“Merkel thinks marriage is sacred bond between men and woman. Most Germans and all Muslim MPs believe in equality. Who needs integration?”
If Filipe Henriques really thinks that this is a sign that Muslims are integrating and accepting German values, he could be in for a rude surprise. Many Islamic groups in the West support same-sex marriage solely for tactical reasons: they know it will open the door to the legalization of polygamy. This is step toward the Islamization of society, not a step away from Sharia.
“All of Germany’s Muslim MPs voted in favour of same-sex marriage,” by Greg Wilford, Independent, July 2, 2017:
All six of Germany’s Muslim members of parliament voted in favour of same-sex marriage as Angela Merkel faced criticism for opposing the bill and announcing: “Marriage is between a man and a woman.”
Despite the Chancellor’s opposition, the historic “marriage for all” measure was approved with 393-226 votes in the Bundestag on Friday, leading hundreds of MPs to rise to their feet in a spontaneous standing ovation.
The Green Party, who launched rainbow confetti into the chamber when the result was announced, have since confirmed that the party has four Muslim lawmakers – Cem Özdemir, Ekin Deligöz, Özcan Mutlu and Omid Nouripour – who approved the legislation.
Aydan Özoğuz, a Muslim MP for the centre-left Social Democratic Party, also voted in favour of the bill after his party criticised Ms Merkel for “embarrassing” delays to the legislation.
The issue has divided the Chancellor’s Christian Democratic Union (CDU/CSU) party, which remains the largest in the German parliament and has enjoyed comfortable poll leads and local election victories ahead of September’s federal elections.
Ms Merkel has always been unequivocal with her personal opposition to marriage equality, but her party’s MP Cemile Giousouf, the first Muslim elected into the Bundestag in 2013, was praised on social media after endorsing the landmark measure.
Activist Filipe Henriques tweeted: “She’s a Muslim woman and a Conservative. She voted for marriage equality, most of her CDU colleagues voted against.
“Merkel thinks marriage is sacred bond between men and woman. Most Germans and all Muslim MPs believe in equality. Who needs integration?”…
Frank Anderson says
When I look back to post WW ONE Germany, chaos was the goal of the Communists and their allies. Order was the goal of the Nationalists and those who opposed the chaos. Chaos is still to me a primary tool of totalitarian takeover. Anything that weakens the economy, the moral and ethical standards, the drive of the society to do better as individuals, forces the collective solution in the control of a “strong leader”. Both extremes benefit between the fight between “order” and “chaos” while we suffer in the middle.
nicu says
Well said : merkel is a dictator who loves her Muslims only !
She is the downfall of Germany and Europe !
gravenimage says
Frank, I’m afraid your idea that the horrors of the National Socialists represented “order” is fairly questionable.
Frank Anderson says
The Nazis promised order, but as usual, ex they promised peace, they lied like dogs. The promise of order was only a contrast and smokescreen to attract people to their campaign out of total disgust with the communists and their allies.
gravenimage says
Very true, Frank.
Wellington says
Order by the Nationalists, Frank? Yeah, at the price of liberty. Hope you get this.
Frank Anderson says
Well, yes, the promise of order was a complete lie. Some people will say anything to get a vote, won’t they?
Flavius Claudius Iulianus says
Frank, you’ve been misunderstood. I get what you’re saying and I agree. Chaos is what is being cultivated. Look at all of Soros’ NGOs. What are they up to? “Color revolutions.” And for Soros it is a money making venture because as Lee Stranahan rightly says: “a failed state is the ultimate deregulation program!”
Truth 101 says
Spencer’s theory about Muslims wanting to open the door to polygamy is a good one, and could be a factor. My guess, though, is that the actual explanation (in most of these cases) is a simpler one: These Muslims won their seats with German votes, and thus are leftists.
Of course, you won’t see these policies when Muslims have total control.
Guest says
Agreed. I watch German talk shows where these types turn up: liberal/leftists calling themselves ‘muslim’ to accuse mid/right people of ‘racism’. They aren’t the ones who want sharia law, but polls show there are plenty of German muslims who do want it.
These liberal/leftist types will be thrown under the bus if sharia is achieved.
andra says
I don´t agree with you. These Muslims only pretend being Lefties in order to get the left voters. E.g. Aydan Özoguz, who even is part of the government. She wants to Change Germany into an islamic Country and conceals her true aims behind left talk of participation and freedom of Religion. The leftism is only the vehicle for the muslims take-over. The Lefies are only too dum to see it.
