That was an encouraging sign, but then he started praising Saudi Arabia’s tolerance and affirmation of women’s rights.
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underbed catsays
Awesome… I am shocked. I pray he makes it home.
underbed catsays
Awesome… I am shocked.
Terrysays
My view- whatever Trump says, SOMEONE, WILL BE CRITICAL OF IT- either the lefties or his supporters.
if he said the weather is nice, there will be criticism because someone wants it to rain.
Mark Berlingersays
Islamoclueless?
Or, is President Trump trying to embarrass the Saudis into stop funding supremacism worldwide by pretending that so-called extremists follow different Islamic texts and teachings?
Georgsays
For strategic reasons it is practically impossible to just tell Saudis they’re a bunch of jihadists. For one, we share a toxic alliance with them in order to stabilize the Gulf in particular (any disruption to the strait of Hormuz puts the US out of business — so it’s existential), but also because of their force in the region, especially with regard to Iran. It’s immensely advantageous militarily to have bases there, it goes on and on. It is enough to make you want to “puke”, as Trump’s friend said regarding his “award”.
In the long run, the value of petroleum will go down, however, and so will regard for Saudi Jihadia. Unfortunately lots of financial/political entanglements will remain, but their prominence will follow the price of oil — and whether it peaked 10 years ago, will 10 years from now, it won’t last.
Trump cannot stand them. But we are moored to pragmatism to whatever extent, and so for our sake cannot just yet deliver Saudi their comeuppance.
Georgsays
Asking the masterminds of 9/11 to “honestly confront problem of Islamist extremism”… This will be the apex of confrontation with the Saudis and we wonder why they’re freely sending Wahhabists into the West to spread their disease. To Trump’s credit, it’s the most any world leader has ever said, but still a demented joke.
Jack Diamondsays
The sight of Trump’s wife and daughter with their uncovered heads was the affirmation of women’s rights. The one memorable image.
The rest is arms deal and blather. One can only hope Trump is more Machiavellian than clueless about his “wonderful friends and allies” but clueless appears to have the day. Those “barbaric criminals” are being pious Muslims, that’s the problem Mr. President. How do Muslims “drive out” pious Muslims (without being compelled to)? Compelling them is your job.
Blather about “terrorism” without mentioning that Islamic terrorism is really jihad and jihad is a holy obligation upon Muslims. Islam does not teach your soul will be condemned for fighting in the cause of Allah, Mr. President, just the opposite, it is the one sure path to Paradise.
Having to listen to the Saudi king tell us (for the billionth time) that, for Islam, taking an “innocent” life is like killing all mankind (while affirming Islam is also against spreading “corruption”–hitting Qur’an 5:32 & 5:33 both, in shorthand). Needless to say, no mention of Saudi Arabia’s act of war against the United States on 9/11, their role in the global jihad, the malevolent spewing of their clerics (emanating only from the Qur’an and Sunnah), or ever holding them to account. After all, It’s a friendly visit and doing business. So more peace in our time and the three great Abrahamic religions (sic) working together against extremism (mainly Iranian). Living side by side in peace and tranquility, as has been the norm (if you just erase 1400 years of world history).
We’ll see how the Saudis and Gulf Arabs (i.e. the equally sinister Qatar) now dry up the funding of jihadists and deny them any sanctuary, as they and the President promise. Or what that even means.
No doubt now their mosques and madrassas will begin to teach equal rights for women and non-Muslims and that the violent and intolerant verses of the Qur’an (and the words and deeds of Muhammad) are merely historical and do not apply to Muslims today. No doubt about it. War is over.
Don Fosssays
The MSM failed to report that Ivanka spoke at a conference held in her honor for Women’s Rights, organized by Saudi women. Pretty good guess it was a purposeful omission.
Irene Brekelmanssays
Di di read in Trump’s speech “an honest confrontation etc.”? 10.000 speeches or gold chains could not help for anything. They are and keep lying, it’s like Georg said, they are all demented jokes.
