“I knew he lectured people on the Koran and there were always people dressed in robes coming in and out of his apartment. He was always nice, but yesterday he was an entirely different level of niceness.”
Perhaps he knew a major Ramadan jihad attack was afoot, and the thought of all those massacred Infidels cheered him. “Kill them wherever you find them,” says the Qur’an he used to lecture people about (cf. 2:191, 4:89, 9:5).
“Armed police arrest 12 at East London tower block in connection with terror attack that killed seven and injured nearly 50 as officers pore over scene at London Bridge and Borough Market for clues,” by Chris Pleasance, Stephanie Linning and Jake Wallis Simons, Mailonline, June 4, 2017:
Twelve people have been arrested in connection with the London Bridge terror attack as police carried out an early morning raid on an east London tower block.
Armed police stormed the Elizabeth Fry flats in Barking, east London, where one of the terrorists is believed to have lived in a ground-floor flat.
The complex was placed on lock down before several men were taken outside, where they were made to lie face down on the ground with their hands cuffed behind their backs.
Seven people were killed and 48 others injured when three men mowed down pedestrians on London Bridge and before they began ‘randomly stabbing’ victims in nearby Borough Market.
The three attackers, who were wearing fake suicide vests, shouted ‘this is for Allah’ as they used 12-inch hunting knives to attack unarmed revellers at busy bars and restaurants in the market, sending dozens of others fleeing for their lives. One of the suspects was wearing an Arsenal football shirt.
Speaking outside No 10 today, Theresa May confirmed the London Bridge atrocity, the third on British soil in as many months, is not directly connected to last month’s Manchester bombing or Westminster attack in April but that all three are linked by ‘the single evil ideology of Islamist extremism’. The terror threat level remains at ‘severe’, meaning another attack is ‘highly likely’.
Meanwhile forensic teams arrived at London Bridge and Borough Market to scour the area for clues as they try to identify the attackers.
A neighbour told Mail Online that he knew the man who lived at the address police are thought to have targeted.
He said: ‘I used to play table tennis with him in the lobby of the apartment.
‘I can’t believe it. He approached me yesterday and asked me where I hired a van recently. He said he needed one as he was going to move house.
‘He was acting strange yesterday. He was being nicer than normal.
‘He would always chat and was very friendly. Last week he invited me to a barbecue. He was always a very sociable person. It is such a shock.
‘I knew he lectured people on the Koran and there were always people dressed in robes coming in and out of his apartment. He was always nice, but yesterday he was an entirely different level of niceness.
‘He spoke with a British accent.’
Another neighbour named Jamal said the man who lived there was a father-of-one whose wife was pregnant, and aged in his twenties.
He told Mail Online: ‘He was always with children, they loved him. He had a good connection with children.
‘I always saw him with his child playing in the park. He played with other children too.’…
Arthur says
One question: why does a jihadi wear a fake suicide vest?
Is it to keep the cops at a distance while they go around cutting people up?
Dan says
Probably because that would keep people from mobbing him, to stop him from carrying out knife attacks.
A nut with a knife, people will only retreat so far, grouping up to give chase, or even shoot if this were America.
But shooting a nut with a bomb on might detonate the thing.
Johan Elzinga says
Did I mention somewhere in the comments here on this site that NO DUTCH NEWSPAPER mentioned that the perpetrators were muslims, or that there was any connection with jihad or Koran? Should not come as a surprise, but I thought it was worth mentioning, days after the fact. We are being lied to by the media here in Europe.
WPM says
The Dutch will go the way of the Dodo bird, they have the same reaction when something is about to kill them and eat them. They both stare straight ahead {the bird and the Dutchman} and watch there own death play out right before their eyes. Make believe that they do not hate you ,let them control you, cattle down the end of the chute to become ground beef for the Islamic overlords! You cannot play nice with something that wants to eat you. The media are the fences, barbwire ,all around the chute the true cowards and appeasers, they will go down the chute also..
