What about jihad violence is contrary to the spirit of Ramadan? The many Islamic authorities quoted in this piece would disagree with President Trump. But Muslims are enraged anyway, because Trump had the temerity in his Ramadan message, alongside these soothing falsehoods, to mention jihad terrorism. He is supposed to toe the establishment line that Muslims who commit violence in the name of Islam and in accord with its teachings have nothing to do with Islam.
“Trump’s statement on Ramadan is almost entirely about terrorism,” by Sarah Pulliam Bailey, Washington Post, May 26, 2017:
President Trump issued a statement on Ramadan — a holy month of fasting and prayer for Muslims around the world — that focused primarily on violence and terrorism. His statement was a stark contrast from the Ramadan message President George W. Bush issued in the aftermath of Sept. 11, 2001, in which he emphasized how millions of Americans are Muslim and explained Islamic belief.
“At its core, the spirit of Ramadan strengthens awareness of our shared obligation to reject violence, to pursue peace, and to give to those in need who are suffering from poverty or conflict,” Trump wrote.
Trump noted recent terrorist attacks in the United Kingdom and in Egypt, “acts of depravity that are directly contrary to the spirit of Ramadan. Such acts only steel our resolve to defeat the terrorists and their perverted ideology.”
Trump also noted his recent visit to Saudi Arabia, where he gave a speech on terrorism. “I reiterate my message delivered in Riyadh: America will always stand with our partners against terrorism and the ideology that fuels it,” he said in the statement.
Several Americans who are Muslims said Friday that they especially noted Trump’s framing of terrorism around Ramadan. Shadi Hamid, a fellow at the [Qatar-funded – ed.] Brookings Institution who is Muslim, said his expectations of Trump are so low that he seemed surprised Trump said something “vaguely nice” in parts of the statement.
“Trump has so rarely recognized that American Muslims even exist, but this offers apparent proof that he is aware of our existence. Great!” he said. “Putting all that context aside, it’s offensive and pretty much terrible.”
Trump’s statement, Hamid said, ties Muslims who are American citizens to the problem of terrorism.
“We, as American Muslims, shouldn’t be defined solely in our relationship to bad things that we have nothing to do with,” Hamid said. “We’re also normal people who happen to be Muslim and to see us and our history in America so narrowly is plain out offensive.”
Asma T. Uddin, editor of AltMuslimah, said she thinks Trump’s statement is typical of his position on Islam, though it’s less infused with fear. For instance, Trump said a year ago, “I think Islam hates us.”
“To the extent he’s playing nice, it’s again and always linked to Muslims’ utility in countering radicalism/solving terrorism,” she said.
Muslims spend the month of Ramadan in prayer and reflection and feeding the poor, and Wajahat Ali, a writer and lawyer who has studied the anti-Muslim movement in the United States. He joked about how Trump’s statement seems odd in context.
“I didn’t know Allah sent down Ramadan, a month of mercy, peace and blessings, to deputize American Muslims to help the U.S. fight ISIS,” Ali said, referring to the Islamic State by another name. “Here I was thinking it’s a month where Muslims reconnect with our spirit, our creator, our family and our communities and uplift ourselves through fasting, restraint, generosity and prayer.”
Compared with Trump and his comments on Islam, Bush is “seen as a moderate, enlightened sage,” Ali said.
“I mean do you really want us to fight ISIS during Ramadan?” Ali said. “We’ll be weak. I’m fasting from dawn until sunset. Not even water? Not even water! I mean, I could kill terrorists with my Ramadan breath.”…
The full statement from President Trump on Ramadan is below:
On behalf of the American people, I would like to wish all Muslims a joyful Ramadan.
During this month of fasting from dawn to dusk, many Muslims in America and around the world will find meaning and inspiration in acts of charity and meditation that strengthen our communities. At its core, the spirit of Ramadan strengthens awareness of our shared obligation to reject violence, to pursue peace, and to give to those in need who are suffering from poverty or conflict.
This year, the holiday begins as the world mourns the innocent victims of barbaric terrorist attacks in the United Kingdom and Egypt, acts of depravity that are directly contrary to the spirit of Ramadan. Such acts only steel our resolve to defeat the terrorists and their perverted ideology.
On my recent visit to Saudi Arabia, I had the honor of meeting with the leaders of more than 50 Muslim nations. There, in the land of the two holiest sites in the Muslim world, we gathered to deliver together an emphatic message of partnership for the sake of peace, security, and prosperity for our countries and for the world.
I reiterate my message delivered in Riyadh: America will always stand with our partners against terrorism and the ideology that fuels it. During this month of Ramadan, let us be resolved to spare no measure so that we may ensure that future generations will be free of this scourge and able to worship and commune in peace.
I extend my best wishes to Muslims everywhere for a blessed month as you observe the Ramadan traditions of charity, fasting, and prayer. May God bless you and your families.
