NATO ally? NATO was and is configured to fight the last war. President Trump was right when he said that NATO was obsolete, and it is unfortunate that he retreated from those remarks. NATO is obsolete, and Turkey under Erdogan is no ally of the United States. The U.S. needs to reconfigure its global alliances, strengthening its ties with nations that are facing the same jihad threat we are, and ending sham alliances with jihad-promoting states, including but by no means limited to Turkey.
“NATO ally tests Trump: Turkey threatens to strike U.S. forces partnered with Kurds,” by Carlo Muñoz, Washington Times, May 3, 2017:
The war of words between Washington and Ankara over the U.S. military’s partnership with Kurdish paramilitaries in Syria escalated Wednesday, when a senior aide to Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan suggested American troops could be targeted alongside their Kurdish allies in the country’s ongoing air war against the militias.
Senior presidential aide Ilnur Cevik said U.S. forces who are teamed up with members of the Kurdish People’s Protection Units, or YPG, were in danger of being hit by Turkish fighters patrolling the volatile border region with Syria.
If YPG units and their American military advisers “go too far, our forces would not care if American armor is there, whether armored carriers are there,” Mr. Cevik said during an interview on Turkish radio station CRI TURK Wednesday. “All of a sudden, by accident, a few rockets can hit them,” he added, referring to partnered U.S. forces.
When asked to clarify that U.S. advisers or artillery positions would be in danger from Turkish warplanes, if they continued to support YPG operations in northern Syria, Mr. Cevik replied bluntly that they would.
Later, Mr. Cevik attempted to walk back his comments on social media, regarding U.S. forces working with Kurdish militias. “Turkey has never and will never hit its allies anywhere, and that includes the U.S. in Syria,” he said in a tweet posted shortly after Wednesday’s radio interview.
His comments come days after U.S. forces moved into the Syrian Kurdish enclave of Rojava, in a dramatic show of solidarity amid Turkish airstrikes targeting those U.S.-backed forces there. The strikes were part of an ongoing counterterrorism operation targeting members of the YPG, which Turkey has condemned as a terrorist organization.
Syrian Kurds, some of which are members of or allied with the YPG, make up half of the Syrian Democratic Forces, or SDF — the 50,000-man strong constellation of Arab and Kurdish militias backed by the U.S., who are preparing for the final, large-scale assault on Raqqa, the self-styled capital of the Islamic State terror group also known as ISIS or ISIL….
mortimer says
RACIST MUCH? The supremacist Turks (you may be surprised to learn) are among the most racist people on earth
-Tabari II:11 “Shem, the son of Noah was the father of the Arabs, the Persians, and the Greeks; Ham was the father of the Black Africans; and Japheth was the father of the Turks and of Gog and Magog who were cousins of the Turks. Noah prayed that the prophets and apostles would be descended from Shem and kings would be from Japheth. He prayed that the African’s color would change so that their descendants would be slaves to the Arabs and TURKS.”
-Ottoman Turkish intellectuals such as Ali Suavi stated in the 1860s that:
1.Turks are superior to other races in political, military and cultural aspects
2.The Turkish language surpasses the European languages in its richness and excellence
3.Turks constructed the Islamic civilization.
-The State Employee Law enacted in 1926 aimed at the Turkification of work life in Turkey. This law defined Turkishness as a necessary condition to become a state employee.
-a report by the Minority Rights Group International (MRG) done in 2015 states that the curriculum of schools continue to depict “Armenians and Greeks as the enemies of the country.”
-Nurcan Kaya, one of the authors of the report, concluded: “The entire education system is based on Turkishness. Non-Turkish groups are either not referred to or referred in a negative way.”
-Yavuz Baydar, senior columnist of the Zaman daily newspaper wrote in 2009 that racism and hate speech are on the rise in Turkey, particularly against Armenians and Jews.