TV says
Yes. And instill more terror. Skilled counterterrorist police will shoot the head for immediate incapacitation so the asshole doesnt set the bomb off and so a center mass fired bullet wont set the bomb off.
Robert Crawford says
No, wrong. You shoot center of mass because that’s the best chance of hitting. Head shots with a pistol are Hollywood cheap.
Also, even if (extremely unlikely) a bullet would set off the vest, it’s better to set it off at a time NOT of the jihadi’s choosing.
Tom says
The police said it was probably so the armed police responding would just shoot them without attempting to arrest. These guys had knives so the standard response by police in the situation of a knife wielding assailant would be to demand they drip the knife and would only shoot if attacked. Wearing the vests that look real from a distance would make certain that the police would shoot without warning.
gravenimage says
Just intended to create more terror, one way or another–and as Tom notes, it makes it more likely that police will kill them and they can get their 72 rape victims in “paradise”.
no_one says
If Brits had Jesus in their hearts they wouldn’t be hurt on the night before the Pentecost, the birthday of the Church. You don’t eat and drink on that Saturday night. You don’t eat meat on that Saturday. Christians eventually go to confession then go home and read pre communion prayers. Then get the Holy communion on Sunday. Well I have a reason not to make it to the service today and this makes me a bit sad, but I didn’t go drinking on the night before Pentecost either.. I am still sad for the lost lives. I always pray for those killed by jihadis in ME, Africa, Europe and everywhere.
Phil Copson says
Idiot
no_one says
You are a racist.
Robert Crawford says
A meaningless word, uttered by an idiot.
Phil Copson says
“You are a racist.”
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No, but you are a fool. How does calling somebody an idiot make me a racist ? That remark is on a par with the woman who called me “a misogynist” because I corrected an error she made in posting about the bombing of London in WW2…..
I haven’t the slightest idea of – or interest in – your race and nationality, and neither do you know what my skin colour is. (Though as I have a mixture of Indian, West Indian and white British in my family, I do think that any racism might have been spotted by now…..)
Do let me know how you make the connection, and thanks for giving me a good laugh.
Meantime, I will explain why you are an idiot.
(1) You say that observant Christians should have been at home fasting on the evening before Pentecost, implying that there is some fault on the part of those who were attacked.
(2) Those who were attacked, were not attacked because they were Christians – observant or not – they were attacked because they weren’t muslims. Anybody and everybody who is not a muslim is the target of these attacks, and they also don’t particularly care if they kill innocent muslims in the process.
(3) Even if every single person in that area of London had been an observant Christian and had spent Saturday evening at home so that the streets were deserted, then THE ATTACKERS WOULD HAVE ATTACKED AT A DIFFERENT TIME, WOULDN’T THEY??? Honestly – some people…..
no_one says
You disrespect people’s religious beliefs. This makes you a racist. Just like you disrespect muzzies. Christians must be the same race as muzzies.
Phil Copson says
“You disrespect people’s religious beliefs. This makes you a racist. Just like you disrespect muzzies. Christians must be the same race as muzzies.”
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You really are as mad as a box of frogs, aren’t you ?
CogitoErgoSum says
Phil, why didn’t you express yourself in a polite and civil manner in the first place? Your reply of “idiot” added only bitterness and hatred to the conversation. I’d much rather have someone praying for me than hurling insults or worse at me. Your attitude towards those with whom you disagree seems to match that of the jihadists. Honestly ………
Phil Copson says
C.E.S – Six people are dead and fifty injured. For no_one or anybody else to use this as an excuse to make “serve-you-right-for-going-out-drinking-and-not-being-at-home-fasting-on-the-night-before-Pentecost-like-me” remarks is a deliberate and unfeeling insult to those people, and thoroughly repellent. It was callous, not Christian.
The later remark that I am a “racist” because I “disrepect people’s religious beliefs” is also idiotic, as well as being illogical and unfounded.
I haven’t commented on anybody’s religious beliefs, just on one individual’s unpleasant attitudes.