SV says
lol sounds like Ramadan is the perfect time to fight terrorists actually, Ali you dolt. A bunch of either overemotional starving “losers” or a bunch of overly stuffed and languid “losers.”
Westman says
“Education for fasting has not been limited to preparing Muslims for battle and imbuing them with the meaning of soldiering, but also included waging a number of honorable battles during the month of Ramadan – to the point where this month came to be called ‘The Month of jihad.’ ” – Egyptian cleric and Al-Azhar lecturer Dr. Fuad Mukheimar.
mortimer says
RAMADAN IS THE MONTH OF JIHAD AND VICTORIES
President Trump is WRONG about RAMADAN.
The former Mufti of Egypt, Ali Goma said, “Throughout the history of] Islamic civilization, Ramadan has been not only a month of worship and of growing close to Allah the Almighty, but also a month of action and jihad aimed at spreading this great religion. When the soul grows stronger and the spirit soars, it inevitably affects the body, which [also] grows stronger – for the body is the mirror of the soul. That is why, throughout [Muslim] history, Ramadan has been a month of great conquests, which were an important factor in spreading Islam, with its righteousness and tolerance, across the world. Ramadan saw [many] events that were milestones in the history of Islamic civilization.
In Muslim tradition, RAMADAN is also perceived as a month of JIHAD and MARTYRDOM, a month in which Allah grants military victories to His believers. It was during Ramadan that Muslims triumphed in many of their battles, among them the battle of Badr in 624 between supporters of Muhammad and a merchant caravan of the Quraysh tribe; the conquest of Mecca in 630 and of Andalusia in 711; the battle of Al-Zallaqa in 1086, in which Spanish Muslims defeated the Castilians near the city of Badajoz on today’s Portuguese border, and the 1973 War (called The Ramadan War).
-The commandment of jihad, which is of supreme importance at all times, assumes even greater importance during this holy month and gains precedence over all other commandments.
-Those who gain martyrdom during the month of Ramadan are doubly rewarded in Paradise.
-During Ramadan, the Muslims are especially beholden to protect the sanctity of the Muslim holy places and keep the infidels from “desecrating” or threatening them.
-in Ramadan, Allah grants fighters special strength, despite – or rather by virtue of – their fasting.
Gerald Mucci says
Trump is being sucked in and deceived by a bunch of Muslim-pandering Bush-like advisors. Not good.
Michael says
I believe ISIS — nothing to do with Islam, of course — called for jihad peace loving folks to attack people in their homes, specifically during Ramadan. Peace. The Islam way. It’s a beautiful thing …
Debi Brand says
http://www.debibrand.org/commemorating-ramadan/#sthash.jiWHpbDA.dpbs
David says
I agree with Gerald as we are all being deceived Radical Muslims and non-radicals worship the Quran. Some are so full of hate they kill them selves and as many other s as they can while others live quietly until they outnumber us. But their god is not out God and their culture is not our culture. We are going to cause our own destruction by being naive and accepting political correctness over common sense.
Dacritic says
Yes, he is as clueless as he was about Islam before he got elected. He’s still going by his instincts on Islam, which I think he feels “hates us”, but is probably being talked around a bit to be politically correct by his “advisers”. Robert Spencer has to request an audience with the White House quickly.
BC says
Interesting how they can read a speech and put their own interpretation on it. Oh I forgot the MSM do it all the time!
It is all a sham anyway, it is not voluntary in many Muslim countries where ‘police’ go around checking on people to see if they are following the rules.Any medical practitioner will tell you that it is also unhealthy to go without water for a whole day.. Also they gorge themselves before sun rise and after sunset to the point where many put on weight during ramadan. So much for feeling like the poor, who go hungry every day of the year
Yuval says
Ramadan is the month of Jihad. That is killing and subduing the Infidel. Cannot fool us anymore
Berengaria says
Thank you Yuval, your Ramadan Message is “The Plain Unvarnished Truth” & I pray that every American, President Trump Included, read & understand what Ramadan means to the Host Nation, USA.
Thank you again, Berengaria
Mark Spahn (West Seneca, NY) says
Yuval, You say that Ramadan is the month of jihad; that is, the month for killing kafirs. How do you square this with Quran 9:5, “And when the sacred months have passed, then kill the polytheists wherever you find them”? The sacred months are the 1st, 7th, 11th, and 12th months of the
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_calendar . The 12th month is the month of Ramadan. So it is not open season on kafirs until the sacred month of Ramadan has passed, and the conclusion seems to be that you must wait until Ramadan is over before you resume killing kafirs. Right?
(By the way, I have suggested to CAIR that they offer the public a color-coded daily service for when the killing of kafirs is allowed: green for open season, red for sacred-month prohibition of kafir-hunting.)