-“The new generations are being taught to see Armenians not as human, but [as] an entity to be despised and destroyed, the worst enemy. And the school curriculum adds fuel to the existing fires.” – Turkish lawyer Fethiye Çetin
-Hrant Dink, the editor of the Agos weekly Armenian newspaper, was assassinated in Istanbul on January 19, 2007, by Ogün Samast. He was reportedly acting on the orders of Yasin Hayal, a militant Turkish ultra-nationalist.[58][59] For his statements on Armenian identity and the Armenian Genocide, Dink had been prosecuted three times under Article 301 of the Turkish Penal Code for “insulting Turkishness.”
-The term ‘Armenian’ is frequently used in politics to discredit political opponents
-On 5 August 2014, Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdoğan, in a televised interview on NTV news network, remarked that being Armenian is “uglier” even than being Georgian, saying “You wouldn’t believe the things they have said about me. They have said I am Georgian…they have said even uglier things – they have called me Armenian, but I am Turkish.”
-In an attempt to deny their existence, the Turkish government categorized Kurds as “Mountain Turks” until 1991
-Desmond Fernandes, a Senior Lecturer at De Montfort University, breaks the policy of the Turkish authorities into the following categories:[185]
1.Forced assimilation program, which involved, among other things, a ban of the Kurdish language, and the forced relocation of Kurds to non-Kurdish areas of Turkey.
2.The banning of any organizations opposed to category one.
3.The violent repression of any Kurdish resistance.
-Several Kurdish political parties have been shut down by the Turkish Constitutional Court under excuse of supporting the PKK
-Mehmet Yuksel, the HDP representative in the United States, told US Congress lawmakers:
“My people in Turkey are going through a full-scale assault, which could be viewed as a form of genocide. The Turkish authorities have seen the Kurdish identity as the main enemy. Fighting this enemy, they have been conducting a slow-motion genocide. In fact, when we look at the eight stages of genocide published by Genocide Watch, we see that the Turkish government is indeed committing genocide against a minority.”
-PKK Executive Committee Member Duran Kalkan said that Erdoğan’s “national mobilization” comments were very dangerous and said: “Erdoğan called for a Kurdish genocide. Everybody should take precautions. Of course the Kurds will resist this to the end. One can never be certain who will mobilize whose nation against who, and who lives and who dies as a result.”
I believe that Erdogan is planning a way to commit genocide against the Kurds and try to make it look like their fault. If NATO does not create an independent Kurdistan, there will be a genocide and a million more refugees.
PRCS says
One would think, from the phrase “Sunni, Shi’ah and Kurds”, that the Kurds aren’t Muslims.
bonnie loranger says
Watch the new movie: The Promise on the Armenian genocide
Unknown says
Exactly like their prophet and brother in faith (Arabs)… It won’t take much time until Turkey becomes Syria,
Pal says
Spots on, Mortimer!
Turks even shout at Kurds and others: “You are Armenian sperm – we will annihilate you!”.
somehistory says
With a *friend* like er dough wan, who needs any enemies? He’s working hard for his satanic reward and by cracky, he’s gonna’ get it. It just won’t be what he thinks it will.
AleX says
Err…dow…gun wil soon bite the dust and Turkey will become the new Syria. One can only hope.
Voytek Gagalka says
Turkey, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, Qatar – just to name the first four. How much it will take to grasp that Russia would be a much better ally in current circumstances than this Gang of Four?
Unknown says
Still, Russia would be a better boss to West than West being a boss to Russia, I mean, look at our situation… Since Russia is surrounded by them, I guess Russia knows how to deal better with them.
Stan Lee says
The Kurdish forces were fighting ISIS purely as a volunteer force, even before any U.S. military hardware was given to them. ISIS incurred brutal losses upon the Kurds while they were the only anti-ISIS forces that didn’t run away like the Iraqi gov’t forces did, abandoning American equipment to ISIS in the process.
The Kurds still fought well, men and women, who would rather die than run away from battling ISIS. (unlike the Shia Iraqi gov’t troops) Under the Obama regime, no military hardware reached the Kurds, the Obama regime sent whatever military equipment it offered directly to Iraqi gov’t forces, and it was questionable if the Kurds received any of it, they were fighting ISIS much of the time with weapons captured from ISIS.
