Who else has he incited to kill? Who in Michigan?
“Preacher Who Helped ‘Radicalize’ London Attacker Lives In Michigan,” by Saagar Enjeti, Daily Caller, June 5, 2017:
A Michigan-based Islamic preacher’s YouTube account may have helped radicalize one of Saturday’s London attackers, a friend of the attacker told BBCNews Asia.
The preacher, Ahmad Musa Jibril, is well known on youtube for preaching sermons that appear to lionize Islamic terrorists fighting in Syria. The friend of the attacker was so concerned by his obsession with the preacher’s sermons, it prompted him to notify the anti-terror police. The attacker and two accomplices killed seven and injured dozens more after plowing a car into a crowd and stabbing passersby before police could gun them down.
“He used to listen to a lot of Musa Jibril. I have heard some of this stuff and its very radical. I am surprised this stuff is still on YouTube and is easily accessible. I phoned the anti-terror hotline. I spoke to the gentleman. I told him about our conversation and why I think he was radicalised,” the friend told BBCNews.
The London attacker’s enamor with Jibril is no surprise. A 2014 Centre for the Study of Radicalisation and Political Violence study found that Jibril’s facebook page was the most popular among European and North American jihadists fighting for the Islamic State. Peter Neumann of the Center said that Jibril “provides the political and theological justification” and “comfort” to jihadists, the Counter Extremism project noted.
Jibril is prohibited from posting on social media after a 2015 violation of his probation but his sermons remain widely disseminated online.
During his 2005 trial the U.S. government alleged that Jibril’s then website “encouraged his students to spread Islam by the sword, to wage a holy war [and] to hate and kill non-Muslims.” The ICSR report characterizes Jibril as a “eloquent, charismatic” and importantly notes that he is fluent in English. “Ahmad Musa Jibril is a subtle, careful, and nuanced preacher,” the report continues.
Jibril is a U.S. citizen of Palestinian descent who holds a degree in Islamic law from Saudi Arabia….
Adrian says
Monitor ALL mosques and Imams. Period.
nomoreislamicstate says
I see you and raise, burn down all mosques and deport all imams.
Eur says
Not enough
Jeanette says
And find out what American authority wants to keep him here, and why.
Roland Clemente says
I agree but charge them as soon as they sound like Rev. Wright, Obama’s pastor.
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Roland Clemente says
Monitor what? Democratic, Bernie etc.. are calling for a Revolution against US government. To resist, persist , enlist vs. USA is sedition and open attack against conservative, capitalism to instill social communist government.
Here are the traitor. To speak against government is ok. To riot, destroy, attack other liberty is fashism, communist propengenda.
Patricia F Koenig says
The London jihadist was reported to the authorities as a radical…but nothing was done about him!
gravenimage says
Jihad preacher who incited London jihad mass murderer to kill lives in Michigan
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I don’t care if he was able to inveigle US citizenship–Ahmad Musa Jibril is no American.
Strip him of his citizenship and deport him.
Here’s more on this Jihadi thug, from over two years ago, by CBS:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i-djWg_03bA
How many other deaths is he responsible for?
And how many more to come?
Francesca says
Isn’t this against the law? Arrest him, strip him of American citizenship, DEPORT HIM!
Paul says
To where? I doubt any Arab country wants him.
Demsci says
well, the West is powerful enough to force some Islamic country to take the West’s proven hostile violent Muslim citizens. By slapping sanctions on refusing countries,
Jeanette says
Why are we even concerned about what any Muslim wants?
Find a desolate place in a Muslim country, and push him out of a plane. If we want to be nice, we can give him a parachute and a canteen of water.
It’s more than he would give us.
As Aragorn said at the Battle of Helm’s Deep in The Lord of the Rings, The Two Towers: “Show them no mercy, for they will show you none.”
This is life or death for western civilization; this is our only chance – we won’t get a “do-over.”
