Smith College professor Suleiman A. Mourad writes:
With the fall of the USSR and its constellation of Communist governments, US elites no longer had a ready rationale to maintain the country’s war machine….The US brags about its commitment to democracy. But its interventions have yielded death and despotism for the Middle East.
Professor Mourad would have us forget about Iran’s nuclear ambitions and its jihadi threat to the world, as well as the Muslim Brotherhood plan for global conquest, as he essentially calls for American demilitarization.
The anti-American views of Mourad are commonplace among leftist academics. Indeed, they are obsessed with their anti-Americanism, and absolve Muslims past and present of all responsibility for the Islam world’s historic human rights abuses, barbarism, hatred of the infidel, and state-sanctioned atrocities in Sharia-adherent countries. Mourad makes no mention of the fact that in Saudi Arabia, a powerful Sharia-adherent Islamic country, his Smith College students would all need permission from their male guardians to seek an education. But Mourad takes the easy way out: he blames all of Islam’s woes on America.
Mourad also states:
American society — already shot through with militarism, the product of endless military interventions since World War II — has seen a noxious new element added to its violent brew: Islamophobia.
That word “Islamophobia” is frequently wielded, as Mourad does here, to sabotage important discussion about jihad, Sharia, and the grave threat they present to the West.
Mourad adds:
Muslims, in their majority, have pushed for the separation of state and religion…They established liberal democratic constitutions. They liberated women from many old religious customs (including the veil) and brought them into schools and universities and the workforce.
He then discusses Turkey’s Erdogan, Egypt’s Sisi, and the human rights abuses of Assad and Saudi Arabia, blaming all evils upon the U.S., while turning a blind eye to the reasons why America intervened in Muslim countries in the first place. The wisdom of the U.S. strategy is a matter for debate, but not America’s interest in defending itself from the strife and violence that have perpetually plagued the Islamic world, now perpetrated by jihad terror groups trying to restore the lost glories of the Ottoman Empire. Mourad’s wishful thinking and/or outright deception about a Muslim “Renaissance,” “Reformation,” and “Muslim democratic constitutions” prior to U.S. intervention is completely contrary to fact. It is no secret that Islamic reformers throughout the history of Islam have been murdered by Islamic rulers.
Mourad also paints a wretched picture of Muslims. He gives the impression that they are an inferior people, unable to escape the powerful influence of the U.S., and inclined to barbarism, perpetrating violence and oppression against their own as a matter of course. In contrast to Mourad’s exaggerated claims about the Muslim reaction to supposed American misdeeds, the genuine suffering of the Jews at the hands of the Nazis and Muslim Arab nationalists during the Holocaust, the Armenian genocide, and the ongoing genocide against Christians in the Middle East have not led those victimized groups to begin abusing their women, beheading their own and outsiders, stoning those accused of adultery, murdering their own for apostasy, and seeking perpetual revenge and conquest against the infidel.
The Jacobin magazine website, which features Mourad’s article, states that “Jacobin is a leading voice of the American left, offering socialist perspectives on politics, economics, and culture.” Unfortunately, leftists and socialists, still afflicted by white guilt, refuse to realize that a foreign force is overtaking them; that the West and Israel are the victimized ones; and that Islamic supremacists have historically regarded infidels as inferiors. Nor do they recognize how they are being used and manipulated by people such as Mourad, who so skillfully uses their own intellectual constructs against them without their even realizing what is happening.
“How the US Creates Terrorism”, by Suleiman A. Mourad, Jacobin, May 4, 2017:
In February, writing in the pages of the Nation, the Middle East historian Juan Cole ruminated on how the US could defeat ISIS. The answer, he argued, is to forge an alliance with Iran and its network of militias.
Cole has a short historical memory.
The genealogy of ISIS can, no doubt, be traced a good way back in Islamic history. But it includes a very prominent and recent pedigree: the Sunni jihadists that the US sponsored and armed to fight its then-ideological enemy, the USSR, in the 1980s and 1990s. Cole would have the US attack ISIS at all costs, even if his preferred strategy plunged the Muslim world into a state of deeper violence and chaos, and birthed a fiercer enemy in the future.
Unfortunately, the prominent scholar isn’t alone in his amnesia.
The belief that Islamic terrorism represents an existential threat and that all strategies, regardless of their consequences, should be used to fight it has militarized American society in very dangerous ways while obscuring the actual roots of Islamic terrorism.
