They thought wrong. Why? Because they don’t have the first foggiest clue about what motivates these people, and what their goals are. So how can they possibly evaluate who is an “immediate threat” and who isn’t? They have to discount so much evidence that someone may be an “immediate threat” because to acknowledge the importance of that evidence would be “Islamophobic,” they’re left with nothing to go on.
“Manchester suicide attacker ‘was known to security services but not thought to pose immediate threat,'” by Justin Davenport, Benedict Moore-Bridger, and Martin Bentham, Evening Standard, May 23, 2017:
The suicide bomber who killed 22 people, including children, at an Ariana Grande pop concert in Manchester was known to security services but they did not believe he posed an immediate threat, sources said today.
About 59 people were injured when the terrorist detonated an improvised explosive device in a foyer packed with fans and families at the Manchester Arena last night.
Police said the atrocity was carried out by a lone male bomber, who died at the scene. He is not included in the death toll.
Today Theresa May condemned the killer’s “warped and twisted mind”.
In Downing Street, after chairing a Cobra emergency committee, the Prime Minister said: “This attack stands out for its appalling, sickening cowardice, deliberately targeting innocent, defenceless children and young people who should have been enjoying one of the most memorable nights of their lives.”
General election campaigning has been suspended. Mrs May said police knew the identity of the attacker and were working to establish if he was acting alone or as part of a wider group.
It is thought he had been known to the security services but sources said he was not thought to be an immediate threat….
Baucent says
We’ll soon be hearing that none of the Manchester mosques have heard or seen this guy. And his brother will say he was not religious, drank alcohol and took drugs. Nothing to do with Islam.
Gustav says
Precisely.
john spielman says
YUP, the suicide / homicide bomber probably DID drink alcohol and do other things considered sinful by islam – so what, if as a result, he could never do enough ” good deeds ” to counter act his bad deeds which he has done. All he has to do is to die in battle against infidels, be it defenseless women and children, ( by bowing himself to pieces with a suicide vest ) and VIOLA he gets promptly sent to islam’s paradise – the big drunken whore house in the sky to fornicate /and drink himself into oblivion, for eternity
Jerry says
You’re probably right about that. Whatever is true about islam must be false, and whatever is false must be true. Just ask any leftist politician, the high priests of disinformation for islam.
gravenimage says
Grimly spot on, Baucent.
RichardL says
the difference between an islamic activist and an islamic terrorist is very clear – in retrospect.
Thus, islamic activism (political support for islam as in wearing islamic clothing, mosques, etc.) must be banned and those trespassing either thrown out of the country or into jail.
David Ramseur says
Warped and twisted mind is certainly accurate. But, the question for Mrs. May is: was his warped and twisted mind in accordance with Islam? Obviously it was, but I would love for her to be asked the question. And I would love for that question to be followed up with a history lesson, both antique and contemporary. I would love for the questioner to ask if Mrs. May thinks it is naïve and deluded to conclude that Islam doesn’t speak to this sort of depravity.
Benedict says
The characteristics of an “immediate threat” is that he doesn’t purport to be an immediate threat.
Frederick Middleton says
It makes sense, in light of this and all other such cases, to take those who are not ‘an immediate risk’- but presumably a risk – and put them in some form of detention.
Keys says
Frederick M-
All muslims, to my mind, are “presumably a risk” given their ideology.
Should I presume that they do not believe their ideology or that they do because they identify as muslim? The first presumption seems foolish and dangerous to me. Therefore, I am defined by others as an Islamophobe.
If a government detains those who are a presumed risk, their relatives and friends will quickly become risks.
Yes, detain cancer, if you can; but better yet, eradicate it while you can.
Bogomil says
All the evidence points to the conclusion that the incidence of terrorism in England could be drastically reduced, and even possibly reduced to nil, by deporting all Muslims from England. It’s as simple as that; yet the political establishment will not draw the obvious practical conclusion. Who is bribing them?
Michael Copeland says
The victims were “innocent”, Mrs. May?
No way.
All non-muslims – filthy kuffar – are GUILTY of not following the one true Path.
