No one is concerned about Sharia because they don’t want Muslims getting married according to Islamic rituals or praying in an Islamic manner. The only reason why people are concerned about Sharia is because of its denial of rights to women and non-Muslims, its denial of the freedom of speech and the freedom of conscience, and other aspects of it that contradict American law and principles of human rights. But unsurprisingly, the erstwhile Ground Zero Mosque imam Feisal Abdul Rauf, he of the spectacularly sinister mein, disingenuously misrepresents opposition to Sharia in the U.S., and the nature of Sharia itself.
As always, these dishonest snake-oil salesmen get mainstream platforms to spread their deceptions. More below.
“The silly American fear of sharia law,” by Feisal Abdul Rauf, New York Daily News, June 8, 2017:
“Most Americans would be shocked to hear Israel imposes sharia law. But it does for some 60 years.” These are the words of Israeli writer Yossi Gurvitz, opening an article he wrote for +972, an online periodical….
The religious courts belong to the Israeli court system. The Israeli government enforces their decisions. This is called legal pluralism — and Israelis inherit it from the Ottoman Empire.
Why, then, is the very idea of sharia so consistently vilified in our country?…
This is disingenuous in the extreme. Israel may have Sharia courts for private arbitration matters, but that is a far cry from imposing Sharia as a whole upon the whole population. What’s more, Sharia courts that were supposed to be for marriage law and other private matters entered into voluntarily have massively overstepped their authority in Britain, with Sharia judges ruling according to Islamic law without regard for their responsibility to turn over cases that are matters of criminal law to the secular courts. This is a particular problem in spousal abuse cases, since the Qur’an calls for the beating of women “from whom you fear disobedience” (4:34). And such incidents are the only reasons why anyone is concerned about Sharia.
Let’s be clear: America could never have state-sanctioned religious courts. The First Amendment, which prevents government establishment of religion, forbids it.
But Islamic law can and does already operate in America under state sanction. When Muslim Americans are married according to Islamic law by a state-certified officiant of Muslim marriages, and receive in the process a civil certificate of marriage, they have, in effect, practiced Islamic law under official U.S. sanction.
Would the anti-sharia agitators keep Muslim Americans from marrying? Would they keep them from praying, distributing charity, fasting during Ramadan? For Muslim Americans already do all these things at the command of their law.
This is not the point of opposition to Sharia, and Rauf knows that.
Sharia is not about amputations and stoning. These extreme punishments carry over from earlier, biblical law, and such sayings of Jesus as, “If your right hand sins, cut it off” (Matthew 5:30).
Has any sect of Christianity ever interpreted that saying of Jesus as a literal command to amputate hands? No, never. And does Rauf really expect his readers to believe that Saudi Arabia and Iran and other Sharia states, when they amputate limbs and stone people to death, are following Biblical law and not Islamic law? He certainly does take his audience for fools. In reality, both implement Islamic law only, which calls for amputations (Qur’an 5:38) and stonings (numerous hadith; see here) and no religious traditions that revere the Bible carry out amputations or stonings, as they have all developed mainstream interpretative traditions that on various grounds reject literal applications of Torah laws regarding stoning.
Within the history of Islam, they have rarely occurred.
Actually they occur now, on a regular basis, in Saudi Arabia and Iran.
What Islamic law does prescribe are the same do’s and don’ts of the Ten Commandments — the social imperatives most of us recognize whatever our religion.
But what sharia prescribes for criminal acts is in any case irrelevant to America. At the command of the Prophet Muhammad, Muslims the world over obey the law of the land they inhabit, whether that is Egypt, Israel or the United States.
All they perform of sharia in any land is what coheres with the law of that land — as surely Muslim marriage, prayer and philanthropy do with the laws of America.
In an Op-Ed for The New York Times last summer, Harvard Law School Prof. Noah Feldman called sharia “a meaning-making effort.”…
Feldman is notorious for ignoring and omitting all discussion of the aspects of Sharia that discriminate against non-Muslims and others.
PRCS says
With which hand Muslims wipe their butts isn’t.
That Muslims throw human beings to their deaths from tall buildings–per their “religious” beliefs–is.
