schools are being flooded with Muslim propaganda, too.
The question is, Is there enough time to turn this around before it is too late?
Tom S. says
John, There are 3 million Americans who are both well-armed and able to shoot to kill at 1,000 yards. There are another 5 million Americans who are well armed and able to shoot to kill at 400 yards. There are another ~50 million Americans who are well armed and waiting for the the first two groups to take action. There are powerful forces opposing the Jihad in the US. We aren’t worried about loosing our heads to them, but rather the general level of violence that will be unleashed if they ever try it.
RichardL says
Tom, I am ex-SOF and a cannot shoot someone at a 1000 yards. You are a bit too optimistic but you are of course right: the US is the most robust country.
carpediadem says
Shame none of them voted Obama out then.
Why do so many American s always go on about how they can shoot and how many people are armed when this is manifestly not helping defeat jihad in your country?
Instead of boasting about your weaponry, how about really getting in there and campaigning, building support, running for office, setting up lobby groups – you know, all the things that actually work and gain power?
mousey says
carpediadem,
it is not helping defeat jihad in the united states now, but if the country fills up with muslims, as the left wants it to…to help them bring the country down, then you’ll have to re-evaluate. The second amendment isn’t there for nothing.
The people of the united states aren’t being taught what is SO GREAT about the united states so half the population are on a suicide path, and they are stopping any action of sanity. Campaigning or getting elected is useless unless you clearly and passionately know what the united states actually stands for, and even if miracle of miracles an elected person does know, someone will probably just kill them.
Grass roots education is the key. First everyone on the right needs to learn what the free market is, what liberty is, what socialism actually is, what islam actually is, why the u.s. is so great, history. Then start study groups everywhere (away from the lunatics that can’t listen)..outside of school… and teach… and fast.
It’s the ignorance of US people that is at the core of the jihad threat to the united states, and it starts with them not knowing what is is that is worth defending.
Demsci says
Mousey, I like your post very much, because you emphasize something positive. America, the West, the democratic system, the capitalist free market system are great, or At least the best known way to organize society and certainly much better than anything Islam has to offer.
If we criticize and reject Islam, we have the many reasons, and that’s true and good. But in a way we then ONLY treat Islam’s abominable values, norms, tenets as negative deviations, like disease or crime, deviating from our own preconceived values and norms. And then we are prone to ONLY denounce and fight them.
We should augment this course of action with treating the wonderful accomplishments of the West, as you mention them, as positive deviations, or rather positive exceptions, to the values and norms that are embodied in the Islam. And promote them.
We would do well to remind people that Western Enlightenment and all it’s ideals and consequence came later than Islam and were a very demonstrable improvement over it.
mousey says
thank you demsci,
i like this site a lot, not only because you learn news and then learn from the commenters, but also because it’s a great place to add comments, and by doing so you begin to learn what you think. Thank you for your encouragement. I find that i am one of those people who can’t sustain a good argument about liberty because i never learned it, and the time is now here when we need to all be able to do this… i’m loving the cato institute’s home study lectures: https://www.libertarianism.org/guides/cato-home-study-course
Carolyne says
Our Founding Fathers knew that there was a risk that at some point in our history, the government would become tyrannical and so they wrote the Second Amendment as our defense against such a government. I believe that many of our leaders in government are being paid by Saudi Arabia. The money is more important to them than the future of their country. Hillary Clinton and the Clinton Foundation has received about $30 from the Saudis, and that’s just what we are aware of. I also believe that many others are in the pay of oil money and because of that they will never oppose Sunni Islam, the most heinous and barbaric branch.
And if the day comes that we need use these Second Amendment rights, many of us will be ready. And we now have a Supreme court which will uphold the Constitution, albeit by a 5-4 margin, but still a margin.
mousey says
carolyne,
what a shame that money grubbers and alinskites and socialists have controlled and controlled.
One problem with the second amendment is that when it was put in place, the arms readily available to the people were the same arms the gov’t would have….now, not so much.
gravenimage says
Voting in Trump is, one hopes, a first step.
Jeanette says
We just haven’t been at the right place, at the right time.
Rest assured that we are ready, though.
Jim says
Tom God bless the patriots of America , and to hell with the traitors.
Carolyne says
In my comment, that should, of course, read that Hillary Clinton and the Clinton foundation have received at least $30 million…..
Custos Custodum says
Now you understand why the Left-totalitarians are so desperate to disarm Americans by deceit and unconstitutional sleight-of-hand: to make the world a safe place for totalitarians and their billionaire enablers who wish to stomp on the faces of free women and men forever.
Look at the faces and into the eyes of those totalitarians who so loudly profess high-minded concern about “environment,” “racism,” “Islamophobia” etc. and gang up to scream down and physically intimidate everyone who disagrees.
Ask yourself what he or she would say and think in a quiet conversation with a fellow totalitarian when the question of death camps and “atomization” of opponents is raised. Look again, think again.
If you don’t feel a chill, you may have missed something. Look again. Look into their eyes, watch their expressions when they think themselves unwatched.
Sons of Liberty says
Exactly , John Marre ! These stupid intellectually deficient students have no understanding of the Qur’an , Muhammed or world history. The Muslim Brotherhood is behind these Muslim student groups . Read the new book Stealth Invasion ,by Leo Hohmann and you will see what is happening across American universities. They stir up ignorant students and professors ,…to go out and shut down any debate by informed speakers like Robert Spencer , David Wood and Pam Geller. This is how you take over the narrative of the truth about Islam. Americans BETTER WAKE UP.
Tell's Arrow says
Kudos, Robert Spencer.
While speaking at a college shouldn’t be an act of courage, the recent revelations of taxpayer funded Islamists and Antifa anarchists is making it more so everyday.
Simply speaking uncomfortable truths is hate-speech nowadays?
Then the ability of those that toss out terms like fascist towards anyone with who they disagree must either be ignored or curtailed.
Both Muslims and Leftists seem to find common ground in donning the mantle of political correctness while lying through their teeth about their own sins. Mr. Spencer has alluded to this before, how supposed ‘freedom-lovers’ on the extreme Left can be counted on to endorse and protect encroachments by Muslims on the liberty of everyone else.
For my part, I no longer think either the Left or Muslims want a civil debate, they want to impose totalitarianism without firing a shot. When they are losing a debate, neither show any qualms about shutting down the debate and using violence to intimidate opponents.
gravenimage says
+1
carpediadem says
Next time, Robert, while you speak, have your speech rolling behind you on a screen. You may lose some of the suspense but the attendees will see what you wanted to say despite shouters!
Sons of Liberty says
+ 1
Lookmann says
This is U S, the land of freedom and opportunity, to live and enjoy !
The lefturds should learn to respect other’s views or keep quiet.
Or better leave US.
HIPS says
“This is our narrative, our voice being stripped from us and we demand to take it back”.
Denying the right of freedom of expression from Mr. Spencer while demanding it for themselves.
Thank you Robert for all your hard work.
mortimer says
The Leftards cannot defend their ‘argument’ because, in fact, they DO NOT have an argument to defend. They are intellectually bankrupt seeing they have only slogans and no intellectual content behind the slogans. Shouting is NOT an argument. It’s a smokescreen for the ABSENCE of valid, reasonable substantiation.
If a thought such as ‘Islam religion of peace’ cannot be defended successfully by facts and reason in a debate, it has no substance. Islam is the religion of continual JIHAD, not peace.
By childishly ranting, the Left has shown it is intellectually empty…BANKRUPT. All they have left is chanting and threats of violence. They are absurd.
George Zilbergeld says
I liked your message so much I have copied and am saving it but what about this: The left retains power because others will not step up to the plate and announce that they will takecare of people when they fall down-when they are sick or need an educaiton or are old. If people such as you and I annonce that we will take care of those needs , then we can regain control and remove the very short facists who control the universites and the media.
RichardL says
Hear, hear! Robert is a saint, in my book, too!
gravenimage says
Yes–these tools are hypocrites.
Santa Voorhees says
“I was shocked that there weren’t any moves by the school to stop him from coming, considering he’s banned from the U.K., like you have to be pretty bad to be banned from the U.K., if the queen doesn’t want to see your face, that’s a bad day,”
It’s clear he doesn’t know that truth is banned in the UK.
Peggy Pajak says
Well, since the university or the libraries where I work didn’t let anyone know he was going to speak here to members of the staff, no one knew about it. I get socialist, globalist, inclusive and LGBT crap stuffed down my throat all the time here, but not any to do with conservative thought. And the dangers of Islam hurt us all, not just the ones who are aware of it.
mortimer says
Peggy, the university has a duty to vigorously support freedom of debate ideas in pursuit of truth.
Universities should be beacons of light, not EXTINGUISHERS OF REASON AND DISCUSSION.
University of Buffalo should be sued if it does not defend public debate and discussion and its funding should be cut by governments.
U of B is LETTING ITS STUDENTS DOWN if they allow ANARCHISTS TO THREATEN TEACHERS AND SPEAKERS.
