Former State Department spokesman John Kirby slammed President Trump on Monday for employing a mostly military approach to combating extremism and radicalism rather than getting at the root causes.
Kirby should try to lecture Israel with his advice about not “killing your way out of terrorism,” in regard to its defensive wars in 1948, 1967 and 1973. Kirby should also consider the war of the Allies against Hitler’s Nazi machine. There is a time and place for just war.
Instead of physical war, Kirby advises using a “multifaceted” strategy and “getting at the root causes of extremism and terrorism,” which he identifies as “poverty and human rights and corruption overseas.” Kirby’s strategy is based on falsehoods: he wrongly assumes that if you somehow fix the problems of poverty and corruption, then you will fix the problem of jihad terror. He refuses to admit that this war is an Islamic jihad against the West, with its justifications rooted in Islamic texts. It has nothing to do with anything else but conquering the infidel. Poverty and corruption are extraneous issues.
A better multifaceted approach to jihad terror in addition to the physical war would involve a tougher immigration policy, which Trump is trying to implement, as well as monitoring the preaching in mosques: far too many have been spreading hate and jihadist messages. It would also involve cracking down on organizations linked to the Muslim Brotherhood.
“Retired admiral: You can’t kill your way out of a terrorism problem”, by Olivia Beavers, The Hill, June 12, 2017:
Former State Department spokesman John Kirby slammed President Trump on Monday for employing a mostly military approach to combating extremism and radicalism rather than getting at the root causes.
“You cannot kill your way out of a terrorism problem,” Kirby said on CNN’s “New Day.” “We can hit these guys as often as we want and as aggressively as we want, but we are never going to kill the problem of terrorism.”
Kirby said the president and his team primarily speak about terrorism in “very aggressive, military terms.”
“But when you listen to President Trump and his surrogates talk about terrorism, and the threat — and the very real threat that it poses, you hear that talk about it almost in purely militaristic terms — in very aggressive, military terms,” the retired Navy rear admiral said.
“And I don’t see a comprehensive, cohesive, you know, multifaceted strategy in the works right now,” Kirby added.
Kirby said the White House is only talking minimally about how to get to the root causes of why people radicalize.
“There’s very little discussion about getting at the root causes of extremism and terrorism — working on issues of poverty and human rights and corruption overseas — and that’s a real problem here, because this is a generational conflict.”
The former State Department spokesman said the fight against terrorism is going to continue “for a much longer time.”
“We’ve been at this now for at least 16 years — very aggressively on the ground. We are going to be at it for a much longer time.”
Trump signed a memorandum in January giving military leaders 30 days to come up with “comprehensive plan to defeat ISIS.”……
Wakeup says
Another one smoking crack.
PRCS says
He is correct.
PRCS says
The Admiral is correct.
kessler says
Indeed. When I read “getting at the root causes of extremism and terrorism” I was hoping for the next bit to be “such as identifying and countering motivating religious ideology fuelling terrorism”, but no – the same old leftist fingerpointing and victimhood tactics. It’s getting really damn tiring.
PRCS says
Not every act of terrorism, not every terrorist is motivated by religion.
mortimer says
PRCS wrote: “Not every act of terrorism, not every terrorist is motivated by religion.”
Agree with that overgeneralized claim in general. However, SPECIFICALLY, in the case of Islamic terrorism, ALL Islamic terrorism is caused by the AL WALAA WAL BARAA…the Islamic jihad motivation of RELIGIOUS BIGOTRY.
You do not seem to understand the motivation of Muslims, the ‘ESSENTIAL’ teaching of AL WALAA WAL BARAA… the religious duty of hating kafirs ‘FOR THE SAKE OF ALLAH’.
Without a mastery of the doctrine of AL WALAA WAL BARAA, neither you nor Adm (ret’d) Kirby are able to understand Islam.
Here are links to explain AL WALAA WAL BARAA :
http://acdemocracy.org/islam-and-the-other-the-al-wala-wal-bara-doctrine/
https://ore.exeter.ac.uk/repository/bitstream/handle/10871/9181/AliM.pdf?sequence=1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a6OrhLqo8zI
Aussie Muslims teach kids to hate non Muslims
PRCS please form your own judgment about AL WALAA WAL BARAA after you do this homework.
mortimer says
The source of Islamic terrorism: INDOCTRINATION OF CHILDREN
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HwcVhrzd9vw
PRCS says
Will killing that little girl end the problem?
mortimer says
PRCS, I don’t know who you are. You are not too swift. Ideology is the problem.
LEARN ABOUT THE IDEOLOGY.
It is called AL WALAA WAL BARAA.
DO YOUR HOMEWORK.
No Western country is doing ABSOLUTE DEPROGRAMMING.
ABSOLUTE DEPROGRAMMING of Muslims is the answer.
PRCS says
That is correct, Mort.
As it relates to Islam—it’s the ideology.
Now, how will we kill our way out of that, Swifty?
Arthur says
Well, in a sense, war is always the defeat of an opposing ideology.
How did we defeat German national socialism? We killed them until they decided it was no longer a good ideology to follow.
How did we defeat the Barbary pirates, who took ships and sailors hostage? We killed them until they decided it was no longer a good ideology to follow.
It would work the same today if we had the stomach for it.
PRCS says
National Socialism isn’t the product of a “Holy” book.
Yes, the United States Navy/Marine Corps did defeat the Barbary Pirates–but not Islam.
gravenimage says
PRCS wrote:
Not every act of terrorism, not every terrorist is motivated by religion.
………………………..
This is true, PRCS. But most terrorism in the world today is Jihad terror, and all Jihad terror is motivated by Islam.
PRCS says
I always try to only say things that are true.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_designated_terrorist_groups
Summer at Lake Merritt, yet?
I miss sailing in the estuary and Oakland/Alameda area.
gravenimage says
PRCS wrote:
I always try to only say things that are true.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_designated_terrorist_groups
…………………………….
Yes, PRCS–let’s take a look at that list, shall we? Firstly, far more than nine out of ten terror groups *are Islamic*.
Then, of the remaining ones, many are barely active. There are some Communist groups and a few localized “liberation” groups, including a few vestigial Irish ones. For instance, the Continuity Irish Republican Army has an estimated 50 members, and has been responsible for a single death, a police officer, some years back. Not to take anything away from the tragedy to this man and his family, but for Islam this is a slow day.
In fact, the horrific counter on the right of this page has now topped 31,000 Jihad terror attacks just since 9/11–most with multiple fatalities.
It is clear that Jihad terror is the greatest terror threat in the world today, by a *huge* margin.
More:
Summer at Lake Merritt, yet?
I miss sailing in the estuary and Oakland/Alameda area.
…………………………….
PRCS, the lake is lovely. I live within easy walking distance, and pass by it on most days.
It would be even easier to enjoy were it not for the omnipresent threat of Jihad terror.
PRCS says
“Not to take anything away from the tragedy to this man and his family”
Finally, you see the light.
“It is clear that Jihad terror is the greatest terror threat in the world today, by a *huge* margin.”
But not–as you’ve already agreed–the only one.
No, not an apologia for Islam. Just pointing out that in addition to being terrorized by Muslims, human beings suffer from other terrorist organizations, too, and some of their activities affect us right here at home.
gravenimage says
Some people die from infections from splinters–does that mean we should consider splinters killers along the lines of cancer and heart disease?
Really, I have no idea why you are so intent on minimizing the threat of Islam. You hadn’t used to be like this.
PRCS says
You’re still an idiot, GI.
gravenimage says
How does opposing the horror of Jihad terror make me an idiot?
PRCS says
Read you own preachy posts, clown.
Got an opinion you want to share, fine.
Want to chastise or lecture me? Then fuck off.
Tired of it.
gravenimage says
I have read my own posts. Still not sure why you think opposing Jihad terror makes me an idiot.
somehistory says
g,
My thought is: he has some sort of hero-worship going on with kirby. He has all of kirby’s stats: how long military, what college courses, when at the state dept., etc.
Since kirby didn’t specifically name the terrorists, blah, blah,blah, pcrs doesn’t like any comment that does name or that focuses on islum as the one to see as the main source of terror, however remote the possibility other groups might become really active and make their goals the same as moslums..
He just can’t see that anyone can disagree with the admiral, no matter how wrong the guy might be, or that he just is not naming islum. So anyone who has disagreed with him, is disagreeing with the admiral and that just won’t do. Therefore the insults and name calling.
gravenimage says
Certainly could be, Somehistory. I hesitate to speculate.
PRCS says
No, GI, you have NOT hesitated to speculate.
That’s the problem.
You’re not “opposing jihad terror”.
You’re preaching and lecturing.
For that reason, you’re an idiot.
You didn’t used to be that way.
The question is “why”?
How’s that sound?
gravenimage says
How many of the Anti-Jihadists here has PRCS turned on at this point? Very troubling.
Daniel Triplett says
He’s picked a fight with just about everyone.
Watching his complete meltdown is getting entertaining.
PRCS says
GI has done this with many people here.
Accusing them of not being anti jihad enough.
The no true Scotsman routine.
Her posts to me, on this thread, demonstrates that she’s not here to offer an opinion, but to lecture.
I have politely asked her to not do that to me in the past.
And Daniel, how about that question I asked?
Daniel Triplett says
Already answered, in the post where you asked it.
Frank Cicero says
Does he really know more than General Mattis ? The root of must be pulled from the ground for they are the weeds among the flowers. Shoot first questions later !
PRCS says
It’s gotten so bad with you that if I were to say fatal traffic accidents are killing more people than last you’d say “but not as many as Islam”.
We’re done.
gravenimage says
Actually, PRCS, this is pretty standard apologia for those sneering at the threat of Jihad.
Here’s one of many:
“What’s many times more deadly than terrorism? Britain’s roads”
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/nov/25/deadly-terrorism-britain-roads-security-risk
There are several problems with this, obviously. Firstly, one can argue at some point in the 1930s that more Jews in Germany died in traffic accidents in than were killed by Nazis.
This was true–until it wasn’t anymore.
The implication that because we live with traffic accidents that we should live with violent Jihad terrorism doesn’t hold water for several reasons.
Firstly, we are *not* just living passively with traffic fatalities, as you appear to believe. Innovations like seat belts and air bags have made surviving traffic accidents much more likely. Road design is safer. Driving under the influence is illegal, and those who do so can lose their licenses or even face jail terms.
The fact is that traffic fatalities peaked in the US in the 1970s–even though population was *much* lower than it is now. In other words, per capita traffic fatalities have been *dropping* for some time now.
The fact is that traveling has *always* been dangerous, whether we were traveling by train, by carriage, or on foot.
But yes–driving *is* dangerous. So why do we keep doing it?
Because traveling has also always been generally advantageous for us, ever since our hunter-gatherer days.
In contrast, not only is Jihad terror not dropping, it is *skyrocketing*. Just twenty years ago, Jihad terror basically did not exist in the West.
Now it has become grimly commonplace–more so all the time.
And while, whatever its dangers, traveling has always been broadly beneficial for us, of what *possible* benefit could Jihad terror be to anyone save a pious Muslim who wants to see Infidels submit to Islam?
PRCS says
There ‘ya go again.
Miss pontification.
You’re a psychopath.
I just can’t get that sneer off my face.
PRCS says
You didn’t use to be like this,
I’m just loathe to speculate why you’ve changed.
Hey, Fred, whadaya think–is she a loose canon or what.
One of my grandchildren is coming over this weekend. I’m giving her $5 to verbally abuse me, as you and I will be severing our years long, tumultuous relationship.
Not because I want to.
But because I damn well want to.
gravenimage says
Actually, PRCS, everything I said in my post above is quite rational. How does any of this make me a “psychopath”?
And what exactly are you sneering at that I said? That Jihad is increasingly a threat, or something else?
And I’m not even going to ask who “Fred” might be.
PRCS says
O.K.
I take it back.
I have noticed lately, after reviewing many of my posts, that I truly have been whitewashing Islam and distracting from it ever more frequently.
I feel so bad.
PRCS says
So were the actions of that lady in Misery.
Bill says
No, I do not think so. This is elitist speak. He knows exactly what he wants; something like this:
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2017/06/macron-hopes-put-france-permanent-state-emergency/
Yep, a “multifaceted approach” that has government controlling its citizens and stripping away their basic civil rights and nations in permanent states of emergency..
This is what the muslim invasion is all about. Turning citizens to serfs and letting a handful of authoritarian politicians and their media propagandists and a handful of corporate financiers.
john spielman says
I think he’s smoking OUT OF HIS CRACK! as all he said, we kindly refer to, as flatus!
PRCS says
Because you obviously don’t know what’s going on in this thread, but continue to drone on about my not being anti-Islam enough for you.
