His friends described Salman Abedi as a “devout” Muslim. He had memorized the entire Qur’an. But the imam Andy Burnham, mayor of Manchester, says he was not a Muslim. On what grounds? On the grounds that he committed jihad mass murderer, and as everyone knows, Islam is a Religion of Peace. Any Muslim who commits an act of violent jihad becomes, simply by virtue of doing so, not a Muslim. Islam is thus always preserved as good and benign, no matter what crimes are committed in its name, and politicians such as Andy Burnham are free of any responsibility to understand the motives and goals of those who have vowed to destroy us. See how it works?
“Manchester Mayor: Bomber Was A Terrorist, Not A Muslim,” LBC, May 24, 2017:
Manchester Mayor Andy Burnham says the bomber who killed 22 people was a terrorist, not a Muslim….
But the Mayor of Manchester insisted that this man was a terrorist who had noting to do with Islam.
Speaking to Nick Ferrari on LBC, he said…
“The message that I would want to get over – and this is how the vast majority of people feel – this man was a terrorist, not a Muslim.
“He does not represent the Muslim community. We’ve got to keep that distinction in mind all the time. This was an unspeakable act.
“The worst thing that can happen is that people use this to blame an entire community, the Muslim community.
“In my view, the man who committed this atrocity no more represents the Muslim community than the individual who murdered my friend Jo Cox represents the white, Christian community.”
PRCS says
It is clowns like this POTUS should call “losers”.
Santa Voorhees says
He should call them pussies. Because that is what they are. Pussies.
Thank God we didn’t have leaders like this when Islam first poured into Europe in the 8th century.
Rod Drown says
No, in fact we had the Christian Byzantine Empire which shielded Europe from the Muslims for centuries.
Jayell says
I notice that he took off his rose-tinted spectacles for the picture.
tedh754@gmail.com says
Statements like his are as predictable as the sunrise. Typical politician blather.
RichardL says
I think Anchem Burnham is a takfiri salafi.
gravenimage says
Probably not–more likely just another dhimmi fool.
Buford says
Obviously that mayor is a liberal always an excuse Lone Wolf, Mentally Deranged, but they are never Muslim This S O B was a Muslim ISIS Terrorist His Brother is one his Father was one I do not know what planet that Mayor is living on but he is nuts.
PRCS says
Note that Quinn Williams posted this at LBC:
“Just so happens, this person follows the extreme version of Islam.”
Oh, my.
Frederick Middleton says
Translation: I need Muslim votes, Labour needs Muslim votes.
Anne Smith says
Oh how true, Mr Middleton. Nail on the head. Well said.
Manny says
I’m sick of this political correctness. I’m sick of this surrender.
miriamrove says
As most of you by now know that I was born and raised in Iran. I talk to sister back there on a daily basis. I was talking to her yesterday and this subject came. I puked my lunch.. Why you ask? My sister: They are not real Muslims. real Muslims do not commit these kind of crimes and this is same thing this PC/DB is saying to white wash Jihad/Jihdists/ and their evil Ideology called Islam. m
WESTPAC Spy says
Under what religious authority do you exercise the power of takfir? Takfir being of course the Islamic version of excommunication. Your Shia religious authorities not only don’t declare the members of groups like Hezbollah, a Shia organization that most definitely does commit these crimes as any Jew in Argentina can tell you, but they pay them to do it and provide them the weaponry to do it. In 2011 the U.S. disrupted an Iranian government plot to kill the Saudi Ambassador in Washington D.C. It involved a naturalized U.S. citizen and an Iran based member of the Iranian Revolutionary Guard Corp. Not only did they want to kill the Saudi Ambassador, they wanted to set the bomb off in a crowded restaurant to kill as many Americans as possible.
What the hell are you talking about, “not real Muslims.”
And on the Sunni side of the street, President al Sissi of Egypt has been pressing the clerics at Al Azhar University to declare all members of the Islamic State, who do commit these crimes, un Islamic. Yet they won’t.
Until the Shia and Sunni religious authorities declare these kinds of Muslims “not real Muslims” instead of encouraging the behavior the words of some online Mullah or Imam Burnham are a disgustingly bad joke.