Violent trends in Islam — as in Christianity and other religions — always existed, but historically, Muslims largely mustered enough social and political will to contain them. So why is this no longer the case, and what are the circumstances that turned the ideology of Islamic terrorism into an attractive one for some today? Who, in short, created the conditions that gave rise to groups like ISIS, al-Qaeda, and many others?
Clashing Civilizations
Since 9/11, the US has pursued policies largely inspired by Samuel Huntington’s “clash of civilizations,” in which the Muslim world stands as an inveterate enemy of “the West.” With the fall of the USSR and its constellation of Communist governments, US elites no longer had a ready rationale to maintain the country’s war machine. Huntington’s theory provided them one.
After al-Qaeda struck on 9/11, the Bush administration launched wars in Afghanistan and Iraq, seeking to eradicate networks of Islamic terror, whatever the price to Muslim civilians. Although antiwar voices in the US grew quite loud at times, and managed to elect Barack Obama as president, a new normal had been established. Obama not only prosecuted the same wars but launched new (albeit undeclared) ones in Pakistan, Libya, Yemen, and Syria. As a result, the Middle East is in even direr straits than when Bush departed (apologetics of Obama boosters notwithstanding).
Back at home, American society — already shot through with militarism, the product of endless military interventions since World War II — has seen a noxious new element added to its violent brew: Islamophobia. Trump’s anti-Muslim executive orders — which, despite some backlash, received higher approval ratings than his overall performance as president — were just the latest indication of how profoundly recent US wars have changed American society, and how domestically successful the campaign against Islam has been.
Deepening militarization has empowered religious fanatics and imperialist ideologues in the US, who use any pretext to march the country down the path of Huntington’s “clash of civilizations.” Indeed, ultra-conservative Christianity in the US doesn’t express itself primarily through violence at home. It uses its political muscle to inflict violence abroad through US wars.
Autocracy in the Middle East
If the Middle East is mired in dictatorship, it has more to do with US meddling than any innate Muslim affinity for despotism. When Syrian autocrat Hafez al-Assad died in 2000, President Bill Clinton dispatched Secretary of State Madeleine Albright to fête his son, Bashar al-Assad, as the British-educated reformer. Assad ruled with an iron first from the beginning — and the US raised no objections.
In 2009, Obama travelled to Turkey and Egypt to announce a new US posture toward the Muslim world. Gaddafi, Mubarak, Assad — all were slated for removal, to make way for a new breed of dictators cloned in the image of the ruler who was then the darling of the US and Europe: Turkish leader Recep Tayyip Erdoğan.
But Obama’s meddling weakened an already fragile civil society, multiplying recruits to ISIS and al-Qaeda. And the region’s autocrats and others knew exactly how to play the game. They used the threat of ISIS to justify their draconian clampdown on political freedom, and as scarecrows to frighten the US and Europe into guaranteeing their survival. How else could they be “key partners” in the war against terror?
When Erdoğan came to power, the US (the EU on its heels) steered all kinds of investment and political support his way. Erdoğan was the model of the new “moderate Muslim.” Today he is dismantling a civil society that took decades to build, and anyone who dares to criticize him is labeled a terrorist. Abdel Fattah el-Sisi, Mubarak’s successor, is turning Egypt into a time bomb by filling his prisons with thousands of alleged terrorists. Assad finished off fifteen thousand supposed terrorists in a single prison, and his barbarity has fueled a civil war that’s left more than five hundred thousand dead and caused five million to flee the country. The Iraqi government employs Iranian-backed militias that are no less murderous than ISIS. Saudi Arabia’s ongoing, US-backed bombing campaign has leveled Yemen.
ISIS, al-Qaeda, and their ilk have often depended on the protection and support of other US allies. Pakistan nurtured terrorist organizations to use against India, and the Saudis did the same to undercut Assad’s government and Iranian influence in Iraq, Yemen, and elsewhere. Erdoğan used ISIS as a weapon against the Kurds, and Assad did the same to cause trouble for the US in Iraq (and later the Syrian opposition).
What Muslim world are we expecting these actors to build after ISIS is gone?
No More Allies
Since the 1950s, US foreign policy has systematically worked to undermine democracy in the Muslim world. It’s labored to undercut all the optimism and reform that secularists and religious progressives advocated for and institutionalized since the nineteenth century.
