“Uddin originally had been charged with first-degree murder,” but this was reduced to involuntary manslaughter, possibly because “Uddin became pregnant by her boyfriend but did not tell her family because she knew her Muslim parents from Pakistan would not approve.” Uddin knew that if she did tell her parents, not only the baby, but she herself could very likely have been killed. And she had nowhere to flee, because Muslim women who are threatened with honor killing have nowhere to go; several years ago, when Pamela Geller and I were offering real help to women who were threatened with honor killing, we were roundly denounced as “Islamophobic.” If our efforts had been received more positively and aided, Mubashra Uddin might be safe today with her baby alive.
But that doesn’t justify what she did. Probation only? Would a stiffer sentence have been “Islamophobic”?
“Woman admits to dropping baby to death in Uptown, gets probation,” Chicago Tribune, July 10, 2017 (thanks to Creeping Sharia):
A woman who dropped her newborn baby to her death from a high-rise apartment after hiding her pregnancy from her parents in 2015 has been sentenced to probation, according to court records.
Mubashra Uddin, 20, on Thursday pleaded guilty to involuntary manslaughter of a family member before Cook County Judge Carol Howard and was sentenced to four years’ probation, according to court records. The infant, Baby Jane Uddin in official documents, was found in the grass outside a high-rise in the 800 block of West Eastwood Avenue about 11:45 p.m. Nov. 11, 2015, and was pronounced dead at a nearby hospital about an hour later.
Uddin originally had been charged with first-degree murder.
Uddin became pregnant by her boyfriend but did not tell her family because she knew her Muslim parents from Pakistan would not approve, prosecutors said at the time she was charged. Uddin gave birth to the 7-pound, 11-ounce girl and threw the infant out the window when she heard her mother approaching the bedroom, according to prosecutors….
Her attorney said at the time she was charged that Uddin’s family was “standing by her.”…
WorkingClassPost says
So a legitimate defence for one parent murdering their own child, is that another parent might murder their own child (the mother of first child)?
And we’re told that we don’t have a problem.
Is this really still the 21st Century, or has backwards time travel actually been invented?
ConnectingDots says
Brilliant analysis!
Yep, by the prosecutor’s logic, a woman may murder her Muslim parents’ grandchild so as not to get in trouble with her parents.
That her parents support her action means that they condone the murder, too.
Anti-jihad says
So everything’s going according to plan for the Muslims. They want to take us all back to the 7th century so that we all have to live like a bunch of savages in their Ummah.
Andy says
Massive Murder Rate Is LEAST Of Chicago’s Issues After What It’s Now Legal For Muslims To Do There
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6PGgYa2T4gQ
ConnectingDots says
Change “Muslima” to “Buddhist woman” or “Hindu woman” or “Christian woman” or “Jewish woman” or “Wiccan woman” or ….
Would the prosecutor have brought the same involuntary-manslaughter charge?
The Cook County District Attorney is a dhimmi.
Shmooviyet says
Spot on.
It may have to be explained to this DA that “dhimmi” is not complimentary.
mortimer says
Agree with CD. Cook County’s District Attorney is giving Muslims the right to murder their offspring.
This innocent child was murdered.
mortimer says
Agree with CD. The Cook County District Attorney has given Muslims parents the right to murder their offspring.
Johnb says
I fail to see the problem.
Her relatives will murder her at the first chance they get.
We don’t have to pay for a prison cell and justice will have been served, albeit by some fundamentally evil people, but, evil describes the criminal justice system also, so that’s a wash.
gravenimage says
You have no problem with Muslims murdering people in our streets?
TL says
One problem is the obvious double standard under law. Suppose that YOU had been in the room with Mubashra and dropped the baby. Do you suppose that you’d have received a slap on the wrist with “probabation”. Of course not. The Chicago Sun-Times, the Trib, and other rags would have howled for your head and been rewarded for their righteous indignation with, at least, a life sentence without parole. You would have disappeared into a prison full of Africans, Hispanics, and sundry white trash. Less than a year later the good thinkers of journalism would have reported your death in prison.