Carolyne says
Yes, Mortimer, and I believe it is a legally established duty for state-supported Institutes of “Higher” learning.
gravenimage says
Yes, I noted this as well. This Muslimah is an idiot. The Queen had nothing to do with banning Robert Spencer.
Jeanette says
I have a hunch that the Queen is pretty concerned about what is happening to her country and her people these days.
carol says
Memo to Charles the Defender of Faiths:
http://manndeville.blogspot.ca/2017/01/defender-of-faiths.html
gravenimage says
I think you are right, Jeanette. The Queen has no said much, but what she has said shows her concerns:
Queen Elizabeth for Brexit: “EU courts ‘denigrate’ Britain by protecting terrorists”
https://www.jihadwatch.org/2016/06/queen-elizabeth-for-brexit-eu-courts-denigrate-britain-by-protecting-terrorists
Dec Uman says
UK only allows entry of radical hate speech makers from Islamist countries
Dawn says
Exactly !
Muhammad (piss bum) says
Robert, is there any video of the event?
Robert Spencer says
Not as far as I know.
john spielman says
Dear Robert : would you consider posting the email address for the police chief so we can address this security farce directly with him and senior administration of the university!
The students ( and police ) behaved is like Nazi Brown shirts in their intimidation of free speech!
Robert Spencer says
They’re in the post.
Dum Spiro says
I may have found an audio clip. These are the sounds following, “Good evening. I’m Robert Spencer…”: https://youtu.be/mBM4m5UAvms
Robert should be able to speak to more respectful audiences…
— Spero
BillB says
Or more appropriately
Poncho the Angry Donkey Braying Loudly
BillB
Peggy Pajak says
I work at this university and nothing was mentioned, no email was sent to any of the staff about Mr. Spencer being here yesterday. I am so mad about this. I would have attended and at least gave some support to him. I have been a fan of Robert for years. I am not shocked, but disappointed that free speech was again shut down again, and where I work. From now on I will be more vocal about my conservative views about the dangers of Islam.
gravenimage says
Sorry you did not hear about Robert Spencer’s appearance at your university–but not terribly surprised, I’m afraid.
Westman says
To borrow a headline phrase, universities are becoming centers for “the toxic bigotry of sycophantic desperation”. Debt-laden Uber-liberal students already know that they are entering a world that is contrary to their valueless moral-equivalence world and are desperate to hold onto the illusions nourished by the academic illusion factory.
Shouting down a speaker is indeed an act of desperation by a frightened mind that thinks, “Maybe the majority in the society will be influenced by this different thought and then I will be the outsider”. I imagine this is how fascism begins; leading to eventual Machiavellian group actions or to socially and economic dissipative self-destruction as is occuring in Sweden.
Sadly, when the time comes, and it always does, to defend their nation, these same abusers of free speech, who won’t allow civil discourse will, instead of defending it, be looking for a “respectable” place to hide. A journalist friend once stated something I have observed to be true: “Intellectual commitment is the weakest kind.”
jewdog says
They tried to buffalo Robert in Buffalo. Glad he wasn’t phased, though.
Shmooviyet says
Lol.
“Unphased”. How did these fools graduate high school?
They aren’t the least bit interested in hearing Mr. Spencer’s responses. Screaming insults and cursing. Sounds as though they fear their intellectual laziness being discovered.
Poor brains, starved for oxygen and exercise.
jewdog says
..and then he shuffled off from Buffalo..
JAR says
Robert was unphased while these Buffaloons were unhindged.
gravenimage says
Not to be pedantic, but unless this is a pun, it is “unfazed”. 🙂
Pumbar says
Set fazers to pun.
carpediadem says
@gravenimage
“Phased” and “unphased” have been in common use, unfortunately, for a very long time.
gravenimage says
True, carpediadem.
Mark Spahn (West Seneca, NY) says
Don’t be buffaloed like
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buffalo_buffalo_Buffalo_buffalo_buffalo_buffalo_Buffalo_buffalo
St. Manuel II Palaiologos says
I’m going to see if I can get Spencer to speak at my University next semester. Hopefully that will make up some lost time and effort that went on at this University.
Robert says
Dear Sirs of the Campus Security, Gerald Schoenle and Tiberi,
we have taken notice of the complete dysarray you let happen at a lecture by Robert Spencer on the Jihad on May 2nd, 2017.
we are extremely concerned that the most basic principle of a democracy: Freedom of Speech was so trempled on by a few students who were very loud and abusive. You stood there as those responsable for safety and order and watched but did nothing. Robert Spencer and his team were mobbed and this is an offence not only in the USA. We are very concerned that this can happen at an American University and we are considering formulating a formal complaint about your unprofessional attitude to the Regents of the University of Buffalo. In addition, we will ask for legal assistance and possibly file suit at the city police station: you and your staff were unprepared and you failed gravely, sirs.
sincerely,
Robert Gorter, MD, PhD.
emeritus professor of the University of California San Francisco Medical School (UCSF)
underbed cat says
Very professional letter.
gravenimage says
Thank you, Dr, Gorter.
Pumbar says
You might want to spell check that letter before it leaves ☺
mortimer says
FOR COMPARISON, VIEW THE UNREASONABLE FASCIST LEFT WITH JORDAN PETERSON:
McMaster U. MELTDOWN (with Subtitles) – SJW insanity vs Jordan Peterson’s monk-like calm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vMSmUzDt-7U
“It’s best to let the unreasonable opposition speak, so that everyone can see they are unreasonable.” -Jordan Peterson, PhD
annmarie says
Jordan Peterson Quote…………….
“The silence in universities on the part of the professors is defining. There was no courage on the part of the professors in Russia Communism when they started to dismantle the Universities. The same in Germany with the Nazi’s in the 1930’s. Same process.”
kessler says
Thanks for introducing me to Jordan Peterson. I really enjoy listening to him
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tpv4ns52pJo
kessler says
Sorry – just one more. bravo!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1VwpwP_fIqY
gravenimage says
Just brilliant. Thank you for the link, Kessler.
Jeanette says
They’ve been speaking – and raping, kidnapping, enslaving, torturing, dismembering, genitally mutilating, and murdering for 1,400 years.
I don’t want to give them any more time.
Get them out of the West and into some Utopian Muslimland and let the reduction of the world Muslim population commence.
mortimer says
University of Buffalo and other universities who fail to protect the freedom of speech should have their funding reduced by governments who support them.
If you cannot discuss ideas freely at a university, then where may they be discussed.
THE UNREASONABLE LEFT HAS LOST BE SHOWING THEY ARE NOT REASONABLE and furthermore, that they are INCAPABLE of making a REASONABLE ARGUMENT for their slogans.
Their slogans are merely repetitious ‘blah-blah-blah’. Mere gibberish combined with threats of violence.
They have no INTELLECTUAL argument.
Jeanette says
But unfortunately, they do have the upper hand, for now.
What did we think was going to happen when we allowed the communists to infiltrate our schools and our governments at every level?
Richard Paulsen says
It is awful screaming at those being opposed to islam. How can anyone defend islam? Universities are no safe heavens for truth. They defended nazis in the 1930s.
Saying things like ” Is evayone in Germany a nazi? ” and such. The same mentality now regarding islam.
Richard Paulsen says
Correction: Everyone, not “evayone”.
Wellington says
Not one of those people who shouted Robert Spencer down could outdebate him. In fact, in a true debate Spencer would slaughter every one of them. All these left-wing fascists had was noise. That’s it. Well, noise = thinking for thugs and limited people.
Nunya Beezwax says
That’s their strategy for dealing with Mr. Spencer. It works because there are few or no administrators willing to do their job. It’s their job to uphold the right of free speech and to protect it by stopping the disruptions.
Wellington says
From personal experience, Nunya, since I taught at the college level for almost thirty years, a very large percentage of college administrators have no guts. Not much wisdom either. They’re mostly third-rate bureaucrats who are timid, uninformed and have virtually no ability to think outside the box. They also very much tend to be suffused with political correctness and multiculturalism (this goes “easily” with the uninformed element I mentioned above).
Understand, these rubes have lots of degrees. Loads. But they’re mostly mediocrities and their graduate education has actually made them worse, so bad has higher education (lower education?) become nowadays, which is why I coined an acronym to characterize them. It’s “DWD,” which stands for Dodo With a Doctorate. Ditto, btw, for many professors too. So many of them are also DWDs.
My God, they’re everywhere nowadays in the educational world. Tending to “complement” an old saying, that being that a mind is a terrible thing to waste, such “complement” being that a college education does a terrible thing to many peoples’ minds. Yeah, it’s become this bad and there is no end in sight.
gravenimage says
Both Leftists and Muslims prove they have no rational arguments for their positions–all they do is shout people down.