BlueRaven says
Did you read his comment? Don’t think you did. He stated his sister in Iran believes this kind of crap – he stated he nearly puked. He is a long standing poster here on JW. His views are very similar to the most of us, anti-Jihad…
WESTPAC Spy says
I reread his comment. I apologized in ten minutes. What more do you want?
gravenimage says
WESTPAC, miriamrove is an apostate from Islam and a brave Anti-Jihadist. He was talking about his sister, *not* himself.
WESTPAC Spy says
Or were you just passing along what your sister in Iran was telling you, not agreeing with it? If that’s the case I apologize for the tone of my reply but not the content. I’m sick and tired of boneheaded Western politicians who don’t know a damn thing about Islam declaring who and what is truly Islamic and who and what is not.
Ignoring the fact that actual Islamic authorities have done the opposite.
Keys says
Yes, WESTPAC SPY, good to apologize. miriamrove is a firmly anti-Jihad poster on JW.
Liked your “on the Sunni side of the street” phrasing.
Especially, since there’s no fun or sun in Islam.
*************
The Sunni come out tomorrow…
Tomorrow, tomorrow, I love ya
You’re always a bomb away!
WESTPAC Spy says
I am a new comer so I don’t know who is who but after I submitted my first comment I realized I could be being unfair. And that’s the last thing I want.
Jack Diamond says
There is never any wrongdoing having to do with Islam. Islam must be exonerated from any blame ever, publicly or privately. The terrorist is not a Muslim, probably a Zionist making Islam look bad, or whatever lie is convenient, since lying to protect Islam is a given. Even lying to yourself.
I remember long ago going around and around with a Muslim about bin Laden and al Qaeda not being Muslims (the “Khawarij” crap they now use to similarly call ISIS traitors to Islam) and their attacks not Islamic jihad.
After proving otherwise sufficiently they gave in, disagreeing with al Qaeda’s methods but justifying the jihad because of all the attacks on Muslims, the war on Islam. Finally, they showed their true colors and praised bin Laden defiantly to me.
Steven RSA says
If the creature referred to was not a muslim terrorist, and only a common or garden variety terrorist, on behalf of what cause did he commit this act of terror?
Bill W. says
He was a soccer fan soccer made him do it?!
Halal Bacon says
“feel” vs “facts” typical leftist bait and switch
Santa Voorhees says
If the bomber was a christian, the Manchester mayor would call him a christian (or a christian extremists), even if he did not memorized the entire Bible or didn’t go to church every Sunday.
trish says
They tried to make out the Westminster killer was a Christian as well. No evidence whatsoever he had any Christian affiliation before his conversion to Islam. Just a blanket lumping of all non Muslims as Crusaders, just as Osama Bin Laden did..
Infidel lives matter says
Like all establishment politicians, this scumbag is just following the politically correct playbook. Theodore Dalrymple has the best explanation of political correctness that I’ve seen. This is what we’re up against:
Political correctness is communist propaganda writ small. In my study of communist societies, I came to the conclusion that the purpose of communist propaganda was not to persuade or convince, nor to inform, but to humiliate; and therefore, the less it corresponded to reality the better. When people are forced to remain silent when they are being told the most obvious lies, or even worse when they are forced to repeat the lies themselves, they lose once and for all their sense of probity. To assent to obvious lies is to co-operate with evil, and in some small way to become evil oneself. One’s standing to resist anything is thus eroded, and even destroyed. A society of emasculated liars is easy to control. I think if you examine political correctness, it has the same effect and is intended to.
Anne Smith says
Theodore Dalrymple is a brilliant writer and has done some excellent work for the Spectator and other papers. Unfortunately his brand of cool common sense, which used to be the hallmark of the British, has more or less disappeared.
The state schools are producing a brainwashed generation who cannot speak or think properly but just squeak and shout, jump around excitedly and exhibit a form of sentimental hogwash over any and everything.
The nauseating candlelit vigils and soppy drivelling poetry readings are being used to fill the void which our so called “leaders” should be filling with cold, hard and well thought out planning to defeat this fifth column in our midst.