CogitoErgoSum says
Mark,
“And when the sacred months have passed ….. ” To what year was Quarn 9:5 referring? Those sacred months of that particular year have long passed and now every day of every month of the year is open season on kafir.
gravenimage says
True.
Jack Diamond says
The Verse of the Sword, according to scholars like ibn Juzayy “abrogated every peace treaty in the Qur’an.” In The Jalalan, published by Al-Azhar, “Muhammad had earlier made a covenant with them (infidels) not to kill them. After that, this verse was given in order to free God and Muhammad from any covenant with the infidels… it gives them a 4-month grace period, then kill the infidels wherever you find them. Capture them, besiege them in their castles and fortresses until they are forced to accept Islam or be killed.”
Peace treaties that existed before verse 9:5 are dissolved after this four months notice. With exceptions until the agreed termination (the Damra tribe was given 9 months). That is the only meaning of not killing the mushrikeen until the sacred months have passed. It frees all obligation to all treaties. There is debate whether it meant four consecutive months or an entire year (four sacred months spread through the year), either way it ended when that ended and it has been open season ever since.
Tafsir ibn Kathir: “Existing Peace Treaties remained valid until the End of Their Term
This is an exception regulating the longest extent of time for those who have a general treaty – with out time mentioned – to four months.
They would have four months to travel the lands in search of sanctuary for themselves wherever they wish. Those whose treaty mentioned a specific limited time, then the longest it would extend was to the point of its agreed upon termination date. Hadiths in this regard preceded. So anyone who had a treaty with Allah’s Messenger it lasted until its specific termination date. However, those in this category were required to refrain from breaking the terms of the agreement with Muslims and from helping non-Muslims against Muslims. This is to the type whose peace agreement with Muslims was carried out to its end.
Mujahid, ‘Amr bin Shyu’ayb, Muhammad bin Ishaq, Qatadah As-Suddi and ‘Abdur-Rahman bin Zayd bin Aslam said that the four months mentioned in this Ayah are the four-months grace period mentioned in the earlier Ayah,
So travel freely for four months throughout the land.
Allah said next,
So when the Sacred Months have passed… meaning, “Upon the end of the four months during which We prohibited you from fighting the idolators, and which is the grace period We gave them, then fight and kill the idolators wherever you many find them…
then fight the Mushrikin wherever you find them, means, on the earth in general
“This honorable ayat was called the Ayah of the Sword…it abrogated every agreement of peace between the Prophet and any idolator, every treaty and every term. These ayat allowed fighting people unless they embrace Islam and implement its rulings and obligations…fighting the non-Muslims was prohibited in the four holy months…at the end ‘kill them wherever you find them’ means in ANY PART OF THE EARTH.”
ibrahim itace muhammed says
jack Diamond, the ignorant liar
and son of primitive liar like Abu jahl( the father of ignorance,i checked the references you copied and pasted from the works of evangelical liars ,but the tafsir of jalalayn written in Arabic never stated that it was prophet muhammad who breached the treaties he reached with pagan meccans.contrary was the case that it was pagan meccans who breached the treaties and the wars ensue up to conquest of mecca by the muslims ; as a result idols were removed from the sacred sites and monotheism established by father Abraham and his son ishmael was restored.filthy christians always support idol worshipers because both idol worship like the one practiced at mecca before Islam and mithraist christianity were inspired by the satan as deviation from monotheism taught by father Abraham,ishmael and true jesus.Eg,the Satan deceived pagan Arabs who were hitherto Hunafaa ( monotheists) to erect wooden images to be worshiped as daughters of Allah( the God of their forefathers Abraham and ishmael).filthy christians,on the other hand,were deceived by the same satan to import the doctrines of Roman paganism of mithraism in the year 325 Ad and jesus was considered as the son of God and God himself in the same way Lat,Uzza and manat,were considered by pagan Arabs as daughters of God to be worshipped as gods themselves.so,it is not suprising that mithraist christians like you jack always twist facts to support your fellow pagans.
Jack Diamond says
Tafsir Ibn Kathir, 9:5
http://www.qtafsir.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=2582&Itemid=64#1
Does he say what he says there or not, bozo?
“Then when the sacred months have passed — that is at the end of the period of deferment — slay the idolaters wherever you find them be it during a lawful period or a sacred one and take them captive and confine them to castles and forts until they have no choice except being put to death or acceptance of Islam; and lie in wait for them at every place of ambush at every route that they use kulla ‘every’ is in the accusative because a preceding genitive-taking preposition has been removed. But if they repent of unbelief and establish prayer and pay the alms then leave their way free and do not interfere with them. God is Forgiving Merciful to those who repent.
>at the end of the deferment, slay them wherever you find them, even if during a sacred period. Unless…they repent of unbelief. What was the crime? Unbelief.