Muslims, in their majority, have pushed for the separation of state and religion (shunning Sharia and reducing its application to a small realm, including marriage, inheritance, and pure religious practice). They established liberal democratic constitutions. They liberated women from many old religious customs (including the veil) and brought them into schools and universities and the workforce….
Where has all this happened? Where are these Muslim liberal democracies?
Irene Brekelmans says
Yes indeed, where are those democratic liberal muslims? May be we get to meet at least one..
And really, professor Suleiman A. Mourad, you make up your own fantasy world and believe in it. But only as long as it will last.
Take a very good look at yourself in the mirroir and ask yourself, how can I live with myself in these enormous lies,
With threatening us constantly with taking over our countries, with destroying our properties, raping killing,stoning etc. and trying to put terror in us. You came here as guests and nothing else and you blew it.
Good night Mr Suleiman Mourad and sleep well !!!
Jeanette says
He will sleep well, as all people without consciences do.
Terry says
And living in the Us, and with a sinecure job at an all women’s school, he probably eats well, and has his choice of fresh girls for relaxational sex.
And does not overwork; just occasionally publish some drivel like this
Moa says
The blaming of the West, especially the USA and Israel, for anything and everything they have done or not done comes from a deliberate strategy called ‘Cultural Marxist Critical Theory’.
Once you understand that the Colelctivist Left are engaging in deliberate demoralization of the West to lower resistance to Marxism (rule by the State, which really means, rule by the Leftist ‘elites’) then you understand why they will never give the US credit for anything, will always attack the West, and will always give Islamists a free pass – only the West can be found guilty, everyone else’s crimes must be ignored or played-down to make the West look worthy of being destroyed.
The Leftist-Islamist Axis is evil.
Jeanette says
Good term “leftist-Islamist Axis” – we need to use it constantly until it is a well-known term!
Wellington says
What is so Orwellian in all of this is that academics in Western universities and colleges continue to make excuses for a belief system in Islam which demands death for any Muslim who converts to another religion, and as upheld to this very day by every major school of Islamic theology, for instance the four main Sunni schools, the Hanafi, Hanbali, Shafi and Maliki. Islam to the present, and once again as put forth by EVERY major school of Islamic theology, Sunni or Shiite, demands severe punishment or death for any criticism of Islam, the Koran or Mohammed. The West has not made Islam do this. Islam completely on its own continues to do this.
But America, where freedom reigns and where it does not in ANY Muslim-majority nation, is the culprit per your thinking, Professor Mourad. Right.
Professor Mourad: You are a turd (fitting since Islam is the turd in the religious punch bowl), a parasite, a liar, and someone who glosses over where the real problem lies, i.e., in the Islamic theological blueprint itself, which will destroy the West if only given the chance and right now it is definitely being given the chance, courtesy of mendacious and foolish people like you and other willfully ignorant people like the present Prime Ministers of the UK and Canada, the current Pope, virtually all Democrats in the US and not a few Republicans.
You all make me sick. You disgust me. Thoroughly.
Michael Copeland says
A clash of civilisations?
Plural?
Slavery, daughter-killing, stonings, vigilante killings of apostates and alleged blasphemers, amputations, girls’ genital mutilation, forced marriage, child marriage, wife-beating, no freedom of conscience, no freedom of speech, no equality before the law, second class status for women.
That is not civilisation.
gravenimage says
Spot on.
bernie says
Where are all the Tibetan Buddhist suicide-homicide bombers? The Chinese leadership has treated the Tibetans worse, and far more cynically, than the Israeli leadership has treatedvthe Palestinians overall.
Could it have something to do with widespread Muslim notions of jihad, martyrdom and anti-Jewish sentiment, to explain the difference?
Janice Disher says
Exactly!
Jeanne Harrington says
Mohammed created terrorism. http://invasion2020.com
Terry says
socialist perspectives on politics, economics
I SAW THE ABOVE ABOUT THIS RAG (OR WEBSITE) BEFORE FINISHING. SO MY FIRST COMMENT.
WE CAN SEE-ALMOST DAILY, HOW THE SOCIALIST IMPLEMENTATION IN VENEZUELA, ONCE THE RICHEST NATION IN SOUTH AMERICA HAS WORKED IN POLITICS AND ECONOMICS.
That is what Bernie Sanders wished on the US.