Steven RSA says
When will the next Churchill arise to again save England from subjugation? I still think he (or she) exists.
marblenecltr says
QE II welcomes enemies into her country and does not protect her people. QE I, August 9, 1588, “Let the tyrants fear, I have always so behaved myself, that under God I have placed my chiefest strength and safeguard in the loyal hearts and goodwill of my subjects … I am come amongst you … resolved, in the midst of battle, to live or die amongst you all – to lay down my life for my God, and for my kingdom, and for my people, my honor and my blood even in the dust. I know I have the body of a weak and feeble woman; but I have the heart and stomach of a king — and of a king of England, too, and think foul scorn that Parma or Spain, or any prince of Europe, should dared to invade the borders of my realm … By … your valour in the field, we shall shortly have a famous victory over the enemies of my God, of my kingdom, and of my people.”
ByGeorge says
It is really stupid leaders like the Mayor of Manchester, who perpetrates the myth that Islam is a religion of peace. These people have obviously not read the pages of the Koran and therefore are unacquainted with the Islamic truths revealed therein. These idiots deny the undeniable and will throw anyone in jail who disagrees with their assessment.
Islam is the enemy of Britain, Europe and America. At some point the Brits have got to fight back and damage some muslims, just for the fun of it if nothing else, but certainly to deliever the message they’re not going to take it any more. This incessent killing of non muslims, because Allah say’s it’s okay, has got to stop
How to do that? Drive them out. That’s how.
Eur says
Don’t forget Australia,south America….
Anne Smith says
The Mayor of Manchester is a ridiculous pipsqueak who used to be an unsuccessful Labour MP. He has applied for every job for which there was a vacancy, even aspiring to be leader of the Labour Party. His vacuous outpourings on the BBC Question Time programme were so feeble that even his own Labour Party chums were embarrassed.
Finally he managed to get himself selected as Labour candidate for Mayor of Manchester and was voted in because he stood for Labour, not because he had any special qualifications or charisma.
I don’t expect he imagined in his wildest dreams that this bombing would happen in short order and he will probably be struggling to cope.
IQ al Rassooli says
I sincerely hope that one day Andy Burnham will have an arm or a leg blown off (accidentally of course) by a “Not Muslim” terrorist
Maybe, just maybe, he will then understand the suffering of the families who had their loved ones decapitated by the “Not Muslim” Muslim terrorist
By the way, I wish this to happen to anyone who deliberately DECEIVES the British public in this despicable manner
IQ al Rassooli
Kafir & Proud!
Jaladhi says
He was a Muslim terrorist. Period.
goran wrambeck says
Oh my God… had to crawl down on my knees to pick up my ears that fell off. Being a Swede watching all these idiots like Merkel, Marcon, May – our low IQ 97 PM stefan lofven – londoners voting in Sadiq Khan a muslim mayor for london. Now this stupid idiot mayor Andy Burnham – also a mayor but in Manchester… Saying that this Muslim was not a Muslim as he committed a terrorist attac…
Just think what would have happened if this criminal Hilary Clinton became president. Even if I am a liberal I would vote for Trump as I am sure lots of others also did…
In some way we need to stop all these snowflakes as they will ruin our societies…
TJ says
I don’t think Robert Spencer should have to pay taxes since he is revealing the truth about the incitement to murder in the quran.
Richard says
The “No true Scotsman” fallacy being trotted out yet again. This politician would fail a first year course in logic.
Voytek Gagalka says
Who is that “mayor” to decide who is Muslim and who is not? Is he a Muslim himself? To become one it is sufficient to recite shahada three times in front of imam, and that’s it. If that terrorist did just that, he is Mohammedan and no opinion of Manchester mayor can alter that! If even grand imam of Al-Azhar can’t condemn ISIS as “un-Islamic” because they have shahada engraved on their black flag, mayor Burnham is just NOBODY.
simpleton1 says
Last year, shadow home secretary Andy Burnham, Labour’s candidate for Mayor of Greater Manchester, and they voted him in, most likely with a large muslim block vote.