Linnte says
Paul, it doesn’t matter WHERE. Who cares WHERE to deport him to. Test his geneticts then send him to wherever the results say. If that country doesn’t like him there let THEM deport him somewhere else.
Roland Clemente says
Wahabi will love him, send him to Iran.
aDhimmiSaysWhat? says
I would prefer to charge him with treason, and put him in a supermax for life. He can live out his miserable existence sitting in a box with no human contact whatsoever.
Jeanette says
Why should the American TaxVictim be forced to fund decades of life for him?
Execute him, as soon as it is legal.
Westman says
Apparently this guy and his father did an insurance scam that landed him in prison. He was anti-west then.
https://patch.com/michigan/dearborn/feds-go-after-250k-owed-dearborn-cleric-isis-influence
mortimer says
It isn’t PROMOTING GENOCIDE when a KUFAAR-HATING PREACHER like Ahmad Musa Jibril does it !
The hatred of kafirs ‘for the sake of Allah’ is COMPULSORY for ALL Muslims. If a Muslim befriends the dirty KUFAAR, he becomes ONE OF THEM and will consequently GO TO HELL for disobeying Allah.
NO MUSLIM should offer true friendship and love to a dirty KAFIR.
This ‘ESSENTIAL DOCTRINE’ of Islam is called ‘AL WALAA WAL BARAA’ or ‘ISLAMIC APARTHEID’ or KAFIROPHOBIA.
Most Muslims teach their children KAFIROPHOBIA.
Jack Dawkins says
Has the Michigan Chapter of Hells Angels been informed?
TR says
Would not be surprised if it comes to that!
They seem to have assumed the alpha dog mentality
Jeanette says
Maybe we should alert them!
Linnte says
Oooh! Good idea! Actually the Biker group that needs to be contacted is “Fly-in-Wheels”. Hummmm. I still know some of those folks. Used to ride with them in the late 70’s hahahahahahhahaha! I’d never really DO it, but it’s fun to fantasize about!
Steven RSA says
Mungo Park in 1795 could see the truth. “By establishing small schools in the different towns, where many of the Pagan as well as Mohamedan children are taught to read the Koran, and instructed in the tenets of the Prophet, the Mohamedan priests fix a bias on the minds, and form the character of their young disciples, which no accidents of life can ever afterwards remove or alter. Many of these little schools I visited in my progress through the country, and observed with pleasure the great docility and submissive deportment of the children, and heartily wished they had had better instructors and a purer religion.” From Travels In Africa by Mungo Park.
Dan says
The p.c. world has lost all semblance of sanity.
If this were, say, the 1940’s when Hitler was doing his bit, and a person here publicly and continuously announced, “I am a Nazi, I love Hitler,I fully support him and his methods and I’m going to do whatever I can, where ever I can to ensure Hitler takes over this country and the entire world.” the nut would have been beaten to a bloody pulp, and hauled to jail only IF he survived.
Minimum, he would darn sure not have been allowed to roam free.
We EXECUTED spies and insurgents during the Second World War – and Nazis did the exact same thing to ours who had infiltrated their territories – was because “lone wolves” can do insane amounts damage.
The liberals claim there are moderate Muslims, well fine. I could GIVE them that, as long as they would give us, anyone freaking shouting from the roof tops, “I am an Islamist, I love ISIS and I fully support them and their methods and I’m going to do whatever I can, where ever I can to ensure ISIS takes over this country and the entire world.” was thrown into the deepest darkest isolation cell we had.
If we haven’t even got the brains to do that, then Hitler’s only tactical mistake was his timing.
gravenimage says
Dan wrote:
The p.c. world has lost all semblance of sanity.
If this were, say, the 1940’s when Hitler was doing his bit, and a person here publicly and continuously announced, “I am a Nazi, I love Hitler,I fully support him and his methods and I’m going to do whatever I can, where ever I can to ensure Hitler takes over this country and the entire world.” the nut would have been beaten to a bloody pulp, and hauled to jail only IF he survived.
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True, Dan. But just a year earlier this would not have been the case.