If it was not so serious, it would make me laugh, all those leftists globalists. They are lying trough their teeth too. America will be hit the most, because you started the ly in Irak and nobody ever got punished for that, which made the chainreaction we have got now on our hands and the European countries went along with it. Your elite lied and lied and made big money out of that war, and your young , soldiers died for that and all those people.
What you did, comes back now to all of us, for the muslims too, for every country, participating in all that or not, or keeping their mouths shut. it will come and as long as you don’t see that and make a decision, that we all have to stop this and the african and asian countries too, it will not be a pretty picture. We have to stop fighting at one point, otherwise there is no hope for any of us, not for the human kind anyway. We can stop looking for other planets to live on, because first there will be little people left, second, what do you think what will happen on other planets when we come there, the whole cicle will start all over again and the same things will occur again as it was here. Is that waht you want? And that is for muslims too, they have a lot to their names too.
Plus all the whole financial system stinks, plus all our governments and councils etc. are lying to us and lying and lying.
In fact this whole world is one big illusion, nothing is true and you will find out, sooner than later. You don’t even know who you are, why you are here, where you came from and where you are going to and most of you never wondered about that and as long as you don’t know that or have asked about it, there is not much hope, the world now thrives on people who still meditate on world peace for you and this world. You don’t know anything about extra terrestials, good and bad ones. You don’t know who lives inside our earth, nothing. Ask your government, they know already for a long time, but that is all classified and secret info, because the people are “too dumb” to be notified.
We are slaves to old rotten systems that do not work any more. Believe you meIt would be better if you believed me that the rotten systems who earn a lot of money by spending your money as they see fit.
There is not one “good” country which works, like it should work. You have some good people, but most of them don’t know what to do either.
All you have got to say to your God: Pls, tell me what I need to know” and wait, you will see what will happen and send out inyour prayers for peace and light. If you all do that, the world will change.
But it is all up to you and this is not something for people you laugh about with goat wollen socks on, this is the only reality there is. Good luck and may your God bless you all!
gravenimagesays
Irene, it is true that there are problems everywhere.
But implying that the horrors of Shari’ah and the crushing of freedom under Islam is no worse than the West is simply not the case.
JawsVsays
The Pod People are inhabiting Trump. The President spouting these idiocies is an imposter.
Which WH worm came up with “Islamist extremism?” Probably McMaster. What a joke. It’s called Islamic Jihad. It’s in the Koran and Hadiths. Trump knows zero about Islam. I can’t even watch the speech, it’s too pathetic, like Obama’s in ’09.
Don Fosssays
He was as strong and honest as he could possibly be and still leave them inclined to work with us. Tell us what, exactly, would YOU have told the leaders of 50+ Muslim-majority countries, most of whom are already pre-disposed to listen to you with an open mind?
Raymond Stewartsays
I was very interested in the Saudi reaction to the Trump visit. In particular how the Saudi’s reacted to the First Lady Melania Trump. She really thumbed her nose at Islamic customs and did not wear a head covering and also wore a trouser suit. At one point the Saudi leaders surrounded Melania making sure she was behind all the men and not side by side with the President. Melania carried herself with dignity but she did look quite intimidated as looked to her left and right at the Saudi men who were clearly not engaging with her. The Saudis may be clapping, pretentiously, at Trump’s speech but they are still the staunch advocates of Islam and are no doubt going to continue to support ISIS but now with insiders in the Riyad counter terrorism center.
I don’t think Melania Trump is ignorant of Islamic customs. She comes from Slovenia in the former Yugoslavia, a country which has seen a long history of bloody war against Islam. I think Melania was probably advised not to wear the trouser suit but to wear a long dress and a head scarf but she, no doubt, thumbed her nose at that one. She probably knows more about Islam than President Trump does and is simply keeping her opinions to her herself on this trip but making a statement in her attire.
Troybeamsays
Trump was confronting the extreme of Islam, what message is he sending, Speech was off, however Trump did not bow and Mrs.T did not give in to Islamic garb, points there.