That mayor Andrew Burnham knew what side his votes to power were buttered on.
simpleton1 says
MEND goes much further to influence and control the mayor of Manchester.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/general-election-2015/11515630/Muslim-group-with-links-to-extremists-boasts-of-influencing-election.html
Well worth a read to see the corruption they are trying to do and the evilness of some of those characters, that support that Mayor Andrew Burnham and other high politicians that are also stained.
simpleton1 says
From my above link
Now to a link of further evilness Cage http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/terrorism-in-the-uk/11442602/Cage-the-extremists-peddling-lies-to-British-Muslims-to-turn-them-into-supporters-of-terror.html
Well worth a read to see the connecting hold and control being exerted in Britain.
gravenimage says
Thanks for the links.
CogitoErgoSum says
Isn’t it amazing how so much of the Quran and the life and sayings of Muhammad can be used by these terrorists to justify what they are doing when actually those things have NOTHING to do with Islam? It is simply incredible and the horrendous acts being committed by this surprising outbreak of ‘fake Muslims” is just impossible to figure out ……….. if you are an IDIOT!
Thomas says
Make a deal with the devil; and you will get burned!
Debi Brand says
Just as skin and muscle each have their respective uniqueness and purpose, so it is with the Muslim and the believer.
In the words of the men of knowledge in Islam, “Every believer is a Muslim. However, not every Muslim is a believer.” (Taymiyyah, Kitab Al-Iman, P. 20; so too, Islam Exposed: “verily I see him a believer. The Messenger of Allah (SAW) [said]; (Nay, not so) but a Muslim.”)
And, much like the skin covers, conceals, and protects the muscle, so it is with the Muslim ummah providing safekeeping, nourishment, protection and comfort for the believer.
Additionally, as is so with skin and muscle, though one may, in some instances, see beneath the skin the shape and development of respective muscle; unless by forceful effort or deliberate intent the muscle is exposed, it remains hidden and safeguarded by the skin of the body.
So it is with the believer: he/she, unless exposed by force–oftentimes, that force explosive– he/she remains covered, safeguarded and ensconced within the body of Muhammad’s Ummah, the body of Muslims. And if healthy, when called upon, that muscle delivers.
Hence the need for that body of Muslims, albeit, many in it, knowingly, less than believers.
Debi Brand says
http://islamexposed.blogspot.com/2015/12/verily-i-see-him-believer-messenger-of.html
le mouron rouge says
Mr. Burnham is a typical “useful idiot” one who clearly has been cut out of the post-modern progressive mold. Sadly, we are going to experience more people like him as the situation with Islam only gets worse all over the world.
As George Orwell (1903-1950) noted, “some ideas are so stupid that only intellectuals believe them.”
“To argue with a person who has denounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead.”
– Thomas Paine (1737-1809)
Debi Brand says
Excellent citations there, lmr.
marblenecltr says
And the British think that Americans stupid! Going by what must be their intelligence scale, they are far below stupid. On one to ten scale with one stupid, they are at least a minus five.
Santa Voorhees says
Whatever their scale is, it does not deserve to be called *intelligence* scale. Enough said.
Georg says
“Andy Burnham, mayor of Manchester, says he was not a Muslim. On what grounds?”
On the grounds he has made Burnham’s and the liberal narrative impossible. Anything but argumentation is fast becoming the liberal M.O.
Ali Bey says
He was a Qoranic terrorist.
JawsV says
“Devout” Muslims are the ones most likely to perpetrate Jihad. The mayor is an idiot and should be forced to resign.
simpleton1 says
Mayoral Candidate Andrew Burnham “There’s a lot of people in this country not necessarily at risk from ‘Islamic extremism’ but it’s far-right extremism.”
comment and links above on my earlier comments showing the connections to extreme islam networks,
Another useful idiot elected at the beginning of this month. 5th May 2017.
Benedict says
Allah’s Apostle said, “I have been sent with the shortest expressions bearing the widest meanings, and I have been made victorious with terror (cast in the hearts of the enemy), and while I was sleeping, the keys of the treasures of the world were brought to me and put in my hand.” Abu Huraira added: Allah’s Apostle has left the world and now you, people, are bringing out those treasures (i.e. the Prophet did not benefit by them). – Bukhari
Can Andy Burnham provide an exegesis extracting a peaceful message from these diabolical words that all faithful and greedy and grabbing Muslims subscribe to —?