I don’t have to meet your standard and am not going to allow you to continue to make false accusations against me without a forceful response.
We’ve had this conversation before.
George says
The “root” problem is the demonic Qur’an and Evil in the hearts of mankind. Combined you get Islam.
That is the “root” Problem.
mortimer says
George wrote: “root problem” …
The Koran’s 164 Jihad Verses: K 002:178-179, 190-191, 193-194, 216-218, 244; 003:121-126, 140-143, 146, 152-158, 165-167,169, 172-173, 195; 004:071-072, 074-077, 084, 089-091, 094-095,100-104; 005:033, 035, 082; 008:001, 005, 007, 009-010, 012, 015-017, 039-048,057-060, 065-075; 009:005, 012-014, 016, 019-020, 024-026, 029,036, 038-039, 041, 044, 052, 073, 081, 083,086, 088, 092, 111, 120, 122-123; 016:110; 022:039, 058, 078; 024:053, 055; 025:052; 029:006, 069; 033:015, 018, 020, 023, 025-027, 050; 042:039; 047:004, 020, 035; 048:015-024; 049:015; 059:002, 005-008, 014; 060:009; 061:004, 011, 013; 063:004; 064:014; 066:009; 073:020; 076:008
c matt says
Exactly. Get rid of Islam, get rid of 80% of terrorism (there will always be some terrorism for other political agendas)
PRCS says
You are correct.
The Admiral said “terrorism”, not Islam.
As you note, “there will always be some terrorism for other political agendas.”
And with a billion+ Muslims worldwide, we “filthy kuffar” aren’t going to kill our way out of THAT terrorism.
Flavius Claudius Iulianus says
The admiral is half right. You can’t solve the problem without knowing the root cause. He thinks it’s poverty and alienation. This site repeatedly presents evidence and studies that debunk this kumbaya myth. Mohammadism is the root cause.
The admiral (and you) are ignorant of basic history. The fourteen hundred years of Mohammadian history have shown conclusively that what works is:
– A strong and prepared military.
– A martial attitude towards Mohammadians. They only respect strength and will attack weakness.
– An absence of infighting, that is, a united front.
– Well guarded borders.
– Keeping the Mohammadian population under 5%; ideally at zero.
You and the admiral seemed to think that negotiation and appeasement are the way to deal with this enemy. Horseshit!
Here is a recent example of success through strength: Austria just passed an anti-burqua law. In the face of strength Mohammadians backed down. The result:
https://www.rt.com/news/392285-austria-imams-condemn-isis/
Again, Mohammadians only respect strength.
PRCS says
Flavious,
The Admiral’s Undergraduate degree is in history.
“He thinks it’s poverty and alienation”
I apparently missed where he was specifically referring to Islam with that statement.
And your assumption about my personal knowledge of basic history is just another ignorant assumption.
You’re not clairvoyant. You can’t read people’s minds.
Flavius Claudius Iulianus says
An additional point I failed to mention in my list:
– Refrain from all interactions with the “dar al islam”. Mohammadism is a contact poison.
By the way, you are correct, I can’t read people’s minds but I can read their written words. If you agree with the admiral then you share in his error. And an arts degree majoring in history does not make for a historian.
My error is in calling this history, basic. It isn’t; it’s been heavily salted with taqqiya and confusion.
His words are, “working on issues of poverty and human rights and corruption overseas.” Sounds about the same to me. Only a pedant would disagree.
What I find curious is that you are taking on all comers in this thread. And specifically this thread. I wonder why. I wonder aloud who’s behind the “PRCS” …..
PRCS says
No, your primary error was to assume—as have so many here– that the Admiral must be referring to Islam with the “working on issues of poverty, human rights and corruption overseas” line—though he never mentioned Islam or Muslims (nor– despite your fantasy, appeasement and negotiation with “this” or any other enemy) and your idiotic—out of the blue–assertion that he and I are ignorant of basic history.
So, now you CAN read minds?
Yes, there are many countries where citizens laboring under the yoke of government imposed hardships of poverty, denied human rights and corruption have, do, and will rise up against the governments who label them terrorists.
I can think of a few in which that “terrorism” had nothing to do with Islam then or now.
You, on the other hand, are full of assumptions, misinformation, and yourself.
Who am I? JW/DW reader since 2004 who doesn’t suffer confused fools, like you, gladly.
mortimer says
How stupid is Kirby? Or how BRIBED is Kirby by Gulf oil money? I think the latter.
Kirby cannot be unaware of the JIHAD DOCTRINE of RELIGIOUSLY-MANDATED WARFARE against the dirty disbelieving KUFAAR.
He certainly doesn’t believe the ‘GRIEVANCE THEORY’ that he spouts. If he does believe that, HE IS A CERTIFIABLE MORON.
More likely, Kirby is heavily bribed by the Soddy Barbarians.
PRODOS says
Mortimer writes:
“He certainly doesn’t believe the ‘GRIEVANCE THEORY’ that he spouts. If he does believe that, HE IS A CERTIFIABLE MORON.”
I vote for CERTIFIABLE MORON.
I think he really does believe what he’s saying.
Of course, a little bit of mulla from the Mullahs doesn’t hurt.
That kind of money is used to help fund the stupid.
Non-stupid people are not eligible.
Only stupid people are eligible.
The Soviets did it that way too.
They identified the morons, then cultivated them.
PRCS says
He said “multifaceted” strategy.
You have a better plan?
Keys says
If the “multifaceted strategy” to defeat Islamic terrorism does not include killing terrorists and annihilating their safe havens, it is doomed to fail.
Disagree, PRCS ?
PRCS says
He said terrorism, not Islam.
And that we can’t kill our way out of the terrorism problem.
Killing is but one facet of that multifaceted strategy.
We could kill every living thing in Cuba, and Communism would still exist.
mortimer says
Kirby has no plan but to continue the APPEASEMENT strategy based on his erroneous ECONOMIC GRIEVANCE THEORY.
Kirby’s theory is debunked by the testimony of jihadists who are maily well-off and well-educated with good prospects of future success and promotion.
The Marxist ECONOMIC GRIEVANCE THEORY promoted by Kirby is erroneous and cannot work because the REAL grievance is the SALAFIST THEORY called ‘AL WALAA WAL BARAA’.
Google it.
Learn it.
Master it.
Work at it.
PRCS says
You’re concentrating on Islam.
The Admiral wasn’t.
gravenimage says
PRCS, you seem enraged over the idea that some Jihadists might be killed. I’m not sure why this angers you so much?
PRCS says
GI–
Read the article, and then the thread.
This is about what the Admiral said vs what people want to hear.
Enraged? C’mon.
Get real.
gravenimage says
PRCS, you have posted over and over again on this thread, clearly upset that some people might–as you see it–conflate Islam with terrorism.
But not only does Islam teach terrorism, but most terror groups–as you yourself confirmed with your link–are indeed Islamic groups.
PRCS says
No, GI.
Over and over again that many posters are associating Islam, and Islam alone, with the word terrorism.
I don’t know how you’ve gotten that so backwards.
PRODOS says
Robert Spencer writes:
“Kirby’s strategy is based on falsehoods: he wrongly assumes that if you somehow fix the problems of POVERTY and CORRUPTION, then you will fix the problem of jihad terror.”
Actually, the Islamic world CAN fix poverty and corruption. By leaving Islam.
Islam has no productive power.
It is hostile to creative thinking, questioning, and independent action. Even to Free Will itself.
Islam equips its followers for plunder and enslavement. For the conquest of the productive.
Leave Islam and you end Jihad and poverty and corruption.
You’re welcome.
mortimer says
What Prodos observes about the DYSFUNCTIONALITY of Islamic societies is known to all Muslims. They clearly see the dysfunctionality and LEAVE Islamic societies at their first opportunity.
However, they fail to leave Islam. Based SOLELY on the observation that Islam produces FAILED SOCIETIES & COUNTRIES, Muslims should be leaving and abandoning Islam massively and WITH CONFIDENCE.
PRODOS says
mortimer writes:
“Based SOLELY on the observation that Islam produces FAILED SOCIETIES & COUNTRIES, Muslims should be leaving and abandoning Islam massively and WITH CONFIDENCE.”
They should indeed!
Both God & Reason support this.
Islam is a crippling, ugly, unpleasant, boring thing.
And full of so much disappointment.
All the empty promises, dead ends, endless heartache, wasted time, lost human potential, squandered money.
Muslims! Become beautiful. Leave Islam. It will be good.
Make the Middle East Great Again.
Monty says
Logic and reason say leave. There is nothing logical or reasonable about Islam. It’s not that easy either. Those who leave incur a death sentence. Logic would say to North Koreans that their leader is a monster who should be overthrown. Not happening.
PRODOS says
Monty points out that:
“Logic and reason say leave. There is nothing logical or reasonable about Islam. It’s not that easy either. Those who leave incur a death sentence. Logic would say to North Koreans that their leader is a monster who should be overthrown. Not happening.”
Hard to disagree with this, given the current and recent state of things.
Yet bad people and bad institutions do get overthrown, which proves they CAN be overthrown.
It took a long, long time, enormous efforts, and a horrific War, to finally end the institution of slavery in the USA. But it got done.
I believe Muslims SHOULD leave Islam and that they CAN do it.
The death penalty for Apostasy is a big problem.
An even bigger problem is the extent of delusion and appeasement across the Kafir world — and the punishments inflicted on those who discuss Islam honestly and openly.
These Dhimmis also need to be replaced and can be replaced.
I find it difficult to feel pessimistic about any of this.
Just my thoughts, for what they’re worth. 🙂
gravenimage says
True, PRODOS.
medaber_emet says
what the hell is wrong with all those people
admirals generals ministers they all live in la la land
I suggest that some one should volunteer to give that moron a hard kick to the head
may be it will start work properly after a decent impact
this willful ignorance is getting out of control
its not funny anymore
Phil Copson says
These people aren’t in important positions because they know better; they think that they know better because they are in important positions.
WPM says
I think a large suitcase of money or some off shore accounts open in his or his family name has him shilling this nonsense. If it were true Islamic believes living a good life in the West would not be trying to kill the golden goose of the West. America and much of Europe have taken in many immigrants for poor countries most work hard and try to fit in the exception is the Moslems .You do not have Hindus in England running around and stabbing people in there gods name. You do not have Buddhist driving planes into skyscrapers in New York in Buddha name. You do not have Mexicans in LA shooting up co workers in Christ name. Whats the Admirals solution we give a lot of money take them into our countries buy them bright new “things” we have doing that for the last +30 years it has not worked. Would we let Nazis build halls here in the West to spread their cult? Would we let them immigrant here without vetting them that they would follow our laws our rules? Deport the ones that do not, if you have a imam screaming that his followers should be killing Jews that Christians and non believers should be killed shut him down. Use laws to take away building and property from terrorist supports.
Mitch says
The “root cause” of our trouble with jihad is ignorance of Islam, throughout our government, of the kind demonstrated by John Kirby.
Santa Voorhees says
“The former State Department spokesman said the fight against terrorism is going to continue “for a much longer time.”
Yes, and that is because it is YOU that do not get to the root causes of the problem you fucking dick!
Infidel lives matter says
Absurd lies repeated are still absurd lies. Do you have one single example of ” poverty and human rights and corruption overseas” leading to terrorism, Kirby? I didn’t think so. If poverty really leads to terrorism shouldn’t we be monitoring the hobos? You’re a Povertyphobe, Kirby.
PRCS says
Venezuela.
gravenimage says
PRCS, the main problem in Venezuela is ideology–Communism, in this case.
The poverty and corruption are inevitable results from adherence to this ugly creed.
And then, most of the terrorism that Venezuela is involved with comes from its links to *Islamic terror*–especially Iran and through them Hizb’allah.
And involvement with Iran comes from the top down–Hugo Chavez and his successor. mostly intended to twit the United States.
It is not as though the average Venezuelan is involved with Hizb’allah terrorism.
PRCS says
Didn’t say they were.
Please read my posts before lecturing me and pontificating.
gravenimage says
I have read your posts. They are manifold on this thread–interesting that you are so intent on trying to distract from the ubiquity of Jihad terrorism. Really, the only question is why?
PRCS says
You’re a fucking moron, GI.
Stop using drugs.
You have no fucking idea what you’re talking about.
PRCS says
Given your insistence that Canadian kid was going to crash a stolen single engine airplane into an empty mall at 1 in the morning to kill infidels, you don’t have any business lecturing anyone about anything.
You have become really stupid and way too preachy lately.
Piss off.
Mirit says
“Former State Department spokesman”- what do you expect from former state department people? After being involved in the middle east for decades, they still seem to be completely clueless about Arab Muslim culture.
