“There is not a single tyrant or oppressor who does not fight the principle of Jihad, just like the occupiers did, when they invaded our countries. They even created Islamic sects and movements that would repudiate Jihad. They tried to secularize Islam, and thus to eliminate the notion of Jihad from Islam, so that the (occupied) countries would stay calm.”
This is how Islamic hardliners view attempts at Islamic reform: as an unacceptable surrender to the enemies of Islam.
“Egyptian Historian Mohamed Elhamy: Jihad Will Continue until Judgment Day,” MEMRI, May 27, 2017:
Egyptian historian Mohamed Elhamy said that Jihad was established in Islam in order to “transfer the believers from weakness and enslavement to strength and empowerment” and that it would continue until Judgment Day. “The occupiers, the oppressors, and the tyrants are well aware… of the importance of Jihad for the sake of Allah,” he said, speaking on the Turkey-based Egyptian Muslim Brotherhood channel Mekameleen TV on May 27.
Mohamed Elhamy: “Jihad has been established (in Islam), and it will continue until Judgment Day. Jihad was established in order to transfer the believers from weakness and enslavement to strength and empowerment. Truth by itself is weak. It needs force. It was through Jihad that the Muslims transformed from a state of weakness and enslavement in Mecca into power and sovereignty in Medina. Jihad was established also in order to save humanity, in order to save the subjugated and the oppressed. Therefore, Jihad is the enemy of injustice and tyranny. There is not a single tyrant or oppressor who does not fight the principle of Jihad, just like the occupiers did, when they invaded our countries. They even created Islamic sects and movements that would repudiate Jihad. They tried to secularize Islam, and thus to eliminate the notion of Jihad from Islam, so that the (occupied) countries would stay calm. The occupiers, the oppressors, and the tyrants are well aware – even more than those who are on the side of Truth themselves – of the importance of Jihad for the sake of Allah. They know they cannot subjugate the people unless they remove their (notion) of resistance, and remove the will to wage Jihad for the sake of Allah from the people’s hearts and minds. Through its Jihad, which will continue until Judgement Day, the Islamic nation represents the cultural alternative, and the hope of supporting the subjugated and the oppressed all over the world.”
Adrian says
Unfortunately, this will not matter…
Our so-called “experts” and “commentators” who have never cracked open a Quran, and know nothing about the ideologies that are required of all “good” Muslims…
So they think they know better than Muslims themselves what the Quran states, what the example of Muhammed means, and the doctrine of hatred towards all Kafirs…
The blind will continue to lead the blind
somehistory says
The well-informed know that blood lust in all its forms is the core of islum.
The deniers may know it, but will not admit it.
When the moslums themselves tell the facts…even with all his lies thrown in…the deniers will still not acknowledge the truth…that islum is evil and demonic and lusts continually, 24/7 all year around…for blood and rape and making everyone else submit to the evil. They don’t need any *reasons* for doing so.
The real tyrant, the dictator…is dead. The nobody of the desert, the raper of children and murderer of many, is dead…but because he worked for the devil, his followers must keep following his orders…and they like being obedient to his evil.
Benedict says
Jihad is a permanent feature of Islam. If Muslims, God forbid, should conquer the world and subjugate the infidels, they would continue to fight and exterminate each other in order to keep Islam alive.
WPM says
AS the Shiite and Sunni do today.
gravenimage says
Exactly, Benedict and WMP.
Anne Smith says
Well they are doing a pretty good job of that at the moment in Yemen and Afghanistan. In fact there seems to be internecine warfare amongst Muslims all the time somewhere in the Islamic world.
DFD says
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Shmooviyet says
Thank you for posting!
James says
“Truth by itself is weak” ? That goes a long way to explain why the notion of a Crucified God Whose strength is in weakness (as per 1 Corinthians 1) is anathema to Islam.
gravenimage says
True, James.
ibrahim itace muhammed says
yes,the historian is absolutely right.Another strategy the world oppressors led by evil United states is sponsoring of evil groups like wahhabi Alqaeda,Taliban and now deadly isis with perverted view on jihad to discredit the concept.The preponderant and acceptable view is that jihad is a means of resistance against oppression on muslims and other weak oppressed people.Britain started the plot of frustrating true jihad for resistance against oppression where it sponsored heretic Ahmad Ghulam Qadiani in India when it was under British colonial occupation who declared that it is haram for Muslims to oppose British rule.The Qadianist doctrine was rejected by majority muslims and it is now vanishing.perverted terrorist grouos will also vanish and true jihad for resisting oppression will continue to last hour when prophet Issa will descend to defeat Dujjal( the then leader of world oppression) and end pagan christianity falsely attributed to him.