—Tafsir al-Jalalayn 9:5
http://www.altafsir.com/Tafasir.asp?tMadhNo=1&tTafsirNo=74&tSoraNo=9&tAyahNo=5&tDisplay=yes&UserProfile=0&LanguageId=2
Fold it 8 ways and stick it where the moon don’t shine.
gravenimage says
Fine posts, Jack–and fine reply to egregious apologist for Muslim savagery ibrahim itace muhammed.
mortimer says
So Mr. Ibrahim two-faced mohammed,
Do you agree that Ramadan is the MONTH OF JIHAD?
What jihad are YOU committing during this holy time?
Will you be committing murders of kafirs so you can have DOUBLE the rewards… 144 Virgins instead of a mere 72 Virgins?
Jack Diamond says
What do you make of this Itface? From today’s JW postings:
The Islamist insurgency on Saturday rejected as “ignorance of religion” U.N.-led calls for halting hostilities during Ramadan to respect the religious obligation.
Hours after staging the suicide car bombing in Khost, a Taliban spokesman insisted it is fighting “jihad” (holy war) and is a religious obligation.
“Our fight is Jihad and an obligatory worship. And every obligatory act of worship has 70 times more reward in Ramadan,” a statement quoted spokesman Zabihullah Mujahid as claiming….
Mark Swan says
Thanks Jack Diamond, three good posts.
Michael says
I do like the suggestion of color coded days. Which, as I think of it, is every day with Islam.
Paul Carr says
According to the Wikipedia link you link to the month of Ramadan is the 9th month of the Islamic calendar, not the 12th month. As far as I can tell, Ramadan is not even a holy month in Islam. It’s one of the 8th months of Jihad when fighting prescribed for Muslims.
Paul Carr says
I was replying to Mark Spahn. He provided a link.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_calendar
In the link, it says that Ramadan is the 12th month of the Islamic calendar, not the 9th month like he claimed.
4 holy months of Islam are mentioned here.
http://qtafsir.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=2559
Paul Carr says
Correction: n the link, it says that Ramadan is the 9th month of the Islamic calendar, not the 12th month like he claimed.
Berengaria says
President Trump has played “Straight” with the Muslims, who have come to inhabit the USA, but he will find little appreciation from Mohammed’s Followers.
After years of Being Coddled by the Bush/Clinton/Obama Regime, they are “Upset” when a Real American President demands that Muslims respect our laws.
Ramadan or No Ramadan Message, from the WH, will change the minds of the Islamic “Immigrants” in America.
Kay says
In spite of those who claim being offended, our President’s comments make sense to me. Some are fasting . . .
and in Manchester and Egypt, some are burying their loved ones. In the Phillipines, some are praying for the release of captives.
In a like manner, an Easter message proclaiming Jesus’ resurrection and victory would have been incomplete this year if it didn’t mention those worshippers who were murdered in church.
Infidel Lass says
“I didn’t know Allah sent down Ramadan, a month of mercy, peace and blessings, to deputize American Muslims to help the U.S. fight ISIS,” Ali said, referring to the Islamic State by another name. “Here I was thinking it’s a month where Muslims reconnect with our spirit, our creator, our family and our communities and uplift ourselves through fasting, restraint, generosity and prayer.”
How to contradict yourself in one paragraph. What better time to stand up against ISIS than the time you’re supposed to show peace and kindness? You won’t stand up to them during Ramadan, you won’t the rest of the year either. And of course your beloved Allah doesn’t want you to do so at any given Time, god of war that he is. Stop trying to make quips and say what you just did in a straightforward manner: you won’t stand against ISIS.
It is time for a Western, civilian movement against ISIS, their fans and enablers. The joke ceased to be funny long ago. Time for the underground resistance movement of WW2 to get back in action.
Ed Lee says
How ’bout a mean-streets equivalent to Q-Ships?
gravenimage says
Great analysis, Infidel Lass.
Islam_Macht_Frei says
Trump is no panacea in the fight against Islam. I was struck by how he lectured the Saudis on “throw them out of your mosques….”
Does it even occur to him on any level as to how he would identify “them” (devout, motivated, activist Muslims, aka terrorists) today much less tomorrow?
Apparently not.
gravenimage says
There is a great deal Trump does not understand about Islam.
Steve Klein says
President Trump is learning all he needs to know about the religion of Islam from his resident scholar-advisers on all things Islam, Israel and the Middle East; from National Security Adviser H. R. McMaster, Secretary of State Rex Tillerson, Secretary of Defense James Mattis.