The only thing Muslims respect, the only way to make Muslims understand you are dead serious – is use brutal force. They do not respond well to tolerance, justifications, understanding or compassion. They respect power. They will only stop their Jihad if they feel threatened. This is how it works in that society. I know so. I live in Israel. But today it is not Israel’s problem or Britain’s problem. It is the free world problem.
It is time the state department start learning the Koran. It is time they read the book
“The Clash of Civilizations and the Remaking of World Order”
by Samuel P. Huntington
WPM says
+1
gravenimage says
Good post, Mirit.
somehistory says
++. Knowledge is power.
Truth Seeker says
Islam IS a Religious WAR.
Why numb skulls like this guy REFUSE to BELIEVE that SINGULAR TRUTH, is BEYOND ALL REASON and is what HAS THUS FAR DOOMED America to FAIL at winning that WAR!
It being a RELIGIOUS WAR does entail what George states above, and with our living in the End Of Days it opens up a Whole New Can Of Worms! In prophecy we find that the scriptures gives the WARNING that Hell is a place where the WORK DYETH NOT, a WORM is a FRAGILE creature and without MOISTURE will Die VIA DEHYDRATION… in Hell a Worm would Stand No Chance, but with GOD we know that ALL THINGS ARE POSSIBLE!
What the worm REPRESENTS is not what the majority of people believe it to be, but once you have the key to what it does mean, an entirely new way of thinking ? is opened up to you. This is true of God and how He teaches through hearing and hearing by the Word of God… His Word. It is what calls sinners unto Repentance, the Forgiven unto Him and an Insatiable Thirst and Hunger for He and that Word “Rivers of Living Water and The Bread of Life”! Once you have that by the Love of God shall He bring You unto His understanding, and No Longer the carnal ways of understanding that only leads mankind in circles of His understanding.
Once you begin to read with understanding you just want to go Deeper and Deeper into The Word of God and into God. Watch as below I show you how with His Word, everything of and the gift of True Understanding and the Knowledge that guides one into the Wisdom of Thee Ages.
Question: “What is the worm that will not die in Mark 9:48?”
Answer: Jerusalem’s ancient garbage dump—a place called Gehenna—was illustrative of the ceaseless agonies of hell. This dump was on the south side of Jerusalem. In Old Testament times, children had been sacrificed to idols there (2 Kings 23:10); in Jesus’ day, it was a place burning with constant fires to consume the waste that was thrown there. The material burned there included everything from household trash to animal carcasses to convicted criminals (Jeremiah 7:31–33). Needless to say, the Jews considered Gehenna a cursed place of impurity and uncleanness.
The word translated “hell” in Mark 9:43 is the Greek word Gehenna, which comes from the Hebrew name for a place called the “Valley of Hinnom.” Jesus uses this place to paint a vivid image of what hell is like. The Jewish people often associated the Valley of Hinnom with spiritual death.
In Mark 9:48, when Jesus says, “Where their worm does not die and the fire is not quenched” (ESV), He is quoting from Isaiah 66:24: “They will go out and look on the dead bodies of those who rebelled against me; the worms that eat them will not die, the fire that burns them will not be quenched, and they will be loathsome to all mankind.” In both texts the word translated as “worm” literally means “grub” or “maggot.” A maggot would have an obvious association with a dump like Gehenna where dead bodies are thrown; however, the maggot Christ speaks of “will not die.”
Taken at face value, this text is one of the most horrific descriptions of what hell is like. The thought of eternal torment, likened to maggots eating away at a rotting corpse, is undoubtedly ghastly. Hell is so awful that Christ said, figuratively speaking, it’s better to cut off the hand that causes you to sin than to end up in hell (Matthew 5:30).
Mark 9:48 does not mean that there are literal worms in hell or that there are worms that live forever; rather, Jesus is teaching the fact of unending suffering in hell—the “worm” never stops causing torment. Notice that the worm is personal. Both Isaiah 66:24 and Mark 9:48 use the word their to identify the worm’s owner. The sources of torment are attached each to its own host.
Some Bible scholars believe the “worm” refers to a man’s conscience. Those in hell, being completely cut off from God, exist with a nagging, guilty conscience that, like a persistent worm, gnaws away at its victim with a remorse that can never be mitigated. No matter what the word worm refers to, the most important thing to be gained from these words of Christ is that we should do everything in our power to escape the horrors of hell, and there is only one thing to that end—receiving Jesus as the Lord of our lives (John 3:16).
Now I am going to leave you at this point and with some sage advice, come to the God of our forefathers Abraham, Issac and Jacob, be ye Saved, Santified, and Filled with His Holy Ghost… and All Things will be Opened Unto You by that same Spirit. For God is One God, Three Manifestations, and the One and Only True God.
The God of Islam is Not the God of our forefathers, and the Bible clearly WARNS US in the Prophetic Word for this age, our age, that Allah is of the spirit of Antichrist. Even television personality preachers are preaching a New Religious order called “ChrisLam”, it is an Abomination Unto God and is Splitting Hell Wide Open as I type this and you read it…
For Satan that old devil and ENEMY OF GOD and HIS BODY AND BRIDE, hath come to WAGE WAR upon the Saints for the End of Days!
He is granted a Very Short Time to Gather Up his Damned Souls, being Fallen angels, the children of those angels Disembodied and now Demon spirits, and of course last but by no means least… human souls.
fred says
Getting at the root causes of extremism and terrorism said John K. cause is: “poverty and human rights and corruption overseas.”
This says that the man is a fraud. very ignorant about Islam. so Mr. admiral, answer me. Is Islam since it’s birth, 1400 y ago, always been poor, oppressed and being exploited? because if you study history you can see a pattern here.
Enough said.
Anyways, it’s all getting worse and worse. there is again a leftist tragedy for the Europeans to digest.
Monty says
Islam is killing its way into Western culture and psyche. But it is true. The only way to deal with Islam is to evict Muslims from non-Muslim countries. Yet the west still persists in policies which have proven to be abject failures. No, the west does not understand Islam and never has. The way it is going, western governments will wake up when it is all too late. There is no excuse, any more than there was for Europe when they allowed Hitler to come to power.
gravenimage says
First, stop more Muslims from flooding in.
pennant8 says
Kirby’s attitude is a confirmation of just how successful Muslim Brotherhood infiltration into our national security infrastructure has been. I like to describe it as the MB seizing the narrative high ground.
In his book “Catastrophic Failure – Blindsiding America in the face of jihad” army major Stephen Coughlin describes how deeply this penetration is. He himself was a victim of it. One of his main points is that people in high positions in our national security infrastructure including the military have a professional obligation to educate themselves about the threat of Islamic jihad and all the methods jihadists use to reach their goals. Not to do so, Coughlin bluntly states is a dereliction of duty.
PRCS says
The Admiral didn’t say Islam.
He said terrorism.
Islam does NOT drive each and every one of the world’s terrorism issues.
Kill ’em all?
Don’t think so.
PRODOS says
PRCS writes:
“Islam does NOT drive each and every one of the world’s terrorism issues.”
In your view, what proportion of “terrorism” in recent times — say, over the last dozen or so years — is done, as far as the perpetrators are concerned, in the name of ISLAM?
Even if you don’t have a precise number, perhaps you could indicate broadly:
eg. “a bit” … “some” … “about half” … etc.
Regards,
PRODOS
PRCS says
Don’t be childish.
PRODOS says
PRCS says to me: “Don’t be childish.”
I’ve never really understood that expression.
If a child asks a simple question of something an adult has claimed, why can’t that adult provide a simple answer?
The adult states: “Islam does NOT drive each and every one of the world’s terrorism issues.”
The child asks: “So, how much of world terrorism IS in fact done in the name of ISLAM?”
Personally, I thought the great majority of current and recent terrorism was done in the name of ISLAM.
I’d be happy to be proven wrong.
PRCS says
Then, let me explain it, child.
The Admiral didn’t reference Islam.
He said terrorism.
And that we can’t kill our way out of that.
gravenimage says
PRCS, there is nothing childish about what PRODOS said. His implication is that the vast majority of terrorism is Islamic–how can you possibly take issue with that?
PRCS says
“Even if you don’t have a precise number, perhaps you could indicate broadly:
eg. “a bit” … “some” … “about half” … etc.”
Really, GI?
You and I both know the purpose of that kind of disingenuous ‘gotcha’ crap.
If you want to express your opinion, that’s fine.
But, stop lecturing.
gravenimage says
How is noting the abundantly clear fact that most terrorism is Islamic “‘gotcha’ crap”?
Even the article you linked to confirmed that the vast majority of terrorism is Islamic.
I’m not sure why someone pointing this out upsets you so greatly.
PRCS says
Drop dead you clueless idiot and quit lecturing me.
Infidel lives matter says
“Islam does NOT drive each and every one of the world’s terrorism issues.”
You’re right about that. A left wing extremist and Bernie-fan tried to massacre a bunch of Republicans in Virginia today after asking if they where Republicans or Democrats. The left is inherently violent so we can probably expect to see more cases like this one as the Democrats continue with their hateful and inciting rhetoric. But the vast majority of terrorism is still committed by Muslims.
PRCS says
There ‘ya go.
Don’t know for sure what the motive was, yet, but….
Gotta wonder, too, when the “left” will finally realize that Islam–the ideology–is NOT a liberal ideology.
Richie says
A vast majority or terrorists are Muslims, so they are the main problem
PRCS says
But, not the only problem.
mgoldberg says
“using a “multifaceted” strategy and “getting at the root causes of extremism and terrorism,” which he identifies as “poverty and human rights and corruption overseas.” says the expert.
So, the ‘root’ causes of extremism, and terrorism, are the Jihad Ideology which engenders corruption, top heavy societies and cultures, tyrannic religious enforcement and worse. Homicidism, and serial murdering are culturally endemic. So, if the expert thinks that ‘solving’ root causes is the answer, just how does one deal with Jihad, according to him. His answer is to ignore that- what an expert!
newUser says
One thing is for sure. Trump is just talk. The inflow of refugees has increased. Now he wants to accept the ones rejected by Australia, Just talk no action.
PRODOS says
newUser writes: “The inflow of refugees has increased.”
And suggests that Mr Trump is not sincere about halting the refugee influx — presumably referring to the refugees from Jihad-infested nations in particular.
Had Mr Trump not already issued two Executive Orders to halt refugees from 6 or 7 countries, I’d tend to agree.
But failing after a concerted effort is not the same as not making the effort.
Being thwarted by other legal institutions is not the same as accepting those who thwart you.
Furthermore, only a few days ago, Mr Trump stated that he will continue his efforts to pause or halt the intake. He hasn’t thrown his hands up and given up on this.
I believe the Trump administration will eventually succeed in this effort and fulfill Mr Trump’s promise.
That’s my “prediction”. We’ll see.
Richie says
and persecuted Christians are being turned away in favor of Muslims. Sad to say, but you may be correct. Remember Trump was a Democrat until recently. I think he may have pulled a Mitt Romney; pretended to be further to the right than he really was just to get votes. I cant understand why the left hates him so much given many of his social views, such as being for gay marriage is in line with their beliefs
Baucent says
“There’s very little discussion about getting at the root causes of extremism and terrorism — working on issues of poverty and human rights and corruption overseas — and that’s a real problem here, because this is a generational conflict.”
There it is, the Obama Admin strategy Kirby and others followed for 8 years without an iota of success against “extremism and terrorism”. So, more jobs means less terrorism does it? Yet we know from statistics of terror attacks the Jihadists are often well educated and from wealthy families. So he is pushing a debunked theory, that didn’t succeed during his time in government. The root cause of Islamic terrorism is in fact the book they read, believe and follow to the letter. But Kirby and co don’t want to face that truth.
PRCS says
The Admiral said terrorism, not Islam.
And that we can’t kill our way out of that.
Baucent says
But he was meaning Islam, you know, wink, wink, nudge, nudge, say no more squire!
PRCS says
You can read his mind?
mortimer says
PRCS: Kirby used weasel words so he couldn’t be pinned down. The approach he adopted emboldened the terrorists because it didn’t name their game: AL WALAA WAL BARAA.
You don’t know what that is either. How can you talk about Islam if you don’t even know it’s ESSENTIAL DOCTRINES. (usul ud-deen).
Do your homework.
PRCS says
You can read his mind, too?
Reread the article, Mort.
Richie says
So that fact that a vast majority of terrorists worldwide are Muslim is an issue you feel we should ignore?
PRCS says
Who said that?