And, just out of (morbid) curioisyt- is anyone aware of a SOCIALIST ECONOMIC POLICY THAT HAS WORKED, AND ALLOWED FOR FREEEDOMS?
Jeanette says
Most likely none of us have, but that won’t convince the little Marxist snowflakes.
I’m really wondering how much teaching children nearly from birth to support sports teams, no matter what they do, plays into this “My group can do no wrong” mindset. Remember how thrilled the fans of the Atlanta Falcons were when they got Michael Vick, their dog-fighting, dog-torturing, dog-beating, puppy- and dog-electrocuting player, back after he was released after serving time for animal cruelty?
I think many people have transferred that mindset from sports teams to liberal/socialist/Marxist parties and organizations “teams”. Now they won’t even consider whether the team’s assessment of Islam is correct. I don’t don’t think we could trust them to apply their minds to that question, even if Muslims murdered their children.
Terry says
Jeanette, as to your last sentence.
It was only a few weeks ago, the daughter of some German politician who IS IN FAVOR OF THE MUSLIM REFUGEES, HAD HSI DAUGHTER (I THINK RAPED FIRST THEN) KILLED.
(PERHAPS JUST KILLED). BY A REFUGEE.
and he donated money to refugee causes, after her funeral.
Does that answer your question/statement
Terry says
Having now read the above babbling-all that I can add to the comments- yes-Obama did screw up.
Two major cases-my view- Quaddafi (many spellings, nobody seems to agree on the right one) in Libya- a dictator, yes; but he kept the peace. And Egypt- with Mubarak. Obama sent a career diplomat, to talk to him, and Mubarak agreed not to run for Pres again, and not have his family run. He cabled same back to Obama, and THE NEXT DAY saw a headline — saying other matters- and the situation that led to Morsi then Sisi in Egypt. From a peaceful transition to chaos.
As to Pres. trump-his Executive ORDERS WERE FOR A 90 DAY PERIOD TO VET REFUGEES–BASED UPON LAWS PASSED BY CONGRESS WHEN OBAMA WAS PRESIDENT.
NOTE: ISRAEL; INDIA; GIBRALTAR – NOT THERE. COUDL IT BE- THEY DON’T HAVE HOME GROWN TERRORISTS? ( if they do, they would eb Muslims).
gravenimage says
Terry wrote:
NOTE: ISRAEL; INDIA; GIBRALTAR – NOT THERE. COUDL IT BE- THEY DON’T HAVE HOME GROWN TERRORISTS? ( if they do, they would eb Muslims).
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Terry, I’m afraid that your idea that Israel and India do not suffer from Jihad terrorism is quite mistaken. There has been a concerted onslaught of Jihad terrorism against Israel since before the state officially existed:
“’Palestinian’ Muslims murder US tourist, wound 12 Israelis in jihad stabbings”
https://www.jihadwatch.org/2016/03/palestinian-muslims-murder-us-tourist-wound-12-israelis-in-jihad-stabbings
“Kashmir: Jihadis attack Indian army camp, kill three, then Muslim mob stones security forces”
https://www.jihadwatch.org/2017/04/kashmir-jihadis-attack-indian-army-camp-kill-three-then-muslim-mob-stones-security-forces
And Gibraltar has an infamous background as a launching pad for the invasion of Spain by Muslim conquerors.
But I certainly take your point that these are majority-Infidel nations, and that their non-Muslim populations present no danger to the US–in fact, they are usually assets.
Troybeam says
Another Muslim professor stating the United States creates terror, Let’s put him in a room with victims of Islamic terror, lets have him state how the USA creates terror, then have him explain how Islam creates terror and how often they incite terror upon nations not Islamic, what do you think he’d say?
This person is another reason Muslims should not be working within America, Islam is never at fault just the rest of the world is at fault for all terrorism.
Frank Verderber says
I live in the area just south of Smith College. Well I think I will have a news commentary for them and their resident Muslim. Apparently, they are feeling the heat. The cockroaches are beginning to crawl of their holes. Good – just were we want them – exposed and frothing their insanity. I wonder, if Smith students hold a protest in Northampton, will they have Prof. Mourad hold a tall puppet or will he be one?
gravenimage says
Smith College professor: “The U.S. creates terrorism”
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Gee–who created Jihad terrorism for the 1200 years before America existed?
traci94 says
That is an excellent question!
scherado says
I think he means that there wouldn’t be any terrorism if there were no United States.