The very words “while I was sleeping, the keys of the treasures of the world were brought to me and put in my hand” echo the words from Luke 4:
“And the devil, taking him up into an high mountain, shewed unto him all the kingdoms of the world in a moment of time. And the devil said unto him, All this power will I give thee, and the glory of them: for that is delivered unto me; and to whomsoever I will I give it.”
And the divine answer given shows by contrast the difference between Islam and Christianity.
Islam has been found out: it is the invention of the Devil, alias Allah himself, promulgated by his latter-day parrots and puppets.
This truth the Mayor of Manchester can’t – because he won’t – fathom due to his wishful thinking.
Debi Brand says
“ ‘the keys of the treasures of the world were brought to me and put in my hand” echo the words from Luke 4:
“’And the devil, taking him up into an high mountain, shewed unto him all the kingdoms of the world in a moment of time. And the devil said unto him, All this power will I give thee, and the glory of them: for that is delivered unto me; and to whomsoever I will I give it.’
“And the divine answer given shows by contrast the difference between Islam and Christianity.”
Well stated, B.
As I spoke briefly to in the following:
Oh, for a leader with the courage to deal fact based with the Islam problem our world suffers from.
Oh, for one who would call for all in the Ummah to declare their agreement with that in those texts or to declare their apostasy to that faith system.
Ace-of-Clubs says
Andy Burnham is Labour, so expect nothing but PC waffle and apology for Islam and nothing to defend white British people. Labour party has been hijacked by Muslims in many UK towns. Labour Muslim councillors were amongst those turning a blind eye to the appalling industrial-scale abuse and rape of white girls perpetrated by Muslim men in towns such as Rotherham, Rochdale, Derby and Luton. Amazingly, the voters in some of these places are so dumb they still voted Labour in 2015 ! Incredible. Andy Burnham and those like him are more concerned about so-called Islamophobia than they are the massacre of children and young people enjoying a pop concert in manchester. This liberal thinking dominates the BBC, some other newspapers, education, social services and the NHS. There are people out there who speak and write against it eg Melanie Phillips, Leo McKInstry, Tommy Robinson, but we lack politicians who are prepared to defend Christian values. The future for UK and Europe doesn’t look great.
Benedict says
Don’t forget Paul Weston: https://youtu.be/hnKXpeBq_ts
gravenimage says
Bravo Paul Weston!
DRHazard says
So a terrorist can’t be a Muslim? Muhammad had a different opinion:
Sahih Bukhari (52:220) – Allah’s Apostle said… ‘I have been made victorious with terror’
John A. Marre says
This man obviously has a deep, abiding love in his heart for Muslims, and cannot find it within his soul to blame their ideology for being the motivating force behind the murders in Manchester.
I hope that his happy delusion comes to an end while he is still mayor, and that the message is driven home very clearly to him by a member of the ideological group that he is in love with.
R Russell says
Can I suggest that everyone who has read this article email Andy Burnham and request he reads the Koran and the Hadiths online in English. Inform him of the Law of Abrogation so he just doesn’t read the start of the Koran before it changes into a violent book
Santa Voorhees says
He will ignore the emails. And even after he read the Koran, the whole of it, and the hadiths etc. he will say that it is not in arabic (because they think that in arabic would change significantly from english) or it is out of context.
simpleton1 says
Good point.
Chronologically and as you said to note the abrogation verses that nullify the earlier verses.
Even at his office maybe some else may be curious enough to read it.
And make sure that we can question the points of the koran to others.
The End says
Islam comes in lying deception, to kill unbelievers, steal their property, and destroy their history.
Anyone not blind and deaf to truth because of an evil heart, can plainly see this…
Raja says
Well, Andy meant that he was not a Muslim though he was Muslim terrorist ? Why he is so unabashedly apologist for Islam? Why is Islam so sacrosanct in the eyes of immoral leftists? Is it because both Islam and Left are equally immoral and thuggish? What is so exotic or holy about multi-culturism?
It seems any system that is not natural (and God given) are doomed to fail. You may prop up MC and PC by encouraging Islam’s supremacist ideology (which has not to do with God, but everything to do with evil and Satan) but they are sure to fail. They are just against nature, human freedom and liberty.