WPM says
I believe someone is using your name on another thread about Retired Admiral Kirby, check it out.
Frank Cicero says
He is not wanted at Ground Zero nor is he and the rest of them wanted in the USA. They are useless and have contributed zero to this country. Only a civil war will rid them all.
WPM says
PRCS some is using your name on thread Retired Admiral Kirby check it out.
mortimer says
All Muslims are VERBAL JIHADISTS … or they have left Islam. All Muslims practice taqiyya to deny, conceal and disinform about the meaning, the motive and the method of JIHAD-WARFARE against the dirty, disbelieving KUFAAR.
All Muslims pretend that they do not understand the SUPREMACIST NATURE OF SHARIA LAW.
In Pakistan, there is a Council of Islamic Ideology which describes itself as “a constitutional body that advises the legislature whether or not a certain law is repugnant to Islam, namely to the Qur’an and Sunna.” In effect, much of what the Council does is advise about SHARIA LAW.
Sharia law is the CIVIL LAW CODE of the ISLAMIC EMPIRE. It applies to ALL members of the Islamic empire, whether they agree to it or not, whether they vote for it or not.
ibrahim itace muhammed says
Mortimer,you lied.sharia as code of conduct governing the entire life of all those who believe in islam applies to muslims only.there is nowhere it is said that it shall be imposed on those who do not believe in islam.conversely,you have no right to say sharia shall not be applied to muslims in the west because it is not you or your forefather who created the soils there.idiot!!
Raja says
Ibrahim, Just because you are evil and belong the he devil does not mean Mortimer is an Idiot.Mortimer is was Mortimer is.
All devout Muslims believe that the West is full of idiots because the West goes by the rule book. You have no heart for the man on the streets of the West because you are inspired by the devil.Islam is hate filled and evil to the core. Anyways Islam is not a religion but war machine of the devil. Even by pagan standards Islam hardly meets the criteria of a “religion”
ibrahim itace muhammed says
Raja,your name sound like that of barbaric idol worshiping hindus who worship satan appears as a creature with eyes inside eyes and you use sticks to have sex with outcastes. if you are convert to filthy christianity you still worship the same satan you call holy spirit.idiot
occupant9 says
Raja, perfect: “Islam is not a religion but war machine of the devil”
JayT says
Ibrahim of the internet Jihad – Dubai already has imposed Sharia Law upon non-Muslim tourists several times (kissing in public, going to the police stating they were raped and being arrested for adultery instead of arresting the rapists, etc.).
The U.S. State Department’s travel guide to Saudi Arabia outlines the numerous things an American can fall victim under Sharia Law due to conduct. This is based on past experience and begs the question as to why it keeps happening to non-Muslims if you are right on this, which you aren’t.
These events have happened and put the lie to your words. Of course, the unique thing about you Jihadists is the ability to color the world in your own lies to make it truth to yourselves. Ah, since you have zero support for your propaganda on this site, why do you keep posting?
mortimer says
Ibrahim: ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha! You say Sharia is never imposed? Sharia is always IMPOSED. Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha!
Look up the Pact of Omar, Ibrahim. Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha!
Pact of Umar = Treaty attributed to the second caliph, Umar ibn Khattab (d. 644 ), regulating the activities of non-Muslims. Serves as a model for contemporary revivalist groups seeking to control non-Muslim social and religious life.
https://wikiislam.net/wiki/Analysis_of_the_Pact_of_Umar
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pact_of_Umar
http://www.bible.ca/islam/islam-kills-pact-of-umar.htm
http://www.christianitytoday.com/history/issues/issue-74/pact-of-umar.html
Ibrahim, you are a rum joker. Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha!
mortimer says
By the way, ibe, I own a copy of ‘RELIANCE OF THE TRAVELLER’ and have it in pdf form as well. I read it almost every day.