Walter Sieruk says
As the Bible teaches there is a time and place for everything,Ecclesiastes 3:1,8. This includes a time and place for the use of strong military might against cruel ,brutal and deadly jihad entities, as for example ISIS. Nevertheless, force doesn’t cover all aspects of the awful problem of jihad-minded Muslims terrorists. In the public news media many conservatives in interviews are ,no doubt very sincere when they say that this is also a “war of idea’s” and of Islamic terrorism is based on an ideology. So the ideology of the dangerous violent and deadly jihad aspect of Islam terrors must not be over looked but exposes , answered and refuted In such a statement they are one hundred percent correct. Still , those conservatives overlook the fact that the entire foundation of this ideology of Islamic terrorism rest on the theology of Islam .
This may be explained in the following three examples.
First, the cruel ,vicious and murderous jihadists thugs who compose the brutal and deadly jihad entity ISIS are actually putting in to the practice ,with all their ruthless actions, the violence and killing that is part of the teaching of the “holy book” of Islam ,the Koran. Which contain the doctrine of extreme violent force for the advancement of Islam. As seen in the Koran, for example, 2:191,4:89. 5:33. 9:5,111,123. 47:4. So in spite of the strong denials by many, ISIS is an actual Islamic organization. Likewise the malicious, bloodthirsty violence jihadists who make up ISIS are real Muslims. Nevertheless, there are some who might , understandably, wonder and then ask “Just how can those jihadists of ISIS ,being so very religious , also at the time also be so very malice-filled ,unfeeling and deadly ? “ The answer to that question is found in the Bible. For the Bible teaches that there are some people who are extremely heartless, cold, callous and dangerous because they have had “their conscience seared with a hot iron.” First Timothy 4:2. [ K.J.V.] In this case of the members of ISIS this “hot iron” is Islam.
Second,what is called “The ideology of Radical Islamic Terrorism” , is very much based on religion. The religion of Islam For Islam’s “holy book” the Qur ‘an [the Koran] instructs on the use of violence and killing for the advancement of Islam. As found in ,for example 2:191. 4:89. 5:33. 9:5,111,123. 47:4. Furthermore, it may be illustrated that if Islam is represented as a tree then the fruits then the fruits of that tree are the many brutal, violent and deadly jihad terror entities. Such as ISIS, Al Qaeda, Boko Haram, al Shabaab , Hamas, Hezbollah, P.I.J. etc. With this statement, the Wisdom of the teachings of Jesus may, very much, apply to this subject. For Jesus taught “Ye do know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles? Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit. A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.” After saying this Jesus told them what He told them when He said “By their fruit ye shall know them.” Matthew 7:16, 17, 18,.20. [K.J.V.] In conclusion, Islam is a corrupt tree and also a false religion, Proverbs 14:12. John 14:6. First John 2:22,23. 4:14,15. 5:12,13,20.
Third, many times the jihadist members of different Islamic terror entities, as those of ISIS, have gathered together and chanted the words “We love death, they love life.” Likewise those jihadist/Muslims don’t stop with those awful words; they carry through with jihad suicide/homicide attacks. Any sane person would ask “Why do those jihad –minded Muslims have such a mindset of murderous madness?” The answer is that they obtain the way of thinking and believing from the “holy book” of Islam, the Koran. As some people call it the Qu ‘ran. For example the Koran in Sura 9:111 instructs “The believers fight in Allah’s Cause, they slay and are slain, they kill and are killed.” Therefore it may be conclude that Islam is actually a death cult. In great and wonderful contrast to the death cult which is Islam there is Christianity which is centered on Jesus and His teachings. For Jesus did not teach killing and death but taught and gave life, a good peaceful well lived life and more. For example Jesus declared “I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly.” John 10:10. [K.J.V.]
Lon Spector says
In fact, killing them IS the only way to stop them. A dead terrorist can’t kill again.
mortimer says
Disagree. Simplistic. This is not WWII anymore. Nine countries together possess around 15,000 nuclear weapons.
NO WESTERN COUNTRY IS DEPROGRAMMING MUSLIMS OUT OF ISLAM.
That is the ONLY strategy that will stop Islamic terrorism: ABSOLUTE DEPROGRAMMING.
StacyGirl says
How can you be sure a Muslim is deprogrammed? Better to ban Islam altogether.
mortimer says
Absolute deprogramming is modern, advanced deprogramming using the Revisionist school of Islamic history as a basis. It requires a GOVERNMENT to do it. No government is doing it.
Moses the Black says
To mortimer, the Singapore government has been doing it for decades. Imams and their public sermons needs to be vetted and approved before broadcast.
PRCS says
That is what I understand, too, Moses.
Don’t HAVE to kill any of them–as the first option.
But must not let them replace man made law with religious law in secular nations/nations with mixed religious populations.
Moses the Black says
To PRCS, the Singapore government compromises by allowing Sharia courts to operate for the muslims in Singapore while holding the penal code supreme over most other matters. However even with this, there are numerous unspoken concessions granted to muslims in the country.
PRCS says
Thank you, Moses.
I noted that from a twitter post the other day. The poster and several other folks told me about it.
It’s strict–expulsion of family members, too.
Pretty impressive.
The unspoken concessions are granted by the government, businesses, communities, other?
That would throw a wrench in the works.
Are the sharia courts held in a public place, or behind closed doors?
gravenimage says
Mortimer wrote:
NO WESTERN COUNTRY IS DEPROGRAMMING MUSLIMS OUT OF ISLAM.
………………………..
No one has *ever* been able to deprogram Muslims.
Moses the Black says
To PRCS, I cannot comment on whether relatives and families are explused, but I am aware that the family members of Mas Selamat Kastari (detained due to involvement with Jemaah Islamiah) were able to visit him in detention. while I do know he is from Indonesia, I cannot be certain if his family members were living in Singapore.
Yes, numerous concessions that are unsaid such as certain government schemes that are worded and structured to specifically meet the needs of certain racial groups, to put in polite terms. No wrench, just business as usual.
The sharia court is a Singapore government agency https://www.syariahcourt.gov.sg and although it is a public institution, I am not aware if non-muslims can view the cases.
PRCS says
Thank you, Moses.
Can’t comment on that either, relying just on poster’s note:
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Just remember, every time one tries, u see them deported with entire family and their assets taken away and main perp jailed for life
Had an extensive twitter conversation with a very educated, smart Indonesian Muslim woman about Islam. Nice person, supported Ahok, but totally in denial about Islam’s true teachings. Standard–twisting the texts–excuses and said she was not familiar with FGM.
Thanks for the link.
If Sharia courts aren’t trying to hoodwink one party (usually a woman) requiring them to be held at a public courthouse shouldn’t be a problem, eh?
Moses the Black says
To PRCS,
Don’t be surprised about Indonesian muslims, many are truly unaware of their faith as many are born into it culturally and hardly know anything apart from “follow the leader”. They will pray 5 times a day and do their bit as the morality police and report on any suspected unmarried couples going to hotels, although such morality monitoring is only in the smaller towns/cities and is hardly enforced in bigger cities.
The only good thing about Indonesia is that muslims are actually allowed to freely change their religion, just need to go to a government office and submit a form, and the religion on their ID is changed (it is a government requirement that everyone has a government approved religion; atheism is illegal). The fallout from their family and friends and relatives is another story.
As I mentioned the sharia court in Singapore is its own entity. Unlike other countries, court hearings in Singapore are not always open to public. I believe the same restriction would apply to the sharia court hearings.
PRCS says
Thanks, Moses.
No, not surprised (well maybe a little).
She was very much like that—always telling me I should ask a cleric for guidance re: the questions I asked her. Never was sure if she didn’t know the answers or just didn’t want to tell the truth. She did say that the local mosque was really important to family.
I had read an article about Indonesia’s ongoing attempts to force its rural, indigenous population to reject ancient faiths and pick one of the “official” religions. When I asked her about atheism there, I could almost see her tap dancing around that.
I imagine family pressures do make conversions socially difficult.
I asked her about Aceh. More tap dancing.
PRCS says
BTW: Here’s an article about Indonesia’s indigenous population I read a while back.
Discussed religion, too.
https://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/02/world/asia/modern-world-tugs-at-an-indonesian-tribe-clinging-to-its-ancient-ways.html?_r=0
PRCS says
Lon, that only eliminates individuals.
StacyGirl says
He is Dead Wrong- pun intended. Because the government has allowed Muslims unfettered access and tax funded promotion in almost every area of society-schools, pools, FBI, Homeland Security, the Milirary- our options are dwindling. We will be killing our way out if we want to survive and it will be, unlike the killing done by muslims, self preservation.
PRCS says
He didn’t say Islam.
He said terrorism—of which there are many varieties.
Killing is but one measure.
WPM says
He didn:t say Islam
He said terrorism-of which there are many varieties.
Killing is but one measure.
You said that about six times what you do not address is he worked in for the previous president terrorism has gotten worst under that president .The main source of terrorism in the world right now Islam what is the Kirby solution? We can not change the governments of all the countries that treat their people like dirt. Most Islamic countries are unstable and lawless if they are not run by dictators. What horses should we back to run those countries how much money has been thrown in the last 8 years with no good return? Trump has not said he is invading anywhere ,should be letting people in the country with out looking into a possible of them being violent terrorist? What are the varieties what is the common factor in violent terrorism in London ,France ,the Philippines , America, Russia ,Africa ,India? There are many poor people in all those countries, all different cultures and governments. The one common factor is in all those countries the most violent terrorist attacks and greatest number of attacks have be done by Islamic followers .How come the other poor people are not doing all those terror attack ? If you can prove that there is another group of people doing that scale of attacks in the last 30 years tell him who they are?
PRCS says
O.K.
Number seven.
He didn:t say Islam
He said terrorism-of which there are many varieties.
Killing is but one measure.
Islam is but one issue.
Expand your horizon.
Richie says
Imagine during WW2 is an admiral told Winston Churchill or FDR ‘You can’t kill your way out of a Nazi problem;’ Yes you can. Muslims feel enabled as there is is little push back.
PRCS says
Nazism exists still, to this day.
Richie says
and they have no power because they were destroyed. Do you think it was a mistake to fight the Nazis?
PRCS says
Don’t be childish.
Ralph from Lancaster says
“Don’t be childish,” repeats the child. The 9/11 hijackers were not impoverished. Osama bin Laden was wealthy. There is no time or reason to listen to the child or Kirby as neither grasps the situation. Take a walk, PRCS, and you may wish to avoid the bridges.
PRCS says
Richie asked,
“Do you think it was a mistake to fight the Nazis?”
That was childish.
And who in Hell are you, exactly, to declare that the Admiral doesn’t have a grasp of the situation?
He didn’t say anything about Islam, did he Ralph?
PRODOS says
Richie asks the rhetorical question “Do you think it was a mistake to fight the Nazis?”
I think that’s a useful question as it highlights the importance of being highly aggressive against an enemy that is itself murderous.
Enemies such as the Nazis and the Jihadists need to be killed until they surrender.
John Kirby is quoted as saying:
“… when you listen to President Trump and his surrogates talk about terrorism, and the threat — and the very real threat that it poses, you hear that talk about it almost in purely militaristic terms — in very aggressive, military terms.”
That is in fact not correct. It is a mischaracterisation.
For instance, the Trump administration continues to seek to limit immigration from several Jihad-prone countries where it’s difficult to separate Jihadists from good people.
There is also the effort to create a “safe zone” in Syria.
Even the change of language used, such as the use of the term “radical ISLAMIC terrorism” is significant.
And there are several other efforts that are not purely of the “bomb them, kill them” variety that are being pursued.
It’s odd that John Kirby’s assessment of the Trump administration’s approach leaves these out and in doing so seems to make exaggerated claims.
It’s also possible that he was only partially quoted, and that he does in fact have a more balanced assessment.
In other statements I’ve read, John Kirby seems highly reluctant to identify ISLAM’s doctrine as a factor, and has even been critical of those who have drawn attention to ISLAM’S doctrine.
The level of military aggression against Jihadists forces during the Obama administration was highly inadequate.
PRCS says
No, PRODOS, it was a disingenuous, childish question.
And, let’s be clear: Trump, McMaster, and others in the current administration think the problem with Islam is a “twisted perversion”, “radical Islam”, and the “radical Islamic terrorists” who carry out violent jihad.
WPM says
Yes but does not have over billion followers it does not run many violent unstable countries in the middle east. It is not doing thousands of attacks all over the world today ,it not back by MSM, progressives in the West.
PRCS says
Per Richie:
“Imagine during WW2 is an admiral told Winston Churchill or FDR ‘You can’t kill your way out of a Nazi problem”
Nazism exists still, to this day.
The ideology remains.
gravenimage says
Yes, Nazism still exists.
But there are no Nazi states. Neo-Nazi parties are tiny and marginalized. Neo-Nazis are not a serious threat today–not as they were before 1945.
If Islam were reduced to the threat that Nazism is today, I would be thrilled.
Richie says
“Instead of physical war, Kirby advises using a “multifaceted” strategy and “getting at the root causes of extremism and terrorism,” which he identifies as “poverty and human rights and corruption overseas.”
