What? An imam? Impossible! How could a man who has dedicated his life to understanding Islam properly and teaching it effectively somehow misunderstand it so severely as to think its texts call for violence against Infidels? And why is it that so many Muslims misunderstand Islam in exactly the same way?
“Russian imam appeals sentence for justifying terrorism,” Rapsi, May 5, 2017 (thanks to Lookmann):
MOSCOW, May 5 (RAPSI, Yevgeniya Sokolova) – Imam Makhmud Velitov has filed an appeal against a 3-year prison sentence passed on him for justifying terrorism, his attorney Dagir Khasavov told RAPSI on Friday.
On April 28, the Moscow District Military Court convicted and sentenced Velitov.
A prosecutor earlier demanded a 3.5-year prison term for the imam.
On September 23, 2013, Velitov, being a council chair and imam of a religious organization, made a public speech justifying activity of one of Hizb ut-Tahrir al-Islami terrorist organization’s members during a prayer in a Moscow mosque, according to the Investigative Committee. This organization has been banned by Russia’s Supreme Court.
According to the forensic examination, the imam’s speech contained a set of psychological and linguistic features of justifying terrorist activities. Defense insisted that Velitov had performed a religious ritual allowed by canons of Islam regarding a deceased Muslim.
Hizb ut-Tahrir (the Party of Islamic Liberation), founded in Jerusalem in 1953, is banned in several Arab and Central Asian countries. Russia’s Supreme Court banned the group from operating on the territory of the country in 2003, describing it as a terrorist organization….
mortimer says
GREAT! Now he can recruit more jihadists among the criminal population of Russia! (sarc/off)
The Russian intelligence urgently needs to develop protocols to completely DEPROGRAM men like this RIGHT OUT OF ISLAM using advanced, professional modern deprogramming protocols combined with the latest and best university-level analysis of Islam… its lacking historicity, its amorality and its total self-referential incoherence and obscurantism. No valid future or progress can be based on obscurantism.
Islam is social program for dysfunction and failure as we observe in every Islamic country: FAILED STATES.
Dave Flang says
40,000 Converts to Islam Per Year in Federal Prisons
https://www.youtube.com/edit?o=U&video_id=KHblGP6iKXs
R. Grimes says
@Dave Flang: Islam is a religion founded by a warlord, rapist, pedophile. It is a perfect fit for many of those incarcerated. It not only gives them licence for both murder AND mayhem, but the Islamic sources actually mandate it. There should be a segregated wing for these pukes, in my view, to contain the cancer that is Islam.
Frank Anderson says
Mortimer, you continue to advocate deprogramming without offering a shred of support that deprogramming is anything more than a pipe dream. Please put up or shut up about deprogramming,. You have failed to contest my posts arguing that it doesn’t work, it’s a waste of time, money and resources, and it should expose the deprogrammers and those who certify the cure of killers to both civil suit and criminal prosecution. If you have anything to support your repeated proposal, I would like to see it. What makes deprogramming such a central issue to you?
In all the legal history of the United States child molesters, who are not taught child molesting at every religious service have never been deprogrammed. Why should Muslims who are taught murder, slavery, lying, plunder, child molesting . . . at every turn in the practice of their perfect, final, complete and unchangeable “religion”, where any reform or departure is punishable by death, actually accept and submit to deprogramming for any reason other than to obtain shorter and more comfortable sentences so they can kill again? .
The irony is that otherwise I agree generally with the remainder of your posts. I sincerely suggest that deprogramming is a false hope that seems to restrict your thinking with Viktor Frankl’s “delusion of a reprieve” (Man’s Search for Meaning). Resisting a real threat to the lives, future and freedom of Infidel society cannot be based on totally unproven pipe dreams. Please give some details that support your proposition?
gravenimage says
Agreed, Frank. I’ve asked Mortimer just the same questions.
As you note, he is a fine poster except for this ridiculous obsession with a “solution” to Islam that has never worked.