Jason Tellus says
There was a Muslims scholar at the event. He wanted to debate Spencer. Eventually Spencer couldn’t provide him with an adequate answer so he just stopped talking to him. All in all I think it was an event where no one really won. I know the Muslim Student Assocation was very interested in listening to Spencer because they felt that they could easily argue his claims. Many of them even prepared to debate him by watching his YouTube videos and even reading his books (which they brought to the event). From what I know these people were probably more disappointed then YAF members that Spencer was not allowed to speak
Robert Spencer says
Jason Tellus: you are, of course, lying. If you’re referring to the dentist, I answered his question, and answered it correctly. You didn’t hear the answer because you and your cohorts were screaming that I didn’t know Arabic and hence misunderstood the question. This was a false charge: he asked me to explain the maqasid of Sharia, and I did, and then explained that it was actually tangential to what I was discussing.
If you’re referring to the imam, I answered his questions quite fully. Once again, you could doubtless not hear over the din. I did stop going to him because I wasn’t going to allow him to take over the event, any more than he would allow me to barge into his mosque and start preaching.
I would happily debate any MSA spokesman, but on an equal footing. I am not going to participate in a “debate” where I am verbally barraged with nonsense and not allowed to reply.
More Ham Ed says
The fact that any “islam scholar” (lowercase be upon it) is so enraged by Robert Spencer merely speaking, means Robert is definitely on to something.
Ashley says
Jason Tellus: “There was a Muslims scholar at the event.”
_______________
Good grief, Jason.
You “phase” me…
Wellington says
The Muslim Student Association, Jason Tellus, could easily argue Spencer’s claims and were actually very interested in listening to Spencer?
You either sincerely live in an alternative universe or you’re a damn liar. I think it’s the latter. But either way you are no reliable ally of truth. Actually, far from it. Very far.
Robert Spencer says
You’re quite right. He’s a liar. No one who was there could honestly say that the audience was interested in any rational discussion.
Wellington says
On an abstract but I think pertinent point, why do you use Robert Spencer’s name when you’re not Robert Spencer? I mean I fully know I’m not Wellington, who died in 1852, which is to say long ago, but I use it out of respect for this great general and Prime Minister, as one who stood up for the best of Britain most every time (including Catholic Emancipation in 1829) and as a stalwart example of the toughness of the Brits.
Just asking. Your turn.
gravenimage says
Wellington, I could be wrong, but I believe that Robert Bruce Spencer is actually our host’s birth name, and not a nom de plume.
I know his grandparents on one side were Christian Turks, but that does not mean that his surname need be, say, Armenian. I know his father worked for the Voice of America at one time.
Wellington says
OK, gravenimage, but why the two “Robert Spencers” here at JW, one authentic and the other not as evidenced by the underline element in the one but not the other? I got burned on this a couple of years ago and can only hope I’m not getting burned on this again.
Carolyne says
Judging from the pictures, it appears that they were all there to have their tonsils examined.
gravenimage says
Wellington wrote:
OK, gravenimage, but why the two “Robert Spencers” here at JW, one authentic and the other not as evidenced by the underline element in the one but not the other? I got burned on this a couple of years ago and can only hope I’m not getting burned on this again.
……………………
Hi, Wellington. I never ran into the other Robert Spencer–at least, not that I know of. But it seems that this would more likely either be someone else with the same name–unlikely but not impossible–or else someone posing as Robert.
I can see how this would be concerning, although the Robert Spencer here on this thread–underlined name or not–certainly sounds like our host to me.
If you click on the underlined name, that leads you to the JW home page–definitely our Robert.
The underline thing may just depend on what device he is posting from. I heard from a friend who was irked that she could not get her name to link to her website when she posted from her phone.
But I’m not sure how any of this, in any case, would lead you to believe that Robert Spencer is not his real name?
anke Leibrecht says
Someone please send this information to Trump…..
gerard says
anke that’s right. It is within his (POTUS) authority to ensure that free speech is defended.
somehistory says
Kinda’, sorta’, OT
There is a photo of the guy arrested for the fatal stabbing at UT in Austin. It shows someone with a moslim beard.
No moslim name as yet and the PD chief says the guy has “mental health problems.” That statement will help the defense and the chief should know better. But it’s par for moslim murderers.
gravenimage says
Certainly possible that this was Jihad, Somehistory. The perp has a non-Muslim name–but if he was a convert, this could still be Jihad. The poor victim.
somehistory says
If he is, the truth will dribble out somehow. He injured three others; hopefully, they’ll live.
One witness said she was in line to get something from a food truck, when he ran up and stuck (she thought it looked like a machete) a Bowie knife in the guy behind her in line and she ran.
Despicable, whatever it turns out to be.
els_g says
Technically, they are right. Following the teachings of a mentally ill “prophet” is most likely to lead you to develop a mental illness.
dannybou88 says
Never let a crisis go to waste by suggesting another speaking engagement would be in order since this event was disrupted.
This narrative of slander when speaking the truth cannot continue to be accepted.
We all have a duty, perhaps we will see a major shift in the narrative if we encourage students to attend and demand the truth be heard. Our goal must be to focus on the Muslim Student Associations across this country who control the narrative meaning they are the cause of chaos on American campuses.
Nunya Beezwax says
It’s the job of university administrators to uphold the right of free speech. That requires them to stop disruptions like this when they occur. The jihadists and their leftwing allies on university campuses adopted the strategy of disruption, and they’ve been successful at most colleges and universities because administrators adamantly refuse to do their job. Administrators who don’t do their job should be fired.
Aron says
LEFTIST DO this JIHAD FOR JIHADIS
Everywhere the hysteria of Left liberals (sic) is uniformly the same over any critical discussion on what they want to dictate as the Only truth.
Their fanaticism and cognitive dissonance surpasses even the Islamists- who at-least had no choice to differ or step out of line-
but these lunatic bunch have no excuse to be such raving psychos.
TL says
Leftist politics uis truly a world wide disease in need of a world wide solution, albeit one which doesn’t repeat the mistake of striving for world wide government.
k v sebastian says
Spencerophobiacs!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Nunya Beezwax says
Where are the university police? Where are the administrators? It’s their job to stop the disruptions. Why are they not doing their job? Yes, they can. Yes, they should. Yes, they must. That’s their job!
gerard says
Robert have you considered taking some Holy Water with you to such events and blessing the room both before and during the event if needed? Use your hand to throw the water to demonstrate that apart from being blessed it is just plain water.
Ashley says
Robert was an invited guest speaker.
I’m disgusted. Why wasn’t it made CRYSTAL CLEAR that heckling would lead directly to disciplinary action?
Who is the older dude in the photo? The one in the tie?
Let me guess: a professor of transgender studies…
God's Warrior says
It is obvious that this event was sabotaged, with so many showing up early to block out sincere listeners.
Their position is untenable and this is their only recourse:quiet the devastating truth with PC guilt, intimidation, inane jeers. And Robert saw it all.
I probably would have just asked “Is anyone here to hear me speak?” Then suggest we go for coffee or walk away.
Bill49 says
Support young Americans who want to keep America free. Go to UB Young Americans for Freedom Facebook page and like post about Robert’s speech.
https://www.facebook.com/YoungAmericansforFreedom/?fref=nf
Chris says
Robert – you and Milo should do a double-bill. That would drive the fascist left crazy and perhaps demonstrate even more how absurd they are.
annmarie says
The College will move things around and cancel at the last minute. Like Berkeley’s did last week with Ann Coulter.
underbed cat says
Guard dogs should do it. I mean which muslim would enter the room with a friendly sniffer dog.
Or a hot dog stand outside the door…..this type of disruption to shout over a speaker by students qualifies for public disturbance arrest.
On the serious side, this is what muslims and leftist clueless do to since muslims cannot bear to reveal any truthful statements about the roots of the jihad terrorist doctrine.. and must always deny the truth that may put a bad light on Islam. If they make noise maybe you could have a large screen in the background with the printed words of the Quran flowing across the screen with a few pictures, then so what if they can’t be quiet the word gets out.
Jeanette says
And since there is so much incest in Muslim populations, with the resultant drop in average IQ.
Allan Mandrowski says
I sincerely admire Robert’s ability to stay calm.
The left’s hypocrisy on free speech is astounding.
I am left on socio-economic issues, but I am of the traditional ilk, the ilk that values freedom of speech, no matter whether I agree or disagree with what is said I will defend your right to say it.
These morons aren’t intellectuals by any stretch.
gravenimage says
Yes–Robert Spencer’s grace under pressure is remarkable.
underbed cat says
Yes, he is grace under pressure and has been for so very long battling, how he keeps on working, not too distracted by the wall of silencing and another wall of protesters, he faces amazes me he is very brave a shining harbor light of truth.
davej says
The Muslims and their deluded Marxist allies succeeded in their common goal of preventing a fair discussion of the facts. So the net result was a dysfunctional trainwreck where nobody learned anything. Very discouraging to see this happening, particularly in a University setting, although judging by the student’s comments and behavior this University has already failed in it’s goal of education and civil conduct.