Manuel 2 Paleologus says
Perfectly wright. I hope more people would think like you do.
gravenimage says
Agreed, Andra.
harbidoll says
They use their own children to blast away landmines/ barriers ahead of their soldiers! The children dont always know whats happening.
harbidoll says
they best no get to comfortable in their liberalism cuz their Islamist masters might call on them at any time
Oliver says
Truth, i disagree both with your and Mr. Spencer’s views as to why the Muslims voted for same sex marriage.
In my view- will make it easier for them (Muslims) to identify homosexuals and kill them. They will not be in the closet, will be open.
The KISS principle- for Muslims-make it simple, stupid. And the Germans (like many Americans) (although we are- because HRC lost) not as far along as the democraps and liberals would like us to be as Germany and once great Britain.
My opinion
andra says
I think you are wrong. The homosexuals in Germany don´t have to hide at all so far. They can get some Kind of marriage already and have been pretty much acceped. In the media and politics being gay is even a plus for a carreer. For the gay community this new law was not necessary at all in order to get more rights.
Mike says
Or they just don’t care, as they don’t see it as applying/relevant to themselves.
mohamonator says
@Robert: I’ve heard the claim that support for same-sex marriage is a stalking horse for legalized polygamy, and also paedophilia and bestiality to boot. What is the reasoning behind this? I’m not disputing it, just wanting an insight into the thought process that goes on.
St. Manuel II Palaiologos says
You could try asking a Paedophile.
Mo says
@ mohamonator
“I’ve heard the claim that support for same-sex marriage is a stalking horse for legalized polygamy, and also paedophilia and bestiality to boot. What is the reasoning behind this? I’m not disputing it, just wanting an insight into the thought process that goes on.
It’s very straightforward and logical. Answer me this: Once the meaning of marriage is changed from what is has been for most of recorded history, one man/one woman to, in all practicality, “whatever you decide its”, then upon what basis can we deny that same perceived right of marriage to any other combination of persons that also demands it as their “right”?
I’ve asked this question to the same-sex marriage side more time than I could ever count. Never once have I received a direct answer to this very specific question. Never once.
That’s because there isn’t one.
Jayell says
It depends on what you mean by ‘marriage’. Traditionally, it is a 3-way legal contract between society and both individuals concerned to safeguard the children who are a consequence of the sexual activity of the couple, no more and no less. So in effect it is a Third Party insurance policy that presribes reponsibility and liability. If there are no chances of any such ‘consequences’ in a liaison between two individuals, then there is no point in engaging in a legal arrangement of this sort. The traditional C of E description of Marriage makes the pre-eminence of the procreative aspect very clear and it was never intended as just a legal prop to people’s romantic aspirations per se. In fact, indulging in a load of legal paraphenalia just to create an illusion of emotional stability where this can never be guaranteed in real life is really rather a ridiculous and expensive exercise in self-delusion since a romantic liaison is only valid as long as the psychological conditions that create it persist, and to have this sort of thing legally enforced once it has effectively ‘expired’ is about as constructive and pleasant as being compelled to eat food that is past its ‘consume by’ date. From this angle, ‘gay marriage’ is really rather a pathetic charade aimed at promoting the delusion of ‘normality’ for those whose proclivities can logically be shown to be anything BUT ‘normal’, and will probably be of no more value than a future source of income for lawyers.
Frank Anderson says
Jayell, a well-stated and written explanation of the reason for state involvement in marriage. Please consider as an introduction, “The purpose of marriage is divorce.” If it were not for provision for children and the orderly distribution of property there is no state interest present. Wills and contracts can be a useful substitute when the state’s role can be minimized. Thank you.
harbidoll says
the end results is Sodom/Gomorrah! Some say that was bad “hospitality” LOL. Others say homosexuality, but it was a LOT more than that. I think it starts with Goddess worship. That entails, almost always ,a Temple with Temple prostitutes, boys & girls.along with orgies. Very common. It degrades down from there to BTK, rape murder, & human sacrifice. What we see with ISIS (Isis is a major goddess of Babylon BTW. Ashura, goddess of war, Diana, goddess of the hunt) Check out a gay sex parade sometime, but dont follow them after the parade, U dont want to know. Ask the police if the arrest rate goes up after 1. The murder rate? Ask them
gravenimage says
harbidoll wrote:
I think it starts with Goddess worship. That entails, almost always ,a Temple with Temple prostitutes, boys & girls.along with orgies. Very common. It degrades down from there to BTK, rape murder, & human sacrifice. What we see with ISIS (Isis is a major goddess of Babylon BTW. Ashura, goddess of war, Diana, goddess of the hunt)
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harbidoll, you are mistaken in your belief that ISIS–the Islamic State–has anything to do with goddess worship. The Islamic State is just that–Islamic.