Frank Anderson says
GI, I think Mortimer and I agree on many points; As a matter of fact possibly most points that he writes about. I cannot comprehend why the delusion that people who are trained, indoctrinated and brainwashed from infancy on, as many as 5 times a day, to believe and practice a 1400 year old death cult, can be convinced to change to peaceful, tolerant and law-abiding citizens in a diverse society. It’s just not what they do, have done, and are threatened with death by their fellow believers if they ever do. To be as insightful as Mortimer is otherwise I cannot understand why he both continues to propose, but never support or discuss what deprogramming he thinks would work under these conditions. Obviously from all my posts I spend a lot of time learning and avoiding confusion. This is one time confusion may win. Best wishes always.
Aussie Infidel says
Mortimer, You have mentioned deprograming in a number of your posts. What process are you advocating? It is hard enough to change people’s minds about most mundane matters, let alone supernatural religious and political beliefs. Jihadis are the small number of psychopaths (about 1% in most communities) who wage ‘holy war’ in the name of Islam. And they have been indoctrinated with the most pernicious religious beliefs ever invented. How successful is such intervention? Who would carry it out? How long does the process take? And do we have the time to accomplish this before the demographic time bomb defeats us?
Frank Anderson says
Aussie Infidel, I have presented similar questions for nearly a week without response. I would add to your list, “Who stands responsible for certifying that de-programming has been successful?” I believe Mortimer is uninformed and inexperienced, therefore completely incapable of supporting a proposition that he keeps parroting. This is the kind of mindless and delusional collaborators in charge all over Europe, Canada and sad to say Australia.
I predict you and I have seen and/or read 1984, where the main character is tortured until he answers the question, “How much is 2 plus 2?” with the desired answer, “Whatever you want it to be!” The whole idea of de-programming an individual is as totally lacking credibility as reforming all of Islam. And Mortimer fails to respond when challenged.
Jeanette says
And, the West has already been seriously financially damaged by the banking crimes and by having to pay the costs of hosting Muslims in western countries.
We don’t have endless money to keep tens or hundreds of thousands in “deprogramming” programs for years, with hosts of physicians, nurses, and other staff keeping the “deprogramming” institutions running.
I also have never gotten a response from Mortimer on any of several previous comments similar to this comment on the subject of deprogramming Muslims. I’ve never seen him answer similar comments of several other people, either.
One has to wonder if this is a diversion, even though Mortimer does not appear to be pro-Islam in any way other than wanting to give them an easy out rather than dealing with them harshly.
Frank Anderson says
Jeanette, it looks to me like Mortimer makes his posts and then does not check the “notify me of follow-up comments by email” box. He “hits and runs” because he has no support for a completely false and delusional proposition that “science” can deprogram monsters who follow 1400 years of teaching and practice, that is reinforced under threat of death every contact an individual has (up to 5 times a day!).
Such a display of lacking anything but a spineless accommodation to people who have been taught to lie leaves me wondering at any motive or reason for continuing the “hit and run” campaign to promote de-programming. Mortimer’s silence to me is an admission that he has no support for a proposal that makes no sense.
Dave Flang says
All Muslims must follow the Quran and therefore ALL Muslims are potential terrorists.
Safety & Security Guidelines for Lone Wolf Mujahideen
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NvK4etLa6cY
Paul N Silas says
not sure what happened to my last post?
This guy looks like a real fun guy. When he gets out, I plan to invite him over for a few beers and a smoked pork sandwich. (sarcasm)
marina says
Only 3 years !
Nigel GFF says
…”According to the forensic examination, the imam’s speech contained a set of psychological and linguistic features of justifying terrorist activities. Defense insisted that Velitov had performed a religious ritual allowed by canons of Islam regarding a deceased Muslim.”…
Golly gosh. How many other texts would benefit (us all) from a similar ‘forensic examination’? The second sentence is most revealing, namely, “performed a religious ritual allowed by canons of Islam”. A candid, refreshing admission of idealogical imperative.