It does occur to me that an effort could be made to simulcast Robert’s remarks to those who couldn’t gain entry on their Iphones, as a sort of large scale conference call.
underbed cat says
Great idea…..for this iphone world.
Henry jones says
So the msa had a peaceful.sit in, but was very violent and loud when spencer spoke lol. They are not doing their cult, er sorry, “religion” any favors.
Stephen Schutte says
Robert:
Thankfully, I can report that when Robert visited us in Cincinnati last week, he received a kind and appropriate greeting from an intelligent and polite crowd….and a standing ovation at the end of his talk.
He had mentioned to us he was going to Buffalo for this speech and my friends and I were expecting as much from that ridiculous childish bunch. Sorry to hear of your bad experience in Buffalo, soI hope you can remember your Cincinnati visit instead.
Prayers and best wishes,
Stephen Schutte
Cincinnati
gravenimage says
Glad to hear it, Stephen.
Adam says
Hmmm I was there and I seem to remember you saying something in the spirit of “I just want to debate, that’s not what you want” at which point a cleric and another gentleman with a degree in Islam asked you some questions that you didn’t really answer.
Robert Spencer says
Adam: You’re lying, of course. I answered all the questions fully. My answers, of course, were mostly drowned out by you Left-fascists.
And in the larger sense, I am happy to debate any imam or Islamic scholar at any time, in any neutral setting. I have invited numerous Muslim spokesmen to debate. Most have refused. Some, however, have accepted. You (or rather, any truthful and fair-minded person) can find my debates with many imams on YouTube.
Allan Mandrowski says
Adam, Robert always answers questions and debates. That you drown out his voice by heckling him and “protesting” is the reason why you didn’t “hear” his answers. Next time be an actual gentleman and intellectual and let someone with a different opinion say his/her thing.
The current generation of “academics” are morons, not intellectuals, and the Enlightenment philosophers are turning around in their graves by what is going on these days at faculties.
Rick says
Lack of morals,direction and common sense… Three things all leftist have in common!!!!
PRCS says
“Students and faculty piled into Knox 109 to both hear Robert Spencer’s speech and protest his appearance.”
So, they wanted to hear the speech AND protest your appearance?
Your hair?
Your beard?
The suit?
The tie?
Pistophoclese says
My message to Buffalo Univ:to tiberi
Sir,
Universities exist to broaden minds of the young by hearing out speakers from opposite ends of any spectrum. By permitting MOB behaviour to erode the basic principle of freedom of speech, no-platforming or as in this case, shouting down and disrupting answers given by the speaker, is an old Fascist tactic that discredits, not only those taking part but the faculty that stands aside without taking any action. This is tantamount to aiding and abetting the thuggish behaviour more reminiscent of the crudest bullying undertaken by the Nazi Brownshirts of 1930s Germany than should be found in any seat of learning.
You and your ‘students’ if that is the correct description of the members of this claque, have shamed yourselves in the eyes of the world and denied others of engaging in civilised debate.
Lord help democracy in the US if this situation comes to pass as the future norm that passes for ‘intellectual’ engagement and even-handedness in a debate.
rubiconcrest says
Robert:
I suggest projecting your written speech, line by line, with an overhead projector to a screen above the stage. Use links to social media with video and photos for emphasis. Provide links to your works and references. At least those who come to hear you will leave with something they can digest. Only take questions submitted by those organizing the event. Perhaps then you will also be accurately quoted by the press…
rubiconcrest says
and …. hand out free earplugs.
gravenimage says
Left-fascists at University of Buffalo Robert Spencer lecture refuse to allow discussion of jihad threat
………………..
More anti-freedom fascism at an American university. Just appalling.
Sam says
Robert,
Thank you for disclosing Islam and communist alignment in the US and everywhere else. Hope people are seeing that we are in a civil war and Islam and leftists are still winning. We need to fight somehow in a different way against these idiots with more force. I don’t know how we can win against this giant ignorance of Islam and communism by our youth and their teachers.
Joe says
In the old days students went to campuses to learn something.
Nowadays students go there to get entitled for a good salary job. Not all, but many.
Campuses nowadays represent the modern version caves of ancient times. Harboring the troglodytes of our time.
I guess the really creative “students” of our time will learn at home via the Internet and doing their research on the job. These will become the real leaders. The students who attend a campus just waste the money of their parents and will be the losers later with a lot of debt. Brainwashed by liberal lunatics and not able to think or just have ideas out of the box.
Of course the exception just proofs the the rule.
Robert Spencer says
Wellington:
I don’t know what you’re talking about. My given name is Robert Spencer.
gravenimage says
As I thought, Mr. Spencer. 🙂
Wellington says
What I’m talking about is this: Your 2:56 P.M. post, along with your 8:24 and 8:25 P.M. posts, have your own name underlined, but your 7:21 P.M post does not. I believe a couple of years ago I got burned on this and didn’t want to get burned on it again. In fact, as I remember, you yourself pointed out when I responded to “Robert Spencer” not underlined that it was not you and I should have (as I should have) realized this.
If I am wrong here, I would most appreciate why I have been wrong here.
somehistory says
I recall that happening.
Robert Spencer says
Sorry, I have no idea regarding technicalities of underlining. I will check and see if anyone is commenting here under my name, and remove the comments. So if you see any vanish, you will know that I didn’t write them.
Pumbar says
I think it depends whether the poster types in a website when they post. If they do then there is a link, underlined, if they leave the space blank then there is no underline.
gravenimage says
Huh–not impossible that there is another Robert Spencer posting here–but it does not seem likely. There is another Robert who comments here, but that is another matter.
king edward potato says
In countries that have traditionally been further to the Left than the US, this is normal. I first saw it in the early 80s. Marxist Feminists were the biggest culprits. They are aware that the speaker may convince some of the audience so they shout to remove his voice. In their minds, any other voice but theirs is evil and cannot be allowed.
Robert stated that they know far less than they think they do. Bullseye. If you have ever spent time with Leftists, it becomes very obvious. They see themselves as intellectuals but most of them gain their “knowledge” by word of mouth. They don’t even read an entire book. The ones who waited up to 2 hours to get in to disrupt now have bragging rights, especially to girls. They claim to care but some of it is about play acting the revolutionary and getting laid.
Georg says
Ayatollah Khamenei would have received a warm welcome. Not much more needs to be said or known. Robert is on the right side of history. Just a shame he and those as brave and insightful are unendingly subjected to such aggressive idiocy… but that is how we’ve ended up here, after all.
Nice that the guy toward the back in white with the jihadist facial hair is there to accentuate just who it is shouting down basic morality.
Arthur says
Robert,
I’m sorry to see that your time was wasted in this event. It is also sad that any students actually interested in hearing what you had to say were refused that freedom. I admire your persistent dedication to the cause and your extensive self-education on the topic. I wish I could afford to have you come and talk to my community! The organizers must have felt really disappointed to have their event stolen from them.
The only thing those protesters came to hear was their own voice.
ChzBurger says
Looks like a heavy Muslim crowd. They must have been hollering Allah Akbar, jihad, berkaderka, hajji hajji islam
tim gallagher says
Keep up your great work Robert. It takes plenty of courage to keep facing up to these grubs, whether evil Muslims or their equally evil Islamophile fellow travellers. I admire you, Geller, Wilders, Gabriel, Sultan, and all the other brave people who try to wake up the ill-informed people to the truth about barbaric Islam. I hope you stay full of energy for the fight. And, yes, the pro-Islam clowns couldn’t debate you because they are trying to defend the indefensible by trying to paint barbaric, savage Islam as something good.
gravenimage says
Hear, hear!
Terry Gain says
Mr. Spencer, you are one of the foremost defenders of western civilization and one of my heroes. I admire your scholarship, your patience and your indomitable spirit. I wish you didn’t have to endure the ignorance and thuggery of these miseducated fascists you are trying to educate. Bless you.
More Ham Ed says
“and we demand” said MSA “President” Samiha islam
(a truly dedicated unholy ko ‘ran follower).
Next time I hope the YAF also serves free ham sandwiches, bacon, pork chops, pork rinds, sausage, smoked ham, bratwurst, and bacon bits at the event.
Rod says
Thank you for what you’re doing, Mr. Spencer.
duh swami says
No one needs college any more…If all you learn is leftist crap, the only jobs you can get is a low paid Soros troll on the internet…
FYI says
Mr Spencer,
Thank you so much for speaking the truth.
You are like Daniel in the lion’s den being attacked by the leftie mafia that run our universities.
You are an expert on islam..
well done and please keep it up!
Abdallah Suleiman says
I was at this event and I must say we as Muslims weren’t happy that extreme leftist hijacked this event by screaming and yelling. Muslims were mostly quiet and wanted to listen to the bigotry from Robert Spencer.