Cretius says
Horse pucky! Islam is a supremacist and fascist belief system that is anti-democratic with a 1,400 year history of aggressive and bloody holy war directed against non-believers and fellow Muslims. Islam is the poster boy for intolerance, inequality, bigotry and backward cultural practices. Sharia Law is stuck in the 7th century. Bottom line is that Islam is totally incompatible with modern secular democracies.
Eventually even the useful idiot leftists among us will see the light. The butchers bill will be higher the longer they dally.
gravenimage says
Appalling Muslim apologist ibrahim itace muhammed wrote:
yes,the (sic) historian is absolutely right.
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In other words, ibrahim itace muhammed is agreeing that bloody violence is central to the foul creed of Islam.
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Another strategy the world oppressors led by evil United states (sic) is sponsoring of evil groups like wahhabi Alqaeda,Taliban (sic) and now deadly isis (sic) with perverted view on jihad to discredit the concept.
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muhammed has claimed before that the West created these groups, but it makes no sense. The civilized West does not wage violent Jihad; Islam does.
He also–as here–has proven incapable of saying how Jihadi groups like the Taliban, Al Qaida, and ISIS differ in any way from orthodox Jihad, because they don’t.
In fact, pious Muslims are flocking to the Islamic State.
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The preponderant and acceptable view is that jihad is a means of resistance against oppression on muslims (sic) and other weak oppressed people.
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Riiiiiight–Muslims invade, conquer, and enslave people for their own benefit. You actually here this from Muslims all the time. It dates way back–a Hadith reads, “Abu Hurrayrah said, ‘You are the best of people for people, you bring them in chains and fetters until they embrace Islam'”–Bukhari, 4557
*That* is how Muslims think, including the foul ibrahim itace muhammed here.
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Britain started the plot of frustrating true jihad for resistance against oppression where it sponsored heretic Ahmad Ghulam Qadiani in India when it was under British colonial occupation who declared that it is haram for Muslims to oppose British rule.The (sic) Qadianist doctrine was rejected by majority muslims (sic) and it is now vanishing.
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Pious Muslims slaughter “heretics” like the Ahmadi for rejecting violent Jihad.
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perverted (sic) terrorist grouos (sic) will also vanish and true jihad for resisting oppression
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Notice–once again–muhammed does not say what is “perverted” about these Jihad terror groups, which are quite orthodox.
The reason for most Muslims who oppose them is simply that they are rival Jihad groups, and that is likely the case with muhammed here. Certainly, he has never opposed them on ideological grounds. But then, how could he?
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will continue to last hour when prophet Issa will descend to defeat Dujjal( (sic) the then leader of world oppression) and end pagan christianity (sic) falsely attributed to him.
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This is what Muslims consider “oppression”–Christians being allowed to worship freely. In the Last Days, “Issa”–who is *not* the same figure as Jesus–slaughters any Christians who refuse to convert to Islam.
In Islam, the role of “Jesus” is to *kill Christians*. How many foolish Christians who believe the claptrap about Muslims “respecting” Jesus understand this?
ibrahim itace muhammed may believe he is “defending” Islam here, but he is just exposing its naked savagery.
Keys says
Excellent response, gi, to the proudly abhorrent and ignorantly arrogant, itace.
I can now see why he was not banned from Jihad Watch despite his vulgarity at times.
I picture him a Mohammadan Gollum.
gravenimage says
Thank you, Keys. Yes–as repulsive as ibrahim itace muhammed is, his spewings are *very* instructive as to the savagery of Islam. Everytime he tries to “defend” Islam, he reveals more of its barbarism.
ibrahim itace muhammed says
gravenimage,so you want Muslims to reject resistance so that your evil united states will engage in armed robbery in muslim lands with ease? impossible.we will recover all the stolen wealths your foreparents took from muslims and built western economies.ediots,gang of international brigands called christian west
mortimer says
Ibrahim, you are a real jihadist. I am pleased that we and the intelligence agencies have observed you.
You certainly exemplify the necessity of Muslims to hate dirty kafirs ‘for the sake of Allah’.
We are happy that we have observed your hate.
Cretius says
The history of Islam is an aggressive 1,400 holy war written in blood. Subjugating the Middle East and the Byzantine Empire by the sword. Non-believers see you as nothing but supremacist fascists that live be stealing from others. There is nothing in Islam for a thinking person. You are the declared enemies of secular democracy and should be treated as such. You make no accommodations while demanding them. Islam cannot stand up to scrutiny, discussion or criticism. That makes it an inferior belief system.
gravenimage says
The vicious ibrahim itace muhammed wrote:
gravenimage,so (sic) you want Muslims to reject resistance so that your evil united (sic) states (sic) will engage in armed robbery in muslim (sic) lands with ease?