More:
Check out a gay sex parade sometime, but dont follow them after the parade, U dont want to know. Ask the police if the arrest rate goes up after 1. The murder rate? Ask them
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Actually, it doesn’t. Even back in the 1970s, many police volunteered to work the Gay Parade in San Francisco–it was solid overtime, a crowd generally in a good mood, and few crimes more serious than drinking in public or marijuana use.
Your idea that the murder rate goes up following gay parades is entirely mistaken.
harbidoll says
70’s, really? What about the law of thermodynamics? Things tend to run downhill. Being the “salt of the world” only slows things down. Thats why death is G-d’s Mercy. & 2 angles guard the Tree of Life. We wouldnt want to get stuck in this world forever.
Karen says
There is a direct answer, and you’ve just given it, and beautifully. But the folks who have made marriage equality their primary issue are a bit loath to repeat it; once you change the definition of marriage, who’s to say what marriage isn’t? Three, four, more? We are told it’s no ones business who loves who; well, okay, but there’s a lot of room in that statement. I personally believe most gay couples would be repulsed by triads, or more, or child marriages, but might be, ironically, as cowed to object as many straight people were about gay unions.
Stan Lee says
Is Merkel losing her edge in Germany’s Parliament, or is that “same sex marriage law” a shot across Merkel’s bow that for Parliament and Merkel, the party’s over? Six Muslims voting for “same sex” marriage? I can only glean from such voting that it would be convenient for German jihadis if the “same sex marriage couples” could then be found where the couples take up housekeeping together.
I’m actually sorry to have had such a thought, but I just don’t trust Muslim blokes to reject the directives of their quran. They are entirely capable of instantly turning into “Manchurian Candidates” !
Guest says
Where’s that leftist ‘love and respect for a practices,’ crap Merkel?
Voytek Gagalka says
“…it will open the door to the legalization of polygamy.”
Not only that. They (Mohammedans) will make secret black-lists of all gays and lesbians who will dare to enter into such arrangements and they will just wait “in wings” for them, ready to onslaught full power of sharia when the time will arrive. Be absolutely certain of this!
St. Manuel II Palaiologos says
The Muslims voted to destroy the Western family and Western civilization from within, not “for” gay “marriage.”
Nigel GFF says
An obvious consequence of same sex marriage is that you don’t get babies. Islamisation by womb (barren).
Frank Anderson says
Nigel, not entirely correct-lesbians visit sperm banks.
andra says
and gays pay for host mothers.
TheBuffster says
I’m wondering, Nigel, if you would want your son or daughter to marry a homosexual who’s in the closet – a person who has no sexual interest in your child and only marries in order to hide his or her sexual preference, to live a lie using your child as cover. Would you be willing to sacrifice your child’s marital happiness for the sake of making sure that homosexuals get to participate in making babies?
I think it’s better if people who are attracted sexually to their own sex and who – if they’re not bi-sexual – find the opposite sex unappealing or even off-putting, are free to live honestly and openly instead of dragging other people into a life of fakery.
RationalVoice says
Merkel’s vote against same sex marriage is an interesting one as it indicates that she probably is an Evangelical Lutheran as she claims to be and believes the strict condemnation of this practice in Leviticus 19. LBGT Christians seem to totally ignore this and so do trendy modern lefties amd liberal “Christians”
.As a Rational Atheist I do not have strong feelings about this but children of lesbians, their own or adopted, seem to me to require a male and a female figure in their daily life to develop emotionally in the right way.
A few years ago in England there was a man who murdered some people and shot a policeman in the face and blinded him and in the end killed himself and was heard to say just before tearfully(just before he shot himself) “I didn’t have a Dad”.Poor, weak or absent fathers in particular are well documented in the literature as often producing mentally unbalanced or criminal individuals and few criminals come from normal(I don’t apologize for using that word) traditional happy marriages.
I hope Merkel doesn’t get all her beliefs from Leviticus as most of it is way out of date and is more akin to Islam than modern common sense
gravenimage says
All of Germany’s Muslim MPs vote in favor of same-sex marriage
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Yeah, right. After the get a chance to impose Shari’ah law, they’ll be throwing those couples off roofs.