This is their punishment for disbelief.
Robert says
Ho hum, more of the same official nonsense. When will Western politicians do the hard job of studying Islam for themselves, instead of relying on secondhand knowledge delivered by experts with an agenda?
Every politician and bureaucrat should study in depth the Quran, the Hadith, and the Sira. A proper knowledge of the main doctrines and principles of Islam, BASED ON WHAT THE THREE MAIN FOUNDING DOCUMENTS ACTUALLY TEACH, should be mandatory for anyone in the West who wishes to serve as an officer in the government.
We are being creamed right now because of our ignorance; our lack of knowledge is killing us.
We don’t need politicians who base their policies on opinion or wishful thinking; we need leaders who know the facts about true Islam, and respond from a position of understanding the very real problem we face.
Islam can be defeated. People, cities, and nations — and coalitions of nations — have defeated Islam before now. But the victory was based on knowing the enemy and striking back with the full-knowledge of the enemy’s worldview and practices.
Islam wants its enemies, the kafir, to fear it. They want us to be terrified of them. Let’s surprise them. Let’s send a bit of terror their way. It begins by knowing their weaknesses, identifying the soft spots, and exploiting their vulnerabilities to the maximum.
Blurb1000 says
Bomb Mecca and the Kaaba. To melted glass.
J_not_a says
That shoulda been done on September 12, 2001.
TheBuffster says
“…the Prime Minister said: ‘This attack stands out for its appalling, sickening cowardice, deliberately targeting innocent, defenceless children and young people who should have been enjoying one of the most memorable nights of their lives.’ ”
One thing I don’t get is when someone calls an attack like this cowardly. It is many bad things, but I don’t see “cowardice” here. The guy had an evil conviction, and his aim was to do something horrible in order to make the unbelievers feel unsafe, even at a concert for young people. The message is that nobody is safe anywhere in the kaffir lands.
Mission accomplished.
Cowardice doesn’t come into it. Irrational, evil belief and evil motivation comes into it. A failure of critical and ethical thinking comes into it. But carrying out your religious beliefs even if it kills you, refusing to back down from such a religious duty – not the definition of cowardice.
Robert says
Yes, but…
It’s cowardice from a Western point of view, which has strictly prohibited combatants from targeting women and children for a very long time. In the Western doctrines of war, deliberately targeting women and children is the perfect definition of cowardly, because they are seen as civilians, and therefore, innocent noncombatants.
The idea that warriors would kill civilians has appalled Westerns for centuries. For example, in Shakespeare’s Henry V, the French army launch a sneak attack against the support troops, and slaughter everyone, including children. The response among the English is horror and disgust. The French are exposed as the poster-boys for cowardice and ignominy.
Viewing such acts in this way is 100% Western. We need to keep denouncing these jihadists as unmanly cowards.
Also, the jihadists are NOT irrational. I understand why you want to say that, but they are following a long-standing Islamic military doctrine that has been extremely successful over the centuries. Targeting innocent civilians is part of Islam’s doctrine of total war. It stems from the political doctrine known as The House of War. All non-believers, kafirs, are members of the House of War and, therefore, legitimate targets of deadly violence.
Killing women and children has been a widespread practice of jihadists from the very beginning of Islamic warfare. The history of Islamic warfare proves this fact again and again.
gravenimage says
Pious Muslims love death. I don’t think this makes them brave.
American Pragmatism says
MSNBC highlighting “home grown “white” terror” as a major threat in ISIS Manchester attack coverage. This after Khalid M. attack not long ago. They are willfully ignorant.
Bill says
They are not willfully ignorant, they are willfully supportive of Islamic terror and are doing their best to encourage it by misleading the public and covering up for it.
gravenimage says
Grotesque.
Charli Main says
“but sources said he was not thought to be an immediate threat….”
Well, that just about covers EVERY MUSLIM IN BRITAIN
Berengaria says
All Western “Civilized” Countries, that have submitted to Mass Muslim Immigration, Adhere to the False View that “NO MUSLIM IS AN IMMEDIATE THREAT” EVER. We, in the USA, can see with our own eyes that EVERY MUSLIM has a potential to be an “IMMEDIATE THREAT”, but dare voice that opinion, & watch our Political Leaders run for the Tall Grass, just like “MS. MAY in the UK”.