He can not say that for obvious reasons.
Chris Malan says
There would be no terrorism in the United States if there were no United States. As is happening at present, there would be terrorism elsewhere. The ragheads don’t like countries more prosperous and developed than they are. And there are plenty such countries.
Zimriel says
Oh this *is* disappointing. Mourad is another one who has put out fine scholarship on early Islamic society – in his case, Hasan al-Basri. It is truly sad to see him spout off against America (secure in a cushy university post in America).
gravenimage says
Actually, Zimriel, Mourad has done a great deal of whitewash of Islam:
http://www.france24.com/en/20161217-interview-suleiman-mourad-mosaic-islam-muslims-sharia-jihad-sunnis-shiites-koran
There’s lots more. Check out some of his interviews and panel discussions.
Really, this should not surprise.
Chris Malan says
Come on, what do you expect? He teaches courses on Islamic history and religion and comparative themes in monotheistic religions – copied from Smith’s website. Why there even should be such courses beats me. What can one do with a degree majoring in that? Clean toilets? I see Smith’s is mainly for women, so bake a cake is something else one can do with a degree in Islamic history.
By now you should have noticed that people like Mourad nearly all come from a similar academic background – the arts, humanities and religion. These people are BS artists par exellence. Don’t pay much attention to such as he.
gravenimage says
It’s much worse than that. Muslims like this are pretending that Islam is “feminist”–just as he is pretending that Islam has nothing to do with Jihad terror.
I’ll leave aside your “bake a cake” comment.
Chris Malan says
To be honest, Mohammad worked for his first wife, Gadija, before marrying her. He one-upped the ‘marry the boss’ daugther’ concept, he married the boss. Gadija was also the first convert to Islam. She was apparently about 15 years older than Mohammad. He made up with that later by marrying Aisha who was six at the time while he was over 50. A well balanced man.
I worked in Saudi Arabia. Those women nag, like all women do. I’ve seen one tell her husband, shut up, I’m talking. He shut up. Little girls don veils like little girls here put on high heels. They only have to start wearing veils at about 10. In my experience the Saudi women want to wear veils. All women have to cover their hair, but veils are custom. One female Saudi dentist told me she didn’t wear a veil because she was pretty enough not to need one.
Aussie Infidel says
Professor Mourad claims that Muslims have pushed for the separation of state and religion, established liberal democratic constitutions, and liberated women from many old religious customs (including the veil) and brought them into schools and universities and the workforce. What rubbish! Has he been on the fermented grape juice? Or camel urine?
Mourad claims that the US creates terrorism. While some US foreign policy has been short sighted, Islamic terrorism (aka jihad) raged for a thousand years before the US was established. The first clash of civilizations (in this context) was with the Barbary pirates who raided US shipping in the Mediterranean in the 1800s. Thomas Jefferson was then president and he formed the US Marine Corps to deal with the Tripolitan corsairs – hence the words of the Marine’s hymn “From the shores of Montezuma, to the shores of Tripoli.”
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Barbary_War
Mourad is just another leftist Muslim academic using propaganda (taqiyya) to fool ignorant westerners. Courtesy of ME oil money, hundreds of these lying ‘intellectuals’ have ensconced themselves in Schools of Middle Eastern Studies at universities throughout the Western world. Their main goal is to con students into believing that Islam is a ‘religion of peace’. They are a fifth column in our midst to reduce any opposition to the ongoing jihad against the West.
Terry says
About a year ago (was not, as far as I know, in JW) a PAKISTANI MUSLIM said that the problem with Muslims and Muslim society is EDUCATION.
I don’t recall the numbers, but the number of colleges and universities per 1,000 or 10,000 or 100,000 (again, I don’t remember the numbers) of PEOPLE-ALL AGES, in Muslim countries so minimal. he compared the numbers to Israel ( more colleges and universities than virtually ANY MUSLIM COUNTRY-all of which had larger populations) and obviously a much higher per-capita of people in the schools.
The US & Europe ( eastern & western) also had much larger numbers, as did most of Asia (including China, Taiwan, japan and India).
That is the problem.
In Africa, this was written about -starting (I first saw this when I was in college in the late 1960’s early 1970’s) ( and the same, in my view, holds true for Muslim countries)- the wife/mother is the primary care giver to children- especially young children- and if she is uneducated, as most women were ( and probably still are in these countries), regardless of how well educated the husband is, the children become like their mother- uneducated, and a generation is skipped.
gravenimage says
Terry wrote:
About a year ago (was not, as far as I know, in JW) a PAKISTANI MUSLIM said that the problem with Muslims and Muslim society is EDUCATION…
That is the problem.