James says
The Nazis were rather tolerant of sodomy. Supporting gay marriage helps to ease the way to allowing marriage with minors, and sodomy with boys. The West is becoming more and more debased – this can only embolden Islam.
Frank Anderson says
James, please look further into the “Night of the Long Knives”. Hitler had Ernst Roehm and a bunch of other SA leaders killed. The details might give reason to question your proposition. I think you will find that Nazis wanted babies, “As long as the number of cradles exceeds the number of coffins we will prosper.”
ItsReallyQuiteClear says
I agree with other posts about facilitating zero or low birth rate marriages (through native German birth rates are low, even among heterosexual couples), and laying the ground work for legalizing polygamy and paedophilia. And also the suggestion that marriage certificates for same sex couples could be used as de facto death rolls for gays, after a planned Islamic takeover, through force, apathetic blindness, or demographic inertia. But I also think that we should remember that, to a Muslim who believes that sharia law supersedes governmental law, what does it matter to the Muslim MPs who voted for this bill? Wouldn’t it be nothing more, in their minds, than a meaningless exercise that allowed them to further exploit Western systems and values? If they believe that the mere existence of gays justifies their murder, what do they care if they’re “married” or not, under a Western legal system that they don’t recognize as valid?
I don’t think we can understand what Muslims do, from a Western or Judeo-Christian perspective. That’s not how they operate, and I don’t think it’s the best approach to trying to figure out what their goals are.
Boston Tea Party says
Look, this is not rocket science. President Obama initially campaigned for president on the pledge that he was opposed to gay marriage, and he believed marriage should be between a man and a woman. Of course he didn’t actually believe it for one minute, but he was an astute enough politician to withhold his true beliefs until the political winds were more in his favor–at which point he suddenly had an epiphany and became a staunch defender of gay marriage, as his base demanded.
I have no doubt these Muslim MPs are doing the exact same thing, just in reverse.
STJOHNOFGRAFTON says
Marriage Equality In Our Time. The naive Green / Dem / homosexual version of the Munich Agreement appeasement.
Frank Anderson says
I think a good parallel has been presented, which Hitler said as he walked out of the meaning that the piece of paper carried by Neville Chamberlain was meaningless. Lying to opponents is not a Nazi invention. Muslims have been practicing for 1400 years and know how to do it.
Frank Anderson says
Spelling and typing error: “meaning” should have been “meeting”. Witnessed by Reinhard Spitzy, private secretary to Ribbentrop.
Life Liberty Property says
I don’t know about this. Maybe let a good thing go on this one? Isn’t the most likely explanation that not everyone is serious about their religion and can vote like this?
lebel says
This is jwatch mate, islam is ALL evil ALL the time, so its impossible to have even one exception or the whole structure crumbles.
gravenimage says
“Or the whole structure crumbles”?
Does that mean that lebel is claiming that if Muslims were ever to do anything out of character that this means that Jihad is not a threat and that those 31,000+ Jihad terror attacks never happened?
How would *that* work?
lebel says
Not it doesnt GI, stop reaching and inventing strawmen
gravenimage says
A few months ago, lebel claimed that he was an Anti-Jihadist, and that his purpose here was to oppose Jihad.
Yet, he has never posted a single comment here that was not apologia for Islam. Really, just appalling.
al norm says
Islam is a public religion. Anyone with experience in Islamic countries knows that male homosexuality is very common. Ask the gays in Europe about their holidays in Morocco or any other north African country. It is impossible to live a devout life. Sharia is actually an ideal. So every single person is two faced. Not just about homosexuality. It is the norm. They are used to lying in public.
The next step to do with these Turkish(?)MP’s is get them into a debate with an Arab Imam in public. They would wilt.
Joe says
Germany is a crazy place these days. Merkel doesn’t care about who can marry who. She has no kids and her only ideology is Trotskysm/Marxism. She knew there was a majority who would vote pro same sex marriage, so she could say or vote whatever she wanted to deceive people. That is what she always does. Of course the muslims are doing everything to destroy the old order to gain places for their new sharia rule. So they go with the socialists first and wear the sheeps clothes to cover their real intent like it happened in Iran.
Richard says
“All of Germany’s Muslim MPs vote in favor of same-sex marriage”
Taqiyya?
Hang on a moment. There is another (much more plausible) explanation.
The so-called “Muslim” MPs are not in fact Muslim.