Much of RoT is about KAFIRS and DHIMMIS and SLAVES? Are they Muslims? Nope.
mgoldberg says
In ‘palestine’ they are arresting all people who eat during ramadan. Does that sound like it only applies to muslims? This is of course practices throughout muslim lands and arrests and coercion and worse are used against non muslims. The number of homicides of course goes up during ramadan, and this is across the muslim world. No other religion has such serial killing mentality. And no other religion has lying, as codified self defense against exploring the facts.
occupant9 says
Nice lie. I like the idea that the Sharia, if it’s so benign, be applied in the reverse ONLY to Muhammadans.
You know what that means and there’s no way you’d agree to it because you know the Sharia is ALL ABOUT rules for ALL, especially infidels and kafirs.
Anyhow, you’ve moved to the West, we already have laws … superior laws.
Goddess says
No one or no thing with a single working brain cell will trust a muz. Disgusting subhuman trash isn’t worried about sharia. This trash all needs to die.
mortimer says
OK, enough of that venting. The best opponents of Islam are Sharia proponents who change their minds. Let’s help these blind dupes to leave Islam and join our side.
mgoldberg says
Agreed. These chest pounders don’t help the problem, and we need to solve the propblem, not create another one.
Halal Bacon says
The koran is a cookbook for mental illness
mortimer says
Just google “Abdul Rauf taqiyya” and see how many ‘hits’ you get.
I saw 50,000.
Abdul Rauf is a mendacious, TAQIYYA MEISTER, DISINFORMATIONALIST and TROJAN HORSE BUILDER.
His greatest whopper: Sharia law is compatible with the US constitution. In Imam Feisal’s book “What’s Right with Islam: a New Vision for Muslims and the West (HarperCollins, 2004)” , he suggests that the “American Constitution and system of governance uphold the core principles of Islamic law”.
And if that’s ‘true’, then the US constitution also upholds the Nuremburg laws of Hitler? (sarc/off)
joni says
Mortimer I am a christian, and I would never follow islam, or sharia law! Your own koran says its ok to lie, to further caliphate! Your religion isnt a religion at all, but a theocracy; one that will never take root in America!
Ann says
Israel’s religious courts are not the same as sharia courts. Sharia means “the path that leads to the watering hole,” rules derived from the hadith, the words and actions of Mohammed for the most part, used to create an all-encompassing jurisprudence, recommendations or mandates for every aspect of life. Neither Jews nor anyone else regard Mohammed’s example as a rule to be followed in our own lives. We do not have the sharia or anything resembling it. Our God is not the same as their god, being a God of love for all rather than a self-centered, cruel, arrogant god whose only desire is to be worshipped in a particular way by every person on earth.
mortimer says
INEQUALITY IS THE BASIC PRINCIPLE OF SHARIA LAW:
In the April 9, 2002 issue, The Wall Street Journal published the concept of blood money in Saudi Arabia. If a person has been killed or caused to die by another, the latter has to pay blood money or compensation, as follows.
100,000 riyals if the victim is a Muslim man
50,000 riyals if a Muslim woman
50,000 riyals if a Christian man
25,000 riyals if a Christian woman
6,666 riyals if a Hindu man
3,333 riyals if a Hindu woman
According to this hierarchy, a Muslim man’s life is worth 33 times that of a Hindu woman. This hierarchy is based on the Islamic definition of human rights and is rooted in the Quran and Sharia (Islamic law). How can we talk of democracy when the concept of equality in Islam is nonexistent?
Buford says
This guy does not only sound Satanic he looks it & is a liar & a deceiver just like what the Quran
calls for
Ren says
Taqiyya… lies and lies.
jewdog says
Sharia should never be imposed on anyone, especially non-Moslems, but Sharia is intrinsically domineering because it envisions itself as a universal law by divine right. If Allah says kill blasphemers, he means all of them, not just the ones labeled Muslim. I have never understood why it is so hard for so many Westerners to demand that Sharia not be imposed.
PRCS says
A huge problem.
Shoshonnah says
And lets not forget Muslims do NOT follow the laws of the land. It was a MUSLIM doctor, in the USA, who is accused of mutilating girls in female circumcision. Muslim honor killings certainly violate law. And, while thoughts should not be crimes, Muslims who believe the penalty for theft should be amputation as per sharia run afoul of the 8th amendment; Muslims who believe in death to apostates and blasphemers piss on the First Amendment.