This story will be buried in the back pages of the Manchester Rag, very soon. UK can not afford to stand up for their own Citizens, that might be “Islamophobia”.
Paul N Silas says
It is obvious that there is a world war between The Left/Islam and people of common sense. Coming to the US soon. I would stay away from NASCAR events, Football games, Malls, and polling places in Red States.
Watch for similar attacks at Trump rallies, Christian Churches, and other political opponents of Islam and the Left.
We in the Red States will get hit the hardest.
gravenimage says
Not necessarily–Jihad terror attacks have been carried out in both Red and Blue States.
Muslims just hate Infidels.
Halal Bacon says
“you know what happened to think”
Bill says
This sounds like our FBI under Comey and his predecessor. They tell us how they had their eyes on the perp but then he slipped from view or they did not believe him to be a threat. One hears that enough and begins to wonder what side the FBI or UK intelligence services are fighting for.
One notable exception, the FBI was helping an assassination plot in Garland, TX against Ms. Geller, Mr.Spencer and Geert Wilders, but fortunately they failed at that one.
J_not_a says
Isis are such incredible hypocrites. They ostensibly bomb this concert as payback for the Western troops killing muslim children with bombs. But they themselves have absolutely no compunction when it comes to killing muslim children themselves. We’ve all seen the many news reports of Isis beheading and mutilating children, gassing them, killing them when their families try to get away from active shooting, being bolted in their homes to starve to death, the list goes on.
“WE can kill children whenever it suits our purpose, but we are outraged when kufr does it” is apparently their “don’t do as I do, do as I say”
gravenimage says
Muslims just think that the foolish Infidels will feel guilty if they say this.
somehistory says
The script is always the same: we knew about him, we had him on a watchlist, we had questioned him, he had been arrested before, yada yada.
Of course, the law is that a person cannot be arrested because they *might* commit murder, but have not committed it yet. The problem comes from the fact that all of these people are murderers going somewhere to commit and the authorities won’t acknowledge that fact. And everyone here knows the reason.
Two and two equal four. islum and its adherents equal terrorism. The murderous variety.
Politicianphobia says
ISLAN IS A WORLDWIDE PROBLEM AND ALL THE MARXISTS ARE ENABLING THEM.
Alex Tarifa says
Straight to the point: only enforced borders control, lifetime in prison for criminals involved with terrorism and massive deportation might start to mitigate this out of control situation. Will European authorities do that? Unfortunately not. So Europeans will continue to be raped, shot and exploded on daily basis by Allah followers. Now everybody will be waiting for the next tragedy. That’s just crystal clear reality.
Robert says
Agreed, with one change. For the person found guilty of terrorism, no incarceration after the trial and sentencing. He/she goes immediately to the executioner’s block. And we start conducting public executions of everyone convicted of terrorism. Very public executions. We stop with the small, private gatherings that are masked from the public eye. Everyone gets to see what happens when you try to kill innocent people through acts of terror. You get killed yourself by the state’s sword.
In the past, public executions by the state served a few primary purposes: (1) to punish the bad guy, (2) to reassure the public that the state had their backs covered, and (3) to let every other would-be terrorist know that they will be executed in disgrace, too, if they try anything stupid.
In the few places where a sovereign state still conducts executions of bad guys, the last two purposes are lost. The general public doesn’t get to see the bad guy get his comeuppance (so our faith in the state to administer justice is not fully reassured). And other bad guys don’t get to see with their own eyes what happens to terrorists.
Charles II of England had the right idea. After he came to power, he wanted everyone to know the consequence of rebellion. The king especially wanted to make an example of his old rival, Cromwell. So, he had Cromwell’s body dug up and beheaded. Cromwell’s decapitated head decorated one of the gates into London for decades, until it was a sun-bleached skull. Everyone who came through that gate was reminded that the crown had the right, the authority, and the power to take your life and leave your remains in a state of utter disgrace. After that little lesson, the dissidents were very well behaved for some time.