I did a search and all of them called the Armenian genocide as genocide. And one of them, possible an Iranian, has called for sanctions against Hezbullah.
When Muslims cease to be Muslims yes they do get integrated.
andra says
The genocide vote was Taqiyya as well. The most important part of the genocide vote – written by the Muslim Özdemir – was that the German Empire was complicit in the Armenian genocide. This vote is only preparing the grounds for Armenia to sue Germany for compensation for the Turkish genocide. On top it paved the way for the Herero to sue Germany.
Richard says
There is an assumption here – Once a Muslim, always a Muslim. Not true though. There are plenty who leave the faith.
andra says
But I do not believe that one of the Muslim politicians in Germany belongs to them.
Richard says
PS Germany was an ally of the Ottoman Turks at the time and failed to condemn or prevent the genocide. If Germany can admit guilt for the murder of Jews and others it’s not bad that they admit complicit guilt for the murder of the Christian Armenians.
andra says
And what about the Romans that were defeated in North Germany in the year 9 a.C.? Do you really think that any other Country in the world would be sued for having been an alley of someone?
lebel says
This is jihadwatch – you vote against the genocide law you are an evil MUSLIM – you vote for it you are an EVIL muslim
it does not matter what you do or say. All of it, good or bad, is proof that you are an evil Muslim.
You could die trying to save millions of jewish babies and jwatchers would call it a “advance taqqiya” to soften up future unbelievers.
Karen says
You bring up a good point, it can possible to see ulterior motive everywhere. But, once you know that the stated, written goal of the Muslim Brotherhood (and their Leftist allies) is to destroy a nation’s institutions from within, and replace them with Islam and Sharia, it becomes prudent to consider these possibilities, and particularly the actions of politicians.
Karen says
…it can become possible to see….
lebel says
The problem with that thinking is that you’re giving up your critical thinking skills for a pre-established conclusion and then you force facts to fit into that conclusion.
So “my Muslim colleagues hates gays, thats because he’s a Muslim” and “My Muslim colleague like Gays, thats because he is a Muslim using Taqqiya”
The very word evidence becomes meaningless here
Karen says
The stated ambitions of the Muslim Brotherhood are also evidence. Should that be discarded? I would hope not! Since I cannot gather evidence directly from someone’s mind, I need to consider other forms. The documents in which the MB states it’s goal of bringing down the West’s “miserable house from within” are very compelling to me, and many other people. I can also look to the UK, France, Germany, Sweden, among others, and see the process of social transformation in its beginnings, and the introduction of Sharia well underway. This is another kind of evidence. This is also called critical thinking.
You on the other hand in your first paragraph accuse me of “pre-established conclusions” with no particular evidence, even though I spoke of “prudent consideration”. I assume you are speculating generally, as are some people on this forum as they consider various possibilities for the things they see in the news.
Richard says
Agreed about the goals of the Muslim Brotherhood, but in using our institutions against us, they wouldn’t at the same time, use it against Islam, for example advocate for the sale of pork or non-halal meat.
Same sex marriage is clearly against Islam (here many bigoted Christians and Jews are in the same boat as the Islamists).
Here is a way the Muslim Brotherhood use deceit. They are pressing for the criminalisation of “Islamophobia” and have succeeded in Canada. “Islamophobia” is not defined so they have defined it as 1. hate crimes against Muslims (which is legitimate) and 2. Any criticism of Islam or Muhammad (which is most definitely not)
Karen says
Richard, a very interesting distinction.
gravenimage says
lebel wrote:
You could die trying to save millions of jewish babies and jwatchers would call it a “advance taqqiya” to soften up future unbelievers.
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lebel, if you present an example where a Muslim died trying to save millions of Jewish babies, I promise I won’t consider it to be Taqiyya. Waiting…
lebel says
Why wouldn’t you? is there some taqqiya exception Im not aware of? Islam requires its followers to lie and deceive infidels, what greater deception could there be then posing as some super schindler only to advance the cause of Islam and make it appear to be a religion of peace etc.