Dawn says
Yeah sure of course he will say it !
Raja says
This man means to say that Sharia Is not a problem per se. for most mankind, though some parts may be objectionable.This is NOTHING but STEALTH jihad AND DECEIT. He is doing everything possible to make the foolish ready for the shot. Here the shot is genocide of all non Muslims.They tried that on Sep 11 and are more at it where ever they are not RESISTED properly, especially in the PC West.
Whenever I try to comment about Islam in Facebook I get deleted in no time It is available for a few minutes to a maximum of one hour, nothing more.Terrorism pays.
mgoldberg says
The reason Rauf quotes Gurvitz ia that Gurvitz refused to give his wife a religious divorce. He was the one who was breaking the law and obstructing his wife, and was so determined by the jewish courts. So… naturally he complains about the oppression of halacha, and Rauf the fraudster uses that as his criticism.
The facts remain… Jewish religious law is only for jews and has no bearing on non jews, unlike the preponderant considerations of Sharia which is to impose upon non muslims special rules for muslims and even to impose them on non muslims. Example: in muslim areas non muslims cannot eat or drink during Ramadan. During Jewish holy times- the month of Elul prior to Rosh hashana and Yom kippur for example, there is no such thing as imposition of others, not even other jews, who don’t observe. And of course no one gets killed during their holy months the way others get slaughtered during the muslim holy month of Ramadan.
Sharia is unlike jewish or catholic law, and it’s impositions upon others including their lying about it and using it for political power over others is obvious, not merely happenstance but ever active and ever present wherever it is allowed beyond mere family observance by muslims
mgoldberg says
Also note, Rauf pretends that Sharia only supports the ten commandments….. nowhere in the Qu’ran or in Islam, are the ten commandments used as in judeo christian ( or for that matter, buddhist, hindhu) ethics.
Islamic ethics are simply this: the ‘perfect’ man, Mohammed has to be emulated in all matters. What Mohammed said was good was good, and what he said was bad is considered bad. It is dualistic. One set of rules for muslims, one for non muslims. And it is biased, bigoted, and in short, sharia is to be applied to all citizens, not merely to muslims. Rauf lies, as usual, and pretends that it has no difference from jewish law.
Marty says
This is ironic since rauf is a professional liar. Deceiving the despicable infidels is not at all prohibited by sharia law.
Donovan Nuera says
Unfortunately, Harvard Law School is going gung-ho to build and strengthen their Islamic Legal Studies Program under Prof. Intisar Rabb and other professors under their SHARIAsource Program. National MAS President (and MoBros booster) Dr. Omeish’s other daughter (not Abrar who tried to cancel Hirsi Ali’s Buckley Society Speech at Yale recently, is working as an undergrad there too. Just click on the faculty and staff bios; mostly Harvard Divinity folks who are “fascinated” with Islamic history…only the “good parts” no doubt. I wish Mr. Spencer would debate these “elite” folks.
newUser says
Taqiyya as usual. I try to avoid anything that has to do with islam and muslims.
Wellington says
As Dr. Warner pointed out in a previous video here at JW, about 35% of Sharia is wrapped up with purely religious matters (e.g., washing before prayers) but around 65% of it is devoted to political and social control of everyone, Muslim and non-Muslim alike. So, it’s the “65% part” that is a menace to all free societies and all non-Muslims and thus anyone asserting that Sharia is harmless to non-Muslims and free societies is either demonstrating their ignorance or their mendacity. No third possibility exists.
mortimer says
Sharia is the civil law of the Islamic Empire and it makes many references to the officers of the empire, including the caliph. A large part of the Sharia manual is devoted to slavery, showing what Islamic society is all about. There is no mention in sharia of elections or an elected council or a constitution. The caliph is the constitution and the parliament and the constitution and Sharia is the law code.
People’s religious practices (including those of dhimmis) are regulated by Sharia.
fido says
A=S
L=A
L=T
A=A
H=N
medaber_emet says
just keep quiet and you will be OK
Dear Robert
i remember that you always give that example
how the sep 11 muslim terrorists told the people on the planes
to stay calm and they will be Ok
Ye right
this fucking imam is bluntly lying and doing Takkiya
Rezali Mehil says
All, Salam….