Your own comment that I have “hurled insults” and “added bitterness and hatred” is also idiotic. If you or no_one wants to go down any pub in London tonight and make “serves them right” remarks, you go right ahead, but rather than just being called an idiot, don’t be surprised if some indignant local punches your lights out.
Your further comment that my attitude matches that of jihadists is so irrational and grossly defamatory that you should be ashamed of yourself.
CogitoErgoSum says
Phil, I missed the part where no_one said “serves you right.” I still don’t see it that way….. but I do now understand that you took the entirety of that person’s comment to mean as much. Your initial one word response of “idiot” added nothing to my understanding of what you were thinking. Next time explain yourself more clearly from the start …. and, no, I don’t feel ashamed of anything I said.
gravenimage says
Good posts, Phil.
Victoria says
You atheist ignoramus. Go troll somewhere else.
no_one says
Do I sound like an atheist?
Your worst Nightmare says
You sound like a MORONIC IDIOT
no_one says
worst nightmare is a racist too.
WPM says
no_one says Is an Islamic Troll true Christian would not blame deaths on people because of there sins. Hate the sin, love the sinner he who without sin cast the first stone, if you pray or fast do it quietly for your reward is in Heaven. Talking about how he is moral better then sinners cancels any prays church going fasting he does. He is by his bragging following the Islamic mind set that he is the “best of people” if he is not Islamic he is not following true Christian faith he is guilty of the sin of pride. Pride is the father and mother of many great sins. He is not an idiot ,or racist , his true spirit is weak shaken that he has to brag on line.
Leon Degney says
Doing all the things you mentioned reall has a great effect doesn’t it? What a brainwashed fool you are.
gravenimage says
no_one wrote:
If Brits had Jesus in their hearts they wouldn’t be hurt on the night before the Pentecost, the birthday of the Church. You don’t eat and drink on that Saturday night. You don’t eat meat on that Saturday..
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*Really*? You are blaming the victims for their own deaths? *Just sickening*.
Besides, for most Christian denominations there is no such ban on going out with friends or even having a drink on the night before Pentecost. What a load of tripe.
In addition, Jihadists have also murdered church-going Christians. The idea that if you are just pious enough Muslims won’t hurt you is crap.
More:
I am still sad for the lost lives.
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Not so sad you are not blaming the victims, though.
More, to Phil Copson:
You are a racist.
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Well, this is just ludicrous. How does taking umbrage at insensitivity have anything to do with race? Of course, it does not–unless no_one somehow believes that everyone of his ethnicity is an insensitive creep.
I have never heard Phil say anything racist, and he certainly does not here.
More:
You disrespect people’s religious beliefs. This makes you a racist. Just like you disrespect muzzies. Christians must be the same race as muzzies.
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This makes no sense at all. Phil never said that no_one didn’t have the right to stay home and fast or pray or observe the day before Pentecost in whatever way he thought fit.
And now no_one is saying that Phil is “racist” for “disrespecting” Muslims!
Islam is–as we note so often–*not a race*.
And what could no_one *possibly* think is worthy of respect in Islam? *Ugh*.
Aloha Akbar says
Not to mention that no_one referred to the followers of ‘The Religion Of Peace’ TM, as “muzzies”
Isn’t that being disrespectful no_one?
Georg says
no_one,
You’re an idot. Here’s to hoping something bad happens to you. Rude enough?
John W. says
This is why I don’t trust any of them, no matter how “nice” they may seem. This is all part of their jihad.
How can I tell if someone is truly just a nice peaceful person versus one is is hiding his true intentions.
Jack Diamond says
“We smile in the faces of some people although our hearts curse them.” Sahih al-Bukhari
gravenimage says
Exactly, Jack.
Jay J. says
Don’t trust a Muslim as far as you can throw them, their “sacred” text even allows them to decieve to try to befriend you, they will eventually turn on you.
Trust NOTHING that has to do with Islam
Koran 4:144 Believers! Do not take Kafirs as friends over fellow believers. Would you give Allah a clear reason to punish you? Koran 3:28 Believers should not take Kafirs as friends in preference to other believers. Those who do this will have none of Allah’s protection and will only have themselves as guards. Allah warns you to fear Him for all will return to Him.