4infidels says
Usually judges (and the rest of our elites) are quick to tell us that Islam is a religion of peace and most Muslims are peaceful except for a handful of terrorists who’ve twisted the Koran’s message of love and tolerance. So then what reason would she have to be afraid of her parents?
This is why we must stop importing Muslims en masse to the US. Her parents aren’t likely involved in actively plotting terrorist (“extremist”) attacks. But they still subscribe to a whole set of religious and cultural norms that are incompatible with our society. Is this really where we want to go as a civilization?
Mickey says
I agree. I agree with Newt Gingrich who said if you want to live by Sharia and the Islamic belief, you should remove yourself from our Country.
We have a big problem with allowing Muslims into our governmental process also. They are sneaking in and trying to infiltrate their dirty Sharia on our Country by means of taking away our Constitution, culture and traditions. These people need to go back to their homelands where they can freely worship, judge, commit evil sins and feel at home. They are only taking our tax dollars and trying to invade our country. Europe is lost.
When there was the travel ban, I think we should have had an entire moratorium on all countries entering America. After all look at Europe. It’s predominantly Muslim and they are free to travel all over there, and eventually end up here.
4infidels says
Yes, put a halt on all immigration and a travel ban on all countries (with allowances for necessary exceptions). Sept 11 was planned in Hamburg, Germany.
Plus then no one can say it discriminates against Muslims.
gravenimage says
But Muslims want to impose Shari’ah *here* in the West.
Fred M Huff says
What other comment than Evil does as Evil is. Not only with the woman but with the courts as well. Far be it from me to mention the religious morays that instigated this mess. Or in this case the muslima who violated them knowing the consequences then murdered the child to escape punishment. In reality neither she nor the judge will escape the ultimate court.
Melissa says
This is yet another clear and evident case of the mentally unstable being allowed to carry on with their lives despite the chaos that goes on in their heads everyday. People justify this type of behavior for the “namesake” of equality, unity, freedom and not being called a phobic. All of which, when properly defined have NOT a thing to do with the barbaric, sadistic conducts of mentally unstable people. There is no way to make these actions good, just, fair, and/or right. Do people defend this because they too, have thoughts of doing such things? Why condone this? What has America become that the fear this young mother had of being killed by her parents is an acceptable reason to lesson the crime that she, herself indeed did to her own child? And why are we even acting like it’s okay that her parents would have killed her? Two wrongs don’t make a right. This is complete insanity. And the courts and our government will try to make us wrap our heads around this and actually agree that this was proper?
gravenimage says
This is not “mental instability”–this is *Islam*.
Shmooviyet says
Hard to believe she is just 20 years old. Living in fear has aged her to nearer twice that.
Is this girl part of that ‘community’ Sarsour wants to defend?
Michelle N says
She committed an “honor killing” on the baby so that one would not be done on her. Plainly she murdered her baby to save her own butt! That might be ok in Pakistan but this is the U.S.! Live here, live by our laws as it’s written in our constitution! If you can’t live by those laws and choose to break them them suffer the consequences of the judicial system which means more then a slap on the wrist for murder!
Carolyne says
Since abortion is legal, perhaps only ten minutes or so changed a perfectly legal act to an illegal act. However it appears that at least in Chicago, one may murder a living child and suffer only a minor consequence. This judge should be recalled for malfeasance and stripped of his license to practice law.
And since her lawyer claimed that she was supported by her family, how did the judge know that her life was in danger as she claimed in defense of murdering her child? Could their attitudes change overnight? I doubt it. I think she murdered her child and should have received severe punishment.
Carolyne says
Since abortion is legal, perhaps only ten minutes or so changed a perfectly legal act to an illegal act. However it appears that at least in Chicago, one may murder a living child and suffer only a minor consequence. This judge should be recalled for malfeasance and stripped of his license to practice law.