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Terry, it is true that much of the Muslim world is poorly educated, because Islam has no respect for learning.
But Suleiman Mourad is not uneducated–in fact, he is a professor at a major American university.
He is just using this education to spew Taqiyya.
I believe that the main problem is Islam itself.
mousey says
“But its interventions have yielded death and despotism for the Middle East.”
Well…hillary clinton working with saudis, or whoever, really wanted qadaffi out (was it his push for gold standard that might ruin the big banking system? or that he had a thriving muslim country without all the sharia? or….) She most certainly did intervene, and there certainly was lots of death because of her, and stilll death because of her, and lots more migrants to europe bec of her.
don’t forget that u.s. actions have been controlled by people who….
ibrahim itace muhammed says
Christine Williams,you are also a christian bigot with illogical lines of arguement.Are you denying the fact that after the collapse of soviet union the united states embarked on another round of crusade to carryout genocide on muslims. George w Bush said it.in fact during invasion of iraq an unexploded cluster bomb dropped by Us was found bearing Samuel 15:3.what does that mean ?mass killing of muslims in iraq and it happened where more than 3 million iraqis killed.christine ,can you deny the fact that it was the united states who groomed Alqaeda to fight proxy war against soviet union?presently the united states is siding terrorist groups it groomed to fight Assad.what does the united states want achieve?to shed muslim bloods
The united states is therefore a wicked nation set to carryout mass killings of muslims in the name of mithraist jesus with holy ghost ( the satan) as helper.Even this your lies against islam and muslims at jihad watch is part of propaganda for neocrusade war against muslims.This is exactly how the church started before launching those brutal wars of genocide against muslims.
r
Jeanette says
You mean the wars of genocide that killed 270 MILLION people, and enslaved 185 MILLION?
No, wait! That was the MUSLIMS that did that!
It’s the MUSLIMS that are burning people alive; raping babies; slitting women repeatedly; drowning people in cages; stoning women; cutting off appendages; throwing people from roofs; bombing innocents; slicing off heads.
You are so blind and decency-crippled that you can’t even see that that kind of behavior is not right. Which is not an excuse, because you could easily educate yourself, but choose not to.
Take your taqiyya elsewhere. Find some stupid people to unload your evil Muslim lies onto.
This group has your number: You are part of the Leftist-Islamic Axis.
Ashley says
Your attack on Ms. Williams is unwarranted.
Your Qur’an (murder manual) is long due for an edit overhaul.
May I suggest you sweep your own front porch?
You can start with a course in English 101…at least your bullshit will be somewhat comprehensible.
Peace…
SK says
Whoever wrote that verse on the bomb obviously misapplied the verse. The context should make it clear that the Amalekites were attacked by Israel because of the historical event where they raided Israel when they were weak and God said not to forget it.
I just remembered that some people want to say Islam is like Amalekites because of people who want to massacre Jews. I’ve seen it in comment sections.
gravenimage says
SK, I have never seen this claim substantiated–there isn’t even anything about it on-line. I think muhammed just made it up.
Have you *ever* heard Jews or Christians defending against attacks from Muslims citing this Bible verse? I certainly have not.
SK says
I know I have read it in a comment section (I don’t know if I remember what site, but it was probably an article about the Daqamseh release), and the commenter applied it to Islamic anti-Semitism. Honestly, it seems like an extremely obscure interpretation, and I never intended to imply otherwise.
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https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20101128142417AAQF8HE
(A Yahoo! Answers question that offers several web links to sites where the idea is promoted)
:
http://shoebat.com/2014/09/10/jewish-bible-hamas-isis-todays-amalekites/
(Walid Shoebat chewing on the idea that radical Muslims like Hamas and ISIL might be a new Amalekites)
https://www.jihadwatch.org/2016/12/obama-administration-lied-exposed-as-architect-of-anti-israel-un-action#comment-1584325
(A comment on JW where a user holds this interpretation; top-level comment is IIM again; but this is not the comment I had in mind.)
