The imams should be condemning much more than this, such as the Saudi misogynistic guardianship program, stonings, the cutting off of heads, death for apostasy and gays, and all other human rights violations under sharia, since such laws are also “extremist” and “violent.” They should also be condemning the sharia teachings that come out of Al Alzhar in Egypt, but what could compare to making a good public show in Austria than throwing the Islamic State under the bus to stealthily try to hide the nature of sharia and global islamic supremacism?
Saudi Arabia was also found to be auctioning off Yazidi sex slaves of the Islamic State; while an German Interior Ministry report found Turkey to be in cahoots with the Islamic State, and that “President Erdogan’s government also supports Palestinian Hamas, Egypt’s Muslim Brotherhood as well as other extremist groups in Syria.” Then there is the problem of black slavery in Mauritania and Sudan, and also of the problem of college campus Muslim associations throughout the West that are connected to Hamas, a group that mandates the obliteration of Israel.
Surely the 300 imams in Austria can go just a little farther than to sign a declaration against the Islamic State in order to show their commitment to peace and democracy.
“Isis condemned by 300 Austrian Muslim imams who sign declaration against ‘extremism, violence and terror'”, by Caroline Mortimer, Express, June 16, 2017:
Around 300 imams in Austria have signed a declaration calling Isis the “black sheep” of the Islamic faith and called for fellow Muslims to take a greater role in society.
The Islamic Religious Community of Austria (IGGÖ) signed the declaration against “extremism, violence and terror” in Vienna which “holds that atrocities of the IS terrorists are contrary to Islam and must be condemned most severely”.
“These IS terrorists misuse our peaceful Islam religion to reach their political goals,” it added.
Around 180 imams who signed gathered outside a mosque in the city to unfurl a banner saying “United against extremism and terror”.
IGGÖ President Ibrahim Olgun said in a speech that “a religion that stands for peace can not have fundamentalist, terrorist or radical features” and that the Islamic faith was “polluted” by the actions of violent extremists.
The declaration said: “We, the Austrian imams, will continue to do everything they can to maintain peaceful coexistence here in Austria as part of this society.
“Nothing will stop us from using ourselves for peace, freedom, justice, equal opportunities for men and women, and social security based on reason and solidarity, and to make our active contribution to the preservation of society.”
It quoted a passage from the Quran which said “when a man kills a man, it is as if he had killed all mankind, and whoever saved a man’s life is like saving all mankind”.
The move comes as the Austrian parliament passed a controversial law which banned burqas in public last month, which is due to come into force in October, despite the fact that only a tiny majority of women in the country wear the full-face veil.
The provision will not apply to the hijab, which only covers the head and neck.
The ban has been criticised as a knee-jerk reaction to the rise of the populist Freedom Party of Austria which narrowly lost the presidential election to Green candidate Alexander Van der Bellen after a rerun of the vote in December 2016.
The first result in spring of that year, which was annulled after it was found some absentee ballots had been counted too early, resulted in a victory of just 0.3 per cent for Mr Van der Bellen in the second round.
Freedom Party candidate Norbert Hofer won the first round with 35 per cent of the vote to Mr Van der Bellen’s 21.3 per cent.
Austria has not suffered the same extremist attacks on its own soil as its European neighbours.
But some 300 people out of a population of 8.7m have travelled to Syria to fight since the civil war began…..
gravenimage says
Austria: 300 imams sign declaration against terrorism and the Islamic State
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Well, OK. Do they also condemn what the Islamic State is based on–orthodox Shari’ah, Jihad, the Caliphate, and the model of the “Prophet”–or do they just consider ISIS to be personal rivals?
jack grandville says
Excellent question — breathlessly awaiting an informative response,
PRCS says
They condemn “terrorism”, but not specific passages from the texts which drive jihad.
mortimer says
The 300 mullahs cannot denounce the 164 jihad verses in the Koran: K 002:178-179, 190-191, 193-194, 216-218, 244; 003:121-126, 140-143, 146, 152-158, 165-167,169, 172-173, 195; 004:071-072, 074-077, 084, 089-091, 094-095,100-104; 005:033, 035, 082; 008:001, 005, 007, 009-010, 012, 015-017, 039-048,057-060, 065-075; 009:005, 012-014, 016, 019-020, 024-026, 029,036, 038-039, 041, 044, 052, 073, 081, 083,086, 088, 092, 111, 120, 122-123; 016:110; 022:039, 058, 078; 024:053, 055; 025:052; 029:006, 069; 033:015, 018, 020, 023, 025-027, 050; 042:039; 047:004, 020, 035; 048:015-024; 049:015; 059:002, 005-008, 014; 060:009; 061:004, 011, 013; 063:004; 064:014; 066:009; 073:020; 076:008.
gravenimage says
True, PRCS. When Muslims condemn “terrorism”, all too often it turns out they are talking not about Jihad, but *resistance* to Jihad.
