Bush and Obama called for Muslim leaders to promote a peaceful vision of Islam. They also claimed that the jihadis’ version of Islam “uses a perverted interpretation of religion.” Where did it get them? The same place comforting falsehoods always take you: into a maze of blind alleys and failed policies based on incorrect analysis. Trump when campaigning seemed to be saying he would change all this. But McMaster is offering up just more of the same Bush/Obama fantasy-based policymaking.
And “self-determination for the “Palestinians”? Isn’t there anyone around Trump who can explain to him that a Palestinian state would simply become a new base for new and more virulent jihad attacks against a weakened Israel?
“Here are TWO disturbing things McMaster said about Trump’s first trip to the Middle East – [VIDEO],” The Right Scoop, May 12, 2017:
General McMaster discussed Trump’s trip to the Middle East a few minutes ago and said a couple of disturbing things about the trip that you’re going to want to know about….
Here’s the first quote:
“And he will develop a strong, respectful message that the United States and the entire civilized world expects our Muslim allies to take a strong stance against radical Islamist ideology…”
So far so good…
“…an ideology that uses a perverted interpretation of religion to justify crimes against all humanity. He will call for Muslim leaders to promote a peaceful vision of Islam.”
And there’s the problem.
Trump has apparently bought into the same nonsense that Bush and Obama pushed, that radical Islam is an evil perversion of a peaceful Islam. Ugh. He doesn’t recognize that Islam itself is the problem and that peaceful Muslims are, generally speaking, either Muslims who don’t strictly adhere to their faith or are Muslims who are waiting for the Mahdi to return and command them to do radical things.
Look, I didn’t like it when Obama promoted this and I don’t like it when Trump does the same.
Secondly, McMaster said this which I also find disturbing:
“With President Abbas, Trump will express his desire for dignity and self-determination for the Palestinians.”
So basically he’s saying Trump supports a Palestinian State and will express that to Abbas when he visits Israel. I know I say “ugh” a lot, but seriously, UGH!
I wish we had a leader who would be man enough to point out that the Palestinian ambition for a Palestinian state is mutually exclusive with the right of Jews to exist in Israel….
Nora Marginean says
Not going to happen , but if it does it will only be a blood bath as soon as we feel complacent ! Can a lepord change his spots ?
bob says
This Mc Master is clueless how the f— did he get this job , the so called muslim imams have had all their life to preach a sane version of the Koran they won t and they can ‘t because that would be blaspheme. Remember that means ( if case you have been living in a hollow log up in Canada some where ) that you will be murder by a nut head islamist
WAKE UP !
Debi Brand says
“This Mc Master … how the f— did he get this job?”
‘ fixing to state the obvious: His boss, DJ Trump interviewed him, liked him, valued his advice and positions, thus hired him.
Tonny says
Yes it is the new religion wil be a peace full version. This version wil be promoted as Islam. Lying to the kuffar is okay. The Moske will show this version as the New. Behind the Curtin they will used the old version. The left will love it and the politician will used it. It will be very very difficult to fight whats going on. If you are implying thats whats going on you a racist what ever they can find of word’s. Very very dangerous idea. NWO will love it and used it.
Debi Brand says
“Lying to the kuffar is okay.,” as in, for the sake of honoring Islam, lying to the American people is okay.
J_not_a says
Lying by muzlums to the dirty kufr is okay? Heck, not just okay, but encouraged and celebrated by them! They laugh at our collective gullibility! With clueless twits like this McMaster, who in his position, should know better, it would be well-deserved. And the one who put him there should know better too.
Why does the “palestinian” issue seem to reduce western politicians and leaders to blithering, appeasing, weak-kneed fools?
Tonny says
They can’t go against there master. I think you know what I mean. The real problem its not Islam, wrong direction. Rothschild (Chabad Lubavitch/ Frankist) is the right one. Google: Chabad Lubavitch+Jared Kushner
gravenimage says
Why is Tonny–whom I have never seen post here before–ranting about the Jews?
His pretending that Jews are a threat and that the Muslims raping and murdering us are not is just sickening.
Debi Brand says
“….McMaster,…. the one who put him there should know better too.”
For damn sure.
Don Foss says
It means ignoring about 24 of the 114 suras. These are commands of their god himself. Good luck with that, Mr. President.
Debi Brand says
It means ignoring and disregarding the teaching and tenets of the Qur’an.
The whole of it.
Given, that book commands obedience to “Allah and His Messenger.”
That messenger commanded, “Follow me.”
Don Foss says
Most of the “revelations” to Muhammad were during the first 13 years of his prophethood in Mecca when he never had more than a few dozen followers and he was weak and powerless. These are the nicer parts of the Qur’an – no compulsion in religion, killing one person is like killing all humanity, etc, etc. How things and his fortune/power change when he establishes himself in Medina and the last 8 years of his prophethood (those 24 suras), including the most important, 2:106, which tell Muslims that any thing revealed to him before the Hijrah which contradicts anything coming after the Hijrah is canceled out by the later verse.
Having spent years in the ME I honestly believe most Muslims are sane and ignore those 24 suras for the most part, yet they know their more serious and dedicated “brothers” do not ignore them….and what can they say? These are Allah’s words. In the strictest sense they cannot fault or blame their brothers; they are being complete Muslims. Better Muslims than the others who are ignoring the last 8 years of Muhammad’s life. We do not have to wonder why these “moderate” Muslims are not protesting terror and ISIS and Boko Haram and Al Queda and Al Shabaab and the rest. There is a reason they are so quiet about
Debi Brand says
“….any thing revealed to him before the Hijrah which contradicts anything coming after the Hijrah is canceled out by the later verse.”
Indeed. In brief.