Richard Paulsen says
No more running away. Change now.
Tom says
A witness said he tried to help a woman who was being stabbed but said “in the end I was helpless”.
An unarmed man is almost useless in this kind of situation unless he possesses skills in unarmed combat.
The Brits will soon be arming themselves with home made weapons just in case they happen to be at scene when one of these terror attacks occur.
The Brit PM has finally come out and identified the enemy. Perhaps they can actually start to fight back instead of cowering behing political correctness and useless platitudes.
Robert Crawford says
Anyone checked Amazon.uk for cricket and baseball bat sales?
kangi_yotaka says
No need to go that far… trench-raiding clubs, a.k.a. trench maces, are easily made.
robert_k says
12 arrested, another 23,000 – 12 = 22,988 to go.
Benedict says
Take courage, Robert, the government is in control: “The terror threat level remains at ‘severe’” –
Who, BTW, figures out these threat levels? Is it the weather man or the boogeyman?
Westman says
“He would always chat and was very friendly. Last week he invited me to a barbecue. He was always a very sociable person. It is such a shock.”
“We smile in the face of some people although our hearts curse them.” (Fath Al-Bāri, 10:544, quoted in Ibn Kathir, Tafsir, vol. 2, p. 141-143)
“O you who believe! Take not the Jews and the Christians as friends, they are but friends of each other. And whoever befriends them, then surely, he is one of them.” [Qur’an 5:51].
It’s no shock to anyone who knows Islam’s ideology.
Katnis says
Right. He was kind to the same people he ended up murdering on the bridge. He played with the children and socialized with them. Why? To keep the spotlight off of himself.
Tom says
Simple question to all muslims who are “nice”. Do you oppose the radical Islamic Jihadists that are attacking and killing people in the name of Islam?
If they refuse to answer, get quiet and walk away, or get angry, then you know that they support them but in a stealthy way to avoid actually showing their hand to us.
gravenimage says
The few times I’ve tried something like this I have always found some troubling revelations from Muslims–such as support for brutal Shari’ah law or genocidal hatred of Jews.
Robert Crawford says
This is why you always have pork at a barbeque.
J_not_a says
And have your dogs come with you. Big black ones are especially good to bring along.
Kay says
In the absence of awareness of jihad, people are left baffled and fill in whatever explanation fits their personality or politics.
Who ever heard of a “copycat crime” with several coordinated perpetrators, for instance?
We have nothing before this to make sense of these things: He was nice to children . . . until he decided to kill them (or their parents.) He was nice, even nicer when he wanted to rent a van to kill people with.
But to strengthen us, we have John 14:
He (the ruler of this world) has no power over me (Jesus).
Philo sophy says
Now it look absured to count terrorist events, as if each one is independent, without recourse to one reason. We should be able to related terrorist event with Quran and Quranic teaching, Islam must be declared as enemy religion to Nation–to citizen–to civilization, and must be treated according to knowledge.
There must not be any citizenship to followers of Islam, take away there right for western education and profession, all followers–believers be hold as enemy of nation and put under direct observation of Military forced, with order to shoot at site without recourse to any judicial process. Nation politics must be agree on defeating Islam, I am sure all nation on earth will follow if one nation start such war against Islam includes war against Islam type ideologies like Nazi-Naxalsim–socialism.
J_not_a says
May “confirmed this attack was not related to either the Westminster or the Manchester attacks”. Well THAT’S certainly a relief. See it’s not so bad now is it, not to worry, let’s not ovvereact or anything!
Terry says
I personally liked May’s comment. Which follows: is not directly connected to last month’s Manchester bombing or Westminster attack in April
She did ( give her a D- improvement from an F) linked by the ” evil ideology”—blah blah blah.
still no guts to call it what it is.
I feel sorry for the 72 Brits (if that many) who might still not be brainwashed- the choice between May and Corbyn, Like if the US had to choose between Carter, Obama , H R Clinton and Rice.