Actually many terrorists have come from vert wealthy families. What drove them to kill? They belong to a death cult called Islam- for them killing is a holy sacrament, their evil book the Quran is instructional manual straight from Hell on how to kill people, and damn the soul of the follower
somehistory says
You are correct.
o bin laden was very wealthy. And he could have had employment if he had chosen to do so. He *worked* with the corrupt mb.
Many people are poor and live under terrible conditions but do no commit terror.
It’s the islum that this guy won’t name.
Al says
The Admiral is wrong because he is blind. The President’s initiative on his recent trip to the middle east actually represents a peaceful attempt to challenge Islamic powers by putting them on notice that duplicity will no longer be condoned. The public response of the split of Islamic nations with Qatar indicates the message was received. The clash of cultures, Western vs Islamic, is the same clash that began in the Garden. That clash will take a long time, just as the triumph of good over evil is taking a long time. Western culture is fundamentally the promotion of ordered freedom. Islamic culture fundamentally is enslavement, absolute rule of the few over the many. To be set free is the promise. Islamic law is an affront to human dignity. The ultimately victorious march on the road to ordered freedom is nourished by those who are willing to pay the price, peaceful and/or not peaceful.
PRCS says
“The President’s initiative on his recent trip to the middle east actually represents a peaceful attempt to challenge Islamic powers by putting them on notice that duplicity will no longer be condoned.”
A component of the multifaceted strategy the Admiral suggests.
Davegreybeard says
Another component of Trump’s “multifaceted strategy” is following the simple dictum of General Curtis Lemay:
“If you kill enough of them they stop fighting.”
PRCS says
It took two nuclear weapons (after hellacious fire bombings) to achieve that–in a small country.
Islam is worldwide.
BTW: having any success with your flyers ?I copied what you posted a few years ago and still stick a few condensed versions into books at the local library.
Daniel Triplett says
Damn right Brother.
WPM says
So you saying that Trump is doing a good job? The Admiral said Trump was not doing a multifaceted strategy was not doing a good job? What was Obamas multifaceted strategy that the Admiral work on that did not work? The Admiral solution beside calling it multifaceted? Are things better in the world then they were 8 years ago are there more or less terrorist attacks ?
WPM says
PRCS so you think that Trump is on the right track putting the powers in the Middle East on notice ? That is Trumps multifaceted strategy ,not like Obamas playing nice with the Moslem Brotherhood?
Davegreybeard says
So many questions you have…
First of all, the Admiral has his head up his ass, so his opinions on anything, except perhaps what he had for breakfast, are worthless.
Secondly, Trump is doing a fine job, so far – but it’s early yet.
WPM says
Come on do not be childish expand your horizon ,is Trumps multifaceted strategy on track like you said? Or is Kirbys the multifaceted Obamas plan better? I will not say the M or I world with terrorist because I will get a knee jerk respond??????
PRCS says
“PRCS so you think that Trump is on the right track putting the powers in the Middle East on notice ? That is Trumps multifaceted strategy ,not like Obamas playing nice with the Moslem Brotherhood?”
Re: Islam, yes.
As the Admiral did not specifically reference Islam, different problems require different solutions.
WPM says
Things are different now then 1 year ago right PRCS , things have change in the last year and Trump is right on track with his multifaceted strategy. You said it yourself in Trumps visit to the middle east putting them on notice. and the Admiral is wrong because his failed strategy is from past problems that were not address .Is that horizon broad enough??Both the good Admiral and Trump both can not be right that would be duality of truth .
PRCS says
Just for you, WPM:
As DIFFERENT problems require DIFFERENT solutions, the Admiral is correct.
He. Did. Not. Say. ISLAM.
He. Said. TERRORISM.
We. Are. Not. Going. To. Kill. Ourselves. Out. Of. The. Terrorism. Problem.
That. Will. Require. A. Multifaceted. Strategy.
If you haven’t comprehended that, yet, let me know and I’ll repeat it for you.
gravenimage says
“Multifaceted”, in and of itself, means nothing.
Giving Jihadists lollipops and access to underaged girls would be a multifaceted approach to dealing with Islam, as would halting further Muslim immigration and deporting Muslims involved in Jihad.
Not every multifaceted approach is of equal worth.
PRCS says
More preaching.
Stupid.
somehistory says
He was saying the same thing while the o was directing things….
What makes anyone think that he has a real clue? He is one of the guys that refused to say islum….moslums….and he is still a fool. He is slave to the control of the beast.
Men will never defeat that which has been brought forth by satan. Fight evil, but recognize its source. Recognize the Power that is needed.
Daniel Triplett says
“Recognize the Power that is needed.”
Perhaps God gave America the intellect and resources to build nuclear weapons to destroy evil, including evil brought forth by Satan.
somehistory says
I am not going to say whether or not this is something God has done as He has not told me everything He has done nor why He has done as He has.
I can agree “perhaps.”
Daniel Triplett says
We need not kill ALL of them: Just enough to break their collective will to fight, along with capitulation to our terms.
…with a strategy nearly identical to the March – August 1945 Strategic Area Bombing campaign Gen Curtis LeMay used to defeat Japan, only on a proportionally larger scale, and with standoff ordnance so as not to endanger Allied servicemen.
WWII Japanese servicemen were not pusillanimous. They were brutal, skilled, no surrender, fight to the death men. But even the Japanese reached a point when they’d had enough.
By definition: The first side that loses the “Will to Fight” loses the war. And right now Kaffirs are losing badly.
“Total War: Extinguishing Islam from Earth”
by Maj Daniel Triplett
https://medium.com/@dantriplett/islamic-jihad-is-total-war-for-all-marbles-6c858098b76e
c matt says
You do not need to “kill your way” out of terrorism – you can deport and ban your way out of it. Just look at Japan – practically no Muslims = practically no terrorism.
PRCS says
c matt,
But–per your post–they haven’t all been deported.
So that’s not the reason–as even one Muslim could carry out violent jihad.
Don’t know the reason, though.
WPM says
So PRCS what your solution for terrorist ?quoting a government official that is not longer working for the government {that means no longer in power} will not be a solution .I can state I am for world peace it means nothing without some kind of plan. So how do we get from point A to point B without talking or naming the big players in this game? Is the world safer now then it was 8 years ago? I can repeat I like the plan the Admiral said what is the plan? ,is Trump plan different then his you said yourself he put them on notice in the middle East. Your using circle logic just repeating a quote from a retired government employee who work under a administration that saw increase in terrorism world wide. It was a failed policy because it did not work .terrorism increase world wide in those 8 years.I did not say Islam in my last 2 post why do feel you have to beat that dead horse in every post. I did not say anything about killing anyone in the last 2 posts its just not me ,You have no point to make here troll away.
PRCS says
“So PRCS what your solution for terrorist ?”
Time for YOU to name the ‘Big Players’, and to then explain how killing our way out is the answer to each scenario.
WPM says
and the circle jerk keeps going were did I say we should kill our way out ? where did Trump say we should Kill our way out ?You say nothing you have no solution ,Your the one who said Trump put them on notice and you thought it was a good thing well was it?
PRCS says
WPM, you have a serious reading comprehension issue and are confusing yourself.
And, as I do so look forward to your next rambling, incoherent post, please don’t let me down.
PRCS says
And, I’m still waiting for that list of “Big Players”.
WPM says
Obtuse Icelander,
gravenimage says
True, c matt. Got Muslims? Got terrorism.
PRCS says
Got Russians in Crimea? Got terrorism.
gravenimage says
Anyone who knows my posting history here knows that I have been *no* fan of Russian aggression towards the Ukraine.
But Muslims have been a threat *wherever* they have gone in sufficient numbers.
This is just another attempt by PRCS–why, I don’t know–to distract from the global threat of Islam.
PRCS says
Well, geez, I guess I’m just not anit jihad enough for you.
Too fucking bad.
C. Mckinney says
Yes, yes, Buy the Savages a years supply of Cheerios and an X-box and I am sure they will cease blowing up 8 year old girls at Ariana Grande concerts in the name of Islam. You Dammed Idiots are gonna get us all killed.
Warmac9999 says
The obama admiral forgets the lessons of Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Yes, you can create enough pain and suffering that the enemy gives up. That is exactly the strategy that Islam is employing as part of its attempt to conquer the world. Death by a thousand cuts is just as deadly as death by a single shot.
PRCS says
Sure are a lot of folks here second guessing the Admiral’s education, knowledge and background.
Do you really think he has forgotten those lessons?
mortimer says
PRCS, you have not red the Sira, Koran, hadiths, tafsirs and manuals of Sharia and you would not ask such a question if you had read them.
Once one reads those PRIMARY texts of Islam, the issues are clear. You have not read them, but preposterously, present yourself as an authority on Islam.
PRCS says
Mortimer, you’ve had your ass handed to you so many times here as a result of your idiotic assumptions and ridiculous statements.
Once, again, Mort–the Admiral did not address Islam.
He said terrorism, of which Islamic terrorism is but one aspect.
PRODOS says
mortimer writes: “Once one reads those PRIMARY texts of Islam, the issues are clear.”
True!
PRCS writes: “… the Admiral did not address Islam”
Ehm … that’s the point, isn’t it?
I’ve read a number of the Admiral’s statements.
Not addressing Islam is what he does best and most often.
PRCS says
No, PRODOS, it’s not.
His thinking is not so narrow minded as yours.
He knows there are more terrorist organizations/groups/ideologies than just Islam.
PRODOS says
PRCS replied to me:
“His thinking is not so narrow minded as yours.”
I know. I’m childish and narrow minded.
“He (the Admiral) knows there are more terrorist organizations/groups/ideologies than just Islam.”
Brilliant. Just brilliant.
mortimer, did you know that? gravenimage? What about you?
Arthur? Bill? Dave? SHUALI ? George? c matt ? Flavius Claudius Iulianus? Keys? Monty? Jerry?
Did ANY of you know that?? I mean, before the Admiral & PRCS brought it up, right here on this very page?
What about you, medaber_emet? Phil Copson? WPM? Mitch? Santa Voorhees? Infidel lives matter? Mirit? Truth Seeker? fred? pennant8 ?
Richie? mgoldberg? Baucent? Lon Spector? StacyGirl? Moses the Black? Ralph from Lancaster?
Davegreybeard? Daniel Triplett?
Looks like PRCS and the Admiral arrived just in time.
“there are more terrorist organizations/groups/ideologies than just Islam”
Yes. Maybe there are. I wouldn’t be surprised.
PRCS says
No, not maybe.
And let me remind you of the current administration’s understanding of Islam:
“radical Islam”
“a twisted perversion”
“radical Islamic terrorists”.
Yes, you are childish and narrow minded, as your posts prove.
gravenimage says
Actually, PRCS, Mortimer is one of the most knowledgeable and erudite posters here.
I disagree with him on the issue of “Muslim deprogramming”, but the idea that Mortimer has “had [his] ass handed to [him] so many times here as a result of [his] idiotic assumptions and ridiculous statements” is just calumny.
gravenimage says
PRCS, by the site you yourself linked to, Islamic terrorism makes up the vast majority of terror groups–moreover, these groups are much more active–and deadly–than the others. Yet you are doing your damndest here to try to distract us from Jihad terrorism. Why is that?
PRCS says
No, GI, he’s unnecessarily obnoxious at times and has had his ass handed to him many times for things like:
“PRCS, you have not red the Sira, Koran, hadiths, tafsirs and manuals of Sharia and you would not ask such a question if you had read them.
Did you miss that?
“Yet you are doing your damndest here to try to distract us from Jihad terrorism. Why is that?”
Are you reading my posts, or are you just making things up.
Point out where I’m distracting from Islam.
Go ahead.
gravenimage says
PRCS, you have posted here on this thread over a score of times at this point–I am not going to count them all–and you have consistently downplayed the threat of Jihad terrorism, and tried to distract from it.
PRCS says
Oh, shit.
PRCS says
I guess I’ll never be a true Scotsman, eh?
Keys says
Well, PRCS, you and I do not know what he knows about history or Islam.
You are just assuming that he “has learned those lessons”.
But many of us who have seen him speak for the Obama administration have seen first hand that he projects weakness and appeasement – a sissy attitude.
His statement that we can not kill our way out of terrorism is certainly a sign of weakness to a Muslim enemy who is required by their God to kill us (non-believers).
Further, since he was a spokesman for an administration sympathetic to Islam; to an administration that said that the future does not belong to those who slander the prophet of Islam, he gives hope and vigor to a centuries old mortal enemy when he appears to give up on killing them.
This is no warrior leader. He thinks we are fighting terrorism when we are in a war for our survival. War is killing until the enemy quits.
Your point that he is talking about more than Islamic terrorism – so what?