“These are Allah’s words. In the strictest sense they cannot fault or blame their brothers; they are being complete Muslims. Better Muslims than the others who are ignoring the last 8 years of Muhammad’s life. We do not have to wonder why these “moderate” Muslims are not protesting terror and ISIS and Boko Haram and Al Queda and Al Shabaab and the rest. There is a reason they are so quiet about”
Again, Indeed. And well stated, my Friend.
Ballantine1979 says
Don Foss said
“Most of the “revelations” to Muhammad were during the first 13 years of his prophethood in Mecca when he never had more than a few dozen followers and he was weak and powerless. These are the nicer parts of the Qur’an – no compulsion in religion, killing one person is like killing all humanity, etc, etc ”
Actually the “no compulsion in religion” verse and the “killing one person is like killing all humanity” verse are not really peaceful at all, but as many have shown including Robert Spencer the context of both of those verses shows that the peaceful surface actually contains intolerance and justification for jihad. So Quran 5:32 says that although it’s a bad thing to kill one person, it adds that it’s okay to kill a person for two reasons: “…for killing a person or for creating disorder in the land”. So any person or people who are “creating disorder in the land” can and should be killed, according to this “peaceful” verse. We know from abundant sources in Islam that their definition of “disorder in the land” includes simply not being Muslim (unless the non-Muslim is under “dhimma protection”).
And generally speaking, we know that according to Islam (for example see Ibn Kathir’s exegesis of these verses) any society that isn’t following Islam is “creating disorder in the land” and is therefore automatically in a state of war against Islam (“dar al harb”) and so Muslims have to “defend” themselves against this state of war.
Then we have the next verse, 5:33, which basically reinforces the same idea:
“The punishment of those who wage war against God and His Apostle, and strive with might and main for mischief through the land is that they will be killed…”
So much for this “peaceful” verse of the Koran…
Don Foss says
Ballentine, I would never mean to imply that at one point Muhammad had a caring and peaceful soul. I don’t believe he ever did. But these pre-hijrah period revelations are the verses and quotes we will always hear from the Left and Muslim talking heads on CNN and the likes constantly – not to mention middle and high school history text books throughout Europe and North America – as breakfast food for the ignorant as their proof that Islam actually is a religion of peace.
carol says
Maybe Trump realizes you can’t just start an all-out battle with oil-rich, hate-filled, fanatics? You have to pick your battles wisely. I detected a new note that had been added “…an ideology that uses a perverted interpretation of RELIGION to justify crimes against all humanity.”
McMaster did not say “a perverted interpretation of ISLAM” – and Bush, Clinton, and Obuma would have insisted on that misleading wording.
Kiel says
It’s not going to happen–Hamas and PA in unison digesting the Jewish State of Israel. It’s a pipe dream of the pallies and a delusional dream by all others. – Instead of appeasing the Arabs by constantly keep the hope of overthrowing Israel the Western world leaders should close that hope immediately.
JOHNNIEMAC says
If all our values are repulsive to Islamists they really should avoid coming here (Canada), or the US, Austrailia. Britain. France and more.
Jeanette says
They infest non-Muslim countries to force the people there under the heel of Islam. It is exactly the same pattern Muslims have used for 1,400 years.
They aren’t going to stay out of western countries when the whole idea is to infiltrate them and terrorize the people into pandering to the Muslims, eventually forcing them to convert, or killing them.
J_not_a says
“A peaceful” version of islam – you mean like a peaceful version of nazism, or cannibalistic voodooism.
somehistory says
If saying *UGH* would do the trick, we could all shout it out, loud and strong and print it in the largest font.
The wild beast has a set time. Then it will be destroyed. Until that time, it will have humans continuing to promote an image of it that soothes people before forcing the bowing and subsequent slaughter for which islam is known.
(Revelation 13)
gravenimage says
Your idea that bravely pointing out evil is immaterial is quite mistaken.
somehistory says
Your idea of what I was saying in what I wrote is “quite mistaken.”
You make a lot of sense sometimes, but you don’t seem to understand me or what I write the majority of the time. You are mistaken about quite a bit of it. You are mistaken once again.
You could just stick to criticizing those whom you do rightly understand as standing up for the evil that is islam and not trying to correct those who see the evil and the danger.
I know you have your fan club here, but that is not the point. You like to call what I say wrong and it’s because you just don’t understand my point of view or the way I word my pov.
somehistory says
Permit me to explain…again.
As an example, ask yourself how long has murder been a part of human actions? How much writing has been done on the topic, how many laws written against it, how much talk devoted to the subject, how many people locked away for long periods of time…life even, or put to death due to murder?
Has all of the writing and talking and making laws stopped murder? No.
But people should still talk about it, write about it, condemn it, put people away for committing it, and even put some to death for committing it.
Now, how long has islam been around? How many have spoken on the evils of islam…we could name some famous people who have spoken about its evils…Adams and Churchill, to name two. How many books, how many articles, have been written in how many languages to inform of islam’s evil and its dangers and its goals?
Have these stopped it? NO. And they won’t stop it. If they would, we could all be happily without it now based on the number of people writing about it and its evils.
What will happen is this: it has a set time…set by, and allowed to exist by, our Creator..as to how long it will last. He has told us this in the Bible and then, He will bring it to an end. Not before then will it be completely destroyed.
We can write about it in the hopes that fewer people will come to defend it, that fewer people will become its victims, and fewer people will join the evil beast in its goal of conquest.
We should write about it. We should talk about it. But this writing and talking won’t end it.
Ascender says
You write well and are knowledge about Islam, have you written to the president himself about this? Who knows whether he would ever see it but it’s worth a try.
gravenimage says
Hi, Somehistory. You wrote:
Your idea of what I was saying in what I wrote is “quite mistaken.”