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Recall that ibrahim itace muhammed has characterized free trade between the West and the Muslim world as “engage in armed robbery”.
He holds that any case where Muslims are not robbing or enslaving Infidels to be “armed robbery”. This is the Muslim mindset, based on the model of the caravan-raiding “Prophet”.
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impossible.we (sic) will recover all the stolen wealths (sic) your foreparents took from muslims (sic) and built western economies.ediots,gang (sic) of international brigands called christian (sic) west (sic)
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muhammed has made this ludicrous claim before–that if Infidels are wealthy and have vibrant economies where Muslims (of course) do not, then it must be because Infidels have stolen that wealth from Mohammedans.
Of course, Muslims have had *almost nothing* to do with the innovation, invention, hard work, and free trade of the West. But then, most Mohammedans are too ignorant to recognize the roots of truly functioning economies.
Instead, they want to base their economies on piracy, kidnapping, and slavery.
This is why the West and countries like Israel and Japan are thriving; and pious Islamic countries like Somalia, Afghanistan, and Yemen are such appalling hellholes.
Westman says
I have no doubt that “judgement day” will come long before either Allah or the Christian God are involved and it won’t be pleasant for jihadists or the ME. History has shown that all developed weapons eventually get used, in every way possible. Toward the end of world-level wars there is no regard left for the innocent and civilians are puposefully killed to hasten the end of the conflict.
Where it will develop is unknown; perhaps India-Pakistan, US-Iran, Iran-SA, etc. If it starts with India-Pakistan, no Muslims will be left in India when its over. The religion of perpetual offense has a history of pushing unbelievers until there is an eventual backlash.
There is one entity that causes problems, about which old enemies, Russia, China, US, the Balkans, and many democratic countries can agree. I hope I never live long enough to experience what is coming if Islam doesn’t reform and stop violent Jihadists and violent jihad. It’s like two locomotives headed toward each other that can’t get off the track. The world can become free and democratic or it can become subjugated, however it cannot equally be both in the same place and time.
Shone says
@Westman, The cult, not a religion will never ever be reformed. Unlike Christianity and Judaism, or any other religion, it has no Theologians, no saints, it has just a book, hadits and a “prophet”, there is no free thinking, no personal revelations, plain and simple. Double faced cult, lies and deception, smooth talking and beheading. That is islam! No matter how hard we try, or wish to reform it, thats not going to happen. The only way is consider islam as a cult, not a religion and according to that forbid islam and to make it absolutely illegal. And to act according to that. Not just on islam it self, but also on the followers of it. But this also not going to happen because our greedy politicians and corrupted media. So, is there any peaceful solution? No, there is not. Sooner or later, followers of cult will attack our old enemies, and then, they will do the job. What west could do then? It could do anything, except to defend “poor” muslims in struggle against those who will I hope, try to deal with them on a proper way used to deal with pests. Ideally west will consider those old enemies of them as ally’s and follow their example. Then it will be the end of beginning. If not, then the civilization, and the way of living as we know it are doomed. For me, if I have to choose between the life under sharia and war on death cult, it is not a choice. I will never submit, or change my beliefs. I will rather die defending my family, my way of living, my country, my faith! And If it means to fullfil their wish to go to jenet, I will do it, gladly, without any kind of remorse.
James says
The problem with the doctrine of unending jihad is, that it makes it difficult to live in peace with Muslims – even when non-Muslims are willing to do so. It means, in practice, that they can have certainty that they will not be harmed by jihadi Muslims. Most people in the West are not out to get Muslims – but if they carry on being bombed and stabbed and so on by jihadis, that is likely not to last.
Is the doctrine of unending jihad p really the kind of doctrine Muslims want to spread ? Why can they not adopt the view that the Koran is eternal and revealed, but that its violent verses are of no present-day relevance ? They would not have to change even one dot or stroke of the Koran, and they would be much easier to trust.
Does it follow that because such a doctrine about the Koran has been unacceptable until now, it never can be acceptable ? It would be in agreement with how the Jewish and Christian Scriptures are read – if the Koran comes from the same God, why can the Koran not be read in the same way: as being Divinely revealed, and as containing passages that have now been superseded ?