My question to Robert, which I did not get a chance to ask at the event is –
1) On what credentials do you legitimize the definition of Jihad put forward by people like Abu Bakr Baghdadi and Osama Bin Laden while ignoring the thousands of Islamic scholars’ definition of Jihad? From scholars with millions of followers all the way from Indonesia,China, Russia, South Africa, Pakistan, UK, US, Central America and all of the Middle East and North Africa clearly defining Jihad as an act of self-defense against oppressors (bad guys) in the process of which no innocent lives can be lost. This is where I believe you lose the argument – when you conflate actions of extremist khawarij with Islam.
Robert Spencer says
Abdullah: If your Left-fascist friends had not been screaming so loud, you would have heard me quote the definition of jihad given by al-Azhar, the prestigious and reputedly moderate Sunni institution in Cairo, as well as that of Syed Abul Ala Maududi, the Pakistani Islamic scholar whose works are readily found in every Islamic bookstore today. Either you did hear this and are lying, or your Left-fascist and Islamic supremacist friends did you a great disservice with their bellowing.
Abdullah Suleiman says
So why not change your approach from “tackling Islamic extremism” to “tackling extremism”. It is not just offensive, but very unproductive and isolates the Muslims who are the only ones capable of transforming the khawarij extremists into proper Sharia following Muslims.
Forceful conversions are haram in Sharia, killing innocent disbelievers is haram in Sharia, Chopping off hands for stealing without the strict legal proceedings of convicting someone without doubt is haram in Sharia, killing homosexuals without the strict legal proceeding in which witnesses have to witness the actual penetration is haram in Sharia, punishing people just on the presumption of homosexual tendencies is haram in sharia. The legal proceedings that allow for capital punishment for criminals are so lenient that a false testimony is enough to acquit someone of the death penalty.
I’m sure you know these things, but yet you are bent over to demonize Sharia and Jihad as if rest of mankind are fools and should believe what you say.
Your efforts are counter-productive because your real agenda is not tackling the violent extremism, the root cause of which stems from invasions, oppression, stealing lands, stealing resources and corrupting the social and religious institutions by the western powers.
And why do you misquote the verse regarding Bani Qurayza? Do you not understand treason? Did you not know that these people were actually sentenced in accordance with the law of Deuteronomy for treason? Jews have always lived peacefully and side by side with Muslims for 1400 years. Are you not aware of the testimonies from Rabbis who say they were the safest and most prosperous under Islamic rule in Spain?
This is where your lies and hate is exposed. And I must say that it only polarizes the good people to the truth and the bad people to falsehood.
PRCS says
Well, Abdallah, your own statement has made clear that there is no such thing as Islamic “extremism”. There is Islam.
“Chopping off hands for stealing without the strict legal proceedings of convicting someone without doubt is haram in Sharia, killing homosexuals without the strict legal proceeding in which witnesses have to witness the actual penetration is haram in Sharia, punishing people just on the presumption of homosexual tendencies is haram in sharia. The legal proceedings that allow for capital punishment for criminals are so lenient that a false testimony is enough to acquit someone of the death penalty.”
You are the fool.
gravenimage says
True, PRCS. Like so many pious Muslims, the appalling Abdullah Suleiman reveals the savagery of Islam even as he tries to show that it is not “extreme”.
Sickening–but *very* telling.
Abdallah Suleiman says
So why not change your approach from “tackling Islamic extremism” to “tackling extremism”. It is not just offensive, but very unproductive and isolates the Muslims who are the only ones capable of transforming the khawarij extremists into proper Sharia following Muslims.
Forceful conversions are haram in Sharia, killing innocent disbelievers is haram in Sharia, Chopping off hands for stealing without the strict legal proceedings of convicting someone without doubt is haram in Sharia, killing homosexuals without the strict legal proceeding in which witnesses have to witness the actual penetration is haram in Sharia, punishing people just on the presumption of homosexual tendencies is haram in sharia. The legal proceedings that allow for capital punishment for criminals are so lenient that a false testimony is enough to acquit someone of the death penalty.
I’m sure you know these things, but yet you are bent over to demonize Sharia and Jihad as if rest of mankind are fools and should believe what you say.
Your efforts are counter-productive because your real agenda is not tackling the violent extremism, the root cause of which stems from invasions, oppression, stealing lands, stealing resources and corrupting the social and religious institutions by the western powers.
And why do you misquote the verse regarding Bani Qurayza? Do you not understand treason? Did you not know that these people were actually sentenced in accordance with the law of Deuteronomy for treason? Jews have always lived peacefully and side by side with Muslims for 1400 years. Are you not aware of the testimonies from Rabbis who say they were the safest and most prosperous under Islamic rule in Spain?
This is where your lies and hate is exposed. And I must say that it only polarizes the good people to the truth and the bad people to falsehood.
PRCS says
From Abdallah’s keyboard to our eyes.
“Chopping off hands for stealing without the strict legal proceedings of convicting someone without doubt is haram in Sharia, killing homosexuals without the strict legal proceeding in which witnesses have to witness the actual penetration is haram in Sharia, punishing people just on the presumption of homosexual tendencies is haram in sharia. The legal proceedings that allow for capital punishment for criminals are so lenient that a false testimony is enough to acquit someone of the death penalty.”
And there you have it, folks.
A perfect example of why Islam (that complete way of life) is incompatible with the U.S. Constitution and the laws which flow from it.
Keep talking, Abdallah. Keep talking.
Guest says
” killing homosexuals without the strict legal proceeding in which witnesses have to witness the actual penetration is haram in Sharia”
Thanks Abdallah, I’ll let all my gay friends know just how ‘moderate’ you and islam generally are.
Are you really THIS STUPID????
Demsci says
Very interesting question, Abdallah and I myself believe Roberts answer. But my question back to you is about the /”the thousands of Islamic scholars’ definition of Jihad? From scholars with millions of followers all the way from Indonesia,China, Russia, South Africa, Pakistan, UK, US, Central America and all of the Middle East and North Africa ‘?
If Muslims consider Quran-Sira and Sahih Hadiths as absolutely binding, is the same also true for those Islamic Scholars you mention? With the specific interpretation of JIHAD that they have according to you?
Because I also heard scores of Muslim apologists deny that Islamic Scholars have to be followed, or have to be considered as unchallengeable, definitive judges of Interpretation of the REAL SACRED TEXTS; Quran-Sira-Sahih Hadiths. This of course leaves hundreds of millions of (other?) Muslims FREE to interpret Jihad as Abubakr Bagdadi and Osama Bin Laden did. And regard that too as VALID interpretation of the only real unchallengeable sacred texts of Islam. While Islamic Scholars seem OPTIONAL.
When Islam-apologists, like Reza Aslan, Linda Sarsour etc. who tell us all sorts of things about Islam, which give us Westerners false reassurance,
speak in opposition to the Islamic Scholars that you mention on interpretation of what Islam is or is not,
will YOU then oppose these Islam apologists? Exposing their lies in order to warn the Westerners, OR abandoning the teachings of the Islamic Scholars you mentioned? With their countless followers?
Furthermore; Do you or do you not agree with Tarek Fatah, Zuhdi Jasser, Majid Nawaz, who are in favor of reform of Islam, and who also are supposed to know Islam very well, and who tell us very different things from what the Islamic Scholars, mentioned by you tell us?
If you do not agree with these,Islam-reformers, why do you think it is that people like you do not honestly warn the Western public, telling the world where the reformeren are dead wrong on Islam? Why do Muslims let reformers give Westerners hope and deceitful leftists fake arguments in favor of Islam?
Abdallah Suleiman says
To answer your question, you must fist be familiar with concepts such as the different sciences required to interpret the Quranic doctrine. Just like hermeneutics relating to the Bible, there are 12 sciences that a person needs to master to derive rulings of Sharia from the Qur’an and the Hadith. The only two groups of people that are literalists are the extremist khawarij and the likes of Robert Spencer. You cannot simply do a literalist interpretation of the Qur’an and Hadith.
The verses regarding rulings have to be understood in their appropriate context and under a traditional scholar. For unknown and unreliable persons to the Muslim world like Baghdadi, Osama, Robert Spencer, David Wood etc. to pop out and preach a literal interpretation is the root cause of all the confusion.
Traditional scholars like Mufti Taqi Usmani, Hamza Yusuf, Omar Suleiman, Mufti Menk, Abdurrahman ibn Yusuf, Sheikh Zubayr, Shaykh Saad, Noman Ali Khan, Rafi Usmani, Shaykh Suleiman Mulla, Sheikh Subeidar, Sheikh Arifi and thousands more have clearly and openly rejected these extremist groups, then why keep attacking Islam? Just because the media is forcing down your throat false information and deception? That’s what bigotry is when you ignore the 100% of Muslims living real world and rely on negligible unknown and unreliable Muslims in the virtual world. You guys cry about fake news, but somehow believe everything you hear against Islam from untrustworthy sources. And the fake news against Islam is a million times fake compared to the rest of the fake news against conservatives.
Robert Spencer says
Abdullah: So al-Azhar is Khawarij? Wow! Have you told them?
Georg says
“…a literal interpretation is the root cause of all the confusion.”