You make a lot of sense sometimes, but you don’t seem to understand me or what I write the majority of the time. You are mistaken about quite a bit of it. You are mistaken once again.
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OK–you could say in what way I am mistaken, but of course you don’t have to.
More:
You could just stick to criticizing those whom you do rightly understand as standing up for the evil that is islam and not trying to correct those who see the evil and the danger.
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I was not criticizing you, Somehistory. In fact, I greatly respect your contributions here, as I often note. But I *do* believe that our actions can have a great impact. That was my point.
More:
I know you have your fan club here, but that is not the point. You like to call what I say wrong and it’s because you just don’t understand my point of view or the way I word my pov.
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I assure you I don’t comment here because of any “fan club”. If others find my comments useful at times, I am glad–but I don’t comment on that basis at all, nor do I expect you or anyone else to agree with me on all matters.
I just think our actions genuinely are important. I think that Robert Spencer feels the same way, or he would not do the work that he does, nor would he urge others to act.
More:
Permit me to explain…again.
As an example, ask yourself how long has murder been a part of human actions? How much writing has been done on the topic, how many laws written against it, how much talk devoted to the subject, how many people locked away for long periods of time…life even, or put to death due to murder?
Has all of the writing and talking and making laws stopped murder? No. But people should still talk about it, write about it, condemn it, put people away for committing it, and even put some to death for committing it.
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Somehistory, I know you know a great deal about history. Since you do, you must know that there have been times and places where murder was far more rife than it is now in the West.
In the Middle Ages, murder was so common in the towns that few people ventured out after dark, and dead bodies would wash up from the rivers of even medium-sized towns on a daily basis.
Does murder still exist? Of course it does–but it is no where near as common as it once was in Europe and the rest of the West.
And this is not just a matter of time, but of place. The Muslim world is violent on a scale utterly unimaginable for most Westerners.
Culture, faith, and philosophy are deeply important–the culture of the West is Judeo-Christian and heavily influenced by the Enlightenment–this makes for, overall, far more civilized societies than those, say, under the horrors of Islam.
More:
Now, how long has islam been around? How many have spoken on the evils of islam…we could name some famous people who have spoken about its evils…Adams and Churchill, to name two. How many books, how many articles, have been written in how many languages to inform of islam’s evil and its dangers and its goals?
Have these stopped it? NO. And they won’t stop it. If they would, we could all be happily without it now based on the number of people writing about it and its evils.
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Actually, Somehistory–and I know with your knowledge of history that you know this–Islam, while it has not been destroyed, *has* been beaten back many times.
If our brave ancestors had not fought back against Islam at Poitiers, and at Lepanto, at the Gates of Vienna, and many other places, then we would not even be free, most likely, to have this conversation.
More:
What will happen is this: it has a set time…set by, and allowed to exist by, our Creator..as to how long it will last. He has told us this in the Bible and then, He will bring it to an end. Not before then will it be completely destroyed.
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I do believe we have free will, and that our actions *do* have influence in the world for good or ill.
More:
We can write about it in the hopes that fewer people will come to defend it, that fewer people will become its victims, and fewer people will join the evil beast in its goal of conquest.
We should write about it. We should talk about it. But this writing and talking won’t end it.
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Somehistory, if you thought our actions here–and elsewhere in the world–were utterly futile, I doubt you would bother to contribute here at all.
I’m glad you do, And I think we have more agency than you might believe. We were able to defeat Fascism seventy years ago, and I believe we can save the West from Islam now.
Jaladhi says
Good luck promoting a “peaceful” version of Islam. What a fantasy of the Western useful idiots!! How can they find a peaceful Islam when it doesn’t exist and have never existed. Why can’t these morons learn anything from the Islamic history of last 1400 years and the behavior of Muslim in the present time. There is no cure for the utter stupidity of the West now – I must say the Christians of the earlier times had more sense when they were not suffering from the disease of political correctness and narcissism.
RickMT says
WH Comments were made while the whole staff was peeing into the wind.
Debi Brand says
Indeed, thus the parade of “Western useful idiots” for Islam makes for Mecca.
Fools.
Wellington says
“….an ideology that uses a perverted interpretation of religion to justify crimes against all humanity.”
Islam, all of it, ALL OF IT damn it, IS a crime against all humanity. Proceed from this highly verifiable premise. Not doing so will only lead to more errors, many lethal.
Bank on it. A sure bet if ever there were one.
J_not_a says
Yeah, I don’t know how it’s possible to misinterpret “kill the infidel wherever you find them until all religion in the world is for allah alone” repeated well over a hundred times in the “holey cowran” Seems pretty clear to me and the rest of us here anyway.
livingengine says
get rid of him.
silvergreycat says
General McMaster needs to folllow Dr. Warner’s advice…*To Know Islam, Know Mohammed*… https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PXpX2OJhS2w
gravenimage says
McMaster: Trump will “call for Muslim leaders to promote a peaceful vision of Islam”
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Yeah…good luck with that…
Stan Lee says
He was a heralded Army General, therefore chosen for the President’s Cabinet. I fear that President Trump drew a lemon with this officer. He is so “politically correct” that he probably wouldn’t dare to use the term “Muslim terrorist.” He has also disagreed with the President on a few occasions thus far. Frankly, I hope he doesn’t last the way he’s conducting himself. He would substitute the title “Muslim terrorist” with a title barely recognizable (but a PC term) for the occasion, certainly it would be “soft and nice” Yet, Generals Mattis and Kelly are honest and fair, but also speak in terms of reality as soldiers.
jewdog says
Al Sisi recently challenged the ulema at Al Azhar to come up with a peaceful version of Islam, but so far they have only reiterated the same old version. I somehow doubt that Trump will fare much better.