MEMRI wrote:
The month of Ramadan, the month of fasting, has a special status as the month of religious spirituality and devotion. However, in Muslim tradition it is also perceived as a month of jihad and martyrdom, a month in which Allah grants military victories to His believers. It was during Ramadan that Muslims triumphed in many of their battles, among them the battle of Badr in 624 (see “The Truth About Muhammad: Founder of the World’s Most Intolerant Religion” by Robert Spencer, chapter 7 — S.K.) between supporters of Muhammad and a merchant caravan of the Quraysh tribe; the conquest of Mecca in 630 and of Andalusia in 711; the battle of Al-Zallaqa in 1086, in which Spanish Muslims defeated the Castilians near the city of Badajoz on today’s Portuguese border, and the 1973 War (called The Ramadan War).
Given the historic religious and military significance of Ramadan, Islamist and jihadi groups, and sometimes also mainstream Arab organizations and Arab media, escalate incitement to jihad and martyrdom during this month. Messages, articles and sermons that are published on the occasion of Ramadan and explain the connection between Ramadan and jihad and often stress the following themes:
-There is a close connection between fasting and jihad, for the former is jihad of the soul, aimed at restraining it from sinning, while the second is jihad against the enemies, aimed at preventing them from spreading “corruption” in the world. Moreover, fasting is a powerful means to prepare the soul for jihad, i.e., to school oneself in obedience, devotion, resilience and endurance, which are the virtues of the jihad fighter that allow him to vanquish his enemies. On Ramadan Allah grants fighters special strength, despite – or rather by virtue of – their fasting.
-Those who gain martyrdom during the month of Ramadan are doubly rewarded in Paradise.
-During Ramadan, the Muslims are especially beholden to protect the sanctity of the Muslim holy places and keep the infidels from “desecrating” or threatening them.
The following are excerpts from a sampling of messages, articles and sermons on this topic, published across the Arab world from 2001 until today, compiled from previous MEMRI documents….
Read it here: https://www.memri.org/reports/ramadan-%E2%80%93-month-spirituality-devotion-jihad-and-martyrdom
Tom says
If you do not condemn the terrorists in your midst then you are part of the problem.
At this point, especially after the massacre of children and teens in Manchester last monday, I could care less what feelings are hurt by Trumps speech.
Muslims in the west must stand up and demand that the preachers of hate and the jihad spouting members within their community stop or get outed by the community.
If they fail to do that then, in my mind, they are just as culpable as those they protect.
Silence does not equate to being peaceful, in the case of radicals and hate mongers, it equates to collusion to commit terrorism by the community as a whole.
Blurb1000 says
You are asking pious muslims to say FO to 99% of their religion.
Will not gona happen…
Debi Brand says
Indeed, and asking of the 1% who reject the words and instructions of “Allah and His Messenger” to load up by the bus load, the 99% of the ummah–“Those who believe”–drive them into the oblivion.
And as soon as the empty bus gets back to town, be it in that town or anywhere, wherever the teaching and doctrine of Qur’an and sunna are being imbibed, thereat, being formed and forged is the new stock of mujahidun.
Vyx says
Rex Tillerson, Secretary of State, decided NOT to hold a “Ramadan Dinner” at the state department.
A small thing, but good I think.
overman says
Yes, good for him.
StacyGirl says
Yes. Who wants to break bread with the Muslim brotherhood anyway?
gravenimage says
Great to hear, Vyx.
Stan Lee says
President Trump’s message of Ramadan was well-worded and directed at the majority of Islam who strive to live and let live.
He addressed the fanaticism of that minority in Islam who are outlaws and whom he named “losers,” which is very appropriate for them.
What type of losers would surround a bus carrying peaceful Coptic Christians and open fire upon it, killing twenty-eight Egyptian Coptic Christians until any sign of life on that bus was not present? The shooters were never in danger of those Coptic Christians returning fire, they were unarmed and obviously the “losers” knew that.
How warped was such an organized notion to open celebration of Ramadan by taking twenty-eight innocent Christian lives?
mgoldberg says
How warped was such an organized notion by taking 28 innocent lives??
It’s not warped at all, but the holiest of acts according to Mohammed ibn Abdullah- the prophet of Allah.
That’s how warped it truly is….
And for the record… Last years Ramadan brought hundreds murdered. I don’t have a list, but the entire year of 2016 brought there were 2479 Islamic attacks in 59 countries, in which 21242 people were killed and 26680 injured.
Jack Diamond says
Nothing is holier in Islam than fighting in Allah’s Cause and in killing Allah’s enemies. Allah has no worse enemies than the Jews & Christians, the worst of creatures. In none of the calls to kill the disbelievers is there a distinction made regarding whether the disbelievers are armed or unarmed.
Where in Islam, do you find live and let live (peaceful co-existence, except as strategic necessity from Muslim weakness) coming from Allah and His Messenger? How does a Muslim practice and believe in “live and let live” and remain a dutiful and true Muslim?