:
http://m.clevelandjewishnews.com/archives/grievous-wrong-to-regard-all-arabs-or-muslims-as-modern/article_bfae74f0-74ce-57a0-bad1-73b1810d3694.html
(A Jewish news site from Cleveland mentions the idea in passing as being wrong; in context, the article is about the passage in question being read on Shabbat/Shabbos)
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In the end, we don’t actually know if this bomb is real; it may well be fake news. If it is, that was the only interpretation I could think of, tbh. If there weren’t any Islamic anti-Semitism, we might not have people with this interpretation.
gravenimage says
Appalling Muslim supremacist ibrahim itace muhammed wrote:
Christine Williams,you (sic) are also a christian (sic) bigot with illogical lines of arguement.Are (sic) you denying the fact that after the collapse of soviet (sic) union (sic) the united (sic) states (sic) embarked on another round of crusade to carryout (sic) genocide on muslims (sic).
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There are more Muslims now than ever. There was no attempt at genocide of Muslims by the United States.
In fact, the US *ousted* regimes that were killing their own Muslim populations–Saddam Hussein and the Taliban.
Is the vile ibrahim itace muhammed a fan of the Taliban? Likely so–after all, they are perfectly Islamic.
More:
George w Bush said it.
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He *said what*? He never said he was committing genocide against Muslims. What grotesque calumny.
More:
in fact during invasion of iraq an unexploded cluster bomb dropped by Us (sic) was found bearing Samuel 15:3.what does that mean ?
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Uh huh. I’ve seen that claim made by Taqiyya-spewing Mohammedans here before. But they have never pointed to a single article claiming this. This does not even appear to exist as an assertion by some Iraqi Muslim–it appears to be no more than bit of calumny. Does muhammed have any links? I very much doubt it–there does not appear to be anything on-line at all.
More:
mass (sic) killing of muslims (sic) in iraq (sic) and it happened where more than 3 million iraqis (sic) killed.
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This figure goes up every time Muslims repeat it. This is at least six times the high-end estimate, which was a highly questionable figure to begin with.
More:
christine , (sic) can you deny the fact that it was the united (sic) states (sic) who groomed Alqaeda (sic) to fight proxy war against soviet (sic) union?presently (sic) the united (sic) states (sic) is siding terrorist groups it groomed to fight Assad.what (sic) does the united (sic) states (sic) want (sic) achieve?to (sic) shed muslim (sic) bloods (sic)
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What a lot of rot. Muslims have been slaughtering each other for 1400 years now.
The United States’ rather pathetic attempts to find some “moderate” faction in the Jihad mash-up in Syria does not change this.
More:
The united (sic) states (sic) is therefore a wicked nation set to carryout mass killings of muslims (sic) in the name of mithraist (sic) jesus (sic) with holy ghost ( the satan) (sic) as helper.Even (sic) this your lies against islam (sic) and muslims (sic) at jihad (sic) watch (sic) is part of propaganda for neocrusade (sic) war against muslims.This (sic) is exactly how the church started before launching those brutal wars of genocide against muslims (sic).
r
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What a load of projection.
Firstly, the Crusades were *defensive* wars–there was no genocide of Muslims. Nor it there any genocide against Muslims today.
This is just projection–Muslims are actually committing genocide against Christians and other Infidels in the Middle East *right now*.
And muhammed has claimed that Jihad Watch is lying many times–without, it is notable, ever giving so much as a single example–because, of course, he can’t.
The fact is that there have been almost 31,000 Jihad terror attacks just since 9/11 is ample proof that it is ravening Muslims attacking and murdering *us*–not our threatening Muslims.
But muhammed is hoping to induce unearned guilt if we even consider defending against Jihad. *Ugh*.
Mo says
@ ibrahim itace muhammed
“Christine Williams,you are also a christian bigot with illogical lines of arguement.Are you denying the fact that after the collapse of soviet union the united states embarked on another round of crusade to carryout genocide on muslims. ”
Take your slander and your falsehoods elsewhere. Liar.
isabella van der westhuizen says
In a sense we did help foster these groups. We supported the Mujehedin against the communists and they eventually turned on us. It was bait like supporting Stalin against the Nazis. We were allies but later bitter enemies
The brave Mujhedin eventually became al Qaeda
Jeanette says
These people were raping babies; slitting women repeatedly; stoning women; cutting off appendages; throwing people from roofs; and slicing off heads long before America existed.
We are not to blame for them. They choose not to educate themselves about what Mohammed really was, and that is their fault, and theirs ALONE!