James says
…they can have no certainty that….
mortimer says
James, the Koran is believed by Muslims to supersede and abrogate OT and NT. Jews and Christians are given a chance to repent and embrace Mohammed and persecuted by Muslims in the meantime until the Mahdi appears and kills them all.
By the logic of the Koran, Allah deceived the Christians into believing that Jesus was crucified and resurrected, Allah thus created the conditions of Christianity and then hated what he had made. Allah took 600 years to correct the errors he had foisted on Christians. Then he sent Muslims to enslave Christians and eventually to exterminate them entirely.
That’s Islamic logic. Allah contradicts himself massively and punishes the very people he tricked.
ItsReallyQuiteClear says
James,
I agree with your sentiments here, but I think that the “contract” that is Islamic doctrine is ironclad. Don’t Muslims believe that each instance of the Koran is a divine creation? And that that makes it beyond human interpretation? So if it doesn’t say that there’s a time limit on something, for a person to interpret a time limit, or a context, where none is explicitly specified well, that would be blasphemy, wouldn’t it? And they would know better than anyone what that would mean: a very short lifespan to that interpretation.
Someone commented on another post something like: can’t change, won’t change, never change. To which could probably be added, and don’t want to change.
Keys says
Agree, ItsRealityQuiteClear.
James, like most all of us, is looking for a solution to Islam’s supremacist doctrines, and there is none.
Allah requires supremacy.
Also, what to do about Mohammad as the “perfect man”, and abrogation, etc., etc., not to mention those who hold power through Islam are not likely to give up their authority, whether they are sincere believers or not.
ItsReallyQuiteClear says
Keys,
Mohammad: the “perfect con man”…
Your comment made me think about what could possibly be a solution to a violent, hateful doctrine that can’t be reformed — by man (don’t even need to make an obligatory reference to meaning this in a non-gender specific way, because, well, you know…).
We just need a critical mass of Imams to discover some forgotten sunnah that abrogates…um, like a lot of the Koran…and have them decree that it’s a verified, trusted sirah. No need to confuse this with a blasphemous reform, this is the real McCoy.
Yep, we’ve been going about this all wrong. Don’t scare ’em with a call for reform, which they’re not allowed to do, under penalty of death. Just sort of remind them that, with what? 200? 500? accepted instances of abrogation, there might be room for one more instance.
Of course, the last point you made would kind of Trump that. Uh oh, now I’ve really made them mad…
RationalVoice says
Poor Ibrahim. You see the world through the distorted Islamic lens of your brainwashed mind.
Give up this false and evil belief system which shouldn’t have any place in the modern world.
Only evidence based knowledge is worth having and those old books you base your beliefs on are mainly plagiarized versions of earlier Jewish books from an even more ancient time.All of them are concoctions of the ignorant (in the true sense of the word)human mind and fear of death of primitive man.
You conflate political oppression with Islam but the primitive beliefs of Islamic countries weakens and degrades them making them more vulnerable and disrespected throughout the world.
You then want to export your beliefs to far superior countries to bring them down to the level the whole world sees in Islamic countries.
For your own sake Ibrahim wake up and start enjoying your life.You have only one.No Last day of Judgement,no Paradise,no 72 virgins and above all NO ALLAH TO PLEASE !!!!!
Flavius Claudius Iulianus says
His little speech is highly instructive:
– I noticed how his rhetoric could easily be interchanged with a communist/leftist argument. (For example, “The truth is weak so we need jihad to make it strong” = “the end justifies the means.”)
– His little talk is further evidence that Mohammadism is not reformable.
– Mohammadian ‘victimology’ is on full display here: Name everything in opposition to what it is to cover the tracks of the criminals. The perp. is the victim; the righteous are the tyrants. Clothe the wolf in a sheepskin and portray the meek lamb as a villain. And again, it resembles socialist style ‘victimology.’
Cretius says
WELL SAID!!
Flavius Claudius Iulianus says
Thank you for your kind words.
gravenimage says
Fine analysis, Flavius.
Flavius Claudius Iulianus says
Thank you for your kind words.
gravenimage says
🙂
James says
Victimology seems to be a weakness of the Semitic peoples: there is some of it in the Book of Psalms; and the Assyrian kings in their campaign-annals are constantly doing barbaric things because their gods/themselves have been offended. (It has been pointed out that men will do unpleasant things to others in the names of their gods that they would not dream of doing if they alone were the offended party.)
For Islam, a religion of Semitic origin, to have the same rather unlovely characteristic, is therefore perhaps not surprising.