There’s wisdom in old justice.
Alarmed Pig Farmer says
From Lone Wolf to Known Wolf to Shown Wolf, the last shown by the Holy Ko-Ran and the Hadiths. Then ther is the Blown Wolf. No, not blown in the sexual sense but in the ordnance sense. Our newest military hero Salman was all of those in phases. Wolf wolf wolf. Woof woof woof, we are barking like dogs making a narrative for the spectacle, which has a beat, a rhythm. It seems that “racial Islamic (or Islamist) terrorism is a set of drums, with sounds coming from cymbals, snares and bass drums, depending on the mass murder venue and the number of dead Infidels. The biggest sound of all will come from Islamic WMD, and I ain’t talking modest stuff like flying commercial airliners into skyscrapers. They’re winning, we’re narrating. Kabuki theater of the absurd.
Donald R Laster Jr says
People better wake up to the fact that ALL Islamics are a threat to non-Islamics and even other Islamics. People need to learn what Islam teaches to be done to advance the Islamic theocracy and to take over the world. Like the National Socialist and Adolf Hitler said what they were going to do, the Islamics have been stating over and over what they are going to do and have been doing it for 1400 years.
Walter Sieruk says
That fiendish jihadist who murdered and harmed all those young girls who were coming out of that concert in the city of Manchester . That jihad-minded Muslim was so extremely dangerous destructive and murderous in his deluded ,deadly and irrational in his Islamic quest in his jihad for Islam that two things might need to be made clear.
First. the jihadist or jihadists attacks in Western nations be the Muslim terrorists in the city of Manchester, Stockholm, London, Brussels , Paris, Nice, Berlin ,Madrid. Those jihad-minded Muslim terrorists who engage in those vicious Islamic terror attacks cannot be and will not be reasoned with. They will not respond to either logic or reason. They aren’t interested, at all, in reason or logic. So they have to be dealt with by a strong force of might. Either by the police or the military. For to even try to reason with a jihad-minded Muslim terrorist is just as much an act of futility as trying to teach algebra to a rabbit.
Second , that Muslim/ jihadist in this delusional and wicked and insane Islamic cause and actions was literally dangerous to self and others. .Such are some of the fruits of Islam. He was so evil and insane that is as one of those described in the Bible .Which reads “The hearts of men are full of evil and there is madness in their hearts while they live, and afterwards they join the dead.” Ecclesiastes 9:3. [N.I..V.]
gravenimage says
UK: Manchester jihad mass murderer known to authorities but “not thought to pose immediate threat”
……………………
How many more pious Muslims are there like this in Britain now? How many more are continuing to flood into the country?
Carolyne says
2,000 every day. Sneaking across the Channel.
Matthieu Baudin says
It’s a loose type of ‘home monitoring’ that is expected to protect the population from known violent Jihad sympathisers. It is possible to do more. In Morocco known Jihadists returning to their country are met at the airport by police and taken straight to prison for an indefinite stay.
Peter says
Guess the jihadist only posed a split second threat. The U.K. establishment must be in serious need of new watches!
Graham says
I think that I speak for most people in the UK when I say that I never watch the programme ‘UK Customs’. I do however enjoy the Australian version ‘Nothing to Declare’. The Austrlian programme shows potential terrorists being turned away from their borders while the UK shows them being welcomed in and tells them in detail how they can stay if they have entered illegally!!
It is again the incredibly incompetent British border control/government regulations that are, in part, responsible for these murders.
Until we get a political leader in power who realises the real threat to the UK and Europe is islam, and does away with all the PC nonsense, we will continue to have these attacks on freedom.
#WhoDoWeVoteFor?
Carolyne says
It is the same in the US. Every time there is a terrorist attack, the FBI says they had him on their “Radar” but didn’t think he was dangerous. The same with Orlando, the same with San Bernardino, the same with Boston, etc. etc. etc. I wonder what the FBI actually does other than harass innocent people and write memos to each other.