Finally, a change in the U.S. presidency and leadership, and Kurdish forces started to receive U.S. military equipment, which they utilized well. Turkey’s problem with the Kurds is that they, the Kurds, are a substantial minority in Turkey, but have wanted to reestablish Kurdistan for the Kurdish nation, part of which has been in a portion of Turkey, the other part in Syria, both Turkey and Syria are ruled by despots. Clearly, the Kurds want out to establish their own state…and Erdogan (Turkey) wants to continue being the lord and master over the Kurds.
Just as Turkish A.F. planes shot down a Russian observation plane over Syria some time ago, causing Russia to warn Turkey never to do it again, and sanctioned Turkey, now Turkey is testing Trump that it may come to bombing U.S. forces who are with the Kurds and training them to effectively use U.S. military hardware given to the Kurds. Erdogan sees himself as the shaper of a Muslim Caliphate, with Turkey as its center.
If he attacks U.S. troops training the Kurds, I think the U.S. will respond in kind..Erdogan only makes a little more sense than the North Korean dictator who threatens everyone. They both hunger for power.
DVult says
If Turkey attacks American troops then there is only one sane response and that is a thorough a-kicking of Mr. Erdopig.
Alien Republican says
You won’t see dead kurdish babies hence there is little chance of Ivanka pushing her father buttons.
Allan Mandrowski says
Turkey, Saudi Arabia, Qatar, chief sponsors of world wide terror, yet they are our allies.
DFD says
Ask why.
Eric Jones says
Sadly Trump has business interest in Turkey. We will see if the national interest win out over business interest. As I have called for before. Kick Turkey out of NATO. Don’t allow Turkey in the EU. The USA should close all of its miltary and in telligence assets in Turkey and move them to Greece.
Eric
Wyatt says
The problem is not with NATO – that organization is still quite relevant for deterring neo-Soviet aggression in eastern Europe. The biggest problem is that Turkey is still in NATO.
Allan Mandrowski says
There is no neo soviet aggression. Russia responds to creeping NATO around its borders. Russia has every right to keep its borders secure and its neighboring countries at bay and US influence in these countries at a minimum.
How would you like it if Russia and China started meddling in Mexico and Canada and wanting to place missiles there?
Alien Republican says
…be prepared to hear the “Ukraine” lullaby of people ignorine the role of the EU in destabilizing it… lot of smart people here with worse russophobia than the democrats…
Veka Fitzfrancis says
NATO is going to be surprised when a suicide bomber strolls into a NATO meeting and scream ‘aloha snackbar!’
mortimer says
Turkey is an asylum of racist lunatics. Turkey needs to be reduced to a much smaller state. The Bosphorus straits are important and should not be in the hands of Turkey, but in the hands of NATO. Turkey needs to be dismantled. There should be a Kurdistan and an enlarged Armenia. Eastern Anatolia should go to Greece and Macedonia get Aegia and Bulgaria Thrace. Once reconfigured, there will be stablilty and Turkey will be a much smaller regional power cut down to size.
gravenimage says
Mortimer, I’m not sure Armenia, Greece, and Macedonia would welcome a hugely inflated Muslim population, which I’m afraid this would achieve.
Alien Republican says
How do you see that coming ? An honest question, because I can’t read anything in mortimers comment that sets a scenario for an iinflating muslim population.
gravenimage says
Alien Republican wrote:
How do you see that coming ? An honest question, because I can’t read anything in mortimers comment that sets a scenario for an iinflating muslim population.
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Mortimer wrote:
There should be a Kurdistan and an enlarged Armenia. Eastern Anatolia should go to Greece and Macedonia get Aegia and Bulgaria Thrace. Once reconfigured, there will be stablilty and Turkey will be a much smaller regional power cut down to size.
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Alien Republican, unless Muslims were ousted–which would presumably defeat the purpose of breaking up Turkey–then Armenia, Greece, Macedonia, and Bulgaria getting parts of Anatolia would also wind up with part of Turkey’s population, which is almost entirely Muslim. It might even push Macedonia over the edge to become Muslim-majority.