There was a great deal of denial about the threat of Hitler and the Nazis–and even praise for Fascism being “modern” and “efficient”.
There were numerous Hitler Youth camps held around the United States in the late 1930s, and the German-American Bund held a huge rally of twenty thousand replete with floor-to-ceiling Swastika flags in a huge public venue in New York City *in 1939*:
“American Nazi organization rally at Madison Square Garden, 1939”
http://rarehistoricalphotos.com/american-nazi-organization-rally-madison-square-garden-1939/
This was not done in secret, but quite openly. Note also the sick attempt to make Fascism appear to be compatible with American values. Glad to say there were some protesters outside–but nowhere near the number who attended.
There are two things we can learn from this, negative and positive–firstly, that denial is grimly nothing new.
But we can also take away the fact that people *can* wake up from denial–as I believe they can now from willful ignorance over the threat of Islam.
Dan says
Yes, I know, and I know it took a few years to get our act together with Hitler, but we did.
Islamists have been doing this for decades now, and we passed the Pearl Harbor moment years ago.
gravenimage says
Grimly true, Dan–all too many in the West have been sleepwalking for over fifteen years now.
Demsci says
Very interesting historical footage, food for thought, thank you GI
jihad3tracker says
Gee Whiz, girls and boys ! Muslim congressman Andre Carson lives in Michigan, too. Maybe some of us can spare a few minutes to email this link to TV stations and newspaper editors there. If anyone reading this has family or friends in Michigan, tell them, suggesting they contact their HOME DISTRICT office, not in ultra-busy Washington DC.
Best way IMHO is a PHONE CALL during quiet after-lunch hours. Politely insist on speaking to the chief of staff, not an overworked clueless young intern, and if he or she is not there, or busy, ask to be transferred to voicemail. Keep remarks short, to the point, and, as a great closer, end with something like “I will be following your statement about this, and ideas you have to fight back against future similar event in our state.”
jihad3tracker says
OOOPS ! Carson represents Indiana. The jihad is flying so fast and furiously now that my ancient brain cannot keep track of which Muslim is doing what — and where.
Jeanette says
There is too much for any single person to keep up with, and I suspect that Robert Spencer is not able to put EVERYTHING on Jihad Watch.
I had a friend who went to law school, and the law students dealt with the impossible amount of required reading by forming study groups and assigning a portion of the reading to each person. Then they met and gave outlines to each other.
We might have to do that, someday soon!
somehistory says
The report from the early hours of this Monday, stated that the UK government is looking at possibly *forcing* major web sites to take down stuff such as this guy posted.
Inciting to riot is a crime. Should not inciting moslums to kill people everywhere be on the law books? This is not *freedom of religion.* This is incitement and encouragement to murder. Their *rights* of religion have a limit…when they infringe on the life*rights* of others.
rubiconcrest says
I would like to see the curriculum for degree in Islamic law from Saudi Arabia. WilkiLeaks where are you?
Jeanette says
+1 !!!
Ace-of-Clubs says
When around 2000 Muslim men assaulted and raped German women on New Year’s Eve 2015 in Cologne and other cities, Angela Merkel was quick to speak to Zuckerberg of Facebook to ask him what could be done to stop reporting of the crimes on social media. And yet Muslim hate-preachers and jihadists are allowed to spout their vile, murderous filth unhindered. The west is committing suicide.
Secret service agents across the west must start killing these hate-preachers off…car accidents, poisonings, that type of thing.
Jeanette says
The West is not committing suicide; it is being murdered by its elitists – we must start being vocal about the guilty elitists. They’ve been getting off far too lightly.
Wellington says
Two brief assessments: 1) Islam is evil, and 2) Muslim sartorial displays are invariably effing ugly; I mean just look at the dude above. Who the hell but a retrograde kind of person would wear such shit? Well, I guess so fitting because Islam has “retrograde” written all over it.
Oh, almost forgot, a third brief assessment. Here it is: Muslims can’t even manage to pray with dignity. No, rather they pray with their butts in the air which is why for years now I have often referred to Muslims as “Buttlims.”