Unfortunate ,so many stupid things are happening in a so called Christian nation.
le mouron rouge says
Raja says,
Unfortunate ,so many stupid things are happening in a so called Christian nation.
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The U.K., as with most of Europe, ceased being Christian some time ago. The natural result of that shift from Christianity to secular Humanism is exactly what is taking place throughout the U.K. and Europe.
They are simply self destructing and will continue to do so. An example of Europe’s downward spiral is clearly demonstrated by the Gotthard Tunnel opening ceremony and the obvious and blatant demonic symbolism and worship. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zW5gklIKcDg.
“Thus says the LORD: “Cursed is the man who trusts in man and makes flesh his strength, whose heart turns away from the LORD.”
– Jeremiah 17:5 (ESV)
traci94 says
I would love to smack that smile right off his face. How hard is it to learn about Islam?? The guy who committed this atrocity is (or was, did he die?) a Muslim in the truest sense of the word. Can’t this dips*!t make a connection? Why is it that every person who commits something like this just HAPPENS to have a Muslim name like Muhammad or Salman or whatever?? Also, I’m sick of hearing about “radical Islam”. I read a columnist recently who said Islam is radical, period (or something like that). Just plain ol’ regular Islam is radical, it IS extreme. People who do what this guy did ARE practicing Islam. I think the “moderates” are the ones who do not practice it fully.
le mouron rouge says
traci94 says
“I would love to smack that smile right off his face.”
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Nice thought.
However, on closer inspection, he appears to be someone who would enjoy being dominated and smacked around.
“There is no act of treachery or meanness of which a political party is not capable; for in politics there is no honour.”
– Benjamin Disraeli (1804-1881)
Karina says
Liberal people always deny reality…especially when it’s inconvenient.
To do so with Muslims/Islam is deadly and harmful.
I notice this tendency with less deadly issues as well.
I recently criticized the feminist Caitlyn Moran about something stupid that she said, and a liberal acquaintance just told me ‘She’s not a feminist’.
So, I’m not surprised that liberals want to deny that he is a Muslim.
le mouron rouge says
Karina says
“Liberal people always deny reality…especially when it’s inconvenient.”
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For the left in this country and worldwide, reality and the truth are “always” inconvenient. The left prefers shifting sands vs a foundation built on bedrock, this allows the progressives to shape and mold the narrative as it befits their current agenda.
The foundation of the United States of America is the Constitution of the United States of America, which was built on the bedrock of Judeo-Christian principles found in the Bible. Hence, the constant and increasing attack on the Bible and in this country the Constitution.
It appears that John Lennon, through his song “Imagine.” was a “useful idiot” for the Worldwide Left/Progressives as he clearly proclaimed their end game.
Imagine there’s no heaven
It’s easy if you try
No hell below us
Above us only sky
Imagine all the people
Living for today… Aha-ah…
Imagine there’s no countries
It isn’t hard to do
Nothing to kill or die for
And no religion, too
Imagine all the people
Living life in peace… You…
You may say I’m a dreamer
But I’m not the only one
I hope someday you’ll join us
And the world will be as one
An so it is coming to pass, slowly and methodically, as the Left/Progressives infiltrate every institution, especially at leadership levels and shape and mold the future according to their Worldview.
“We have staked the whole future of American civilization not upon the power of government, far from it. We have staked the future of all our political institutions upon the capacity of mankind for self-government, upon the capacity of each and all of us to govern ourselves, to control ourselves, to sustain ourselves according to the Ten Commandments.”
– James Madison (1751-1836)
gravenimage says
I’ve always hated that witless Lennon song.
Joe says
This mayor should be executed. Because he supports the enemy and carries responsibility for 22 deaths and 80+ injuries.
Berengaria says
The Mayor knows that he bears the Responsibility for the death of British Adults & Children, but I don’t believe that he cares at all.
A Mayor traditionally is the conduit that the Muslims use to enter into the City Government. The Mayors receive slavish attention from the Muslim Mob & usually reciprocate with a GOV HANDOUT to the Muslim Community.
NO SIR, this Mayor is Proud as Punch of his conduct & will defend his Muslim Constituents, THEY VOTE!!!
tgusa says
He has his opinion and I have mine. The mayor of Manchester is not what I consider a human being.