Never mind the logistics of Greece trying to govern eastern Turkey–just having an inflated Jihad-prone Muslim population would be bad enough.
Alien Republican says
I appreciate the answer and now see that the confusion comes from “Turkey should be reduced to a much smaller state” vs “dismantling” (altogether)..
I remember reading some years ago that Turks fear sezession by Kurds, which is nothing new but being surprised that ironically birth rate of Kurds apparently is higher than that or Turks.
Mickey Oberman says
Erdogan seems to be doing an efficient job of dismantling Turkey without any assistance.
He will soon have half the population including all intellectuals
in his prisons – or dead.
He will have Turkey in such disarray that his own supporters will be against him.
Bill W. says
If he is still alive in 15 years the country will look like North Korea.
gravenimage says
“NATO ally” Turkey threatens to strike U.S. forces partnered with Kurds
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This thug is not our ally.
Anonymous says
Dubya would have said “Bring it on”.
Andrew Apsley says
Before World War 3 really kicks off, the Western World better get its allies sorted out. Achieve energy independence in a hurry, drop every Islamic country from the list of allies (this includes so-called “democracies” which have Islam as the national religion) and accept that Russia will eventually have to be courted. Russia is primarily Christian, and certainly non-Muslim, so Islam wants it destroyed too. Last, support India in a big way against Pakistan and Bangladesh, and start using superior naval power to deport Islamists to the shores of Islamic countries. Then leave them there. It’s that simple. If the new host suffers an immune response, then the deported Islamist should have considered that before they tried to bring a religion of submission and misery to the country naive enough to offer them a second chance in life.
Ian Hoffa says
Unfortunately, Russia is 10% muslim.
Alien Republican says
And so are France, the UK, Sweden, probably Germany, Switzerland has a muslim population of around 5% – from almost zero 2 decades ago.
Bill W. says
Agree
ConcernedCareBear says
I don’t understand why the EU doesn’t just tell turkey to take a hike. Turkey needs the EU more than the EU needs it. Turkeys single largest trading partner is the EU, 44.5% of all turkeys exports are to the EU. If the EU did what Russia did, turkey would be on its knees. Where it belongs. And wouldn’t be making these empty threats.
DFD says
Ah yeah, those poor threatened Kurds. Threatened with genocide. Aren’t they the same Kurds who assisted to their ‘best’ ability with the genocide of Christians, i.e., Armenians?
And also, courageously fighting the Crusaders under one of their own generals, a guy called Saleh-Adin? Good Sunnis that they are.
Yup, I think it’s them. ‘Wonder what those good Sunnis will do to Christians once they have their position secured – of course, with the help and material of Christians or other unbelievers.
I think I know.
RationalVoice says
Yes it is obvious Turkey is well on its way to being yet another Islamic dictatorship and can no longer be regarded as a friend of the West. They were never a good ally anyway as they never really shared our values and it was right and is right to keep them out of the EU for this reason. NATO should be realigned as it has lost its way and Turkey excluded. Today NATO asked UK to send more troops to Afghanistan. The answer should be NO,NO,NO !!. That country hasn’t got the will to defeat the Taliban and no further resources or lives should be wasted there. Let them stew in their own Islamic juice !
eagle says
I believe Obama had stored some nuclear weapons 60 miles inside the Turkish boarder, suggesting the Russians are the problem. This is beginning to look like another Obama gift to Isis.On another note, thank god President Trump got wind of Obama’s people still in government. McMaster is on his way out.
Seabird says
Nato had stockpiled about 50 nukes at the Incirlic Turkish base for years, long before Obama.
It was reported that those weapons were moved to Romania when turkish mobs threatened to storm the base after the recent coup attempt in Turkey.
It is also believed that across the border about 50 miles at a Russian airbase in Armenia, there are about 50 nuclear armed cruise missles stored there in case turkey decides to invade the country like they nearly did in 1993.
The nuclear weapons stored in Turkey were never in control of the Turkish govt..