Islamic terrorism is the cancer, the other terrorism are mosquito bites in comparison.
PRCS says
Whereas you—without the slightest evidence—apparently believe he has.
His Undergraduate degree is in history.
Prove that he has forgotten those lessons.
Keys says
PRCS – You are spewing without evidence. I told you I don’t know what he knows or does not know about history or Islam. But you apparently do know what he has learned and how well he has learned it. Tell us what that is, please – what does he know about Islam or history. You can not, because you really do not know.
I said that I, and many others, see him as coming across as weak. A fatal flaw in a war, unless he is feigning weakness as deceit.
You do not even know what he was taught. List the courses he took and how well he did.
An undergraduate degree in history ! The burden of proof is on you.
You have addressed some, but not all of the points several posters have made here. Do you admit that you do not know what he knows?
You prove what he knows. It is absurd to assume what he knows. There have been plenty of military idiots throughout history – because they were ignorant on several levels. Prove what he knows.
PRCS says
*Warmac9999 says
June 14, 2017 at 5:20 pm
The obama admiral forgets the lessons of Hiroshima and Nagasaki.
*PRCS says
June 14, 2017 at 5:32 pm
Sure are a lot of folks here second guessing the Admiral’s education, knowledge and background.
Do you really think he has forgotten those lessons?
*Keys says
June 14, 2017 at 7:47 pm
Well, PRCS, you and I do not know what he knows about history or Islam.
You are just assuming that he “has learned those lessons”.
*PRCS says
June 14, 2017 at 8:08 pm
Whereas you—without the slightest evidence—apparently believe he has.
His Undergraduate degree is in history.
Prove that he has forgotten those lessons.
Wasn’t about his knowledge of history or Islam.
It was about “those lessons”.
He was in for 29 years.
Davegreybeard says
The Admiral, like PRCS, having exactly zero understanding of ground combat, not to mention the teachings of Sun Tzu, is confused. What is unforgivable is the militant ignorance of their positions.
“If you kill enough of them, they will stop fighting.” is as true today as it was yesterday. As was amply demonstrated against our former fanatical enemy, prone to suicide attacks, Imperial Japan.
We CAN kill our way out of terrorism, and President Trump is implementing a plan to do just that. We are beginning to aggressively shoot the alligators so to speak.
But we cannot kill our way out of Islam. For that we need a world wide education/propaganda campaign which is not even in the planning stages yet. So we have yet to consider draining the swamp.
PRCS says
And who are you to declare, to assert that the Admiral and I have zero understanding of ground combat?
Rather presumptive, wouldn’t you say.
Davegreybeard says
O.K. PRCS, please list your claim to know about these things.
As for me, Lieutenant in the United States Army, served in combat in Viet Nam and have studied wars, combat actions and Sun Tzu extensively. Following wise counsel, “Hold your friends close and your enemies closer.” I have also studied The Quran, the Hadith, the “Sirat Rasul Allah” and the Sharia.
I presume you know little of these things because of the ridiculous and provably false assertions you make.
PRCS says
Retired mil.
21 years.
Don’t be such a presumptive, pompous ass.
StacyGirl says
PRCS. In the military. Probably peeled potatoes.
Baucent says
Rather presumptive to assume the Admiral was not referring to Islam, wouldn’t you say? You just don’t know that either, unless of course you have talked to him about it. Have you?
PRCS says
Did he say Islam?
You can read his mind?
tony46 says
…….however the Japanese army has been quite peaceful in the last 70 yrs
gravenimage says
Retired admiral admonishes Trump: You can’t kill your way out of the terrorism problem
…………………………..
I haven’t noticed any dead Jihadists murdering us lately…
More:
Instead of physical war, Kirby advises using a “multifaceted” strategy and “getting at the root causes of extremism and terrorism,” which he identifies as “poverty and human rights and corruption overseas.”
…………………………..
Why is it just Muslims who are mass slaughtering victims all over the world? There are other people living under corruption and poverty and human rights abuses, and they aren’t doing this.
Moreover, this is happening in the West, as well–the region with the least corruption, greatest wealth and opportunity, and highest standard of human rights anywhere in the world.
PRCS says
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_designated_terrorist_groups
GI, the Admiral said terrorism.
Not Islam.
Many terrorist groups do develop from “issues of poverty and human rights and corruption”.
Davegreybeard says
PRCS, you have your head up your ass in a very similar fashion as the Admiral.
I am reminded of trying to convince a Liberal of the very obvious truth that Islam incites violence. No facts shall interfere with their preconceived opinions.
Facts an logic to you are water off a ducks back, in short, you are a self created and willful idiot.
There are no other terrorist organizations that even come close to the world wide Jihad that we face. Yet here you are, like a fool, time and again trotting out the tired trope of “Many terrorist groups do develop from ‘issues of poverty and human rights corruption.” Name one that is of world wide concern – you can’t because there aren’t any.
Yeah, you and the Admiral, quite a team of fools you are, but it’s worse than that because in your obfuscation of the truth you provide aid and comfort to the enemy.
PRCS says
You made a fool of yourself with your last post, you arrogant twit.
“trotting out the tired trope of “Many terrorist groups do develop from ‘issues of poverty and human rights corruption.”
It’s what the admiral said, and I’d trust his knowledge, judgement and experience over yours any day.
No matter what you WANT to hear, he didn’t reference Islam as the sole problem.
Because it’s not.
Richie says
having fun being a troll PRCS?
PRCS says
Well, here’s little Richie.
Richie says
June 14, 2017 at 12:22 pm
A vast majority or terrorists are Muslims, so they are the main problem
Reply
PRCS says
June 14, 2017 at 1:27 pm
But, not the only problem.
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Richie says
June 14, 2017 at 12:28 pm
So that fact that a vast majority of terrorists worldwide are Muslim is an issue you feel we should ignore?
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PRCS says
June 14, 2017 at 12:49 pm
Who said that?
What grade are you in, Richie?
Carolyne says
“Because it’s not?” Oh yes it is.
PRCS says
It’s the sole worldwide problem, Carolyne?
The operative word is “worldwide”.
gravenimage says
PRCS–I have noted this before, but *surely* you noticed that the vast majority of the terrorist groups in the article you linked to *are Islamic*?
PRCS says
Well, GI, you have completely agreed it’s not the only problem.
And that people suffer from other terrorist organizations.
Can’t have it both ways.
gravenimage says
Have it both ways? What are you talking about?
I think the main focus should be on Jihad terror, because it is the main threat.
That we still have to deal with random nut jobs, and any stray, local non-Jihad terror groups like Shining Path or Conspiracy of Fire Nuclei is obvious.
If I had a splinter I’d take it out, too.
But seeing to that splinter while ignoring just having been run over by a Jihad truck would not be wise.
PRCS says
You see, GI, that’s YOUR fucking problem.
Do you think I might be able to at least take a trip to Scotland?
Geez, I’m just ignoring so many things.
Help me, GI, help me.
somehistory says
Terrorism and anti-terrorism….a specialty of study for some of us.
There are many terror groups….many of the many are of islum and have the same goals as all of the others. al q, boko haram, isis, al nusra, etc….have the same goals and the same reason for terror…to spread islum and make the world give in to being subjugated.
There are other terror groups, but not much is heard from them. Each group has a different base for its terror…not all have the same goals and none have the same goals as does islum.
There is ALF…which has not been busy for some time and it has not been known to wish to slaughter people, but to bring the abuse of animals into public focus.
Similar is ELF…the protection of earth is their focus and they are somewhat like ALF.
There are groups that claim Christianity, though they are not advocating True Christianity, but their version of it. They are not trying to take over the earth.
The group Sovereign Citizens is another that was active for while, but they do not have the same goals as islum. They wish to be left alone, not make others do as they do.
No other terror group is like the ones that have islum as their fuel, their reason, their goals.
This admiral is unable to name islum because….he is too chicken. Not because he is really thinking of all of the other groups that might at some time have been active in terrorism…in one country, or maybe two. He knows islum is the one that is causing fear and death around the world. He was paid in the past not to say it, or acknowledge it. Now, he doesn’t want to admit he was wrong for not saying it.
There are books…and some of us have those books…that name the various groups and what they have as their goals and their reasons. None is like islum. None is as active as islum. None poses the danger as does islum.
The shootings that sometimes take place because a person is fired from his job, or his ex-wife won’t do as he wishes, etc. are not considered terrorism, but each is a crime.
If the guy who was shooting at the ball game was doing it because of politics, authorities need to see if he is part of a group.
PRCS says
“This admiral is unable to name islum because….he is too chicken”
Sure.
somehistory says
Bwaaak, bwaaak. You understand that, don’t you?
You should take a close look at the page you linked with the list of terror orgs named such by different countries and the UN.
Not that it is *official* as it is not a valid source for serious students, but most…most…if not all those listed…are moslum related.
Wise up.
PRCS says
That makes the others less threatening?
Wise up.
somehistory says
You have no clue. If termites are destroying your home, it’s stupid and foolish and silly to worry about ants in Europe so that you send your exterminator over there with ant baits.
If fire ants are stinging your children, ti’s foolish to worry about roaches in an apartment in some one of the “stans” of Asia.
Of which groups are you personally afraid? Of which groups do you think about when you hear there has been an attack on innocent citizens?
Parrot.
PRCS says
Many.
Terrorism is not the sole forte of Islam.
Wise up.
We’re not going to kill our way out of “the terrorist problem”.
And grow up.
somehistory says
All you know to do is parrot the admiral and attempt to insult other posters.
You cannot name one group that is labeled “terrorist” by the government that is attempting to change the rule of law, stop the freedom of speech, enforce their unholy, unlawful code of behavior, and is currently murdering their way through the population.
How many recent news reports can you cite that are about terrorism and are not about moslums and islum…whether or not the news source has the courage to use the words?
If someone is not active in crime, they are not committing crimes, the law is not watching their every move. If a group formed years ago, never killed anyone, and have not even blown up a building lately, there is not a lot of concern that they will do so.
You call people *childish* and tell me to “grow up.” You should become a bigger person and that way, you might be able to admit that you don’t know what you are writing about and that you are wrong.
So, grow to a larger person so you can admit you are wrong.
And I never wrote that men could “kill their way out.” I said, just in case you missed it in your efforts to disagree with as many posters as you could, that people ‘need to recognize the *source* of the evil and that there is a Power that is needed to defeat it.’
Go to a library and do some research on the subject. You have a lot of learning and “growing into that bigger person” do do.
PRCS says
That you deign to declare that the Admiral “is unable to name islum because….he is too chicken” is rich.
And childish.
Grow up.
somehistory says
You are going back, like a broken record, to something you already said. You repeat yourself, and this is because you have nothing.
You have no counter-arguments to make to bolster your case. You cannot name one group that is active like moslums are, you cannot make a comment without calling out what you think are insults.
You seem to think being a child is somehow terrible. I shouldn’t have called the admiral chicken…because chickens have more courage. I’ve witnessed them risking their lives to protect their little babies.
The admiral doesn’t have the courage to admit that islum is the problem and he has no clue how to defeat it.
Want to call me hostile again so you have an excuse not to name current, active terror groups that are in the news because they are killing like moslums are killing?
You are just too small for me to converse with any longer. You refuse enlightenment.
PRCS says
“I shouldn’t have called the admiral chicken…because chickens have more courage. I’ve witnessed them risking their lives to protect their little babies. The admiral doesn’t have the courage to admit that islum is the problem and he has no clue how to defeat it.”
No, you shouldn’t have called him that because it was a childishly stupid thing to do.
Grow up.
somehistory says
One last comment to you Little boy. You are so empty, you must keep repeating what others say.
Get a personality, get back on your meds, have your wife pat your head and say, “now, now, don’t worry about those things,” until you feel better.
The kirby guy is not what he pretends to be. Your hero is empty.
And you are sadly in need of something to write besides the lame, “grow up..” and “childish” comments.
Chickens have more courage. Snakes have more spine.
somehistory says
Worms have more spine.
PRCS says
Whew!
So, that’s the kind of “enlightenment” you offer, eh?
Glad I passed.
I don’t think I really need to point out your hostility, Bunky, you’re doing that all by yourself.
sliverp says
That’s where you’re wrong kiddo
Davegreybeard says
“PRCS”
The Fool. The Fraud. The Troll.
PRCS says
Daveygreybeard.
A chest thumping, big mouth, asshole.
Presumptive, narcissistic, jerk.
PRODOS says
PRCS wrote:
======
Daveygreybeard.
A chest thumping, big mouth, asshole.
Presumptive, narcissistic, jerk.
=========
Since I agree with Daveygreybeard, I DEMAND the same bright, bold descriptives be applied to me!
So far all I’ve gotten is “childish” and “narrow-minded”.