Watching all of these hopeful requests die on the vine, I’m reminded of the play “Waiting For Godot” by Samuel Beckett. Godot never arrives, just like all of these wonderful outcomes for peace, love and Islam.
Isn’t it time we based our policy on the present realities instead of vain expectations, or is that too downbeat for the political class?
mgoldberg says
“…an ideology that uses a perverted interpretation of religion to justify crimes against all humanity. He will call for Muslim leaders to promote a peaceful vision of Islam.”
And there lies the rub. The ‘peaceful vision of Islam’, contains the exact same theological imperative- submission, and the call to eliminate those who don’t submit. Now. When the Saudi’s were weak, with anything but the world’s largest money producing supply of oil, they did what?
They built mosques all over the world. In 1989 they called for the building of a huge mosque in Rome, and the reportage out of Mecca was that the christians knew who were the best of religions or something to that effect. Now, the work of theirs around the world is to seed Islam, and to build mosques and bankroll them. Think of all the centers for ‘interfaith learning’ such as the one where Phyllis Chessler was disinvited because she was not merely an expert on honor killing who would ’embarrass’ muslim culture and religon but who was as are all speakers who provide any insight into the
supremacist culture of Islam but the worlwide movement to establish ‘Islamophobia’ as the result of all biased thinking against Islam.
Now, the palestinians have no such idea of two states living side by side in peace. There IS not evidence of that, despite the lies to that effect. And the teaching of idolizing homicidal serial murderers
to all the young, and lying to all, and the latest, lying to Pres. Trump, bodes simply no change whatsoever, as McMaster will soon help deliver with his own recommendations in the fake ‘peace talks’.
The Saudi’s are moderate, compared to issis, compared to Iran. But it’s all relative. They are willing to submit us by our own hands, using our own ideals of tolerance.
Now, if that is merely hyperventilating about their ‘goal’s and history, then why do they support such complete denial of the dangers of Jihad, and it’s existence as the most important tenet of Mohammed and Islam, along with the denial of the history of Jihad. There is little ‘moderate’ in this, but there is much of the tyranny of Islam, and it’s worldwide caliphate beliefs. Which is classical Islam, moderate Islam.
maghan says
How are the Saudis moderate compared to ISIS? They chop heads at will–all in public. They also lash and stone at will too. And females are stashed away like docile cows under their wrappings–and like slaves–are kept under strict control by their owners.
Debi Brand says
Yes, magan, but at least they claim us as allies, thus, that there, therefore, garners them the right to be called and classified as “Moderate Muslims.”
gravenimage says
Debi, the Saudis were largely behind 9/11:
“Confirmed: Top Saudi Officials Aided the 9/11 Jihad Plot”
https://www.jihadwatch.org/2016/07/confirmed-top-saudi-officials-aided-the-911-jihad-plot
This hideous Shari’ah state is *not* our ally.
rubiconcrest says
What does ‘ promote a peaceful vision of Islam’ mean? If it means ending death for apostasy and blasphemy and ending the world wide push for sharia then I am all for it. Anything less than that is wishful thinking.
Keys says
What does ‘ promote a peaceful vision of Islam’ mean?
It means the annihilation of Islam for good, literally.
Peaceful Islam is an impossibility. The vision of such is a delusion; a lie like Islam itself.
Debi Brand says
Indeed, Keys.
Well stated.
Debi Brand says
“What does ‘ promote a peaceful vision of Islam’ mean? ”
As I spoke to and posted below, it means if not rewriting a new “religion”and calling it Islam, tossing to the wind the established orthodox works now known to it; then it means propagating– to the willingly gullible concerning Islam–abject lies.
Debi Brand says
ibrahim itace muhammed says
Mr Spencer,i told that your mission of hatred against islam is failing in the west.you had high expectation that donald trump will endorse your obnoxious view that islam is inherently terrorist religion.you are now being disappointed.trump has now started realising that terrorism is the function of perverted interpretation of islam as mr obama and other western leaders hold.mr spencer,what next will be your promotion strategy to sell your lies ?
gravenimage says
ibrahim itace muhammed wrote:
Mr Spencer,i (sic) told that your mission of hatred against islam (sic) is failing in the west.you (sic) had high expectation that donald (sic) trump (sic) will endorse your obnoxious view that islam (sic) is inherently terrorist religion.you (sic) are now being disappointed.trump (sic) has now started realising that terrorism is the function of perverted interpretation of islam (sic) as mr (sic) obama (sic) and other western leaders hold.mr (sic) spencer,what (sic) next will be your promotion strategy to sell your lies ?
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Well, this is just ludicrous. ibrahim itace muhammed has, on many occasions, affirmed how barbaric his vicious creed is. Pretending that Jihad terrorism is not Islamic is ridiculous.
Here he is, from just a few hours ago, affirming that it is Islam to murder anyone who dares say anything critical about Islam:
https://www.jihadwatch.org/2017/05/muslim-spokesman-blames-christianity-for-islamic-blasphemy-laws/comment-page-1#comment-1667935
Santa Voorhees says
Why would Mr. Spencer speak against Islam? Pure Islamophobia? And then what is the reason behind that, if muslims are supposed to be peaceful?
Simple answer, if muslims were peaceful people then Robert, as everyone here, wouldn’t speak against Islam in the first place. We wouldn’t have any reason to do so.
But since the Quran has many verses that call for violence against unbelievers, and many muslims follow them literally…. well I think you got the idea.
Can you understand now why we hate Islam? Yeah, because it wants to kill everyone else.