PRCS says
That’s one possibility, or they’re just professing that to fool the gullible among us.
gravenimage says
Yes–Taqiyya either way.
mortimer says
gravenimage asked whether the 300 mullahs condemn the ideology of ISIS.
The answer is ‘NO, they approve the ideology of ISIS.
A former imam of the Grand Mosque in Mecca, Sheikh Adel al-Kalbani, has said that the Islamic State (IS) group follows the same brand of Islam as officially espoused by Saudi Arabia.
“We follow the same thought [as IS] but apply it in a refined way,” he said. “They draw their ideas from what is written in our own books, from our own principles.”
The cleric said that “we do not criticise the thought on which it (IS) is based”.
In his MBC interview, which was broadcast on 22 January, Kalbani said IS and Salafists in Saudi Arabia shared the same opinion on apostasy, which is that those who leave Islam should be executed.
Kalbani also spoke about the killing of journalists by IS, including Americans James Foley and Steven Sotloff, which drew global condemnation in September 2014.
He said “their blood was shed according to Salafist fatwas (religious edicts) not outside the Salafist framework.”
Over the years, Sheikh Adel al-Kalbani’s has said that the Islamic State is a “true product of Salafism”, that Shi’ites are “apostates” and he rejoiced that Saudi Arabia “shelters [him] from hearing church bells ringing.”
Salafite Sunnite Islam is the official doctrine of Soddy Barbaria which funds most of the mosques in the Western world.
gravenimage says
All true, Mortimer.
Bob says
Is ‘taqqiya’ the word for which I’m groping?
mgoldberg says
Ask them about all the car attacks, the attacks on nightclubs, etc etc., and then ask about attacks on Israeli’s. Then wait for their answers.
Frank Anderson says
Considering the fundamental doctrine of “taqqiya” (spelling is bound to be wrong) why would anyone believe these “scholars” would tell the truth or make a binding promise to any infidel for any reason. They don’t mean or stand committed to any word of their “condemnation”. They just want to delay and confuse the ignorant.
mortimer says
Frank Anderson referred to ‘taqqiya’ (spelled ‘taqiyya’). ALL Muslims commit VERBAL JIHAD which is basically TAQIYYA or telling lies and spreading DISINFORMATION about the meaning, motives and methods of JIHAD… HOLY WARFARE AGAINST THE DIRTY KUFAAR. Only about 1% of Muslims ever commit MILITARY JIHAD, but 100% of all Muslims must commit VERBAL JIHAD (lies about jihad) or they have LEFT ISLAM.
Stan Lee says
300 Imams make no difference. The problem with Islam IS Islam. Had the 300 Imams sworn against all of the Muslim penalties by which Shariah justifies its laws and penalties, the Imams would all be declared apostates and be murdered one way or another.
Ms. Williams named the penal practices “natural” to Islam, but if Islam can add any other penalties for breaking with Islam’s directives, be sure that any new innovations will be added and supported by Imams.
By declaring that they’ll do all in their power against “extremism and terror”,the Imams still are abiding by their own Muslim indoctrination, and the advice to Austria must be to beware of Muslims acting as truthful and peaceful to infidels. That has been going on for more than 1400 years, and still there is the Islam that these Imams suppose, or attempt convincing Austrians of, that they will reduce Islam to benign practices.
marina says
These imams should explain the 100 + violent verses of the koran and Mo’s military campaigns against the kuffars.
Lebel says
Jihadwatch: Where the Muslims condemning ISIS?
Muslims condemn ISIS
Jihadwathc: Thats not enough (and is probably Taqqiya)
Im sure there is an article from Robert Spencer on the way explaining to jwatchers why Muslims condemning ISIS is a form of support according to his latest research.
Evosse1314 says
I think you will find tbe condemnation is not addressing the specifics of Islam that breeds terrorism. As tbe article makes clear they at no point condemned stoning slavery and jihad. Just mealy mouthed “islam is a religion of peace” nonsense
Lebel says
What difference would that make? it would just be more taqqya.
