Back the ban, and expand it.
“London Bridge attack: 2 killers identified,” by Angela Dewan, Ben Westcott and James Masters, CNN, June 5, 2017:
London (CNN)British police have identified two of the three men behind Saturday night’s terror attack in London as Khuram Shazad Butt and Rachid Redouane.
Butt, 27, was a British citizen who was born in Pakistan, London’s Metropolitan Police said. Police and MI5 — the UK’s counterintelligence and security agency — were familiar with him, but there was no intelligence to suggest the weekend attack was being planned, police said.
Redouane, 30, who also used the name Rachid Elkhdar, had claimed to be Moroccan and Libyan.
Police said 11 people had been detained in a series of raids following the attack, in which seven people were killed and 48 others injured.
British Prime Minister Theresa May had said police had identified all three attackers and would release their names “when the investigation permits.”
May faced a barrage of questions Monday on deep cuts made to police numbers in the UK while she was Home Secretary.
Authorities also faced scrutiny over what they knew about the alleged perpetrators of the attack in which the three men rammed a van into pedestrians on London Bridge and went on a stabbing spree in nearby Borough Market.
The three men in Saturday’s assault were shot dead by police, who said the men were wearing suicide belts that turned out to be fakes.
The carnage is the third such terror attack on British soil in three months and the second in London involving the use of vehicles as weapons. In March, 52-year-old British national Khalid Masood rammed a vehicle into a crowd on Westminster Bridge and stabbed a police officer, in an attack that left five people dead….
Johan Larsen says
Pakistani-British? It is amazing how easily those people get UK passports! If you are a white South African it is virtually impossible to get even a tourist visa. They are afraid you might stay in UK.
But, Robert had his own experience with Ms May 🙂
bob says
Totally agree with Johan Larsen; we had many from South Africa who were struggling to get any help from this government to settle and ended up going back to SA. We have our priorities wrong; we need to screen those who want to come here and stop being so politically correct. MY wife is from SE Asia and it was so difficult getting her here when the government changed the rules in the last minute.No more Islamic believers!!
Terry says
It was a perversion of Islam, and the Pakistani felt marginalized. (Did I leave out anything from m the official statement?)
I doubt that May or anyone (possible exception Pres Trump, will say it is Islamic.
RichardL says
They are ugly and that made them do it.
Der Spiegel actually made your argument today.
jihad3tracker says
Yes, RichardL —
Has anyone reading this EVER SEEN A HANDSOME MUSLIM MALE ADULT?
Centuries of inbreeding inevitably creates the faces we see in these sociopaths.
gravenimage says
Terry, how about the Muslim community being the “real victims”? You hear that crap all the time, as well.
Terry says
Graven–sorry I forgot that. HOWEVER, I READ- BRIEFLY 9 NOT THE ENTIRE ARTICLE) NEW YORK POST:
One of the three was “traumatized” because when he was 8 years old, his father died; and the same year he was hit by a car, and walks with a limp”.
The article goes on to quote someone or other that the father took care of the children, the mother was abusive, etc.
POOR DEARS.
SO, what? 15 or so years later, because he was ‘ traumatized” when he was 8 years old, he goes and kills people.
THE SOB SISTERS, STILL GOING STRONG AFTER MORE THAN 100 YEARS.
When will this ( both the jihadists and the sob sisters) stop???
(Note: ERLE STANLEY GARDNER, who wrote the Perry Mason stories, books, etc, decades before Perry Mason-the early 1900’s-until I think the 1930’s or so- wrote a number of police and detective stories. In them, (at least those i was able to get) there were the ” sob sisters” crying about the poor perp.
gravenimage says
Yes, Terry–I *hate* this apologia for evil.
I came from an abusive and criminal home. I did have to work hard to overcome this and live a good life–but I never once considered mass-slaughtering unbelievers as a result. And many Jihadists, as has been proven over and over again, actually come from fairly privileged backgrounds.
Funny that Infidels never turn to Jihad as a result of rough childhoods and bad breaks…
Westman says
There is no better proof these terrorists were Muslims – no Imam will bury them.
ConnectingDots says
Will Hertz stop renting vans to Muslims?