Robert is simply pointing out how muslims use the violent verses in the Quran to justify their actions against unbelievers.
gravenimage says
As ibrahim itace muhammed sees it, it is “obnoxious” for us not to be raped and murdered by pious Muslims.
David, Thailand says
Is this a joke, fake news, CNN on steroids…has Trump finally lost it? Will he seriously ask Muslim leaders to blaspheme against Sharia (for which the penalty is death) because that would make him, a non-Muslim, feel better about Jihad?
We live in a mad world going proudly madder.
gravenimage says
Even though his instincts on violent Jihad are good, I always feared that Trump’s basic ignorance about Islam would be a serious issue–and so it is here.
Debi Brand says
g.i.
As I have stated before oftentimes, at this stage of “the game,” “basic ignorance about Islam,” is if not categorically feigned ignorance of such, then at best, it is categorically ignorance by choice.
And for any would-be non-Muslim leader, it is inexcusable “ignorance.”
Trump, early on in his campaign, insinuated, he was willing to regard the doctrines of Islam for how they read on the pages of it. Thus, how they are lived out in the lives of the “believers.”
For that reason, when he took such a stand, I stood with him.
However, when he began to scoot then backflip away from that position, first noted, in his “only a suggestion” adjustment, at that point, we tossed our Trump yard signs–at that stage, the only ones seen anywhere within miles–in the garbage.
One still hoped, perhaps, he would be true to the stand he first took with respect to Islam and the adherents to it.
But all too often, steadily, he has shown growing distance between his willingness to regard Islam for what its orthodox works show it to be. All the while, closing the span between himself and exercised alacrity to pretend Islam is what fools concerning it and liars on behalf of it state it is.
Therefore, at this point, he is, pretty much, concerning Islam, in lock-step with his predecessors. What’s more, shortly, he may well likely out run them, with his push to put Islam on the same level as Judaism and Christianity.
gravenimage says
This ignorance *is* inexcusable–but it is also the norm among most Western leaders.
I just hoped Trump would be better than Hillary
Richard Paulsen says
I am convinced lots of non Muslims wouldn´t mind watching stoning if it was allowed according to the law.
gravenimage says
*Really*? In that case, why don’t we have stoning in the West, if Infidels are so supposedly keen on stoning women to death?
Joeyn says
Asking these Islamists to promote a peaceful vision is actually to ask them to practise Taqiyya and fool the world with more of their hogwash so that the World can continue to be complacent about the actual motives of Islam which is to destroy Western civilization. This they have already been doing and they are experts at it. Encouraging them to do it is to dig our own grave. Appeasing these Palestinian will only create more trouble since all they care about is to deceive the world and further their own evil agenda.
Relic says
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t2ojmr1gDrY
traci94 says
This really isn’t rocket science, folks. Let’s look at Saudi Arabia; does THAT country pervert the Islamic faith? No, that’s the birthplace of Islam. It’s barely any different than the Islamic State. It is violent, backward and has archaic, oppressive, human rights violating laws. But, somehow our stupid leaders keep thinking that Islam is a peaceful religion. Do they seriously believe this? Are they seriously that naïve and downright stupid? Even as a child, walking by the nightly news, I knew that Islam is a violent religion. I want these people to tell us HOW “radical Islam” is a perversion. Tell us how Saudi Arabia is a perversion, and Iran and Afghanistan and so on. Somehow EVERYONE of these places just misunderstands this religion; it’s just the most misunderstood freaking religion on the planet. Only our brilliant leaders understand this religion. Wow! If my religion was that hard to understand, I think I would jettison the whole thing.
maghan says
Just a game these pathetic leaders are playing–just to keep the oil flowing and having those stupid Arabs buy their arms.
Mike says
Palestinian self-determination really doesn’t sound that different from the status quo, i.e., the PA in the West Bank and Hamas in Gaza. That might actually be what Trump means: “autonomy on steroids”, Naftali Bennett -style.
gravenimage says
It would be different. Israel would be unable to patrol in a “West Bank” that was considered a separate country. The Jihad against Israel would become much worse.
Rob says
I’m sure it will have the same effect as did Obama’s speech at Al Azhar University in Cairo.
Not long after the speech, the university leader made it clear that ISIS was making no doctrinal error in its interpretation of Islamic doctrine.
For good measure a senior Al Azhar academic stated at the same time, that ‘rape of Infidel women’ was appropriate, as it is the ‘best way of humiliating them’.
They laughed at Bush and Obama, so why is Trump allowing his minions to put him in the dhimmi frame?
Oh yes. President Al Sisi has also called on Muslims to do something about their universally feared religion.
Catherine says
I have always heard Radical Islamist ideology described as “a perverted interpretation of Islam”, which is, of course, wrong, and which enfuriates me. On the other hand, describing it as a “perverted interpretation of religion” is right! Islam, radical or otherwise, definitely is a perverted interpretation of religion! In fact, it is the antithesis of a real religion. I would prefer to think, therefore, that this is Trump’s charm offensive. He has told them what he expects of them, if they want to be friends with the U.S. No matter if it’s an unrealistic interpretation – if they don’t live up to it, at some point, he’ll drop them as fast as he did Comey. But they will be the ones in the wrong. Kim Jong Un had better watch his back, too – because when Trump decides to make his move, Kim won’t see it coming!
gravenimage says
I’m afraid McMaster really is terribly ignorant when it comes to Islam. This is not a ruse.
Fred H says
Good luck with that.
Pal says
In order for Muslim leaders to PROMOTE a peaceful vision of Islam – they FIRST MUST PREPARE A P E A C E F U L VERSION OF QURAN.
But – WILL THEY?