It will never be enough, jwatchers will keep moving the goalpost or call taqqiya.
don vito says
jihad makes halal, what was haram.
gravenimage says
More apologia for Islam from the appalling Lebel.
Poor Muslims–they have only committed over 31,000 acts of violent Jihad just since 9/11. What “Islamophobia” it is to wonder if they really are opposed to violent Jihad…sarc/off
Besides, so often when you scratch the surface of Muslims “condemning” Jihad groups, one finds that they have actually supported it elsewhere. We are not supposed to notice that, though…bad, bad dhimmis…
When speaking of Jihad terror previously, Ibrahim Olgun just lambasted Infidels for “simply pigeon-holing Muslims as scapegoats”.
https://www.thelocal.at/20170109/austrias-islamic-faith-community-will-open-mosque-doors
Not mention of the actual victims of Jihad at all–just pretending that Muslims are not the perpetrators, but the victims. This does not surprise.
Jack Kemp says
Uh yeah. Put a listening device in their mosques and see how much hateful rhetoric they indulge in….
Janeatte says
Don’t believe any thing about Muslims,it is a Taqia,they say things and do the opposite in behinds that what Mohammad taught them to do,show the other face and works with real face
mortimer says
QUOTE: “Isis condemned by 300 Austrian Muslim imams who sign declaration against ‘extremism, violence and terror’ ????
“TERRORIZE THEM!” (‘turhibunna’) Koran 8.60.
Yeah…sure, pals … anything you say.
Matthieu Baudin says
Once again, right on the ball! Keep at them Christine – there is an awful lot of baggage that Islamic leaders need to disown, and jettison into the dustbin of history.
Flavius Claudius Iulianus says
No treaties with the the kufar. Only ten year respites (in the guise of treaties) in order to regroup and replenish.
When a Mohammadiam offers a treaty it means they are weakened and on the ropes. If you are at war with Mohammadians then this is a sign that you can now finish them off. Do not treat with them; they will not, cannot treat in good faith.
A Lancaster says
The misquoting of quran 5:32 omitting the exceptions – “except for murder or causing mischief in the land” is a sure sign of deception. The meaning of mischief is ‘anything against the will of allah’ – Tafsir ibn Kathir.
gravenimage says
Yes–leaving out Qur’an 5:33 is also deceptive.
Qur’an 5:32 addresses Jews, not Muslims. Muslims can always murder in the name of their violent creed.
Debi Brand says
“300 imams sign declaration against terrorism and the Islamic State”
Operation Obfuscate, aka, Shovel the crap.
Motto: If you shovel it, they will eat it.
As in, Secretary Rex Tillerson’s recent misstatement, with respect to the Salat for those martyred in “Allah’s Cause”: “a number of imams in London have condemned these attackers and said they will not perform prayer services over their funerals, which means they’re condemning their souls.”
Sir, you are telling us, when these Imams withheld the funeral prayer from those killed fighting in the way of “Allah,” that withholding of prayer, “means they’re condemning their souls.”
With all due respect, Sir, your statement there is a bold-faced lie.
Who, Sir, empowered you, or aided you, who lead you to believe the above stated lie was worth your asserting?
Debi Brand says
“Around 180 imams who signed gathered outside a mosque in the city to unfurl a banner saying ‘United against extremism and terror’.”
Translated: “to Hades with our beloved prophet, we hate him, we hate him, we hate what he did, what he approved, what he praised, We hate him!!! To the Hell-fire with him!!!!”
Bob8la says
I think the scariest thing is that there are 300 “moderate” imams in Austria. Think how many did not sign it, add their followers and we see why even Austria is lost
Ralph Schleichkorn says
Wonder if that declaration against terrorism includes Muslim terrorism against Israel and the Jews… ?
gravenimage says
Good question, Ralph.
More Ham Ed says
Their “signatures” will cause them ZERO accountability.
jack grandville says
Does this not sound like a ‘new’ version of the oldl ‘bait and switch’ that was so popular some many year ago? It also has a familiarity of ‘general politics’ in it.and I would be surprised if this is not a ploy specifically ordered by the highest office in the Muslim heirarchy to quell the rising tide of disbelief in the Muslim’s cry of innocence when acts of barbarism occur around the globe.