If Islam had a doctrine of atonement for sin, united with an insistence on the importance of love of others, with conversion from sin and renewal of life, a blt like Christianity, maybe the perception of self as unilaterally a victim of “them” could be overcome, or at least weakened. Love draws people out of themselves, away from thinking of how they have been wronged, and it weakens ego-assertiveness. STM Islam needs a new Spirit – just as Christians do, and as was promised to the Jews.
gravenimage says
Um–Jews are not the problem re violent Jihad.
Shmooviyet says
“The occupiers, the oppressors and the tyrants…know they cannot subjugate the people unless they remove their (notion) of resistance…”
Accurately describing the way to spread the islamic infection, to liberate us from the miseries of liberty.
Cretius says
Islam may not like the roll back by the secular democracies. We have dealt with fascist ideologies before. Islam is just another one. Judgement Day for you may be closer than you think.
Voytek Gagalka says
And this is precise reason that all attempts to “reform” Islam will utterly FAIL. Paraphrasing, it would be easier to go through needle’s eye than succeed to enter the “paradise of reformed Islam.”
gravenimage says
Mohamed Elhamy: “Jihad has been established (in Islam), and it will continue until Judgment Day. Jihad was established in order to transfer the believers from weakness and enslavement to strength and empowerment.
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*The believers*–in other words, Muslims are “enslaved” if they are not allowed to conquer and enslave others. *Ugh*.
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Truth by itself is weak. It needs force.
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In other words, Islam can rarely convince anyone–instead, Muslims do not rely on convincing others, but instead brutalize them into compliance.
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It was through Jihad that the Muslims transformed from a state of weakness and enslavement in Mecca into power and sovereignty in Medina. Jihad was established also in order to save humanity, in order to save the subjugated and the oppressed.
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Muslims were not enslaved in Mecca–they just were not in power and were not respected, which Muslims consider tantamount to being enslaved.
And then, they had perfect freedom in Medina, and had in fact been invited in–but that was not enough for them, either–Muhammed had to take over and expel many tribes, including the Jews. Then he compelled all Medinans to fight for him, and slaughtered or enslaved those who were loathe to do so.
The bit about the “subjugated and oppressed” is grotesque, since the only ones subjugating and oppressing others were the Muslims themselves.
But then, this has often been the case throughout Islamic history.
jewdog says
This guy must be some kind of Islamophobe, talking about power and jihad. Anyone who tries to link Islam with domination will not be welcome at certain cocktail parties.
Forget about reforming Islam. Just put together a utopian view of society based on Western values, including the principle that Sharia must not imposed, and use it as a basis for criticizing and transforming Islamic culture. Given those principles, let the Muslims can duke it out amongst themselves.
WPM says
If they the Islamics were just in their own lands the trouble is the Islamics consider the whole world an Islamic territory that must be subjugated .The Muslims are duking it out on us in the streets of France ,Germany ,England ,America ,Philippines , and Russia. They are using our government against us, they have Sharia creeping in to eclipse our laws. They Islamics have useful idiot progressives backing them because progressives hate Christian, Jewish beliefs and Western Beliefs. Sharia must be imposed by Islamics or they will keep on fighting and killing till it is. There is no lasting peace treaty with Islam it is all or nothing with them ,I vote nothing!
Matthieu Baudin says
“… Truth by itself is weak. It needs force.,,”
A rather cute rendition of ‘Might Is Right’, the rallying call of 20th Century Despots.
Vishnupundraka says
“Jihad was established also in order to save humanity, in order to save the subjugated and the oppressed”
Jihad is oppression personified with respect to non Muslims. This wooden headed historian does not understand that his country had a thriving pagan culture before the advent of Islam. This was decimated by marauding Muslim Arabs. The pagans in Egypt produced wonderful monuments that stood the test of time. After Islamization what did Egypt produce?
mortimer says
Mohamed Elhamy believes that Islamic countries are backward because they are not practicing jihad.
I would like to ask him a question or two:
Mr. Elhamy, why are the countries of Europe, the Americas, Australia, New Zealand all so stable and prosperous, when they do not practice sharia law or conduct jihad?
Why do Muslims wish to leave Islamic countries at their first opportunity and move to prosperous NON-ISLAMIC COUNTRIES?
What makes Islamic countries DYSFUNCTIONAL?
In a NUCLEAR ERA with more than 16,000 nuclear bombs, WHERE DO YOU THINK JIHAD WILL LEAD US?
gravenimage says
Damned good questions, Mortimer.
Of course, while some Muslims leave Dar-al-Islam for the West for a better life, some are bent on turning the lands that give them sanctuary into another blighted stretch of the Muslim world.