Terry says
New York City & New York State are on extra alerts etc. BUT, PERHAPS MY MIND IS GOING. DID NOT DEBASIO, JUST RECENTLY, SAY THAT NEW YORK IS SAFER BECAUSE OF THE ILLEGALS? AND THAT THE TRAVEL SUSPENSION–IT IS NOT A BAN-90 DAY PERIOD–IS DISCRIMINATORY AGAINST MUSLIMS?
(If the Amish and Mennonites were going around killing people, i would want their immigration stopped also, although i doubt that there have been any immigrants from those two sects- in any number- for the past 60 years–or more).
Jace says
On CNN, just a while back, Becky Anderson described the terrorists as ”gangsters, who had nothing to do with the faith.”
J_not_a says
Really, what else would you expect, it’s CNN.
maghan says
All this is puzzling as to why there is this reluctance to say that the source of the current spate of terrorism derives from Islamic doctrine. When Communism was seen to pose a threat, there was no hesitancy to say “communist doctrine is the cause”.
Pal says
Oh, those – never-ending – radicals…
abad says
The UK has a moral responsibility to shut down every single mosque on its soil and deport every single and last Muslim to Syria.
Enough is enough already.
Islam does NOT belong in the UK at all.
John A. Marre says
The inane comments of these people are disgusting. The media always look for this sort of thing, to make us think that the murderers are really just nice people, who play with their kids, and to make us ask “What ever could have pushed them to do such a thing?”
Reality: they’re Muslims. It’s Ramadan. They kill more in Ramadan, in case you haven’t noticed. They are not insane, although insanity and the fervent practice of Islam are easily confused.
no_one says
Very interesting that some JW readers have a jihadi mindset. If they were raised by muzzie parents they would be probably jihadis themselves. I don’t see how the mass murderers are worse than these. They just had tougher luck.
Terry says
no-one
what mass murderers are you talking about?
the ones like Jeffrey Dahlmer? Charles Manson and his followers? A few others?
REALITY CHECK: Add up ALL of the mass murders in the US – from 1900 to the present — the number– (using mass murderers as having murdered -say 4 or more) -probably less than 200. OMITTING GANGS KILLING OTHER GANG MEMBERS, AND DRUG DEALS GONE BAD- THOSE ARE ECONOMICALLY MOTIVATED. Numbers killed- my guess under 1,000.
Numbers killed in the US by Muslims -including 911–probably 4,500 -maybe more- and usually in large groups. Number of attempted mass murders-stopped- unknown but I am sure at least a few hundred- and most never making the lame stream media.
As to the jihadists had tougher luck. Bin Laden was from a rich ( not wealthy, but rich) family; most of his supporters were also form wealthy families.
The Trade Center bombers- came from affluent families. Many of the Kuwaitis who were killed (not enough) at the beginning in Afghanistan came form wealthy families.
no_one says
Just hatred in general. This is the jihadi mindset. If you hate those with different beliefs you are getting close to the jihadi mindset. This is the thing that stands out about these guys. Leftist are not much different. Some jihadi have “an excuse” because they grew up in a muzzie cult.
Georg says
no_one,
Did you spend a lot of time outside church as a kid eating paint chips?
gravenimage says
no_one wrote:
Very interesting that some JW readers have a jihadi mindset. If they were raised by muzzie parents they would be probably jihadis themselves. I don’t see how the mass murderers are worse than these. They just had tougher luck.
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no_one appears to think that taking issue with blaming the poor victims of this attack is “having a jihadi mindset”. How utterly grotesque.
So criticizing blaming the victims of terror is as bad as *mass murder*? How can no_one claim to be a Christian–or any civilized human being if he believes this?
More, replying to Terry:
Just hatred in general. This is the jihadi mindset. If you hate those with different beliefs you are getting close to the jihadi mindset. This is the thing that stands out about these guys. Leftist are not much different. Some jihadi have “an excuse” because they grew up in a muzzie cult.
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I hate Jihadist–does that mean that I hate people who have different beliefs?