LOL! What a great condemnation of the contents of the Koran. Thank you. Your “insider” Islamic credentials make it all the better.
gravenimage says
More from Abdallah Suleiman:
To answer your question, you must fist (sic) be familiar with concepts such as the different sciences required to interpret the Quranic doctrine. Just like hermeneutics relating to the Bible, there are 12 sciences that a person needs to master to derive rulings of Sharia from the Qur’an and the Hadith. The only two groups of people that are literalists are the extremist khawarij and the likes of Robert Spencer…
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This comes from the “baffle ’em with bullsh*t school of scholarship–the idea that this is simply too complex for ordinary people–let alone you filthy Infidels–to grasp.
But as Robert Spencer notes, Al Azhar recognizes violent Jihad against the Kuffar to be valid–as well as other lovely tenets like enslaving unbelievers and using them as sex slaves.
And this is not just true of orthodox Sunni institutions like Al Azhar, but also respected Shia scholars, as well.
Besides, if Abdallah Suleiman *really* believed that so many of his pious coreligionists were getting Islam all wrong, then he would be preaching to *them*, rather than bothering the good Infidels here at Jihad Watch.
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The verses regarding rulings have to be understood in their appropriate context and under a traditional scholar. For unknown and unreliable persons to the Muslim world like Baghdadi, Osama, Robert Spencer, David Wood etc. to pop out and preach a literal interpretation is the root cause of all the confusion.
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Note that this apologist for savagery neglects to say why so many of his fellow Muslims appear to be so very, very “confused”…
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Traditional scholars like Mufti Taqi Usmani, Hamza Yusuf, Omar Suleiman, Mufti Menk, Abdurrahman ibn Yusuf, Sheikh Zubayr, Shaykh Saad, Noman Ali Khan, Rafi Usmani, Shaykh Suleiman Mulla, Sheikh Subeidar, Sheikh Arifi and thousands more have clearly and openly rejected these extremist groups, then why keep attacking Islam?
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Well, this is grimly hilarious. Mufti Taqi Usmani himself said that Infidels may be attacked using “pre-emptive Jihad” wherever they impinge on the “honor” of Muslims–which includes preventing them from preaching violent Jihad. How does this ‘reject extremism’?
Why would Abdallah Suleiman assume we would not be familiar with this?
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Just because the media is forcing down your throat false information and deception?
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Of course, the media in the West is more apt to whitewash Islam.
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That’s what bigotry is when you ignore the 100% of Muslims living real world and rely on negligible unknown and unreliable Muslims in the virtual world.
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Now he is claiming that “100% of Muslims” eschew violent Jihad? I’m sure that is a great comfort to the victims of the almost 31,000 Jihad terror attacks just since 9/11.
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You guys cry about fake news, but somehow believe everything you hear against Islam from untrustworthy sources. And the fake news against Islam is a million times fake compared to the rest of the fake news against conservatives.
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Where can Abdallah Suleiman point to a single story here that has not been correct? Waiting…
Demsci says
Thanks for responding. Now take Islam from the beginning; Allah intervened, inspired and instructed prophet Mohammed.
Quran-Sira-Sahih hadits (along with daeef hadiths) were written down/ ordered.
It could be and actually IS argued by apologists and reformers of Islam that THIS is all that was coming from Allah and binding. All explaining of THIS is human, not divine.
Jay Smith informed us that the first TAFsir was Al Tabari, and a later one was the influential Al Ghazali, with others in between. But …. these are humans, and I swear that I heard Muslims say they are “not as binding”as the Quran-Sira-Sahih Hadiths.
The same goes for all the HUMAN explainers and interpreters of Quran-Sira-Hadiths after them. All are presented as OPTIONAL, in contrast to core texts that are 100 % binding.
Apologists and Reformers take advantage of the optionality of Tafsirs, and Islamic Scholars.
You seem to rely on present day Islamic Scholars and some sort of system to understand the 3 core holy texts of Islam.
But when OTHER scholars are demonstrably declaring the same teachings as ISIS does, like Al Azhar in Cairo and Maujdudi in India, then you reject them (or your favorite Islam scholars reject them?).
For me this makes Islam Multi-interpretable and thus vague. And in this situation it is easy to argue that the interpretation of ISIS is AS VALID AS that of your own favorite cherry picked Islam scholars.
Moreover you regret that ISIS and Robert “pop up”. But by now the Apologists and Reformers also contradict your “Mainstream scholars” so to speak. And by now these apologists and reformers are less and less credible/ trustworthy in their excuses for Islam.
And they drag all Muslims down with them, and make Muslims like you also look untrustworthy, when you remain silent about their lies.
So it is imperative that you fight these “Islam-misunderstanding apologists and reformers” just as hard as you fight ISIS and Robert Spencer. The apologists and reformers by their very untrustworthyness seem to give a lot of ammunition to ISIS and Robert.
By the way I do not equate ISIS with Robert in any moral way, for me ISIS is “black”and Robert “white”.
Georg says
“I was at this event and I must say we as Muslims weren’t happy that extreme leftist hijacked this event by screaming and yelling.”
It’s plain too see it wasn’t simply a case of “extremist leftist” but also classic Islamic hysteria and intimidation which shut this down as well. If those you all label “far-right” were truly so far right of center, Muslims would be so far right as to be below the x-axis. And yet you are nominally tied with the “the left”, which is a crock of simple opportunism on the part of Muslims, although you are both tightly bound in buffoonery.
Your bigoted, hateful and absurd ideology will be put into the crucible of debate here. The brighter the light and the finer the point one puts on the information contained within the Koran, Hadith, and Sunnah, the more hysterically Muslims attack. What does that say about the Koran, Hadith, and Sunnah? What does that say about what you think is contained within the Koran, Hadith, and Sunnah?
Case closed.
Abdallah Suleiman says
Look up death penalty in Mosaic Law and tell me about it. What does it make your text?
1) 2 Kings 2:23-24; New International Version (NIV)
From there Elisha [the prophet] went up to Bethel. As he was
walking along the road, some boys came out of the town and
jeered at him. “Get out of here, baldy!” they said. “Get out of
here, baldy!” He turned around, looked at them and called
down a curse on them in the name of the Lord. Then two bears
came out of the woods and mauled forty-two of the boys.
2) 1 Samuel 15:3 (NIV)
“Now go, attack the Amalekites and totally destroy all that
belongs to them. Do not spare them; put to death men and
women, children and infants, cattle and sheep, camels and
donkeys.”
3) Psalm 137:9 (NIV)
“Happy is the one who seizes your infants and dashes them
against the rocks.”
4) Deuteronomy 13:6-9 (NIV)
“If your very own brother, or your son or daughter, or the wife
you love, or your closest friend secretly entices you, saying,
“Let us go and worship other gods” (gods that neither you nor
your ancestors have known, gods of the peoples around you,
whether near or far, from one end of the land to the other), do
not yield to them or listen to them. Show them no pity. Do not
spare them or shield them. You must certainly put them to
death. Your hand must be the first in putting them to death,
and then the hands of all the people.”
5) Leviticus 11:10 (NIV)
“But all creatures in the seas or streams that do not have fins
and scales — whether among all the swarming things or
among all the other living creatures in the water — you are to
regard as unclean.”
6) 1 Timothy 2:12 (NIV)
“I do not permit a woman to teach or to assume authority over
a man; she must be quiet.”
7) Matthew 19:24 (NIV)
“Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye
of a needle than for someone who is rich to enter the kingdom
of God.”
Jeremiah 9:19 (NIV)
“I will make them eat the flesh of their sons and daughters,
and they will eat one another’s flesh because their enemies
will press the siege so hard against them to destroy them.”
9) 1 Peter 2:18 (NIV)
“Slaves, in reverent fear of God submit yourselves to your
masters, not only to those who are good and considerate, but
also to those who are harsh.”
Georg says
“What does it make your text?”
I don’t have a text. I’m agnostic. But it amuses me that your divinely-inspired text delivered to the Gangster cannot be read as it is but must be interpreted nine ways from Friday by “thousands” of dissimulators or there is “confusion”.
Abdallah Suleiman says
Why do you support Robert Spencer who believes in a Creator and allegedly the author of these verse in the Bible I quoted?
I thought Agnostics were better human beings. Most of the radical left is Agnostic and I debate with them all the time about the existence of a Creator. Unfortunately, they are very shallow minded but still better than bigots who demonize scripture to suit their emotional and psychological inclinations.
Georg says
I support his arguments against Islam, not his belief in the Creator’s Bible verses. It is interesting when the violence within the Koran is pointed to, you do not defend the Koran’s violence but point to that within the Bible. That is hardly an argument. “Two wrongs don’t make a right”. Most of the material you display is abhorrent and I condemn it. Now, will you condemn the violence and bigotry within the Koran? There seems to be a marked disparity in the degree to which Jews/Christians perpetrate violence in the name of their Books relative to Muslims with theirs… and hence my being on jihadwatch.org and not the non-existent biblewarriorswatch.org.