Yet another day of Islam bashing! … any improvement … no …thought not.
I see CNN, NYtimes , locking your future to ours …the denominator being Islam. The Internet tells us all about sharia and indeed the march towards eventual peace continues.
Imam Rauf is no stranger to this type of abuse from certain peoples from the West. He tells you to remain calm… and it is like a cold shower …the 1st 30seconds is a shock to the system … then you get used to it.
Humanity brains are resilient like that …. so please help the imam by equating sharia to a cold shower…. and spreading this message of the laws of the lord Allah SWT and his messenger Muhammad SAW.
Peace is coming …
More Later
Rezali
duh swami says
If Islam was worth a sht, no one would bash it…You know what you can do with your ugly religion…
mgoldberg says
Rezali- Sharia is an imposition and a tyranny. You are lying, and you are not offering peace but submission
and the Ramadan serial homciding during your holy month marches on. If you had an ounce of honor you would debate honestly, instead, you simply lie. Sharia has nothing to do with a march to peace. It is a march to submission, by it’s own terminology. Now, on day 20 of your Ramadan, there have been 112 Jihad attacks, and 1190 people slaughtered, and thousands injured by Islam. All other religion- zero attacks, and of course none by ‘islamophobes’.
You are a shameless liar.
staffsgt7 says
“One more time: it is a capital crime in Islam (sharia) for a muslim to teach another muslim anything about Islam that is incorrect AND it is obligatory for a muslim to lie to non-muslims when the goal is obligatory – like advancing Islam.
…
“The chasm between Islam and Jahiliyyah (gross ignorance/unbelief) is great, and a bridge is not to be built across it so that the people on the two sides may mix with each other, but only so that the people of Jahiliyyah may come over to Islam.” [Milestones, Sayyid Qutb]
UTT continues to encourage all readers to know, digest, and understand that there is no “version” of Islam which does not mandate war against non-muslims (jihad) until the entire world is under Islamic rule. (MY COMMENT: that means Sufi and Ahmadiyyas who keep telling us they are peaceful just use different tactics of war – most times – but not always)
There is no such thing as “radical Islamic extremism” nor is there a difference between “sharia” and “sharia law.”
All of this is a crafted campaign meant to buy time and keep people from focusing on the threat we face – Islam.”
Quoted from https://www.understandingthethreat.com/utt-throwback-thursday-are-you-still-listening-to-the-imam/
Pr126 says
The vast majority of people will not bother to find out what sharia actually is.
The imam Rauf knows that.
Lydia says
Liar!
We are under the Constitution, there is no place for that here!
Also, on the news the other day I heard them claiming that Trump not allowing immigrants in from those certain countries was ‘illegal’! We are a sovereign nation and can decide who we do and don’t let in! We don’t have to let anyone in if we don’t want to! That is our decision and there is nothing illegal about it! We make those laws because it is our country. That is why they have visa programs and you have to apply before you can come in and they weren’t letting people in from many places for all kinds of reasons. And now there is one of the best reasons of all! But oh, how they bellow over this from the left! It could only be ‘illegal’ if the country were already under some sort of international law that superseded our national sovereignty! Is that what they were saying?!
Lydia says
He is lying!
Lydia says
If the situation in the countries under sharia does not cause a person concern, then they are blind and crazy!
warren raymond says
“At the command of the Prophet Muhammad, Muslims the world over obey the law of the land they inhabit, whether….”
Blah blah…Nonsense. Why are these taqiyya monkeys not called out on their lies? Chapter and verse please! And all of you who pride yourselves in having learned so much over the years, why didn’t you pick that?
Here in Australia the ABC Muslim Yassmin al Magied said the same thing recently, without being questioned about it.
ekbano says
Islam will go creeping back to craphole it came from. Mohomeds own prediction.
Please Lord, let it be soon.
Linnte says
Rauf can go to hell. Blah!
Arthur Simon says
OK, and that hemp noose you see outside is not a threat, but a knot-tying exercise by some people who sponsor boy scout troops.
Trust me.