Don Fosssays
Nope. Excellent balance and just the right tone. Strong, firm, honest, with the necessary friendly-enough manner.
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underbed cat says
Awesome… I am shocked. I pray he makes it home.
underbed cat says
Awesome… I am shocked.
Terry says
My view- whatever Trump says, SOMEONE, WILL BE CRITICAL OF IT- either the lefties or his supporters.
if he said the weather is nice, there will be criticism because someone wants it to rain.
Mark Berlinger says
Islamoclueless?
Or, is President Trump trying to embarrass the Saudis into stop funding supremacism worldwide by pretending that so-called extremists follow different Islamic texts and teachings?
Georg says
For strategic reasons it is practically impossible to just tell Saudis they’re a bunch of jihadists. For one, we share a toxic alliance with them in order to stabilize the Gulf in particular (any disruption to the strait of Hormuz puts the US out of business — so it’s existential), but also because of their force in the region, especially with regard to Iran. It’s immensely advantageous militarily to have bases there, it goes on and on. It is enough to make you want to “puke”, as Trump’s friend said regarding his “award”.
In the long run, the value of petroleum will go down, however, and so will regard for Saudi Jihadia. Unfortunately lots of financial/political entanglements will remain, but their prominence will follow the price of oil — and whether it peaked 10 years ago, will 10 years from now, it won’t last.
Trump cannot stand them. But we are moored to pragmatism to whatever extent, and so for our sake cannot just yet deliver Saudi their comeuppance.
Georg says
Asking the masterminds of 9/11 to “honestly confront problem of Islamist extremism”… This will be the apex of confrontation with the Saudis and we wonder why they’re freely sending Wahhabists into the West to spread their disease. To Trump’s credit, it’s the most any world leader has ever said, but still a demented joke.
Jack Diamond says
The sight of Trump’s wife and daughter with their uncovered heads was the affirmation of women’s rights. The one memorable image.
The rest is arms deal and blather. One can only hope Trump is more Machiavellian than clueless about his “wonderful friends and allies” but clueless appears to have the day. Those “barbaric criminals” are being pious Muslims, that’s the problem Mr. President. How do Muslims “drive out” pious Muslims (without being compelled to)? Compelling them is your job.
Blather about “terrorism” without mentioning that Islamic terrorism is really jihad and jihad is a holy obligation upon Muslims. Islam does not teach your soul will be condemned for fighting in the cause of Allah, Mr. President, just the opposite, it is the one sure path to Paradise.
Having to listen to the Saudi king tell us (for the billionth time) that, for Islam, taking an “innocent” life is like killing all mankind (while affirming Islam is also against spreading “corruption”–hitting Qur’an 5:32 & 5:33 both, in shorthand). Needless to say, no mention of Saudi Arabia’s act of war against the United States on 9/11, their role in the global jihad, the malevolent spewing of their clerics (emanating only from the Qur’an and Sunnah), or ever holding them to account. After all, It’s a friendly visit and doing business. So more peace in our time and the three great Abrahamic religions (sic) working together against extremism (mainly Iranian). Living side by side in peace and tranquility, as has been the norm (if you just erase 1400 years of world history).
We’ll see how the Saudis and Gulf Arabs (i.e. the equally sinister Qatar) now dry up the funding of jihadists and deny them any sanctuary, as they and the President promise. Or what that even means.
No doubt now their mosques and madrassas will begin to teach equal rights for women and non-Muslims and that the violent and intolerant verses of the Qur’an (and the words and deeds of Muhammad) are merely historical and do not apply to Muslims today. No doubt about it. War is over.
Don Foss says
The MSM failed to report that Ivanka spoke at a conference held in her honor for Women’s Rights, organized by Saudi women. Pretty good guess it was a purposeful omission.
Irene Brekelmans says
Di di read in Trump’s speech “an honest confrontation etc.”? 10.000 speeches or gold chains could not help for anything. They are and keep lying, it’s like Georg said, they are all demented jokes.