Nigel GFF says
Oh, ‘ideological’.
eagle nest says
The truth about the Muslim body is censored in the news media as to not offend the Muslims in this country. The truth about the Muslims is shameful and embarrassing to the American people so the censorship has to continue. The Muslim theocracy is not compatible with the American core beliefs and the U.S. Constitution, the Muslim body should do the honorable thing and find another country to practice their theocracy. The 1400 year religious vendetta needs to end or leave America. The Muslims want to impose Sharia Law and fundamentally change America by changing the people to majority Muslim through the guise of religious freedom. A clever assault and test on the U.S. Constitution.Are we ready for Sharia Law?
Nan says
No its already been outlawed in US! Thank God they can’t use it in court for an argument either!
Terry says
Will Schmuck Schumer; Elizabeth Warren & Maxine Waters now complain that this is Donald Trump’s fault?
Incidentally, today, Pres. Trump’s nominee to be army secretary withdrew. THERE WAS OPPOSITION FORM LIBERTURDS; MC CAIN AND “CIVIL RIGHTS GROUPS” BECAUSE HE CALLED FOR SCHOOLS
TO STOP INDOCTRINATING STUDENTS IN ISLAM.
(of course, this was on MSM website-so it could be wrong)
stan lee says
Bank on it! Leftists are a completely other breed which sees anti-U.S. government and anti-Constitution types as “their” kind of Americans. If none ever become actual saboteurs or terrorists, they enable those who will demonstrate against American life by destroying or plotting destruction of American lives and properties.
They can even believe that their leftism is just a harmless intellectual practice, but Leninism and Nazism started the same way. The day will have to come when the leftist snakes in the grass must be dealt with in the manner that Russia knows is necessary. Chas Schumer, Elizabeth Warren, and Maxine Waters, only three of the many closet Leninists, have been allowed latitude here to broadcast their disregard for the rights granted them via the U.S. Constitution. There is sufficient history of the damage their ideologies have done to the U.S.A. The time must come when their lies and distortions will lead to the complete demise of their political subterfuge. They are loyal to Communism, which here today wears a
milder title of Socialism.
Terry says
Stan,
What I find most “interesting” about the despicables like Hillary Clinton, Bernie Sanders, Elizabeth Warren & maxine Waters– while they rail AGAINST THE 1% ( which, by IRS RECORDS) PAY MORE IN INCOME TAXES ( WSJ BEST OF THE WEB. AUG 1, 2017) THAN THE LOWER 90%, IS:
THEY ARE ALL QUITE WEALTHY AND LIVE IN A STYLE MOST PEOPLE COULD ONLY DREAM ABOUT. SANDERS, is probably in the top 1/2 of 1% of people in Vermont ( and owns 3 or 4 houses); Waters, Clinton & Warren ALL live in homes worth well over $1 million. two notes about Waters:
her district is the poorest or one of the poorest in Cal. and two- she does NOT LIVE IN THE DISTRICT.
tYPICAL COMMUNIST- WHAT IS YOURS IS MINE AND WHAT IS MINE IS MINE.
stan lee says
Consider the constituency they’re always agitating..not much thought process there. That constituency has believed the same propaganda forever, that’s what makes them confirmed Dumbocrats.
They also believe they’re the “elite,” Of course they do, who could know more than them?..
Frank Anderson says
The sentences, such as the one in this article, reflect the same level of sympathy and collaboration in the court and prosecutorial process as the sentence Hitler received for the 1923 Beer Hall Putsch. Hitler’s 5 year sentence turned into about a year during which he ate well, had wonderful times with his followers and wrote Mein Kampf (Vol.1). As long as paltry sentences follow advocacy of the violent overthrow of the government and such rights as are afforded to citizens, and further advocate mass murder, there will be no incentive to teach civilized, but completely un-Islamic values.
Now this guy will have 3 years to raise recruits among an already anti-social and convicted criminal audience so conveniently concentrated for his purposes. Mash theme song: “Suicide is painless.” “Those who cannot remember. . .” Jorge Santayana, Essay on the Life of Reason (1905).
Valkyrie Ziege says
; This is more proof that the ”Stockholm Syndrome” is a lie, e.g. Muhammadans have been living in civilized countries, and they have yet to absorb any civilized traits.