RichardL says
It’s the Juice fault!
jihad3tracker says
Off topic but very important — this link goes to part 1 of David Wood’s brilliant 3 part video, titled “The Psychology of Islam”:
http://www.answeringmuslims.com/2017/03/the-psychology-of-islam-part-1.html
I have to do some urgent errands right now, but later this afternoon I will expand on my comment here. Stay tuned, please.
jihad3tracker says
Now to my point, as to what David is doing, and which I believe has never been accomplished by any major expert on Islam who has a web footprint: explaining why the Qur’an commands so much subjugation and violence, by using the psychology of human personality development as context. As David correctly observes, Allah is the repressed subconscious of Muhammad.
Part 1 runs a longish 18 minutes, but absolutely worth your undistracted time. If hyper-busy, start at exactly 14:30, where David gives the tragic early childhood of Muhammad — and I am not being sarcastic. Part 2 runs even longer, but if you can possibly carve 25 minutes out of your calendar, I urge you to view that segment of the total video..
Hindu American says
NOOOOO!!! Not Pakistani???
Hindu American says
Following up on my earlier message, this paki thingy gets more and more weird. This butt-jihadi was apparently part of the Brit Channel 4 documentary titled The Jihadis Next Door. Here’s the link:
https://twitter.com/SkyNewsTonight/status/871799741645856771
This is getting really embarrassing for the Brits! Right under their noses and they even made a documentary on him.
gravenimage says
How many times have we seen this happen–where the Jihadists were well known to the authorities, the police, and even the press–and yet were still free to mass-murder Britons?
Anne Smith says
I wrote to my MP about the disgusting gathering in Bedford Corn Exchange where pro Sharia and anti British Muslim speakers were addressing a packed house.
I received a patronising sermon about how the security services were well on top of everything and didn’t really need people like me trying to inform them, from the Minister in charge of counter terrorism. Believe it or not his name was Tariq Ahmed – a Muslim from an immigrant Pakistani family who was put in the House of Lords by David Cameron. Not even elected but a placeman.
Not surprising then that they have all been somewhat caught out by Manchester and London – they just don’t want to know.
Here is the link to the dreadful evening in Bedford
http://www.breitbart.com/london/2015/11/14/exclusive-as-paris-burned-uk-islamists-told-muslims-to-struggle-for-islamic-state-in-unprecedented-islamic-show-of-force/
Ace-of-Clubs says
I hope all those who have been injured make good recoveries in time, but they will be traumatised for years. The media is not keeping us informed about how the injured from the Manchester attack are recovering, they seem more concerned with showing images of women in hijabs saying that Islam is the religion of peace. A collective madness has taken over politicians, the media, social policy makers, educationalists, social workers etc, the type of collective madness that took hold in Germany during the rise of Nazism.
The only beacons of hope are people like Robert spreading the word about what Islam really is. If I were Prime Minister of the UK, i’d have Robert as an advisor on Islam. But western politicians don’t look at websites like this one, unless it is their lackeys trying to shut down free speech. Millions of westerners prefer to bury their heads in the sand and repeat the lie “Islam is a great religion, it is a religion of peace, etc “
simpleton1 says
“showing images of women in hijabs saying that Islam is the religion of peace”
We need a protest where at a certain point, to stand in solidarity with ‘victims of terror’ the burkas, niqabs, and hijabs are removed, placed in a bin and burnt.
A great symbol of being together.
With a vow of ‘never again’.
Later this could go on to greater things that could be burnt, like shaving those beards, burning robes and silly hats. All in the name of support and peace for the victims of “terror”.
Well they put themselves out there, just a matter of setting it up.
CNN are good at setting things up. That is what CNN should have done.
It is a first step, and there are a few further steps to take. 🙂
James Mackey says
Here we go again…arrests after the attack.
somehistory says
Look like residents of the local roach motel.
How dare these two lower-than-life, demon-inspired scum, take the lives of others. They have not gone to Paradise and never will.
zulu says
OT
CNN reporter is caught up in ‘fake news’ row after being accused of ‘setting up’ a Muslim counter-terror protest
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4573882/Fake-news-row-Muslim-protesters-TV-crews.html#ixzz4j9j75J00
Terry says
Zulu– CNN has been making its own news, all fake, for decades. And, they always defend what they are doing, as being real news.