God, how I detest this religion. How the hell can anyone of sense and knowledge not do so I would ask.
Demsci says
Can’t resist the temptation to react “Trumpwise”, Wellington:
No, Islam is not evil or monstrous, they like that description, but it is for LOSERS. Who, pathetically indoctrinated by parents and imams alike, believe in absurd fairytales, and who have some very immoral and stupid morals.
But, who still must be held accountable for their choice of religion/ ideology, as adult humans, as are all of us, and not be cuddled with the “discrimination of lowered expectations”.
Wellington says
Don’t agree with you, Demsci, that Islam is not evil. It surely is and I think I can prove it. Follow me here and by all means refute me if you find any flaw in my argument. Here goes.
I proceed on the assumption that any ideology, organization or institution that singles out groups of human beings in this world for second-class status or death is ipso facto evil. American slavery singled out blacks for second-class status (and of course if they rebelled against this they were beaten or killed). Nazism singled out certain ethnic groups for second-class status or death. Marxism singled out socio-economic groups for violent elimination, i.e., the upper and middle classes. The KKK has singled out blacks and certain others (Jews) for second-class status. Jim Crow in America, while not as bad as slavery, was still bad enough and singled out blacks for a certain type of second-class status, and Islam singles out non-Muslims for second-class status wherever Islam dominates, in effect establishing a Jim Crow system based not on race but on belief.
In fact, for many in the Islamic theological blueprint it isn’t even dhimmi status but death that is intended short of conversion to Islam, for instance Hindus and Buddhists. My God, Islam’s holy book is about 60% dedicated to despising and reviling non-Muslims in this world, examples being Suras 60:4 and 98:6. In Islam there are ten unclean things. One of them is dogs and pigs. Another is urine and feces. And yet another is the kuffaar, the non-Muslim. Yes, in Islamic theology non-Muslims are the equivalent of human waste. And should non-Muslims reject what Islam preaches they are entitled to death. Good God, if all this isn’t evil, then what the hell is it?
So you see, Islam, per my way of thinking, is no better than Nazism, Marxism, et al. The only real difference between all these heinous ideologies, organizations or institutions I mentioned above (and there are more) is that the grouping element varies from one to another.
Finished. Your turn if you care. Hope you are doing well. Good to read your posts here at JW.
Demsci says
Thank you Wellington. I was playful, “Trumpian” almost. But wrong. Yes, Islamic theology does “single out” for bad to very bad treatment divers human categories and therefore of course is evil.
Our own pluralistic values and tenets indeed are better.
I confess I sometimes make the mistake of the political corrects and then judge Muslims and then Islam, on Muslims nice behavior. But David Wood the other day said that he judged a religion on it’s teachings, or theology as you did so well above.
Wellington says
You’re welcome, Demsci. I have longed maintained that an ideology should be judged by what it says and never by the fact that some adherents of that ideology don’t fully implement its tenets or wrongly implement them. One could have gone back to Nazi Germany in the 1930s and found some nice Nazis in their daily life—–teachers, lawyers, businessmen, etc. who themselves didn’t want to start a war or put Jews in a gas oven but this wouldn’t have made Nazism OK. Ditto for Marxists, a few of whom I have known through my life and were nice people, even share their last meal with you, but this would never make Marxism all right. Conversely, one can find some Christians who are hypocrites but you shouldn’t judge Christianity on this basis. And so on. And, as gravenimage noted, you can be a loser without being evil, though I consider ALL Muslims losers, some evil as well, and their creed most definitely evil for the reason I already outlined to you. Take good care.
BTW, I voted for Trump and am proud I did so. Whatever his flaws, he stands head and shoulders above people like Merkel, May, Trudeau and Macron. Right now he is the most powerful force for freedom in all the world and one knows this or should know it. By contrast, his immediate predecessor in the Oval Office was the worst President in American history and oozed weakness to the world.
gravenimage says
Demsci wrote:
Can’t resist the temptation to react “Trumpwise”, Wellington:
No, Islam is not evil or monstrous, they like that description, but it is for LOSERS.