Very half-hearted!
What does a bloke have to do on this page to get a decent insult?
Sheesh!
PRCS says
Poor old Davey, thinking himself clever, couldn’t resist tossing out an ad hominim attack; embarrassed then by what he asked for.
Davegreybeard says
June 14, 2017 at 7:00 pm
The Admiral, like PRCS, having exactly zero understanding of ground combat, not to mention the teachings of Sun Tzu, is confused. What is unforgivable is the militant
ignorance of their positions.
PRCS says
June 14, 2017 at 8:01 pm
And who are you to declare, to assert that the Admiral and I have zero understanding of ground combat?
Rather presumptive, wouldn’t you say.
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Davegreybeard says
June 14, 2017 at 8:10 pm
O.K. PRCS, please list your claim to know about these things.
As for me, Lieutenant in the United States Army, served in combat in Viet Nam and have studied wars, combat actions and Sun Tzu extensively. Following wise counsel, “Hold your friends close and your enemies closer.” I have also studied The Quran, the Hadith, the “Sirat Rasul Allah” and the Sharia.
I presume you know little of these things because of the ridiculous and provably false assertions you make.
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PRCS says
June 14, 2017 at 8:46 pm
Retired mil.
21 years.
Don’t be such a presumptive, pompous ass.
Poor old Davey.
gravenimage says
PRCS, why are you reduced to sneering at Anti-Jihadists here? Hadn’t you used to be opposed to Jihad yourself at one time? What changed?
Flavius Claudius Iulianus says
Davegreybeard, your assessment may be accurate. Read through the thread and you will see that PRCS has managed pick a fight with most posters. He certainly did with me. He/she/it uses the argument that the good admiral said terrorism and not “islam”. And yet the admiral did use the words, “extremism and terrorism” and there was a reference to “radicalize,” and the article does reference ISIS so I don’t think the admiral was talking about a rogue band of Indian Jains. Do you?
He/she/it could just be a common run of the mill troll. If he/she/it is not a troll then I truly feel for he/she/it; life can’t be easy.
PRCS says
“You cannot kill your way out of a terrorism problem.”
One of the counter terrorism efforts in the Philippines, a corrupt country with an impoverished underclass, is against a decades long Communist movement.
The general public is fed up with Venezuela’s failing Socialist government and is rising up.
Surely one as familiar with basic history as you would know that.
———–
And you’re a bald faced liar, as it was you who picked the fight.
c matt says
June 14, 2017 at 9:25 am
Exactly. Get rid of Islam, get rid of 80% of terrorism (there will always be some terrorism for other political agendas)
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PRCS says
June 14, 2017 at 9:32 am
You are correct.
The Admiral said “terrorism”, not Islam.
As you note, “there will always be some terrorism for other political agendas.”
And with a billion+ Muslims worldwide, we “filthy kuffar” aren’t going to kill our way out of THAT terrorism.
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Flavius Claudius Iulianus says
June 14, 2017 at 8:07 pm
The admiral is half right. You can’t solve the problem without knowing the root cause. He thinks it’s poverty and alienation. This site repeatedly presents evidence and studies that debunk this kumbaya myth. Mohammadism is the root cause.
The admiral (and you) are ignorant of basic history.
Life can’t be easy for you.
Carolyne says
This ignorant man, about whom I have always suspected his sanity because of the strange look in his eyes, seems to agree with Hillary Clinton. Just be friendly, eat their food, and they will love you. It is not poverty, oppression or any of the buzz words liberals like to use. It is Islam. Pure and simple. It is the philosophy (If one can dignify it with that appellation) alone of the Koran which causes Islamic terrorism. How did this madman ever become an Admiral? Inexplicable.
PRCS says
Suspected he’s ignorant because of his appearance?
Carolyne says
No, suspected he’s insane. The wild look of insanity which psychopaths have.
PRCS says
Well, sure. That makes sense. You only suspect his sanity based upon his appearance.
Wow.
Davegreybeard says
@PRODOS
“What does a bloke have to do on this page to get a decent insult?
Sheesh!”
LOL!
This “chest thumping, big mouth, asshole” about fell out of his chair on that one!
Based on the flavor and quality of the insults delivered, I’m presuming PRCS is a girl – or gay – not that I have a problem with either one of those, of course.
And “21 years retired military?” I am presuming something in supply or a ranking officer’s aid – not that I have a problem with either one of those either…
PRCS says
Poor Davey.
Too stupid to be embarrassed.
And still pulling presumptions out of his ass.
That’s why I’d trust the Admiral’s judgement over yours any day.
Your attempt to be a tough guy failed.
WPM says
PRCS its a little bit off topic ,but were you ever a bartender or a prostitute in Iceland? You know prostitutes do role playing to get what they want? They hid who they are ,good at lies, get the johns off. The Admiral is not the issue.
PRCS says
Grow up, dickweed.
gravenimage says
PRCS wrote, in reply to Davegreybeard:
That’s why I’d trust the Admiral’s judgement over yours any day.
“State Department: ‘This Isn’t About a Religion’”
http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/patrick-goodenough/state-dept-brussels-attack-isnt-about-religion
Here, he claims that Jihad has nothing to do with Islam. Do you agree with this?
PRCS says
No. he was stupid to say that.
But I do agree that we can’t kill our way out of a terrorism problem and that a multifaceted approach is necessary.
PRCS says
And the Trump administration keeps saying the same thing.
Daniel Triplett says
I’m a USAF Major (IRR), with 12 years active duty behind me, and 6 years combat in the Islamic War (all Theaters).
In my experience, 10% of the Officer Corps in all ranks are superstars; natural born leaders; courageous and patriotic; warfare experts; John Wayne-types I’d follow to the end of the Earth.
Another 10% are ignorant, arrogant fools; pusillanimous cowards; a disgrace to the uniform.
Everyone else is somewhere in between.
John Kirby is no superstar. I personally think he’s an ignorant disgrace. Same with HR McMaster. I’m unimpressed with James Mattis too. I think Steve Bannon is the only guy giving Pres Trump the truth about Islam.
Many civilians assume military officers receive thorough training in Islamic Doctrine and what motivates our enemy. That’s what should happen, but it doesn’t. As with other Executive Branch agencies, such as the FBI and CIA, our formal training includes whatever the President wants us to know. Robert Spencer has often described how he was forbidden to speak of anything Islam or jihad when he gave lectures to the FBI and military, under Obama’s watch. That’s the truth. Under Bush 43 and even Bill Clinton (the two whom I actively served), the false narrative wasn’t about Obama’s Taqiyya, but more about ignorance.
Although our military gets excellent and extensive training about warfare strategy and how to kill our enemies, in this era they’re not getting the proper training about what our enemy is why Muslims want to kill us. This is negligent and disgraceful.
Everything I ever learned about Islam was on my own, either on the battlefield, talking with other vets, reading non-government books, or the Internet. I’ve learned a ton from Robert Spencer.
PRCS says
Aren’t you assuming, then, that they don’t visit here, just like you and me?
I disagree with your “superstar” opinion>/i> about Kirby, as he has not said anything–that I’ve heard–which makes me think poorly of him. But….
Same with law enforcement folks. Can’t imagine they don’t have a computer and Internet access at home.
However, as McMaster and others in the current administration–including the president–have made some really idiotic, public statements about Islam (“radical Islam”, “twisted perversion”, “radical Islamic terrorism) I agree with you there.
But, as they’re not citing sources when they say such things, whether they’re ignorant or toeing the party line is open to speculation—IMO.
Either way–the public is ill served by that.
Daniel Triplett says
I’ve been listening to Kirby for many years. He was the Head Spokesman for the Pentagon, under Obama. He’s always spoken as he does in the article here.
Kirby’s either a moron, or he’s willing to lie to Americans for the sake of his job. Either way he’s a disgrace.
PRCS says
I know his history. You’re entitled to YOUR opinion about him, and I mine.
“Many civilians assume military officers receive thorough training in Islamic Doctrine.”
I’m retired military.
As asked, aren’t you assuming, then, that military (O and E) and law enforcement folks don’t visit here, and learn (outside the system) just like you and me?
Daniel Triplett says
This was a new post; not in reply to you. I directed it to civilians reading this thread.
I don’t understand what you’re even asking with your question. I couldn’t possibly know how much each and every serviceman or cop knows about Islam or where they get their info.
You needn’t tell me I’m entitled to my opinion. I already know this. You’ve posted your opinion about 30 times on this thread. I think everyone understands.
I suggest giving it a rest and holstering your gun.
PRCS says
No, you didn’t direct it to civilians.
You didn’t direct it to anyone in particular.
And I responded to it.
Some of those military and law enforcement personnel know more about Islam—from sites like this—despite their organizations’ failure to educate them about Islam.
Like you and me.
Here’s my opinion.
The admiral said we can’t kill our way out of a terrorist problem and that we need a multifaceted approach to that.
I agree with him.
Daniel Triplett says
To begin, my post was a new post. It was not a reply to any of your posts. It didn’t even follow any of your posts.
Your name appeared nowhere in my post.
Yet, you still felt the need to tell me you’re retired military, as if I was addressing you in ignorance. I was neither addressing you, nor am I ignorant.
“The admiral said we can’t kill our way out of a terrorist problem and that we need a multifaceted approach to that.
I agree with him.”
You know, when you simply say it like that, you sound reasonable. You probably should have just stated your opinion like that, then stop. Instead, for some reason known only to you, you started a fistfight with just about everyone on this thread, saying some intensely offensive words to a lot of people on your own team. We’re all Kaffirs (most all of us). We’re on the same side in the war.
BTW, many posters here have shown plenty of historical evidence of Kirby’s ignorance about Islam. I’ve seen his foolishness myself going WAY back to when he was the head spokesman at the Pentagon. I have no idea why you’re getting so wrapped around the axle, semantically splitting hairs and parsing words about exactly what he was saying in the lone article above. When looking at the BODY of Kirby’s words over the years, he makes obvious he’s a fool about the Islamic threat and how to eliminate it. [I really have no interest in debating this point with you…or arguing any other point with you either. You’d be wasting your time trying to convince me Kirby isn’t an ignorant stooge.]
In the essay I wrote and linked above, I’ve clearly articulated a war strategy for success, quickly. So, I won’t repeat it here, but it does include several elements. I suppose you could say it’s therefore “multifaceted.” The USAF teaches all field grade officers the strategy I advocate. I didn’t pull it out of my ass.
There’s no way we’re going to win this war without killing millions of Muslim men, women, and children. It’s impossible. We all need to face it. Studying thousands of years worth of war history proves this point. You need only go as far back as WWII for evidence (the last war America decisively won). With our current war strategy and ROE, our grandfathers would’ve lost to the Axis.
Kaffirs best quickly develop the stomach and will to kill on a large scale, or the World is finished.
PRCS says
I am reasonable.
Retired admiral admonishes Trump: You can’t kill your way out of the terrorism problem
PRCS says
June 14, 2017 at 9:20 am
He is correct.
——————
Your idiotic post perpetuates the notion that military personnel are too stupid to learn about Islam on their own.
Your self important holier than thou response—as with your very first post to me several years ago—demonstrates what an absolute asshole you are.
I can respond to any fucking post I chose to.
Don’t need your permission.
Now, who’s picked the fistfights here.
Daniel Triplett says
No, you are not reasonable. You’re all alone here. You’re burning all your bridges. Gravenimage, for example, has been nothing but a supportive, distinguished, and sympathetic lady to you for years–even during this thread when you’ve said words to her I’ve never heard a man say to a woman. You’re no gentleman. You’ve totally disgraced yourself, publicly erasing any scant honor you may have had.
You’re a delusional old man Sergeant.
And you’re an arrogant prick.
No strategy, no solutions, and no sanity.
Go to the VA for mental help.
You can have the last word, as I know you’ll do–you’re too insecure not to. I won’t be back to read it though, so yammer on as you wish fool. Keep showing Jihad Watchers how derailed you really are.
One more bridge burned.
PRCS says
Your first self important post to me–months ago–was completely unsolicited. Catch my drift?
Neither your personal, subjective opinion–nor anyone else’s–of the admiral means a damned thing as it pertains to the issue at hand: what he said in this instance.
“Retired admiral admonishes Trump: You can’t kill your way out of the terrorism problem”
And the need for a multifaceted approach to that.
I agreed with that up front.
An honest review of the posts which followed makes clear that your assertion I’d picked a fight with everyone here is without merit.
Carolyne says
Somehow the level of insults from PRCS (Princess?) isn’t up tp his/her usual standards. Must be having an off day.
somehistory says
Carolyne,
When a person has no valid point, and refuses to consider the valid points of others, that person will turn to insults and foul language. The sad thing is, they continue being ignorant of the facts of the matter.