Consider, the founder of CNN IS (OR WAS)JANE FONDA’S HUSBAND. He used to talk about CNN and his ‘rags to riches”–which would be fine, except his father owned one of the largest billboard companies in the US, and sold out for many millions, of which Junior got a healthy share.
Bill says
Has NBC confirmed this yet?
mgoldberg says
two muslims from muslim nations. And one had a barbecue the week before if I read another article correctly. And he was described as a friendly, even loving guy, giving ice cream to the kids.
Of course when it came to shoving a knife in a non muslims body again and again and shouting to the poor defenseless person, ‘this is for Allah, this is for my family’, why we have to let the politicians tell us it’s exremism, and has nothing to do with Islam.
Nothing to do with Islam.
And heaven help us if such as Pres Trump wants a mild 90 day travel moratorium, becaues heave help us… it might have some connotation with muslims or Islam.
And that would be bad?? Why exactly??
Jihad is the penultimate of Islam, and the holiness of the act is exemplified with the Ramadan, holy month, increase in homicidal slaughterings of non muslims, and some other muslims for what’s that’s worth. And yet, we in the west are just so bigoted if we point out that it might, just might, in some teeny weeny way, have anything to do with Islam.
Richie says
It happened again- hard left atheists at my workplace who delight in mocking Christianity were the first to defend Islam. Why do atheists have such love for this death cult? One would think they would be at the forefront of denouncing islam
gravenimage says
Some Atheists are quite savvy–there are many here like JW contributor Hugh Fitzgerald, as well as figures like Christopher Hitchens.
But all too many are “politically correct” and in denial over the threat of Islam.
mgoldberg says
Oh, and they wore fake suicide belts, to prevent victims from taking them out.
What’s fake is that Jihad, and Islam are a religion as such. Oh… Islam can be a religion, as much as any other, but it is a homicidal serial killing machine that refuses to be critiqued or judges, by anyone including itself. And including the politically correct disbelievers except in support all ‘victims’ even when they’re not victims, but victimizers.
Jihad is not religioius practice- it’s the practice of homicidal serial murdering, as evidenced by thousands and thousands of such attacks by muslims.
Now… full forced ending all immigration from all muslim nations, is entirely in order, until and if Islam accepts it’s responsibility, which it can’t since the hijira, or migration to non muslim nations, so as to grow Islamic rule, and sharia is their purpose, and we need to understand that it is not normal for ‘religions’ to blow up others, and it’s not ‘normal’ to allow Islam, muslims, Jihadists, to terrorize the world.
Or is that too hard to understand?
Johan Elzinga says
It goes way beyond this. One of these men was known to be a jihadi terrorist, and he skipped bail before in the UK. In fact, he skipped bail to join ISIS, and was recognised on ISIS videos where he was with his brothers and the ISIS vlag having a ceremony in Syria. Euronews showed us this video tonight on the Eurochannel. Which is remarkable, because those channels usually do everything to hush about the connection of terror with islam. When asked by the reporter about why he was not arrested after he got back to Barking where he lived, the answer was: “there was not enough evidence”. A shattering fact, it really hurt my brain. They could have invited all of them and have them given free ammo, and the devastation would not have been bigger than this. 48 severely injured in hospital, many fighting for their lives, and seven dead at this moment. How inadequate can a government be???
dumbledoresarmy says
It’s now *eight* dead. They found the body of someone who had been pushed off the bridge into the Thames during the car-ramming part of the attack.
Richie says
Soon the people will stand up and say enough is enough
Benedict says
– except leftists who will stand up and say: give us more Islam and more Muslims! –
– The final solution has changed its strategy: first it was the extermination of Jews all over the world, now it is the proliferation of Muslims all over the world.
gravenimage says
Two London jihad murderers identified: a Muslim from Pakistan and a Muslim from Morocco or Libya
……………………………
Muslims from all over the world get together–to slaughter Infidels.
God, I hate Islam.
Benedict says
At least we share the same global perspective on the evils of Islam, G:
“Workers of the world, unite! You have nothing to lose but your chains!”
Mutatis mutandis:
Muslims of the world, unite! You have nothing to lose only virgins to gain!
gravenimage says
Well, I believe we both recognize the threat of Islam, Benedict.