I do not “demonize” scripture. Scripture does that on its own, I simply observe it — and for that, you all get angry. The only “emotional” and “psychological inclinations” which are problematic are yours and others’ which perpetuate such vile scripture out of some regrettable allegiance to your creed over steadfastness to what is right.
Give it up.
Abdallah Suleiman says
Yah sure. Give it up lol. Its a win-win situation for believers and you want me to give it up? Not only we abide in Paradise for eternity, but we get to live a beautiful life of freedom from the evil, egoistic, materialistic world of yours. We are protected from all evils of the society like drugs, alcohol, gambling, sexual immorality and interest dealings.
Remind me again why I need to give up a way of life that gives me and my family tranquility and peace? Just because you are misinformed about Islam doesn’t mean Islam is wrong. Good luck.
Georg says
Out of curiosity… do you live in a predominantly Muslim country? Or have you freely chosen to live in a den of “drugs, alcohol, gambling, sexual immorality and interest dealings”?
You need to give up this thing which “gives me and my family tranquility and peace” because it is immoral and causing havoc.
Demsci says
Abdallah, there are many disadvantages in Islam as well. But OK you give the advantages and I see that. But your forebears once had a different religion, then they “improved by converting to Islam”. It is my hope that in our time many Muslims “improve and find something better than Islam”.
And it is not an offer that Islam really can make that “you abide in Paradise for eternity”.
If Islam is untrue, it is nothing but a false promise, for gamblers.To believe this makes you a gambler.
PRCS says
Georg:
“It is interesting when the violence within the Koran is pointed to, you do not defend the Koran’s violence”
Actually, he does; enthusiastically:
““Chopping off hands for stealing without the strict legal proceedings of convicting someone without doubt is haram in Sharia, killing homosexuals without the strict legal proceeding in which witnesses have to witness the actual penetration is haram in Sharia, punishing people just on the presumption of homosexual tendencies is haram in sharia. The legal proceedings that allow for capital punishment for criminals are so lenient that a false testimony is enough to acquit someone of the death penalty.”
Georg says
PRCS says
May 4, 2017 at 11:21 am
Georg:
“It is interesting when the violence within the Koran is pointed to, you do not defend the Koran’s violence”
Actually, he does; enthusiastically:
““Chopping off hands for stealing without the strict legal proceedings of convicting someone without doubt is haram in Sharia, killing homosexuals without the strict legal proceeding in which witnesses have to witness the actual penetration is haram in Sharia, punishing people just on the presumption of homosexual tendencies is haram in sharia. The legal proceedings that allow for capital punishment for criminals are so lenient that a false testimony is enough to acquit someone of the death penalty.”
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PRCS,
True enough that he enthusiastically supports it. He tips his hand that he knows it’s wrong when he so quickly quotes violence and bigotry from the Bible, but his conditioning (see his first name) is so strong that it is practically impossible to get him to admit the (often identical) immorality of his own creed’s manifesto. The contents of the Koran make it laughable that anyone Muslim would complain of bigotry. Not sure why someone holding the above views would be in America at one of our universities except for simple opportunism. But there’s not shortage of them. What a slimeball.
gravenimage says
Muslim apologist Abdallah Suleiman wrote:
Look up death penalty in Mosaic Law and tell me about it. What does it make your text?…
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Of course, we’ve heard this sort of rot before. Never mind that Jews and Christians are not slaughtering unbelievers in the name of their faith–would that we could say the same of pious Muslims.
Tu Quoquery at its most absurd.
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Why do you support Robert Spencer who believes in a Creator and allegedly the author of these verse in the Bible I quoted?
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Robert Spencer is not out murdering unbelievers in the name of Christianity–nor are other Christians.
Muslims are, though–why doesn’t Abdallah Suleiman take it up with his own coreligionists if he has a problem with this? But then, he likely does not.
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I thought Agnostics were better human beings. Most of the radical left is Agnostic and I debate with them all the time about the existence of a Creator. Unfortunately, they are very shallow minded but still better than bigots who demonize scripture to suit their emotional and psychological inclinations.
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Is suppose not wanting to be oppressed and murdered by ravening Muslims indeed represents “emotional and psychological inclinations”–healthy ones, though.
Yet more:
Yah sure. Give it up lol. Its a win-win situation for believers and you want me to give it up? Not only we abide in Paradise for eternity, but we get to live a beautiful life of freedom from the evil, egoistic, materialistic world of yours. We are protected from all evils of the society like drugs, alcohol, gambling, sexual immorality and interest dealings.
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Notice that Abdallah Suleiman considers interest to be evil, but apparently has no problems with enslavement and mass murder.
Notable, as well, that pious Muslims consider dating and even allowing women to speak with unrelated men to be “sexual immorality”, but raping Infidel women in Jihad, “marrying” pre-pubescent children, and using unbelievers as sex slaves are all “chaste”. *Ugh*.
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Remind me again why I need to give up a way of life that gives me and my family tranquility and peace? Just because you are misinformed about Islam doesn’t mean Islam is wrong. Good luck.
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“Tranquility and peace”–which includes beheading victims in the streets, the rape of children, and bombing cafes and pizza parlors. *This* is what “peace” means in Islam. *Ugh*.
Georg says
Slave to Allah,
Perhaps you didn’t notice, but I asked, “Will you condemn the violence within the Koran?”
You were enthusiastic about effectively condemning that within the Bible, so what about it? Seems like bigotry to me. It would be nice if you clear it up for inquiring minds.
PRCS says
This notion of not engaging in usury is laughable.
Sharia compliant loans package principal and interest as the amount to be repaid–like any other loan.
Example contract:
The repayment of a 10,000 bongobuck loan will be 10,500 bongobucks.
See–no interest.
gravenimage says
Yes, PRCS–the idea that there is no interest on loans in Islam is nothing more than sleight-of-hand.
PRCS says
Georg,
Feigned opposition to “terrorism” is a well practiced ruse intended to avoid having to condemn Islam’s hateful, violent passages.
gravenimage says
Also true, PRCS–besides–and this is also *very* common–he actually claims that we deserve violent Jihad because we, no matter how sporadically, actually try to defend ourselves against Jihad attacks.
Demsci says
To be honest, PRCS, Abdallah says that all these bad things he mentions are HARAM and that is the word for FORBIDDEN.
PRCS says
Actually, no, he doesn’t.
He’s stating–accurately–that such barbarities must be in accordance with Islamic law.
gravenimage says
Very true, PRCS.
He is fine with amputating the limbs of thieves and murdering gay people as long as Shari’ah law is strictly followed.
PRCS says
That’s exactly the case.
My copy or The Message of the Qur’an, from the Uncle Nihad/Honest Ibe stealth jihad organization makes the same mistake.
Rather than trying to make excuses about Big Al’s “revealed” word” (ala Abdallah), almost all of pp174 of that 5lb monster defines and states why, when, where, by whom, and to whom the amputation of a thief’s hand MUST be done.
I requested it many years ago as a part of their “Explore the Qur’an” campaign.
So, yes, I held my nose and did so.
gravenimage says
Exactly, PRCS–Muslims believe that decent Infidels will be impressed if they are lopping off the hands of petty thieves, murdering gay people, and stoning rape victims to death on the most strictly Islamic grounds–they don’t appear to realize that civilized people consider them savage barbarians in any case.
We’re no more impressed if a revered Islamic “scholar” and a Jirga Council comprised of respected “Shiekhs” sentences a little girl to be stoned to death for fleeing a forced marriage, or if it is done by a ravening mob of the grooms unhinged relatives.
It’s the same thing in the end–and it is all Islam.
gravenimage says
Muslim apologist Abdallah Suleiman wrote:
I was at this event and I must say we as Muslims weren’t happy that extreme leftist hijacked this event by screaming and yelling. Muslims were mostly quiet and wanted to listen to the bigotry from Robert Spencer.
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Is that so? As though Muslims don’t shout down those who expose the violence of Jihad.
And why would you consider pointing out the threat of Jihad to be “bigotry”–unless you consider violent Jihad terrorism to be mainstream Islam?
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My question to Robert, which I did not get a chance to ask at the event is –
1) On what credentials do you legitimize the definition of Jihad put forward by people like Abu Bakr Baghdadi and Osama Bin Laden while ignoring the thousands of Islamic scholars’ definition of Jihad? From scholars with millions of followers all the way from Indonesia,China, Russia, South Africa, Pakistan, UK, US, Central America and all of the Middle East and North Africa clearly defining Jihad as an act of self-defense against oppressors (bad guys) in the process of which no innocent lives can be lost. This is where I believe you lose the argument – when you conflate actions of extremist khawarij with Islam.
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What a load. Pious Muslims characterize any resistance against forced submission to Islam–even that which is entirely non-violent–as grounds for waging Jihad terror.
And it is well known that pious Muslims do not consider any Infidels who have not submitted to Islam to be innocent.