COULD THEY?
ibrahim itace muhammed says
pal,you must be a madman possessed by the satan appearing like a dove you call holy spirit.you mean we should alter the original version of the Quran as you christians did importing Roman paganism of mithraism into christianity as stated in John about 325 years after the departure of jesus from this earth.In Islam it is the interpretations that change to suit changing circumstance,not the sources that have to be preserved
TJ says
He is not at all possessed by an evil spirit. You are just an exaggerator born out of the many exaggerations in the quran. The quran has no chance of ever playing a role in achieving legitimate world domination. Why? Because it is obviously corrupt on its face. Pay closer attention to the activity in the quran. It doesn’t do anything but use various entities and exaggerate against them. These series of perverse exaggerations that are in the quran and elsewhere in the hadith are and always will be phony actions against others that show islam does not have any legitimate authority to exist. This phony action shows islam is destined to go into the abyss. I will list a few of these phony actions in the islamic entity:
1) exaggerations against Jews by saying most Jews are treacherous
2) exultation over a murdered indian baby… this perverse activity was done after the bible depicted God as giving people over to war, famine, disease, and deaths by animals for walking on by when babies are killed…this righteous judgment by God glorifies that murdered indian baby over you in the quran and everyone else who exults over them. Praise be to God for doing this!!!!!!!
3) use of a fable as a piece of evidence to kill your own children
4) replacing all of the quotes of Jesus with a fable about Him speaking in the cradle, and systematically persecuting people who want more information about Him than what is given in the quran
5) falsely glorifying vague testimony over the death of Jesus over the detailed accounts of the event in the new testament…this vague testimony says it just appeared He died on the cross…there is no effort to show how this deception took place…did they call the wrong guy? did the Romans leave him for dead and He was revived? vague testimony such as this deserves no respect over the definitive accounts of the bible
6) decrees against the bodies of women which are an attack against what God made
In Isaiah 52 he says Jesus has a forerunner who says to Zion your God reigns. Here, the terms of the return of Jesus is a termination of the attempt to link Jesus with the phony antics in islam. This action I listed above is the grounds for the divorce that is taking place in Isaiah 52. Some of the leaders of the western world may not know reality, but Isaiah, who is at the heart of Christianity, obviously knows how to get the best of you there. With Isaiah, all of your fabrication in the quran and elsewhere against others achieved nothing but making his great words against you come true. Out of the eater comes something sweet!
gravenimage says
Appalling apologist for savagery brahim itace muhammed wrote:
pal,you (sic) must be a madman possessed by the satan appearing like a dove you call holy spirit.you (sic) mean we should alter the original version of the Quran (sic) as you christians (sic) did importing Roman paganism of mithraism (sic) into christianity (sic) as stated in John about 325 years after the departure of jesus (sic) from this earth.
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Of course, this is utter rot about Christianity, but leave that aside.
What muhammed means is that peace is utterly un-Islamic–Islam is the religion of blood and death, and pious Muslims like him like it that way.
More:
In Islam it is the interpretations that change to suit changing circumstance,not (sic) the sources that have to be preserved (sic)
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Of course, this is false. With the closing of the “Gates of Ijtihad”, it is not permitted to reinterpret the vilolent tenets of Islam. muhammed knows this, but hopes that we do not:
“Can Muslims Reopen the Gates of Ijtihad?”
https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/3114/muslims-ijtihad
Martin says
Ah yes, promoting the elusive peaceful Islam. Like discovering the elusive bigfoot. If I had to bet which would happen first between the two, my money would be on bigfoot
Nobody that isn’t a complete moron believes Islam is a peaceful religion. Not even left wingers. Still, our leaders go around insisting it is because the first rule in dealing with Muslims is: Don’t make them angry. And the quickest way to make these peace-loving people angry is to insist that their peaceful religion is not peaceful. We all know what truly radicalizes Muslims. Not the religion which shapes their worldview, of course, but rather what non-Muslims say about their religion.
Brian Thomas says
McMaster said all sorts of things about what Trump will do and say when he’s here in Israel. Unsurprisingly all the things McMaster thinks Trump will do or say in Israel are what McMaster would do or say here if he were President.
I have no reason to believe McMaster has a clue about what his boss will do or say.
Brian.
gravenimage says
Likely so.
duh swami says
Perverted version…Peaceful version…Isn’t that a form of blasphemy tor refer to Islam any other way than perfect? Just asking Muslim leaders to come up wit a peaceful version is an insult to Allah, Mohammad and the Quran..
How often do you hear Muslims talking about a perverted version of the Quran?
mortimer says
REFORMED ISLAM? Since the Koran is considered ETERNAL, PERFECT AND COMPLETE, it cannot be reformed.
The reform Islam is to declare that 1) the Koran is not eternal, but a temporary, opportunistic revelation for the time of Mohammed, 2) the Koran is Imperfect, because it claims it is perfect and comprehensible, but it is not imperfect and moreover, the Koran is extremely obscure and not even the mullahs understand it 3) the Koran left out a huge amount of detail which can only be found in discriminatory Sharia law… the mullahs know more about Islam than the ‘complete’ Koran… they fill in and fill out what ‘Allah’ left out of his supposedly ‘complete’ book.
Therefore, to reform Islam is to REFUTE the premises of Islam and say it is not divine in origin and that therefor, Islam may be abandoned as useless and harmful.
mortimer says
Either Islam is perfect, complete and eternal or it is imperfect, incomplete and a temporary ideology.
If it is the latter, then Islam is invalid in its original texts. The reform of Islam is a REFUTATION of Islam’s primary source texts which claim that the Koran is eternal, complete and perfect. If the Koran is not those three things, then it contradicts and refutes itself and Islam must be abandoned as false.
vlparker says
Democrat or Republican, it doesn’t matter. They are all clueless morons.