This is true–but I make no apologies for it. The beliefs of Jihadists are *horrifying*, and include murdering children.
Doesn’t any decent person hate this?
Doesn’t no_one himself hate this? If he does not, how can he justify condoning such evil?
gravenimage says
UK: 12 Muslims arrested in connection with London jihad attacks, one “lectured people on the Qur’an”
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Well, of course he did. And then these pious Muslims finally acted on the contents of the Qur’an, and slaughtered unbelievers.
God, I hate Islam.
Georg says
Nice to see the wife-family-member-whatever-she-is sitting by dressed for peace. You wonder who these 23,000 lurking in the shadows supporting jihad are. They make it apparent as we do nothing. Can just imagine the dead eyes and contemptuous face she shares with so many of her “sisters” in our midst.
no_one says
I didn’t blame the victims. With sadness I see that people have gone astray, from Christ that is. But there is no compulsion in Christianity and I accept their choice. No matter how sad it makes me. People on JW are rude and I may stop coming here. After all I need to know who Christ is. No need to know what new atrocity the satan has invented. I don’t really care about stupid “elites” either. We know that rules will belong to the world and not have Christ in their mind. There might be an exception for one country and my time would be better spend learning their language. It is neither Polish.not Hungarian. I know islam is the problem. No need to read JW. JW doesn’t offer a solution anyway.
no_one says
And forgot this. If you hate one person, you are a hater. Period.
gravenimage says
no_one wrote:
I didn’t blame the victims.
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It certainly sounded like it, no_one–that if they were proper Christians they would not have been out where Muslims could murder them.
More:
With sadness I see that people have gone astray, from Christ that is. But there is no compulsion in Christianity and I accept their choice. No matter how sad it makes me.
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Your idea that all the victims were out drinking and carousing hardly seems to hold water. Does this characterization also apply to the traffic officer? To all of those just walking on the bridge? What if some of them were coming home from church? But you don’t seem to care about this.
More:
People on JW are rude and I may stop coming here. After all I need to know who Christ is. No need to know what new atrocity the satan has invented. I don’t really care about stupid “elites” either. We know that rules will belong to the world and not have Christ in their mind. There might be an exception for one country and my time would be better spend learning their language. It is neither Polish.not Hungarian. I know islam is the problem. No need to read JW. JW doesn’t offer a solution anyway.
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Standing up for the victims of Islam is not rude.
The idea that the form evil takes makes no difference is mistaken. You cannot defend against evil if you don’t know what it is, where it is striking, and what form it takes.
Standing against Nazism in 1940 and defending against Jihad in 2017 are both fighting evil–but they take different forms, and require different strategies.
You may surrender–that does not mean the rest of us intend to.
More:
And forgot this. If you hate one person, you are a hater. Period.
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I’m sorry–this is *not* always the case. As though hating innocent little children and the thugs who would murder them is one and the same thing.
Romans 12:9: “Love must be sincere. Hate what is evil; cleave to that which is good.”
I notice that you *still* appear to think that it is wrong to hate different beliefs–even if those beliefs are the darkest savagery.
Smart guy says
Today’s religion isn’t Christianity it is evolution. Evolution means survival of the fittest. Christianity is a philosophy whereby you send good hearted people on a guilt trip, by turning the other cheek and hoping that good will conquer evil. But the philosophy of Christianity does not work against Islam nor does it work against evil religions and evil philosophy. Communists call Christians suffering from “Delusions of Grandeur” and religion is “Opium” religion to Communists is nothing more than a drug and that people who are “Believers” are nothing more than stupid “Useless Eaters”
In Islam Communists are on the top of the death list. Real Communist countries like China have a zero tolerance for Moslems. The lefty lunacies in the west have been brainwashed by the capitalist press to believe the lies of their arch enemy. Big business invested billions into Saudi Arabia so that to protect their investments they are peddling the lie that Islam is a “Religion of Peace.” So when is the so called left wing going to read 1984?
If there is a God and if God created nature then obey natural law and stop wasting your time obeying philosophy that disobeys the laws of nature.