Lou says
”Australia’s first female Muslim MP says terrorists see non-believers as cockroaches and admits there is a link between terrorism and Islam.”
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4541464/Muslim-MP-says-terrorists-non-believers-cockroaches.html#ixzz4i9lUCkqE
Xero_G says
Andy Burnham makes the all too common fallacy of equating Islamic terrorists with “Christian terrorists” such as the one who killed his sister. Can’t wait now for Dylan Roof and/or Timothy McVeigh to be brought up also. But these so called “Christian” terrorists:
1) Do not cite verses in the Bible for explanation, motivation and justification for their acts.
2) Are not hailed by their church as heroes but are rejected.
3) There are not armies of Timothy McVeighs worldwide, perpetrating mass killings nearly every day.
Laura says
I didn’t realise that Burnham was an islam expert. I also didn’t know that muslims who have spent their entire lives memorising the Quran, living every moment of their lives according to the teachings of islamic scripture, who then go on to kill non-muslims, in accordance with the Quranic exhortations to ‘kill the unbelievers, wherever you find them’ are actually NOT muslims at all!
Mullah Burnham must be a very wise man indeed.
johnnybigtime says
Laura;-
Well said Laura.
Andy Burnham is another ‘Godless’ brain dead quisling; the enemy within. The political class is full of such people.
James says
The Imam Burnham Effendi is as much of an expert on the Koran as that illustrious scholar the Imam Tony al Bliar.
http://edition.cnn.com/2015/10/06/world/isis-extremism-religion/
It's always the Amish says
Don’t tell me – was he Amish or Quaker?
Amish – right?
It’s always the Amish. / sarc
gravenimage says
+1
Dave de la Rond says
Of course the Moron Mayor of Manchester will say the Muslim devil who killed little boys and girls have nothing to do with Islam.Thats because he got 99% of the Muslim voted for this Hamas living Jerk
Aussie Infidel says
Manchester Mayor Andy Burnham says the bomber “was a terrorist, not a Muslim” and “The worst thing that can happen is that people use this to blame an entire community, the Muslim community.”
Burnham is obviously an apologist for Islam who believes the propaganda that Islam is “a religion of peace.” Worse than any blame that might be attributed to the Muslim community, are the 22 innocent young people who are now dead. But as usual, these jihadis rarely act alone, and already other associates have been identified.
We are not blaming the entire Muslim community for the actions of a few deeply indoctrinated psychopaths. BUT WE ARE BLAMING THEIR CRIMINAL IDEOLOGY. THE TENETS OF ISLAM – AS IT IS WRITTEN IN THE QURAN, THE HADITH AND THE SHARIA – IS WHAT INCITES THESE ATROCITIES.
Burnham needs to educate himself more about this pernicious ideology. He could start by reading Quran verses 2:190-193, 2:216, 3:157-158, 4:74, 4:95, 8:24, 8:39, 8:60, 9:5, 9:14-15, 9:29, 9:123 – and he will find plenty more examples in both the Quran and the Hadith.
Debi Brand says
“… WE ARE BLAMING THEIR CRIMINAL IDEOLOGY. THE TENETS OF ISLAM – AS IT IS WRITTEN IN THE QURAN, THE HADITH AND THE SHARIA – IS WHAT INCITES THESE ATROCITIES.”
Amen, Aussie-I. Well stated.
Kay says
And so it goes. Pass around the blindfolds again. Meanwhile I read that more Copts were murdered in Egypt.
His argument hangs on the fallacy that all religions are equal. Sadly such ridiculous equivalencies get listened to. Had a Christian committed such an atrocity, one could say that one wasn’t Christian because he wasn’t following Christian teaching.
Santa Voorhees says
“His argument hangs on the fallacy that all religions are equal”
That is sadly true. Too many people believe that.
A friend of mine, who is 42 years old, believed it as well. He told me that no religion is violent, and no God teaches to kill.
However, I showed him the verses of the Quran (and I am only 19 year old, just saying) that incite violence against unbelievers, and he later slowly accepted the ugly truth, that Islam has doctrines of violence.
Debi Brand says
“His argument hangs on the fallacy that all religions are equal.”
Indeed, Kay.