And pretending to consider violent Jihad–as practiced by the “perfect man” Muhammed as “khawarij” is a recent and false form of Taqiyya.
None of this is “extreme”–it is mainstream Islam, preached and practiced by orthodox and respected scholars.
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So why not change your approach from “tackling Islamic extremism” to “tackling extremism”.
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If we were facing a threat from non-Muslims, this might make sense–but we are not. This is just a further attempt to deflect from the fact that the threat we are facing is mainstream Islam, as practiced for almost 1400 years now.
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It is not just offensive, but very unproductive and isolates the Muslims who are the only ones capable of transforming the khawarij extremists into proper Sharia following Muslims.
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Really? If Muslims can achieve this, why are they no doing so? What rot.
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Forceful conversions are haram in Sharia, killing innocent disbelievers is haram in Sharia, Chopping off hands for stealing without the strict legal proceedings of convicting someone without doubt is haram in Sharia, killing homosexuals without the strict legal proceeding in which witnesses have to witness the actual penetration is haram in Sharia, punishing people just on the presumption of homosexual tendencies is haram in sharia. The legal proceedings that allow for capital punishment for criminals are so lenient that a false testimony is enough to acquit someone of the death penalty.
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*My God*, where to start? First, with the falsehoods: Muslims do not consider anything to be forced–hence, if an Infidel converts to Islam with a sword at this throat–or the throats of his children–this is not considered forced. *Ugh*.
And note that he only characterizes killing innocent Infidels as Haram “in Sharia”–in other words, this only applies to dhimmis who have already submitted to Islam.
That means that any of us in Dar-al-Harb are fair game.
Then we see what this pious Muslim thug *does* condone: amputating the limbs of petty thieves and murdering gay people. *Ugh*.
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I’m sure you know these things, but yet you are bent over to demonize Sharia and Jihad as if rest of mankind are fools and should believe what you say.
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No one can “demonize” the horrors of Jihad and Sharia–they demonize themselves. Bloody barbarian.
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Your efforts are counter-productive because your real agenda is not tackling the violent extremism, the root cause of which stems from invasions, oppression, stealing lands, stealing resources and corrupting the social and religious institutions by the western powers.
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The usual bait-and-switch–first, the claim that violent Jihad is not “real” Jihad, then claiming that it is, but all the “filthy Infidels” deserved it because they dared to defend against Jihad.
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And why do you misquote the verse regarding Bani Qurayza? Do you not understand treason? Did you not know that these people were actually sentenced in accordance with the law of Deuteronomy for treason?
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Uh–right. It was not Jews who slaughtered all the men and boys of Banu Qurayza and enslaved all the women and girls–it was the savage “Prophet” himself. And this is not just some grim oddity of history–Muslims consider the actions of “Prophet” to be a model for all time.
And Muslims consider *any* resistance to Muslim conquest to be grounds for mass-slaughter and enslavement–we are seeing this right now in Dar-al-Islam.
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Jews have always lived peacefully and side by side with Muslims for 1400 years. Are you not aware of the testimonies from Rabbis who say they were the safest and most prosperous under Islamic rule in Spain?
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You mean like Maimonides, who affirmed how oppressive and violent Islam was to the Jews?
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This is where your lies and hate is exposed. And I must say that it only polarizes the good people to the truth and the bad people to falsehood.
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Of course, Abdallah Suleiman has not refuted a single thing Robert Spencer has said, and in fact confirms much of Sharia’s savagery.
He does not care about truth and falsehood–just about enabling the spread of Islam, and demonizing those who resist submitting to that foul creed–especially those like Robert Spencer who warn others about the Jihad threat.
Santa Voorhees says
At least Abdallah was interested in debating with Robert. Even though I disagree with him, He proved himself far more civilized than the leftist scum who shut Robert down, not allowing him to speak.
Politicianphobia says
Robert Spencer is one of the few people I admire. Maybe he should start talking to small children, I am sure they would grasp more and not act like idiots.
annmarie says
Good Idea. Maybe home school students can get together and hire Robert to teach a history seminar.
kessler says
Any videos exist of this farce?
Gen Jones says
This event is a perfect example of the difference between Christianity and Islam. (Or if you prefer, Western Civilization and Arab Colonial Hegemony)
Robert Spencer remains calm and even keeps his sense of humor despite the shouting and insults. He “turns the other cheek” so to speak and isn’t roused to anger because he knows his message is the truth and he has faith that once heard, people will understand and believe it. Indeed he holds no grudges for those who previously insulted and mocked him when they come to agree with him. (He holds no grudges for those who disagree either, notice he doesn’t mock or insult them, he just wants them to use their words rather than shouting when disagreeing as we knew by kindergarten.)
The audience on the other hand, is a mob. Everyday in Muslim majority countries a mob stones an errant woman to death, hacks a atheist blogger to death, assassinates a politician who wishes to abolish the death penalties for blasphemy. Mob violence is vigilante violence. They are ignited by malevolent people but unwary and innocent bystanders get caught up in them as well. The mere rumor of a Koran being burnt has resulted in a crowd murdering an innocent more than once. Often that person is an outsider – a Christian or Hindu or “wrong” kind of Muslim – or mentally challenged. No habeas corpus, no charges, no defense, no jury, no judge. This mob is convinced of its own moral superiority. They are ignorant, many are illiterate, but facts, logic, fairness nor mercy will stop them from silencing the opposition.
University students in this case will follow the prevailing memes. A self righteous flame war leading to a protest will ignite on social media over the use of an incorrect pronoun, or a perceived micro aggression while a supremacist totalitarian ideology that calls for the destruction of all they hold dear is ignored as it slowly takes over their world.
Georg says
This behavior we see so often from Muslims whenever their ideology is to be discussed frankly is the rhetorical equivalent to throwing over the chess board. Unfortunately, the broader public still doesn’t understand throwing over the chess board does not constitute a draw.
Jerry says
“…because in reality, I have no interpretation of Islam at all, but only report on how Muslims interpret it, which all too often involves justifications of and exhortations to violence.”
This is the brilliance of Spencer, his logic and reason for acting is based on the most unambiguous evidence. This is where Spencer becomes great in my eyes, when he confronts the demon face to face like at this University. He’s on the front lines telling the truth and making a difference where it really counts. He’s in the trenches doing the dirty work and I’m greatful for it. Men and women of truth do not shrink from their duty, they go where the truth leads them. The man is a hero and I admire him more than anyone else in my life. If Spencer gave up on his mission I’d give up on the universe. Spencer’s truth is sacred to me, because it honors human rights and reasoned thinking. Anyone who fights against that ain’t on the side of humanity one little bit. Spencer has always been meticulous in his efforts. If you criticize him you really are criticizing yourself. Spencer’s message bears the mark of a superior mind and a gifted soul. I know this because soulful truth is unassailable and self evident to those with the right ear. Even if he, Spencer, loses he wins. Because he has done the highest duty to serve humanity and universal goodness. That is, teach the message of equality and respect for human life independent of religious bias and hate. Yeah, I know I’m talking gooshy sh*t. But that’s the joy of living in America. All truth is valued.
Nothing can bring you down Spencer. Especially a bunch of misguided fools in a Univeristy auditorium.
gravenimage says
Spot on, Jerry. Fine post.
Rob says
“Graduate student Alexandra Prince” and the other “protestors” will graduate from the University of Buffalo with a worthless piece of paper backed up by an obviously shoddy education. If a person reads directly from the Quran, how can any intelligent or educated person claim that the reader is, by virtue of his reading, a fascist, liar or ‘Islamophobe”? The words are there for any fool to read but the protestors demonstrate by their actions that they have no interest in the truth just as they have no interest in free speech. And THAT blind, vicious, mob mentality is the value of a college education in today’s America. Congratulations mom and pop, this is what you sent your kid to college to learn.
gravenimage says
I doubt many of there Leftist dhimmis have actually read the Qur’an. They just take it on “faith” that if you have a problem with it you must be a greasy “Islamophobe”.
George says
When Muslims in many countries repeat the threat of killing infidels by hacking off their heads, and threatening to take over the world by making all nations Islamic, when are we supposed to respond? We are not to offend Muslims by discussing their killings and murder? Islam is not a religion, nor is it a religion of peace. It is a culture of war against the world, and they are successfully carrying out this war. Look at the countries in Europe. Look at the record of terrorist activities, often mascaraded as workplace incidents. No Muslim should be allowed inside the United States because they cannot and will not abide by our Constitution. Therefore their intent is criminal. What have Muslims done FOR our world? They have built mosques where jihad is taught and encouraged.
Bill Shackelford says
Islam – A form of TYRANY dating to the seventh century. It is not, and never has been compatible with reason, rational thinking, science, freedom, or the American Constitution.
Guest says
The long to and fro between Abdallah and others is just one of his attempts to pull readers into a maze.
All that matters is this:
Islamic countries commit sharia atrocities. They clearly ‘interpret’ the koran that way.