PRCS says
Instead of addressing the issue as an adult, somehistory foolishly labeled the admiral — a chicken — and just refuses to consider how childish that was.
Must not have had a valid point to work with.
somehistory says
Not foolish….just forgot for a moment that chickens are very brave and courageous and kirby is a coward….coward…coward.
You should get yourself a dictionary, even one for children whom you seem to have only disdain…and find a few new words you can use in your attempts to insult people who have more to contribute to an intelligent conversation.
.
You, little boy, need some anger management therapy. You have a giant chip on your little shoulder.
You have no thoughts of your own, but just latch on to words and phrases used by others and attempt, in inept manner, to insult into silence anyone who doesn’t like your hero.
PRCS says
I know who has a chip on their shoulder and an anger management problem.
The hostility of your posts and your frustrated use of the term “little boy” give you away.
Now, tell the good folks how YOU have personally and factually determined the Admiral is–a chicken.
No, not another hysterical opinion–just the facts.
somehistory says
The question is, small one, is kirby paying you the usual five dollars per comment on this thread, or is it less because you have no real arguments to make in his favor?
You should have enough by now to spring for a hamburger or two. Maybe even a happy meal. Do they still give toys with those?
PRCS says
You’ve really hit rock bottom, now.
Must be so frustrating.
PRCS says
Carolyne says
June 15, 2017 at 12:31 pm
This ignorant man, about whom I have always suspected his sanity because of the strange look in his eyes, seems to agree with Hillary Clinton
You suspect he’s ignorant based upon his appearance.
That’s amazing, honey.
Geppetto says
There’s only one thing you need to consider re Admiral Kirby. He was picked by Obama and his views predominate, everywhere, and I expect there’s great comfort associated with that denial of the obvious. He’s far from being alone. Although slowly growing in number, there remain few willing to accept and most reject the notion that “the religion of peace” could possibly be the motivation for the horrors committed by terrorists accompanied by their battle cry, “Allahu Akbar,” Arabic for Allah is the greatest. It requires an extreme exercise in mental gymnastics to ignore the obvious.
PRCS says
He was picked by Kerry.
Davegreybeard says
@WPM
“PRCS its a little bit off topic ,but were you ever a bartender or a prostitute in Iceland?”
That’s a kind thought WPM, I have some regard for bartenders as they tend to listen to the concerns of others and usually respond with helpful or at least comforting pleasantries. Unfortunately PRCS demonstrates zero ability to listen to anything except the voices, playing on closed loop, inside her little head.
Prostitutes, are a step up on the professional ladder, and require an even greater degree of empathy and emotional discipline – qualities seemingly absent in our PRCS, even in the incipient stages.
So for now, I’m afraid you must console yourself with the paltry epithet “dickweed.”
I realize it’s not nearly as magnificent as “Chest thumping, big mouth, asshole” – but you could always give it another go…
PRCS says
Poor Davey.
Challenged me.
I responded.
He’s embarrassed.
gravenimage says
PRCS, you never used to spout apologia for Islam. Now you are hostile to Anti-Jihadists. What changed?
PRCS says
Point to any post of mine here which is apologia for Islam.
gravenimage says
PRCS, you have spent this entire thread trying to distract from the threat of Islam. That is indeed a form of apologia and whitewash.
I’m just not sure why.
UNCLE VLADDIq says
He should move to Canada and join the Liberal Party, because his nonsense is right up there with Justin Turdeau’s historic statement that “WHEN YOU KILL YOUR ENEMIES, THEY WIN!”
Davegreybeard says
What turns a seemingly normal anti-Jihadist into an angry babbling fool?
Time and again:
PRCS says
June 15, 2017 at 1:17 am
“Don’t HAVE to kill any of them–as the first option.”
Later:
We. Are. Not. Going. To. Kill. Ourselves. Out. Of. The. Terrorism. Problem.
Still later:
“We’re not going to kill our way out of “the terrorist problem”.
It’s the thought that we might have to kill our murderous Jihadi enemy that has totally paralyzed PRCS and turned her into an idiot.
“Thou shalt not kill” at anytime for any reason, playing endlessly in her little head. She just wants it to be true SO BADLY, that she aggressively (and foolishly) challenges anyone who tells her differently.
It’s the killing thing. Period.
gravenimage says
Yes, Dave–PRCS seems offended by the idea that some Jihadists might get killed. Not sure why.
PRCS says
You are full of shit on this, GI.
You know that and you can find nothing to back up that lie.
That I seem offended by the idea that some jihadists might get killed is in your head, not my posts. I would normally say that’s beneath you.
But it apparently isn’t.
If I’m apologizing for Islam, distracting from it, then so are you with your acknowledgement that Islam is not the only issue and that people suffer from the actions of other terrorists.
Let me be clear GI. This is the most untrue aspersion you’ve cast against me over the years.
And Davey, you still embarrassed yourself with that idiotic challenge. Despite your chest thumping bravado and stupid assertion about my expertise, you were wrong.And now you’re reduced to slinging childish, homophobic epithets to cover that embarrassment.
““We’re not going to kill our way out of “the terrorist problem”.
That’s what the admiral said and you’re not qualified to shine his shoes–let alone critique his veracity.
Davegreybeard says
“The lady doth protest too much.”
@PRCS
“Let me be clear GI. This is the most untrue aspersion you’ve cast against me over the years.”
Hmmm. I am prompted to ask the question: What other “less untrue aspersions” have you cast against PRCS over the years, graven? But that might lead us down a rabbit hole…
But back to one of the puzzlements at hand, I was trying to be oh so careful not to sling any “homophobic epithets” (Of course, not that I would object to that when necessary) so, where exactly did I fail?
As to:
“That’s what the admiral said and you’re not qualified to shine his shoes–let alone critique his veracity.”
I am a free American citizen. The Admiral works for me, not the other way around.
And the main puzzlement;
Every poster here, most of them extremely knowledgeable about Islam and its history, have labeled the Admiral a fool, because of his unrealistic ideas and strategy. Most of them have declared his ideas as both obfuscatory and destructive to our war effort.
I may have missed it, but I see no one here supporting you or the Admiral.
You claim to have started posting here in 2004. In all that time, have you ever found yourself disagreeing with virtually everyone on the board?
Do you not find it odd?
I certainly do. So in the absence of any logical explanation, I presume it must be emotional.
It’s the killing thing, isn’t it?
PRCS says
Remember that Canadian kid who stole an aiplane last year, GI?
You were so convinced that his plan had been to conduct a suicide attack with it at an empty mall at 1 in the morning.
You didn’t have a clue there, either.
PRCS says
Only when they’re losers like you.
For those who haven’t been following along:
Davegreybeard says
June 14, 2017 at 7:00 pm
The Admiral, like PRCS, having exactly zero understanding of ground combat, not to mention the teachings of Sun Tzu, is confused. What is unforgivable is the militant ignorance of their positions.
PRCS says
June 14, 2017 at 8:01 pm
And who are you to declare, to assert that the Admiral and I have zero understanding of ground combat?
Rather presumptive, wouldn’t you say.
Reply
Davegreybeard says
June 14, 2017 at 8:10 pm
O.K. PRCS, please list your claim to know about these things.
As for me, Lieutenant in the United States Army, served in combat in Viet Nam and have studied wars, combat actions and Sun Tzu extensively. Following wise counsel, “Hold your friends close and your enemies closer.” I have also studied The Quran, the Hadith, the “Sirat Rasul Allah” and the Sharia.
I presume you know little of these things because of the ridiculous and provably false assertions you make.
Reply
PRCS says
June 14, 2017 at 8:46 pm
Retired mil.
21 years.
Don’t be such a presumptive, pompous ass.
You’re a loser, Davey.
PRCS says
66 years old
Active duty 1968–1989
How about you, Davey?
Do you really think you’re the only Viet Nam vet here?
You have a big mouth.
You got your shoe stuck in it with that stupid. false presumption about my military service and expertise. And with your stupid challenge.
You can play word games. Pretend you’re a man.
But your biggest accomplishment on this thread has been making a fool of yourself.
gravenimage says
I wrote:
Yes, Dave–PRCS seems offended by the idea that some Jihadists might get killed. Not sure why.
PRCS wrote:
You are full of shit on this, GI.
You know that and you can find nothing to back up that lie.
…………………………………………
PRCS, you have been angrily spamming this thread, enraged that anyone might take issue with the idea that anyone might disagree with Kirby over not killing Jihadists.
I said you seem offended by this.
If you mean something else, please say so.
More:
Let me be clear GI. This is the most untrue aspersion you’ve cast against me over the years.
…………………………………………
I actually recall your generally being pretty sane before this, so I’m not sure what you are referring to.
PRCS says
“I wrote:
Yes, Dave–PRCS seems offended by the idea that some Jihadists might get killed. Not sure why.
PRCS wrote:
You are full of shit on this, GI.
You know that and you can find nothing to back up that lie.
…………………………………………
PRCS, you have been angrily spamming this thread, enraged that anyone might take issue with the idea that anyone might disagree with Kirby over not killing Jihadists.”
Still full of shit, GI. Where in that article did Kirby say he’s opposed to killing jihadists?
“I said you seem offended by this.
If you mean something else, please say so.”
So that you can continue your idiotic misinterpretations, fantasies, and manufactured accusations? And you’re saying please, now, too?
Jesus Christ!
Try these:
PRCS says
June 14, 2017 at 9:48 am
Not every act of terrorism, not every terrorist is motivated by religion.
June 15, 2017 at 5:34 pm
PRCS, you have posted over and over again on this thread, clearly upset that some people might–as you see it–conflate Islam with terrorism.
PRCS says
June 15, 2017 at 8:41 pm
No, GI.
Over and over again that many posters are associating Islam, and Islam alone, with the word terrorism.
And I remember you before you started castigating people for not being “anti jihadist” enough for you.
Davegreybeard says
New Arab boyfriend?
New Muslima girlfriend?
And bottom line, It’s the killing thing.
Very weird.
PRCS says
It’s the killing—only—without a multifaceted plan and a defined goal.
More presumptions on your part.
As always.
PRCS says
You know, like our “body count” strategy.
The killing thing?
The admiral: “We’re not going to kill our way out of “the terrorist problem”.
You: “But we cannot kill our way out of Islam. For that we need a world wide education/propaganda campaign which is not even in the planning stages yet”
Not only are you a big mouth fool, you’re a hypocrite.
PRCS says
The admiral:
“Instead of physical war, Kirby advises using a “multifaceted” strategy”
““We’re not going to kill our way out of “a terrorist problem”.
You:
“Every poster here, most of them extremely knowledgeable about Islam and its history, have labeled the Admiral a fool, because of his unrealistic ideas and strategy. Most of them have declared his ideas as both obfuscatory and destructive to our war effort.”
“I may have missed it, but I see no one here supporting you or the Admiral.”
You:
“But we cannot kill our way out of Islam. For that we need a world wide education/propaganda campaign which is not even in the planning stages yet”
Except you.
PRCS says
Davey,
The Fraud.
Bukolla says
PRCS I am new to this site I think you are right. The Admiral is very smart well educated ,maybe he should run under the democratic ticket in the next presidential race? If you can pardon my ignorance and expand on what is Admiral Kirby multifaceted plan is. If you did this maybe you could win the hearts and minds, change their views of people posting on this site.
PRCS says
Don’t know, as he did not provide specifics.
But it does, wisely IMO, involve more than simply trying to kill our way out of a terrorist problem–wherever and by whomever.
Davegreybeard says
You are almost incoherent here and I am tempted to forget it and do more productive things.
But I am curious as you have been posting here for years. Yet now, all of a sudden, you are at odds with and attacking everyone on the board. No one here agrees with you.
Why is that?
PRCS says
The admiral:
““We’re not going to kill our way out of “a terrorist problem”.
“Instead of physical war, Kirby advises using a “multifaceted” strategy”
You:
“But we cannot kill our way out of Islam. For that we need a world wide education/propaganda campaign which is not even in the planning stages yet”
You did agree with the admiral, but then:
You:
“Every poster here, most of them extremely knowledgeable about Islam and its history, have labeled the Admiral a fool, because of his unrealistic ideas and strategy. Most of them have declared his ideas as both obfuscatory and destructive to our war effort.”
“I may have missed it, but I see no one here supporting you or the Admiral.”
Yes, Davey, you do.
You’re a hypocrite a phony, and a fraud.
You started this, because you’re a self important ass who apparently didn’t expect my response.
“The Admiral, like PRCS, having exactly zero understanding of ground combat, not to mention the teachings of Sun Tzu, is confused. What is unforgivable is the militant ignorance of their positions.”
Davegreybeard says
You hanging out with and doing the same drugs as wonderfully enlightened people who tried to poison Robert?