Craig Nelsen says
“I wish we had a leader who would be man enough to point out that the Palestinian ambition for a Palestinian state is mutually exclusive with the right of Jews to exist in Israel….”
I wish we had a leader who was American enough to stay the hell out of the Middle East, tell Israel to go f itself, shut down AIPAC, arrest George Soros, break up the Jewish monopoly on the press. and implement a permanent and complete Muslim immigration ban.
That’s what I wish.
mortimer says
Creating a weaker Israel is not an option for a more peaceful region.
It’s time to DEPROGRAM MUSLIMS RIGHT OUT OF ISLAM.
AND DAMN IT! IT’S NOT A ‘PERVERTED’ VERSION OF ISLAM!
Stop suggesting that POLITICAL ISLAM isn’t ‘real’ Islam.
51% of Islam’s source texts are political.
mortimer says
The Palestinians have self-determination in Jordan. Jordan is Palestine and Palestine is Jordan.
Frank Livingston says
The Muslim Brotherhood wrote a plan to infiltrate America and destroy us from within. Here is a quote from their plan dated May 22, 1991 and a link to it! From the Explanatory Memorandum— the Muslim Brotherhood in America in its own words:
4- Understanding the role of the Muslim Brother in North America:
The process of settlement is a “Civilization-Jihadist Process” with all the word means. The Ikhwan [Muslim Brotherhood] must understand that their work in America is a kind of grand Jihad in eliminating and destroying the Western civilization from within and “sabotaging” its miserable house by their hands and the hands of the believers so that it is eliminated and God’s religion is made victorious over all other religions. Without this level of understanding, we are not up to this challenge and have not prepared ourselves for Jihad yet. It is a Muslim’s destiny to perform Jihad and work wherever he is and wherever he lands until the final hour comes, and there is no escape from that destiny except for those who chose to slack. But, would the slackers and the Mujahedeen be equal.
http://www.centerforsecuritypolicy.org/2013/05/25/an-explanatory-memorandum-from-the-archives-of-the-muslim-brotherhood-in-america
Politicianphobia says
I bra him, The old pervert in Iran said “I spit on the soul of any man who says Ìslam is a religion of Peace`.
Lydia says
They want to ‘create’ such a version because they themselves know that it does not exist.
Contrast that with Christianity, where:
countless needy categories of people are cared for because
orphanages are built as a result (one example: George Muller in England)
orphans are cared for all over the world, the sick are ministered to by
medical teams that go all over the world and don’t charge anything,
hospitals are built, the hungry are fed through charity organizations,
the homeless are sheltered, and during the holocaust the Jews were
smuggled to safety to places like Sweden, all by Christians and much more
has been done in the name of Christ…
and even the miraculous because the sick are healed and the
dead are raised – to this day in the name of Jesus
Wherever the gospel goes, the region becomes civilized from
barbarian ways; Europe is one example of many.
Once the gospel and the God of the Bible are not honored,
the region deteriorates, as we see also in Europe today and
much of the West. A history lesson will tell the same tale from
the Middle East and so forth. Just examine the lands where
other religions dominate, such as India, Iran, Saudi Arabia,
China, etc. and look at the standard of living (not just for the
rich), the rights of the people, the labor structure, the health
of the environment, etc. and you don’t have to look far to see
examples all over the horizon of the difference.
“I am sending you to them to open their eyes, so that they may turn from darkness to light and from the power of Satan to God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins and an inheritance among those sanctified by faith in Me.’ ” Acts 26; 17-18
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Steve Klein says
Thanks for this piece!
Steve Klein says
Does anyone see a thing or two troubling about the following exchange between Chuck Todd and Sec. of State Rex Tillerson today?
SUNDAY BEST — CHUCK TODD speaks with REX TILLERSON on NBC’S “MEET THE PRESS”:
TILLERSON frames Trump’s trip abroad: TODD:
“I know there’s a big trip, President Trump’s first foreign trip to the Middle East. The president was pretty tough on all things Saudi Arabia in various interviews that I had with him during the campaign. At one point candidate Donald Trump said it’s ridiculous that the United States gives so much assistance to the Saudis, who wouldn’t be there except for us.”
“He even questioned how the Saudis treat women. How the Saudis treat gay people. Now he’s going to go there, give a speech in Riyadh. Is he going to bring these issues up? Are you going to bring these issues up? Of human rights issues with Saudi Arabia and with their, let’s shall we say, weak democratic reforms?”
TILLERSON: “Well, Chuck, this is a very important trip that the president will be embarking on later in the week. I think, as you know, he’s going to visit, on the first half of the trip, three countries. Great centers that represent important religions in the world. The Muslim faith in the kingdom of Saudi Arabia, Judaism when he visits Israel, and Christianity when he visits the pope in the Vatican. And I think the important aspect to this visit that the president is making is to bring a message of unity among all of these people of faith, among these great religions. That he strongly believes that it is the strength of the faith of people in these religions that will stand up and ultimately be victorious over these forces of terrorism.
“The terrible faces of violence that we see in ISIL, Daesh and al Qaeda and other terrorist organizations around the world. And so I think it is a very important trip on the president’s part to call upon all people of faith in these religions to stand together for peace and stand up to this face of terrorism, wherever it shows itself anywhere in the world.”
http://www.politico.com/story/2017/05/14/sunday-best-238370
Jack HOLAN says
You must commend the Muslim Brotherhood for the success they’ve achieved to this point. It must have taken them 30 years to build a base of home grown members to secure executive Civil service appointments, Professorships at leading Universities with speaking engagememts creating educational departments where there were none and despite 3 Wars against as many Muslim Nations, terrorist obscenities here and abroad; they met in secret with President Obama, achieved Favorale relationship with the Press and hoodwinked Senior Military Officers, Politician and downtown the local Educational library boards.