Geppetto says
And this is the kind of ahistorical nonsense, all dressed up in slick, pseudo intellectual discourse, that is being spoon fed to the students and former students of academia and their equally duped cohorts predisposed to blame America for all the hideous evils that are happening all around the world; everywhere unbelievably barbaric terrorist attacks occur, amidst triumphal shouts of Allahu Akbar, but whose motivation remains stubbornly and infuriatingly “unknown;” it’s America’s fault.
Ergo America must disarm, disengage, atone for her sins by allowing Muslims to dominate, politically, socially and culturally, and peace will reign supreme because their slick, deceptive propaganda says so. The progressive, liberal elite have been predisposed, preconditioned to believe this anti-American diatribe and are convinced, that America’s success must have been built out of an innate greed and a sheer lust to dominate and rule the entire world no matter the human cost or extreme environmental catastrophes that ensue. America’s women, children, the elderly, sick, indigent, impoverished minorities and LGBTQ communities are being ignored by these evil, imperialist Capitalists and suffering mightily.
While all these liberal snowflakes are publicly brooding and wringing their hands over this “looming, calamitous” situation, the hard line progressive socialists in league with their Muslim “allies” are gleefully celebrating in anticipation of taking down America. The former are likely unaware that they are the same ilk as the useful idiots that admired and revered their communist handlers after WWII.
American academia needs to be purged of so called academics like professor Suleiman A. Mourad.
Jeanette says
Amen!
gravenimage says
Fine post, Geppetto.
ibrahim itace muhammed says
Jeanette,you mean you dont know that the church directed series of brutal wars of crusade against muslims where fighters for christ swimed in human blood upto their ankles as historians quoted the church men proudly saying?in series of crusade wars reliable have recorded that christians killed more than 20 million muslims.can you prove with cogent and irrefutal historical evidence where muslims killed even one million people throuhout history?
SK says
“can you prove with cogent and irrefutal historical evidence where muslims killed even one million people throuhout history?”
Well, the death toll for Aurangzeb’s Mughal campaign in Deccan, in India is estimated at about 4.6 million.
Where do you get your numbers from? Whose numbers do you use? I’m having trouble finding casualty numbers for quite a few conflicts.
gravenimage says
More from ibrahim itace muhammed:
Jeanette,you (sic) mean you dont (sic) know that the church directed series of brutal wars of crusade against muslims (sic) where fighters for christ (sic) swimed (sic) in human blood upto (sic) their ankles as historians quoted the church men proudly saying?
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Good lord–this twaddle is debunked here:
https://apholt.com/2015/10/07/professor-thomas-madden-on-the-first-crusade-jerusalem-and-the-rivers-of-blood/
It would have taken over three million bodies to expend this much gore. muhammed does understand that there was no city that large on the face of the earth in 1099 AD, and there would not be for many hundreds of years.
More:
in (sic) series of crusade wars reliable have recorded that christians (sic) killed more than 20 million muslims.can (sic) you prove with cogent and irrefutal (sic) historical evidence where muslims (sic) killed even one million people throuhout (sic) history?
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What rot. There are, of course, no exact figures, numbers in toto–that is, including deaths on both sides and including disease and starvation, amounted to an estimate at the largest less than a sixth of what muhammed claims. The most common estimates are less than a twentieth.
Whereas Muslims have slaughtered an estimated 270 million victims since the vicious “Prophet” Muhammed began butchering unbelievers in Medina in order to spread his foul creed.
The rough breakdown is as follows: 120 million Africans, 60 million Christians, 80 million Hindus, 10 million Buddhists, and hundreds of thousands of Jews.
Well over a million Christians were slaughtered during the Armenian Genocide, which took place not even a hundred years ago. How can muhammed believe we don’t know this?
The notable thing, of course, is that when are in full, vicious ascendancy, they *brag* about their bloody conquests.
The fact that Mohammedans like muhammed feel the need to minimize their savagery lest they alarm the Infidels into defending themselves is a backhanded compliment and acknowledgement of our strength.
Chris Malan says
Add to that that the crusades could never have happened had the Muslims not conquered Palestine. It was Muslim aggression first, Christian aggression 400 years later.
emmett says
So Bush even pissed- off old Tamerlame, who would have thunk-it !
gravenimage says
ha ha
Santa Voorhees says
Someone must tell him that americans did not write the Quran,