Do you have a taqqiya decoder ring? of course not.
lebel says
btw I found a few but you wont be happy. First of all instead of Millions we only get dozens of jews saved. Then, well they’re not all babies. So what does that mean? Taqqiya of course! well played Muslims…
“Selahattin Ulkumen, Turkey’s Consul General on the Greek island of Rhodes, also rescued Turkish Jews, and put himself in personal danger to do so. Hearing that the Jews of Rhodes were being herded onto cattle cars to be sent to Auschwitz, Ulkumen boarded the train and refused to leave until 50 Jews – who were either Turkish citizens or had other connections to Turkey – were released. Ulkumen was eventually named a Righteous Among the Nations by Yad Vashem.”
http://www.aish.com/ci/s/Muslims-and-Jews-Saving-Each-Other.html
gravenimage says
The dishonest lebel wrote:
Why wouldn’t you? is there some taqqiya exception Im (sic) not aware of? Islam requires its followers to lie and deceive infidels, what greater deception could there be then posing as some super schindler (sic) only to advance the cause of Islam and make it appear to be a religion of peace etc.
Do you have a taqqiya decoder ring? of course not.
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Pretending that inviting Infidels over for “Interfaith Night” and lying to them about Islam being a “religion of peace” is no different from giving your life to protect millions of Jewish babies is absurd.
There were indeed a handful of Muslims who risked their lives protecting their Jewish neighbors during the Holocaust.
This was not Taqiyya, but being very bad Muslims. These people were bad Muslims, but decent human beings.
Acting as though Taqiyya does not exist is absurd, though, as is the idea that Muslims give their lives to protect millions of Jewish babies. Still waiting for an example–although I won’t, of course, be holding my breath…
gravenimage says
What does lebel mean “I won’t be happy”? What grotesque calumny.
I have mentioned the few Muslims who helped save Jews during the Holocaust before–as an example of some Muslims being better than their faith. Pretending I have not is just more dishonesty for this enabler of savagery.
stevo-k says
not only will it open the way for polygamy, it will only really affect non muslims, muslim families and mosques will remain as intolerant as ever to same sex marriage or any homosexuality. this ensures that the wests birth rates will decline as the muslim birth rates will dominate. its purely tactical and strategic
ronyvo says
You got it stevo. The Muslims are the most hypocrites of all. They go killing homosexuals, yet the support it legally!!! Well, any thing goes for the good of Islam. Such an evil system.
Shone says
Yes it is, but, there are examples of homosexuals among muslims too. So, the matter is not simple as it sems. The muslims are practicing a very deceptive cult and political system. The goal is indeed to help the west loonies to became weak, low in numbers, then when time comes, to overtake the country and declare sharia, but as the muslims consider them self as supreme, the practice of homosexual intercourse wont be banned at all, except marriage as a legal term. How those LBGT SJW’s will react then, it is a questionable, but I think they wont react in any way possible, except to embrace islam and to become a muslims in order to keep their wealth and to be free from prosecution and taxation.
ronyvo says
All what I can say at this point is that Germany becomes a copy of Sodom and Gomorrah. Too bad such once a great country is going down the hill that fast. This exactly what Islam does to civilized nations.
Holo says
These perverts always want more. At first, homosexuals were fighting for recognition that homosexuality was normal, then there was all of a sudden LGBT. I remember 11 years ago seeing in Vancouver beside a church a sign, “LGBT welcome”.. I didn’t know what it meant, so went into the church and asked. A young man with a big smile explained. Why do homosexuals insist on marriage?! Call it Contract or Agreement or Pacs – as in some countries. Homosexual marriage will open the door to more perversions, like bisexual marriage between two men and two women, marriage between a man and a boy, polygamy, etc.
Linda Goudsmit says
Of course all the Muslim MP’s voted in favor of same-sex marriage – it is part of the ongoing worldwide attack on the authority of the Christian Church and part of their longterm strategy of taqiyya (lying in the service of Islam). Western countries have difficulty understanding the dedicated commitment of Muslims to the re-establishment of the Islamic caliphate. Perhaps a business model will help. Walmart is the quintessential bait-and-switch model for entering small communities and selling their products at low prices. At first the people in those communities are thrilled to buy lower priced goods until Walmart drives out every small business competitor and then, of course, raises their prices! It is the “of course” part that Europeans refuse to acknowledge. There is not a community anywhere in the world where Islam has entered, gained political power, and then embraced Western values. To the contrary – when Islam enters a community and gains political power the communities become Islamic and adhere to sharia law. Game over.
nicholas tesdorf says
The Same sex marriage Register will be a valuable resource for the Muslims when Sharia Law is proclaimed in Germany. The hit squads will go straight to them.