If it was not so serious, it would make me laugh, all those leftists globalists. They are lying trough their teeth too. America will be hit the most, because you started the ly in Irak and nobody ever got punished for that, which made the chainreaction we have got now on our hands and the European countries went along with it. Your elite lied and lied and made big money out of that war, and your young , soldiers died for that and all those people.
What you did, comes back now to all of us, for the muslims too, for every country, participating in all that or not, or keeping their mouths shut. it will come and as long as you don’t see that and make a decision, that we all have to stop this and the african and asian countries too, it will not be a pretty picture. We have to stop fighting at one point, otherwise there is no hope for any of us, not for the human kind anyway. We can stop looking for other planets to live on, because first there will be little people left, second, what do you think what will happen on other planets when we come there, the whole cicle will start all over again and the same things will occur again as it was here. Is that waht you want? And that is for muslims too, they have a lot to their names too.
Plus all the whole financial system stinks, plus all our governments and councils etc. are lying to us and lying and lying.
In fact this whole world is one big illusion, nothing is true and you will find out, sooner than later. You don’t even know who you are, why you are here, where you came from and where you are going to and most of you never wondered about that and as long as you don’t know that or have asked about it, there is not much hope, the world now thrives on people who still meditate on world peace for you and this world. You don’t know anything about extra terrestials, good and bad ones. You don’t know who lives inside our earth, nothing. Ask your government, they know already for a long time, but that is all classified and secret info, because the people are “too dumb” to be notified.
We are slaves to old rotten systems that do not work any more. Believe you meIt would be better if you believed me that the rotten systems who earn a lot of money by spending your money as they see fit.
There is not one “good” country which works, like it should work. You have some good people, but most of them don’t know what to do either.
All you have got to say to your God: Pls, tell me what I need to know” and wait, you will see what will happen and send out inyour prayers for peace and light. If you all do that, the world will change.
But it is all up to you and this is not something for people you laugh about with goat wollen socks on, this is the only reality there is. Good luck and may your God bless you all!
gravenimage says
Irene, it is true that there are problems everywhere.
But implying that the horrors of Shari’ah and the crushing of freedom under Islam is no worse than the West is simply not the case.
JawsV says
The Pod People are inhabiting Trump. The President spouting these idiocies is an imposter.
Which WH worm came up with “Islamist extremism?” Probably McMaster. What a joke. It’s called Islamic Jihad. It’s in the Koran and Hadiths. Trump knows zero about Islam. I can’t even watch the speech, it’s too pathetic, like Obama’s in ’09.
Don Foss says
He was as strong and honest as he could possibly be and still leave them inclined to work with us. Tell us what, exactly, would YOU have told the leaders of 50+ Muslim-majority countries, most of whom are already pre-disposed to listen to you with an open mind?
Raymond Stewart says
I was very interested in the Saudi reaction to the Trump visit. In particular how the Saudi’s reacted to the First Lady Melania Trump. She really thumbed her nose at Islamic customs and did not wear a head covering and also wore a trouser suit. At one point the Saudi leaders surrounded Melania making sure she was behind all the men and not side by side with the President. Melania carried herself with dignity but she did look quite intimidated as looked to her left and right at the Saudi men who were clearly not engaging with her. The Saudis may be clapping, pretentiously, at Trump’s speech but they are still the staunch advocates of Islam and are no doubt going to continue to support ISIS but now with insiders in the Riyad counter terrorism center.
I don’t think Melania Trump is ignorant of Islamic customs. She comes from Slovenia in the former Yugoslavia, a country which has seen a long history of bloody war against Islam. I think Melania was probably advised not to wear the trouser suit but to wear a long dress and a head scarf but she, no doubt, thumbed her nose at that one. She probably knows more about Islam than President Trump does and is simply keeping her opinions to her herself on this trip but making a statement in her attire.
Troybeam says
Trump was confronting the extreme of Islam, what message is he sending, Speech was off, however Trump did not bow and Mrs.T did not give in to Islamic garb, points there.
Don Foss says
Nope. Excellent balance and just the right tone. Strong, firm, honest, with the necessary friendly-enough manner.