CogitoErgoSum says
Jack,
You are right. Co-existence is not a word that goes with Islam. SUBMISSION is …..along with death, enslavement, humiliation, rape, misogyny, torture, murder, hate, terror …. and, oh yes, pedophilia elbowed its way onto the list too. Those are words that Allah loves. Co-existence is not a word that Allah loves. Co-existence with those who do not accept Islam as the one and only true religion is not part of Allah’s plan for mankind. The Quran tells me so.
kikorikid says
Islam does not come to integrate or assimilate.
Islam comes ONLY to: Conquer, Submit, Convert, or Kill.
gravenimage says
Unfortunately, Stan, Jihadists are not “outlaws” in Islam–instead, they are lauded as “Martyrs”.
The “Prophet” Muhammed himself was a violent Jihadist.
balam says
Every thing UNHOLY is HOLY in ISLAM
BLC says
“Muslims enraged because he mentioned terrorism.” No surprise here. Muslims are always enraged anyway, no matter what anyone mentions. Just try to think of a time when Muslims weren’t enraged. There is no such time. Enraged is the Muslim norm.
TL says
What’s it like to be Trumpkin who has been mugged by reality?
Voytek Gagalka says
It is a big mistake that he mentions Ramadan at all. Why should he? Ramadan applies only to Muslim and he is not Muslim, as far as I know. So why bother? If he feels himself too much constrained to say real truth about Ramadan (how it always seems to have correlated with increasing of period of violence) then it is better to say nothing. Enough we heard about “Ramadan” during Obama regime. Time to finish this PC appeasement Ramadanonsense!
Shmooviyet says
@Voytek Gagalka said, “Enough we have heard about “Ramadan” during Obama regime.”
Agreed! There are enough Ramadan reminders in the news each year. When/why did Ramadan become so important that the US president must deliver a yearly message? The “religion of peace” blather from Bush was bad enough.
Diane Harvey says
“Trump noted recent terrorist attacks in the United Kingdom and in Egypt, ‘acts of depravity that are directly contrary to the spirit of Ramadan. Such acts only steel our resolve to defeat the terrorists and their perverted ideology.’”
Trump himself and his writers are not reading THE Quran. “The,” as in definite. “Contrary to the spirit of Ramadan.” What blather. Those murderous acts are very much in keeping with the spirit of Islam and Ramadan
mortimer says
Ramadan is the MONTH OF JIHAD AND VICTORIES AND CONQUEST. So Trump’s speech writer was following someone else’s lead.
All Muslims know Ramadan is the MONTH OF JIHAD.
Debi Brand says
Indeed, D.H. Indeed.
John A. Marre says
The left is blaming Trump for the terrorist attack in Manchester, so why wouldn’t the Muslims feign anger? They will get sympathy and recognition from the left, who loves them without condition.
gravenimage says
What insanity.
Fred H says
They can’t have their cake and eat it. Since Islam produces almost all of the world’s terrorism, it just might be that Muslims will have to put up with the minor inconvenience of being lectured about it occasionally.
Alarmed Pig Farmer says
Bless our president and all his ignorances. At least he has good instincts, and a big mouth. That’s better than the slick talking former president with the middle name Hussein.
gravenimage says
Very true, APF.
duh swami says
I think the Prez knows about Islam, but does not yet understand it…Or maybe he does and this is double , triple psychological warfare..
Wellington says
I second your optimism, duh swami. Trump is a great improvement over Obummer and that speech he gave in Saudi Arabia just days ago before a shit full of Muslims, where he basically said in a diplomatic way, “Get your effing act together, soon like,” is certainly a step in the right direction, but Trump still suffers from not having enough knowledge to complement his sound instincts. Still, I see the glass half full here and not half empty (or at least a third full), especially when considering what his predecessor in the Oval Office said and did about the world’s worst religion of all time.
But Trump needs to be followed by a Reagan who will give another Evil Empire speech. This is paramount; this is necessary. No such electable politician to the highest office in the land do I know of at present who can and will do this. But we need such a person. Soon like since the giant parasite which is Islam is indeed a particularly ravenous parasite and thus America and all the West is running out of time. Islam, of course, is counting on the clock running out here. Boy, is it ever.
gravenimage says
Yes–as I’ve noted before, Trump’s instincts are good in that he recognizes Jihad as a serious threat, but there is still a great deal he does not understand about Islam. Of course this is going to cause problems.
somehistory says
He mentioned terrorism…but said a lot of rot about islum. As in *what is at its “core”.
At its core, islum is evil, rotten, putrid, demonic, satanic, scummy, beyond contemptible.
It has no virtue, no value, no good, no worthiness, no enriching of life.
islum means violence, death, blood-lust, rape, abuse, ..through and through, from its thin skin to its core….
One day, islum…core and all…will be no more. And all of the earth will breathe a sigh of great relief.