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I’m not meaning to pile on, Demsci, but I have to agree with Wellington here.
There are lots of ideas that are for losers that are not monstrous in and of themselves (although some can do a fair amount of harm) that fall well short of evil: sponging off welfare or off relatives, magical thinking, pinning your hopes on winning the Lotto or the Irish Sweepstakes, believing in phantom talents (like the person who can’t sing a note but is certain rock super-stardom is just around the corner), pyramid schemes, assorted low level scams and petty crime, stupid cults, faking your own death to avoid paying back taxes, etc etc etc–but Islam really is pure evil.
It is savage, sadistic, and utterly barbaric–if Islam is not evil then nothing is.
underbed cat says
An imam reads and teaches the Quran, his preaching would not be different than other mosques. If they teach the doctrine it is radical. So he broadcasts the message and they do not know who responds or do they know the individual and they communicate.
Do we need cease all new mosques building in the U.S as an emergency move for security.
Paul N Silas says
Hang this POS from a tall tree, problem solved
Lon Spector says
And this is the SCUM that we allow to blow up our daughter’s to bits and to sexually enslave?
Why oh, why is the Western world so anixious to commit suicide? Is the quality of our lives THAT
bad? Will Shria be an improvement? Think of ANY form of art and inspiration under shira.
They take hammers to statues. Imagine the Beatles playing “Can’t Buy Me Love,” in a Muslim
country. They’d have bandanas around their heads and AK-47s slung over their shoulders.
The women-if allowed-would be dressed in funeral shrouds.
Jeanette says
No, this is the scum that OUR ELITES allow to blow up our daughters and to sexually enslave them.
The elites are murdering western civilization, probably so that it will be easier for them to install their World Government. They are using Muslims as mercenaries in the elimination of westerners.
We’ve been letting the guilty elites off for a long time. It’s time to start shouting their part in this evil from the rooftops.
Laura Y says
Ahmad Musa Jibril is one of the Terror-vangelists. Dr. Zakir Naik is the other one. Who glorifies terrorists like Osama Bin Laden and states that Every Muslim must be a terrorist. Says, If they are fighting the U.S. then a Muslim should support them(terrorists).
Here is one of his videos…
How Zakir Naik is creating Islamic Terrorists with Dawah
gravenimage says
I wish there were just two, Laura–but there are many, many more Muslim terror preachers.
Sarah says
Good Lord, that idiot looks like the classic stereotype menacing Arab Muslim.
All you need is a cartoon depiction of him with him, looking exactly like that with his evil looking eyebrows and face, giving chase after a young White girl with blonde ponytails, in a red gingham check dress – she running in fear and horror, her little face all wide eyed and open mouthed; he chasing behind, both hands outstretched into claws, tongue lolling at the edge of his grinning slash of a mouth, his robes flapping in the wind behind him.
I do not know why, but that very image popped immediately into my head when I saw the picture of him, smirking sadistically at the start of the article.
Kurt says
And give him an erection to top it off.
Sarah says
I just threw up in my mouth at that hehe.
True, that would top it off, a tent in his robes while he scampers after her.
Jeanette says
I saw a cartoon of Mohammed and Aisha at six – she was holding a little doll and his erection was apparent even under his white “nightie.”
WPM says
Its a cartoon religion everything they do is over the top prays, screaming , no self control in dealing with any kind of angry. All bluster ,ego, pig head pride, never taking blame for any personal failure, no self reflection , a terrible way to go threw life. That is why no moslem nation advances beyond anything but war. Loyal to tribe only, when no Christians, Jews , Hindus , Buddhists, around they fight tribe to tribe Sunni Shite, Kurd ,ect. till the end of time. They have everything like one big circus side show ,many wives ,sex slaves rapes beheadings, suicide camps for the kids ,woman wrap up in cloth coffins the men beat them like rented mules.. They are a sad lot no art music, jokes ,the only emotions are angry ,rage ,lust and vengeance for small or imaged wrongs. That Koran and the stories in the Hadith following them and trying to be like the perfect man Mohammed will cause mental illness.
abad says
Shut down that mosque in Michiganstan and deport him.
davej says
Drone him and all others like him. We have the technology – lets use it.