Shone says
Not at all, especially not the rich ones will not be the victims of a butchers from islam GEhaime STats POlizai, they will embrace islam, and keep up “the good work” of homosexual intercourses, but as muslims they will be protected as a members of elite. Those not rich enough, or poor ones, will be killed or put in to the modern concentration camps. The Turks, as national majority in islamic part of western Europe will as they did in the past use a ajami oglan, to forcefully recruit Christian boys for military service and for ideological indoctrination. We must not forget that islam did not expand so quickly, in matter of decades after 7th century just because of bloodshed. It was a combination of many things used by those who follow the example of camel merchant and pedophile. Lies, deception, black mails, They will use anything, anything possible for expansion, until whole world is submitted to them. Key is dominance, and when all the world become caliphate, it will collapse, because there will be no more to conquer, no more expansion, and no more taxes for ruling elite. That was among other things a reason why did Ottoman empire collapsed. With no expansion, no new slaves, no new dhimmis and a raising number of muslims protected from taxation, this empire collapsed economically.
Gamaliel says
How is that a step toward Polygamy? What evidence do you have that Muslims think it is a step to polygamy?
Mo says
@ Gamaliel
I will just copy my prior comment:
It’s very straightforward and logical. Answer me this: Once the meaning of marriage is changed from what is has been for most of recorded history, one man/one woman to, in all practicality, “whatever you decide its”, then upon what basis can we deny that same perceived right of marriage to any other combination of persons that also demands it as their “right”?
I’ve asked this question to the same-sex marriage side more time than I could ever count. Never once have I received a direct answer to this very specific question. Never once.
That’s because there isn’t one.
Richard says
The question “Once the meaning of marriage is changed from what is has been for most of recorded history, one man/one woman to, in all practicality, “whatever you decide its”, then upon what basis can we deny that same perceived right of marriage to any other combination of persons that also demands it as their “right”?”
“Never once have I received a direct answer to this very specific question. .. That’s because there isn’t one.”
Well let me provide you with an answer. You have constructed a strawman. The law is not being changed (or proposed to be changed) from one man/one woman to “whatever you decide it is”. It is being changed from one man /one woman to one man/one woman or one man/one man or one woman one woman. The operative word ONE does not change.
PS I agree marriage should continue to be defined as that between one man/one woman, but not for religious reasons, with relationships acknowledged between gay couples.
andra says
Call it the voice of experience.
lebel says
So what do we think when Muslims are AGAINST gay marriage?
gravenimage says
When they are against it they are supporters of conservative Western values, and when they are for it they are the most progressive people ever–on the model of the first feminist, Prophet Muhammed.
As lebel would have it, anyway…
Matthieu Baudin says
I’d say we are almost totally unprepared to head off a concerted campaign for ‘marriage equality’, this time around, for those poor helpless dears who want the State to formally endorse and to financially prop up, highly dysfunctional polygamous family arrangements.
The ‘anything goes’ ethos has been well and truly swallowed by our ‘progressive elite’, so that shows of raw emotion and appeals to abstract notions of equality and emancipation are all that’s needed to unseat centuries old social institutions including marriage.
Just as the well choreographed political campaign for State sanctioned homosexual marriage kept the focus firmly on the desires of the adults and away from the complications concerning the welfare of children (especially regarding custody following divorce); so too we’ll likely see the same two dimensional treatment regarding polygamy, the guy who loves four women and the four ‘would be’ wives who can’t cope emotionally or spiritually without full social recognition of their union.
We have created a burden of unrealisable expectations, we have come to expect the State to be all things for all groups, where every minority group can be represented equally – it is an unworkable and chaotic dream and yet this the core of the ongoing political goal to fashion a brave new Post Modern State.
lebel says
Perfect example of damned if you and damned if you don’t at jihadwatch.
IF no muslims voted for same-sex = proof that even so-called advanced Muslims are still very much anti-gay and thus very muslim
IF ALL muslims vote for same sex = proof that even so-called advanced Muslims are further their islamic agenda.
You cant win, its impossible. And then there’s the taqqiya libel which is to be used when all fails.
gravenimage says
Poor Muslims–they are damned if they slaughter Infidels and damned if they pretend that Islam doesn’t call for the slaughter of Infidels!
Oh, the humanity…
Jack Holan says
Robert, i was wondering for a few years how the Muslims would vercome aan intractablle barrier to multiple wives.and you are correct. They have a bargaining chip under the “right Administration” but this said We are different from Germany. Germany is much more Secular and Liberal than the US. They also place great value on what their European neighbors will think about them so they over compensate.
mortimer says
I cannot see any advantage for Muslims to support same-sex marriage. There motive for supporting this bill is opaque.
mortimer says
I cannot see any advantage for Muslims to support same-sex marriage. Their motive for supporting this bill is opaque.
davej says
Marriage should be open to “all” – including 9 year old girls and multiple wives. They will deal with the gays later.