Frank Anderson says
Valkyrie, the entire Islamic culture from the original teachings through 1400 years of indoctrination and practice to this day prohibits on pain of death any change or friendship with infidels. A practicing Muslim learns that lying whenever advantage can be obtained over an Infidel is both permitted and encouraged. Please keep reading this site and many available books to find out for yourself.
Valkyrie Ziege says
; That would be Taqiyya, i.e., According to true believers, lying is okay because such lying is to the devil, therefore it isn’t a sin. My point in my previous entry is that the so-called ”Stockholm Syndrome” is a fallacy.
Frank Anderson says
I believe you are correct in your thoughts. I wish those who repeatedly post proposals for de-programming would either find something else to write about or provide some support for what I believe to be in error. I might learn something if there is anything to learn. Who knows? Others might learn something also.
Mahendra Singh says
Suggested Menu for the Imam while in prison:
Pork sausages for breakfast
Lunch Pork Chops cooked in sherry and seved with pork rinds on the side
Dinner: Roast pork au gratin with mashed potatoes. A glass of red wine.
Brandy to cool his nerves damaged by Islam
Valkyrie Ziege says
; I’d remind him that floor, and window cleaners, used to clean mosques, have alcohol in them, as does clothing, shoes, prayer-rugs, and mosque building materials, in their manufacture, and cleaning. I don’t know if I want to waste such fine eating as pork-rinds on undeserving palates. I’d recommend, for the wine paring, a Sauvignon Blanc, or a Pinot Grigio, served by a female prison guard in a playboy bunny uniform, or a Hooters uniform, from the other side of the prison-bars, where he can’t touch.
Terry says
Better diet–some poison. rat poison should work; extra heavy portion.
Voytek Gagalka says
In Orwellian dictionary, “understanding” means “misunderstanding,” and vice versa. For instance, the pope et al. absolutely do not understand Islam while protesting each and every time that it is the “religion of peace.” Q.E.D.
NorseRadish says
Western nations should pay close attention to how Russia and Communist China deal with their Muslim populations. China, especially, is playing the long game (for some 6,000 years) and will make short shrift of anyone who tries to muck around in their back yard.
For the exact opposite behavior, I refer you to Sweden or France.
gravenimage says
Russia and China actually engage in a lot of appeasement of Islam–just like the West.
moeped says
What an idiot. All he had to do was go to de-radicalization school and watch msm to learn that is lam has nothing whatsoever to do with terrorism.
gravenimage says
Russia: Imam gets 3 years prison for justifying terrorism
…………..
Well, that’s something. What about all the other Imams in Russia, though?
R. Louis Engelbrecht says
I am only interested whatthe amir, iman, leding cleriques and politicians in the Islam countries, Saudi Arabia do and think behind closed doors? What is there hidden agenda for Europe? How do they see the Europe ‘refugee’ crsisis? What are they really planning for Europe in futur? What is there perspactive of Islamphobia? How do they judge the attcaks by extreme muslims in Europe?
Frank Anderson says
Mr. Engelbrecht, I suggest it is obvious that the leadership of Islam worldwide teaches, supports, helps pay for, and encourages every terror attack, every violation of basic human dignity, and every mindless death they can help bring about. To be Muslim one must be completely Muslim or risk death as a reformer and apostate. The “good” Muslims will kill when they get the chance, today, tomorrow, next year or next century. The “bad” Muslims simply want to do what they are taught right now to obtain the sex and alcohol rewards in the next life. To trust the word of people who are taught to lie at every opportunity to obtain advantage over non-believers is, very kindly, delusional. I believe the Bible includes as 1 of the 10 Commandments, “Thou shalt not bear false witness,” meaning to me that lying is generally to be avoided.
There is an old Jewish explanation about telling the truth, “No matter what, ALL brides are beautiful on their wedding day!” I think a lawyer’s analysis suggests that “white lies” which are intended for no harm whatever and used to spare hurt and feelings are proper exceptions to the general rule. Like most rules there are almost always exceptions. But Muslim lies are intended to bring about death and slavery. That is different. To accept them without question is suicide.