The first time I heard General McMasters speak after his appointment by Trump I knew this General was another Obama General and out of place with the Trump Team. Also for him to define for Muslims what Islam is or is not will get him the same distance as the others after 16 years. The Saudis know 100 % what Islam is all about since they are the leaders of the Suuni Sect of Islam and Guardians of the Kaba Mecca and Medina. I have a strong feeling McAllister knows too and has a game plan not necessarily favoring the USA. I still believe General Flynn was the right General for this Mission.
Steve Klein says
I am shocked! PM Netanyahu is actually standing up for Israel and for Jewish rights to our land or am I dreaming?
http://www.timesofisrael.com/netanyahu-assures-tillerson-moving-embassy-to-jerusalem-will-help-peace/
Mike says
McMaster doesn’t master the subject .Go do your homeworks . At least start with Islam for Dummies on internet . It is free . It is complete.
McMaster need to be fired too. He is too much near Dem’s.
Steve Klein says
‘…..Shaked’s remarks were made in light of Bennett’s demand that Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu make clear to the Trump Administration that the US embassy must be located in Jerusalem and not Tel Aviv.
“I call on the Prime Minister to make it clear that we expect the American government to move the embassy to Jerusalem and to recognize Jerusalem as the united capital of Israel,” Bennett wrote on his Twitter account Sunday.
“Moving the US embassy to the Israeli capital strengthens Israel,” Bennett continued, “and strengthens the changes for a true peace, since any agreement based on the division of Jerusalem is destined to fail.”
“Just like embassies for countries around the world are located in the American capital, Washington, they should be located in Jerusalem, our capital for some 3,000 years.”
Shaked took issue with Bennett’s remarks and tweeted in response: “I suggest that you take more secular buses and designate them to go only to Jerusalem (a disparaging allusion to the hundreds of public transportation and school buses diverted to Miron for the Lag Ba’Omer celebrations last night and today for the religious public, ed.) Blithering idiot.”
Shaked deleted his tweet shortly after posting it.
http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/229631
Aussie Infidel says
McMaster’s statement, “… to take a strong stance against radical Islamist ideology…”, should have read, “… the radical Islamic ideology written in the Quran.”
What “perverted interpretation of religion” is he talking about? Has he not read the Quran for himself? It’s not a peaceful “vision” of Islam that Muslim leaders should promote, but a peaceful “version” of Islam, by excluding all the racist, violent, hateful, misogynist and downright criminal commands in the Quran. That would reduce Islam’s holy book to about one third its size – but most likely it will never happen. It seems that Trump’s advisors are speaking the same erroneous nonsense perpetuated by his predecessors – particularly Bush and Obama.
The problem is not “some perverted vision of Islam”, BUT ISLAM ITSELF – ie the mainstream, orthodox version of Islam as written in the Quran. Trump can read it for himself at https://quran.com/9 – particularly 9:5, 9:14, 9:15, 9:29, 9:38-39, 9:73, 9:111, 9:123. It will take him about five minutes, and could be the most important five minutes he will ever spend.
No one can understand Islam unless they understand its supremacist ideology of conquest for Allah, and Trump should be well aware of this before his trip to the Middle East.
silvergreycat says
He can also read Robert’s commentary…. https://www.jihadwatch.org/quran-commentary
underbed cat says
During the Obama years I was encouraged by Comey in his breaking thru with information that Isis is in the country and dangerous, which was in my opinion,meant he understood the muslim/Islam doctrine to create a caliphate. This is accomplished by migration often stated as Trump realized mass refugee mass migration was a Trojan horse…being rolled in the country.It was a relief after the nearly subversive encouragement by Obama along with the Iranian deal, the bad fruits bloomed just as Trump was to take office. I voted for him for his remarks about the problem….I thought he knew more….but he has been under directed, organized efforts to bring disorder and resistance. It became obvious that he was attacking back instead of planning with lawyers a strategy, informing the Republicans, and getting a speech writer consultant immediately and learning the maneuvers. I know he is working hard, and hopefully all goes well.
And like some of the above comments, Trump can get Islamic experts, such as Coughlin or Spencer and could use former muslims to explain the truths of living under a legal code of sharia, along as using the information about sharia/ Islam to know the enemy by using the “words” to identify. Remove the MB organization influence.
underbed cat says
Brian I hope you are correct, that McMaster has no idea what Pres. Trump will say or do once in Saudi Arabia…a location I certainly would not send him to as the situation is very heated, along with possible North Korea and Iran collusion and Syrian war. An off-sight neutral location or video conference would be best. I think for Trump he has folded due to the very organized, directed attack from every angle by the Democrats far left media, Obama dictates to many actors to resist, agitate and disrupt to trip up Trumps development as a President. Mac Master seems stuck in viewing Isis as the enemy, only radicals, not related to sharia that never see borders or government other than land ruled by sharia. Mac Master as a General if he is not knowledgeable about the doctrine of Islam and all the MB support organizations, mosques that seed terrorism with verses and that all terrorist group there are rooted in the same direction and are fighting only for control as far as I understand. We can’t support sharia by any name…we can only support those who do not want to live under the brutality. Asking for changes to the Quran is quicksand. We need defense at home..or we will be weakened to long term subversion with a smile which they will gladly sell us in fact have almost completed.
andra says
My dear Americans, do you really believe that the US have a chance to surviive with a Donald Trump acting like that? I am afraid that you are as lost as Europe and Canada are.
Ade says
Great ! ..
but are any muslims really willing to burn their korans and turn their backs on their false prophet ?