“The Testosterone Hypothesis”: A feminized culture promoting gay marriage, low birth rates and welcoming a tidal wave of Muslim immigration will be drowned by the culture of high testosterone and polygamy.
gravenimage says
I don’t find anything “manly” about forced and child marriage.
Valkyrie Zege says
; Homosexual marriage isn’t the same as polygamy, and comprehending that difference requires common sense. Mormons, not exactly leaders in common sense, tried the same political tactic in America, and it didn’t work. In Britain Muhammadans tried to get their plural wives legalized to enable getting all their wives qualified as welfare recipients, and you know that would have been the next step for the Mormons in America. Clever lads, those.
harbidoll says
comprehending the similarity is common sense. Western civilization is upon 3 pillars. Destroy 1 & the whole thing falls. G-d, Country & Family. 3 leg! Easy to push over just by tinkering! If U think the environment is fragile! — we can survive ice ages, global floods, droughts, famines, but NOT 1 leg broken!! Which city/state did G-d Himself nuke? ss attraction wasnt the only cause. Death is the final result.
UNCLE VLADDI says
Just look at all those delinquent leftopaths, so determined to put hurt feelings before facts!
K. says
Muslim rationale is utilitarian and often thinks one step ahead of the pack. Gay marriage isn’t for Muslims themselves, they know that and will never accept it among their own. Their own law supercedes all others anyway. As for the kuffar, it can only be good if they tie themselves up in relationships that can’t produce offspring. They are disgusting and immoral to begin with, so what’s the big deal.
Wakeup says
Polygamy is fine so long as Christians are also free to practice it. Polygamy was widely practiced in the bible in fact monogamy in that time was probably the exeption.
To say that we are against polygamy is to say that there are women in our society who will never marry and never have children a cruel outcome. For those for whom it works and who participate as free consenting adults I don’t have any problem with it. If you don’t believe in polygamy then don’t participate in a polygamous marriage.
harbidoll says
1) throughout history, a woman & her kids could & many times DID starve to death!!! if her man died.!!!!!! 2). Pleeeease- Polygamy is & always was about girls!! Not old maids who can easily get/go to a sperm donater. Im sure U care Sooo much about ugly girls who cant get a man. 3) polygamy creates a SHORTAGE of girls which is good for an army & dirty old/young men. Some create a war to rid the society of boys, so that dirty old/young men can have girls. I can tell instantly what category U fall into. Women will NEVER willingly fall victim of slave-wives again! so forget bout it. kapish?
Shone says
It is not the polygamist tendencies that will destroy our ability for defense, but feminism as perverted way of deliberate destruction of society, especially the second and third wave of it. Islam appears superior just because muslim males do not in any way want to dismiss their masculinity, as we on the west had. Female rights do not exists in muslim culture.And muslim mans are willing and ready to defend their masculinity, their “male privilege” at any cost. We, on the other hand are not. In essence, we have been deceived by leftist agenda, by feminist agenda. The western male have give up of their masculinity, not all of us, but majority have. And we are witnessing the betrayal of our own females. They are ready to fight for their “freedom” but only with western Christian males. With muslims, who are for them preferable alpha males, they will not fight for “precious rights” at all. They will willingly submit. This is hidden, and in many cases public treason…
harbidoll says
Dont be afraid, the feminist are a small minority,(they lost the elections) theyr not gunna getcha. Females arnt stupid or helpless. They Dont fall for the “alpha-male thing. Maybe back in history when females couldnt support themselves & had to depend on men for Everything including shooting the bears & wolves. Common sense is more powerful & attractive.Polygamy,harems. porn, feminists & Lady Gaga are detraction. Get them out of your head.Get a family, job, church & fight for them.
Shone says
@harbidoll. Please do not trow this feminazi agenda here, tel this to the your preferred mooslime male alphas that you will not submit. But I bet, you would not do so, not even your ideological sisters. You all will submit to their lingam.
Frank Anderson says
To illustrate the evil power of governmental lists, Nazis grabbed/arrested approximately 70,000 people in Austria within 24 hours after the Anschluss, before computers, fax machines or the internet. How did they select their targets? Food for thought?