Charli Main says
Mad Mohammed of Mecca wasn’t a REAL MUSLIM because he completely misunderstood the peaceful teachings of Islam.
gravenimage says
Ha ha
Mary says
He’s all for keeping the status quo until the numbers change. Promise it’s the truth. Just like the mayor of London says, “just get use to it.”
Benedict says
“We, as American Muslims, shouldn’t be defined solely in our relationship to bad things that we have nothing to do with,” –
But the Islamic canon and the example of its belligerent prophet has a lot to do with these “bad things”. And if American Muslims can’t distance themselves decisively from these “bad things” there is something terrible wrong with their moral compass, and they should have it fixed before it fixates them on an unredeemable course.
Wellington says
Seconded, Benedict. And may I add here that a term like “American Muslim” instills in me anger, regret, contempt and scorn. Might as well describe oneself as an American Nazi, an American Marxist, an American anarchist, an American KKK member.
Yeah, might as well.
gravenimage says
Yes–there are no “American Muslims”–or “British Muslims”, or “French Muslims”, or “Swedish Muslims”.
There are just Muslims who use the West as their base of operations.
Mark Swan says
Absolutely Benedict , Wellington, and gravenimage.
Robert says
Every on is entitled to say what they think but the sad truth is Ramadan is a time of year many People all over the world DREAD and it is because of a significant increase in terrorist activities so get used to it buttercup we will speak out against terrorist.
Geoffrey Britain says
Of course they’re upset and offended, Trump’s message struck WAY TOO CLOSE TO HOME.
endislam says
Killing isis would go against their belief of ending up in paradise. Only the death of infidels would send them to paradise. Of course they’re not going to fight isis, not now, not ever.
gravenimage says
Trump says jihad attacks “contrary to spirit of Ramadan,” Muslims enraged because he mentioned terrorism
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I’m afraid President Trump knows nothing about Ramadan. Ramadan is the month of blood and Jihad.
But yes–just his daring to mention terrorism in a negative light is going to enrage many pious Muslims.
Joeyn says
I have heard Shadi Hamid being interviewed by Sam Harris in his Waking Up podcast. He is actually a Jihadist who dishonestly portrays himself as having some intellectual and unique perspective on Islam. We see his true colors in this article.
TJ says
Ibrahim Itace Muhammed’s bible lesson for this evening is Isaiah 18. Here it says, “At that time shall a gift be brought to the Lord of hosts from a people tall and polished, from a people terrible from their beginning and feared and dreaded near and far, a nation strong and victorious, whose land the rivers or great channels divide, to the place of worship of the Name of the Lord of hosts, to Mount Zion”….Obviously, America is the only country that perfectly fulfills the word of Isaiah. And, the gift being brought to Mount Zion according to verse 3 has to be a perfect and complete coordination of the remaining words of the Jewish prophets. When this happens, God has been prompted by the biblical prophets to intervene against murder. Amos 3.12 says the dreams of the Jewish prophets will play a role in getting God to intervene against murder of Jews in Samaria. Joel 2.30 exists so God can come into the world and mix the deaths of politicians with proclamations that the those killed in the womb have been raised from the dead. When our scripture is used properly by an American, the words of Amos and Joel show the offer being given to God at Mount Zion is none other than murderous islamic jihad being thrown into the abyss along with killing in the womb. At the end of our book, this is who we are and what we do. The quran deserves to be linked with killing in the womb because of your book’s unholy practice of exaggerating and concealing valued testimony before killing, Ibrahim. This is God’s gift to America, the good and the bad of it, for supporting the biblical Jews and going through this hellish relationship with you people. Thank you, and God Bless America
No Fear says
Am I supposed to feel sorry for these muslims in this news article? Like the Nazis, if someone decides to follow the lead of a gangster homicidal maniac who promises his followers that they will be better than everyone else…..then expect to be disliked as supremacists. Master race, master religion. Islam is a CHOICE, like joining the Nazi party.
Debi Brand says
“CHOICE.”
Indeed.
Demsci says
YES! And certainly it is a choice for Muslims living in Democratic Nations.
I so hope we as a society move towards holding Muslims accountable for their choice of religion. At least when it is unconditional. In the present day situation there should be sensible rational conditions placed on being a Muslim in a Democratic Nation. Like endorsing national laws and loyalties. But I realise these will be worth nothing without more monitoring of Muslims than of other citizens. Precisely because of their CHOICE for Islam.
This holding Muslims to account also finally opens the way to diminish immigration of Muslims, (while letting other immigrants in). Which according to Douglas Murray in his new book “the strange death of Europe” is very necessary by now.
gravenimage says
Very true, No Fear.
Michael says
“We, as American Muslims, shouldn’t be defined solely in our relationship to bad things that we have nothing to do with,” Hamid said. “We’re also normal people who happen to be Muslim and to see us and our history in America so narrowly is plain out offensive.”
tut tut. we’ve offended them.