RationalVoice says
A very curious phrase “enough is enough” from Theresa May who despite starting her self imposed election campaign with a massive lead in the opinion poles seems to be doing her best to lose it with mistake after u-turn after wrong choice of words etc etc.
When was the murder of innocent people not enough then Theresa 9/11,7,7,Soldier Rigby, Westminster Bridge,Thousands murdered and tortured around the World !!!
The World has a very serious problem here and a very serious solution is required .Cognizant Denial Syndrome is not acceptable from Democratic Governments
The inspiration is from the religion of Islam and its so-called holy books.Every country with an Islamic population or which has brainlessly acquired an Islamic population is suffering this very pure form of terrorism.Most terrorists claim to be freedom fighters but the freely admitted purpose of Islamic terrorism is to terrorize. I learnt today that Ireland and Finland have the highest proportion of their Islamic population compared to other countries going to fight for Daesch. One of the deranged individuals shot dead in Borough Market,London was a former 5 year resident in Ireland and carried an Irish I.D. card
I hope the Irish “bleeding heart” head of “refugee” welfare at the U.N. can sleep well after he and the Pope persuaded European countries to fling open their doors to this alien barbaric cult !!!!
Anne Smith says
Teresa May’s inadequacy is being exposed further as this election campaign and the terrorist attacks are showing. Her shallow intellect, lack of clarity of thought and repeated use of cliches demonstrate her threadbare policies and inability to grasp the essential nature of Islam.
John A. Marre says
The corruption of their souls is evident on their faces.
Shmooviyet says
Yes, agreed.
Reminded of Quint describing a shark: “… lifeless eyes, like a doll’s eyes…”
Nightmare faces.
davej says
All 3 native born “citizens”, I believe. We must keep them out so they aren’t breeding still more “lone wolves”. The second generation can be worse than the first, younger and more alienated (by choice). Their “holy religious duty” calls on them to rape and murder their hosts – disgusting savages that they are.
abad says
Deport them back to their nations of origin.
Muslims do not belong in the UK.
Stan Lee says
Trump used the Obama generated 6 Muslim-dominated nations as those countries he wanted temporarily banned from traveling visas to the USA. The ban was not permanent, Trump judged that a 90 day travel ban would suffice for us to have developed a system to deal with such refugees. Curiously, the Obama “research” did not include Saudi Arabia nor Pakistan, and Pakistan in particular seems a breeding area for Islamic extremism. The most extreme Muslim leader in the UK is from Pakistan.
Nilnabh says
The U.S ,U.K,Saudis and Pakistanis have been in the same bed for the last 50 years. Trump not uttering a squeak about the Saudi and Pakistani filth while waxing eloquent about jihad tells me what I need to know. The more things appear to change the more they remain the same!!
Baucent says
“Redouane, 30, who also used the name Rachid Elkhdar, had claimed to be Moroccan and Libyan.”
Bottom line is they haven’t a clue who he is. Great immigration policy. May was probably the Home Secretary when this character entered the country.
notMYprophet says
Tommy Robinson generating massive support in UK,
new website, etc. Here’s the short video…
https://youtu.be/ERbhnfn9JNs
If you can –
Join Tommy Robinson In Manchester This Sunday 11th June To March Against Hate, 5/6/2017
Bernie says
The image on the right is computer generated, he must have no photo on file and they used a photo of his corpse to make it.
Lorensacho says
Why is Pakistan not on president Trump’s list of travel ban countries?
Terry says
Pakistan is not on the list because Pres Trump USED THE LIST THAT OBAMA’S SECURITY AND INTELLIGENCE DEPARTMENTS said were the most dangerous/likely to have terrorists.
(Probably- a guess- thinking that liberturds would not go against something that had Obama’s signature all over it).
Mahendra Singh says
The surname “Butt” indicates his Kashmiri origin. Thousands of immigrants were
imported from the Mirpur district of “Azad” Kashmir in the late forties to work the
textile mills of central UK.
Any similarity with human posterior is purely coincidental.
solange silverman says
Their eyes always have that same, dull look. Man, Islam sure did a number on these murderous robot sheeple. Islam, making entire cultures mentally ill for centuries.
Tom W Harris says
But…but…but THAT would mean they’re both (GASP!!!!) muslims!!! Whocouldanode????