Brownie says
Is this hate speech or does that only apply to white guys?
jewdog says
Man, I really hate those Michigan jihadis.
Tara says
The UK is destroyed. There was just one sane note: Theresa Mayer actually called out “Islamist extremists” and said “Enough is enough.” She sounded tough. The wily Sadiq Khan lost no time in attempting to dilute May’s message by hinting at the distance between his Islam and terrorism. Really? They are all birds of a feather. And soon after, the imbeciles in the media have followed trying to normalize an act of barbaric terror. How many more terrorist incidents will it take for the UK and Europe to come to their senses? The west is immensely naive in tackling Islamic terror.
gravenimage says
I’m afraid Theresa May’s message was not really all that tough.
Jeanette says
And she went back to her office to sign the order to allow the next wave of invading Muslims into Britain.
She’s a liar, as all of the globalist elites are.
Wellington says
May is abominable and has learned nothing. She’s still spouting the nonsense that terrorism has nothing to do with Islam when, in fact, the reputed founder of Islam himself said, “I have been made victorious with terror.” {Bukhari Hadith 4.52.220}
May sane and tough? Good God, if May is the best Britain can do Britain’s over.
gravenimage says
Wellington, I just meant May saying “things need to change” is not as tough as some hopeful people seem to think.
Wellington says
I knew what you meant, gravenimage. My response was to Tara and not to you. You were just more diplomatic and euphemistic in the way you put things.
Marty Trout says
Where in Michigan? Dearborn?
gravenimage says
Yes–seriously, yes. This should surprise no one.
Norger says
This is surreal. “A US citizen of Palestinian descent.” The harvest of unrestricted Islamic immigration. They will (and are) use our own freedoms against us, to “sabotage [our] miserable house from within.”
Daniel Greenfield had a quote from this man’s web site, urging Muslims that their “heart must contain nothing but HATE to all kuffars….Not just plain hate it must be the peak of hate….” Al Wara Wal Bara. This is the mindset that allows someone to drive a van into a crowd of strangers and jump out with a knife, stabbing everyone in sight. And the hate preacher who inspired this came not from Saudi Arabia, Syria, Iraq (or some other Islamic hellhole) but from the US.
We are in deep sh*t.
Michael says
If there’s anyone in Michigan reading this, could you please close with Jibril and see that some lawful harm comes to him?
Michael says
Maybe a local biker group could abduct him and force him to ride a pig through the streets.
Tiempo says
And the Jihad preacher who incited that Jihad preacher lived in Mecca and Medina.
David says
I say a bunch of lady boys! Walk into a mosque and waer are bikinis. and yell at the top of are voices! We are tranvestite Muslims male dancers! See use belly dance!
Ray Terris says
Our definition of war must be updated. Go after all media and social pages that allow this type of talk of newly defined war!!!
ANY TALK OF TERRORIST ACTS AND RECRUITMENT FOR MURDER MUST BE SHUT DOWN…
Just think about the KKK they operate still but are shunned and shut down at every incitefull turn. Why on earth do they have magazines or Any other form of publication including electronic!!!
Roland Clemente says
Totalitarian reaction is the wrong way. Enforce existing laws is the right way.
Our problem is the infection of liberal political judges that think that laws are suggestions and Constitution a stepping stone.
It is of no wander that Liberalism took over every lawyer producing and teachers producing schools.
85%of Appeal courts have been in liberal control. There is no God, right or wrong, good or bad when Absolutes are replaced by Relativism.
Bernie says
Have they picked this guy up yet? If not, why not? Isn’t illegal to incite terrorism and murder?