All Muslims who denounce all Islamic terror, please stand up. Anyone?
All Muslims who denounce Sharia law, please stand up. Hello?
then YOU are part of the problem.
Debi Brand says
Indeed.
I’d put it this way: “We, as American Muslims, shouldn’t be defined solely in our relationship to bad things….”
Then disassociate your relationship with Islam–Islam, as the “Messenger of Allah” brought it, preached it, taught it, lived it.
Because then and only then you be honest and correct in stating, you “have nothing to do with” the way of the alleged “Prophet of Islam.”
Stan says
Nobody “happens to be Muslim”. You happened to be born where you were born, happened to have the parents you have, but at adulthood you chose to be Muslim.
gravenimage says
Spot on, Stan.
Ralph says
Actually, Ramadan sounds like a wonderful time for allied forces to go on the offensive against Muslim killers across the world. Here is hoping the the Philippine army crushes the Islamic forces in Mindanao, in would be wonderful to see these savages die hungry.
Demsci says
Read it. Don’t agree with it all, but like the way it is going. Dimple Kaul, the writer, tells us about the apologist Muslims who recite peaceful verses in the Quran et al. But says that it is more and more known that abrogation nullifies these peaceful verses. Yet deliberately omitting the abrogation principle and staying vague about “real Islam so called self evident peacefulness” is wrong, deceitful. She says that it is about the excuse of misinterpretation by hostile violent Muslims. And says:
/”Now, if even the followers cannot discern the real meaning, the misinterpretation excuse is clearly long past its expiry date”/
She goes on to say: /”Common sense and logic suggests that the message that can be interpreted only by a limited set of scholars, for more than a billion people, is bound to create havoc, especially, when allegiance to the faith is expected to trump any other allegiance, Nationality, for instance.”//
And I believe that too. There is so much that the apologists, both Muslims and political corrects people refuse to admit or even genuinely do not know about this really complex multi-interpretable ideology.
Yet implicitly they disseminate a substantially different interpretation of Quran Hadiths-Sira. In which they may use this trilogy and NOT contradict it.
BUT with their theories about misinterpretation of the trilogy by hostile violent, yet devout Muslims, they do contradict the Tafsirs, the Islamic Scholars, the Islamic schools of thought. In essential tenets anyway.
Islam is thus very complicaties and it seems prez. Trump understands only a fraction of it’s total structure. But it is time that influential people like him can point to the real structure of Islam, with not only Quran-Sira-Hadiths, but also with Tafsirs and Islamic Scholars, and why the apologists deceive us.
My point is that since I believe that religion is a choice, and since the vastly differing explanations and interpretation of Islam make it a religion that actually spawns or causes violent behavior in a huge part of it’s followers, precisely because of it’s multi-interpretability,
It should have consequences to cling to such a religion in a society so much threathened by a very widespread violent interpretation of it. This should pave the way for holding Muslims accountable and treat them like followers of Nazism and Communism in the past. Their neutrality should no longer be acceptable. And their freedom of religion no longer absolute. Alas, since Islam is their choice, discrimination should be the consequence of that choice.
Only all this should be said in a much more diplomatic way of course.
gavinwca says
Muslims and their blind idiot supporters, can not stand it when the president paints them with the truth brush. They and the media are so use to lying, deceiving and misleading, the American people they can not believe an elected official would dare put the Muslim murdering penchant in perspective. This is why we elected Donald Trump as our president, he will fight the swamp every step of the way. Even when it seams the swamp is winning he continues to put them in their place. I do not believe there is a single month when the Muslims can contain themselves from violence, just saying so does not make it true.
Paul Carr says
Isn’t it the case that Ramadan is not even a holy month in Islam? The holy months are Rajab, Dhu al Qadah, Dhu al Hijjah and Muharram.
AnneM says
WELCOME to Ramadan jihad season. Do not be surprised if jihad attacks spiked up.
UNCLE VLADDI says
Unless Trump is going by the
“Never let the enemy know your true intentions” adage, we remain doomed:
http://islamexposed.blogspot.ca/2017/05/trump-on-ramadan-not-in-my-name-chump.html
Lydia says
The bottom line is this.
They are just always going to be mad.
And they are going to act on their anger.
Any excuse will do.
You can’t appease a criminal.
You should never compromise at all to begin with.
Retreating only leads to losing.
Cretius says
It must be noted that calls for reform of Islam have been met by a rise in ultraconservative Islam (Wahhabism) and increased Islamic based terrorist attacks that often kill more Muslims than non-believers. Also the attacks against Christians and Jews are on the increase. While at the same time Muslims play the phoney race and Islamophobia cards to distract the gullible left wingers among us.
Troybeam says
Looks like Trump fell for all the BS on his tour, time to flood the White House with Islamic knowledge of truth, Sick and tired of appeasement lets start countering with the truth.