That is the plug, my Friend–speaking on behalf of fools for Islam here, as though one of them–we best figure how to swallow. Because, such is the paramount message, the plug pushed and force-fed to us in our “war on terror,” as you have already clearly accurately noted.
Hence Trump’s times of late in speaking of Islam as one among the three of the world’s three great faiths/religions.
Hence his first three visit–all points, in essence, “Holy land.” Equal.
henner720 says
well, he can say that. his not muslim. muslims cant say that without fear. Muslim go against Allah muhound and quran, that isis live by!?. there is common denominator in there harsh and suppresed childhood upbringing, programmed to tolerate violence as strenght., that lead to a certain personallity as grown up, where you are compelled to seek other muslims as compagny in secluded echo chambers to feel at ease, they fire up easy, they are overly emotional. All well suitet to promote islam.
islam system is perfectet. strategists are aware, that like when you posses a well hung reproductionobject, that is left relatively unchallenged as that would be gayish and awkward to challenge. The muslim paradox that pretending pius persons are vial massmurderes are left releatively unchallenged, in that people in positions in jobs cant say it, risk there job, risk there friendshiops etc.etc. The loosers in western societyes can talk this concern all they want they have the freedom,-they can enjoy that freedam the richest nabour cant afford – but they are not regarded. The arab evil strategist are laughing ,,,,, still.. but…. on day wwhen it all gets to much, the untold frustration in people will be catastrophic to muslims.We white people europeans will make camps for mass destruction as we use to. What about instead thisa time we talk honest about things?. is better for us is better for muslims.take stands leftist, and dont affraid to loose friends and jobs.
Charles M says
This so called mayor needs to be carted off to a padded cell, since the concept of reality seemingly is evading him. In the USA 2 physicians are needed to sign off on a persons (in)competence………..in the UK obviously it appears to be a bit more difficult.
BlueRaven says
Mister Mayor of Manchester City, your are a sick puppy. You are lucky it was not one of your child who dies. A Islamic terrorist sacrifies his life for ISLAM. The whole purpose of Jihad is to sacrifies for Islam. You cannot get to be a more Moslum than a Jihadi. That is the peak of peaks as a Muslim.
You are so so damn sick in your comfort zone, you don’t want to see the problem because you don’t want to solve it. Solveing this problem will bring you out of the perimeters of your comfort zone. You are disgrace to the children and anyone else who suffered so much in this Islamic terrorist attack. You are sick in the head Mister Mayor.
Mary says
He opened his mouth and confirmed that he is an idiot.
Warren says
This fool is incouraging more Jihad by saying the killer was not a Muslim. The guy knew the Koran inside out yet he’s not a Muslim. He was a true Muslims, he was just following his book of immortality the Koran. The Koran is their constitution and Muhammad is their so called prophet. So yes he was a Muslim and there will be more killings because of left wing loons like this guy. He is supporting fascist Islam.
gravenimage says
UK: Manchester mayor Andy Burnham says jihad mass murderer was “not a Muslim”
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How many times have we heard *this* crap?
More:
“The worst thing that can happen is that people use this to blame an entire community, the Muslim community.
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Isn’t the worst thing that can happen is that Muslims will murder more children there? I guess Andy Burnham doesn’t think so…
dumbledoresarmy says
From the article – “…“The worst thing that can happen is that people use this to blame an entire community, the Muslim community….”.
Hm.
People giving suspicious looks to Muslims in the street, people ‘blaming Muslims’ for violence that is carried out by … Muslims enacting the clearly-stated goals of the cult, as set out in the canonical Islamic texts, is… *worse* than a Muslim human bomb detonating himself right next to a crowd of little girls and their kin and blowing them to bits??
Did anybody else, reading the Mayor’s words, catch an echo of the Quranic line – “Persecution [= *any* kind of opposition the Infidels may put up against islamisation] is worse than slaughter” (that is, than Muslim slaughter of said uppity Islamoresistant Infidels)?
Sarah says
Remember the name of Andy Burnham. Remember his smug, laughing face.
We’ll need that, when we throw him, along with all the others in the docks, for the war crimes trials that will come eventually.
He is a Quisling. A traitor to us. He is beckoning for our destruction and laughing all the way.