And since her lawyer claimed that she was supported by her family, how did the judge know that her life was in danger as she claimed in defense of murdering her child? Could their attitudes change overnight? I doubt it. I think she murdered her child and should have received severe punishment.
Richie says
This is what it is to be a privileged class. we see this in Europe where Muslims can rape and kill ans seldom face arrest.
God will not be so blind though, these Muslims will one day taste the fires of Hell.
Mickey says
So we now have one set of laws for American citizens and one set for Muslims? This is outrageous. This is murder, plain and simple. Of course we are talking about one of the most democratic liberal states in our Republic. This just sets precedent for the next female to do the same thing. It’s like the excuse in Europe when men rape the citizens there. “Their culture is different,” “they don’t know what they are doing is wrong.” BULLSHIT! If you want to live in our civilized countries, obey our laws and constitutions or get the F OUT! So sick of this double standard. It’s like a double standard for the liberal Democrats and the Republicans. What a bunch of madness and disturbing world we live in.
davej says
In the wonderful world of Islam you can throw your baby out the window if it’s inconvenient. In fact this is recommended.
Probation? For cold blooded murder?
Where is the outrage? Where are the anti-abortionists?
somehistory says
I feel outrage. And i feel the same about abortion. Killing…murdering children…is not the way mankind was meant to behave.
davej says
The gruesome nature of Islam is sickening.
Off topic, but read the National Geographic story from 2013 about the slaughter of songbirds by the millions conducted by Arabs in South Mediterranean shores. It is revolting, these people have no moral compass.
gravenimage says
They really do love death.
Guest says
‘Cold blooded’? Try giving birth with no assistance, in terrible fear. She was driven mad by the circumstances.
Laura says
Oh go f yourself. I’ve had 3 kids…she is 20 years old. Assuming (!) she’s not an idiot, she could have gone to that paragon of virtue that all libs worship, planned unparenthood, and taken care of it without her parents even knowing. But she didn’t. She had a full term baby and MURDERED IT. She also could have gone to a hospital to give birth, given it up for adoption. But she didn’t. She MURDERED IT. Go to heck.
gravenimage says
+1
Carolyne says
+2
Mo says
@ Guest
“‘Cold blooded’? Try giving birth with no assistance, in terrible fear. She was driven mad by the circumstances.”
Why are you repeatedly defending this monster?
gravenimage says
Guest, you are–once again–implying that she was unable to get medical assistance. This is simply untrue.
Moreover, there are women who give birth without medical care–ones who go into labor suddenly and are unable to make it to the hospital. Yes–this is painful and frightening.
But your implication that all women who give birth under such conditions murder their babies is simply calumny.
Guy Macher says
She’d rather kill a baby than face the wrath of mom and dad. A typical Muslim family.
Guest says
Chicago is dead to me
mortimer says
It was first-degree murder.
Robert says
The poor new born baby, who was thrown to her death by her own mother, received no justice from the courts of the land. Her mother may have gotten away with cold blooded murder in this life, but not the next.
There is One who sees all, knows all, and judges with perfect equity. He rewards the righteous, and punishes the wicked.
And he’s not fooled by the ridiculous moral obfuscations of the human heart.
somehistory says
All true. And we can be so very thankful that we have a God such as He.
Robert says
Amen to that.
Avantibev says
And He can see into “clinics” too which are mislabeled “Women’s Health Clinics” where thousands of nonMuslim babies are cut up and sucked out of their moms’ wombs each and every day. None of these killings are justified and the Sexual Revolution and Muslim hijras are the gifts that keep on giving, ain’t they?
somehistory says
She is a terrorist…it was terror for the child to be dropped out of the window to a terri.. ble death…by her own *mother.*
“Involuntary manslaughter”…that’s supposed to be the charge when the act was not meant to harm…when there was not “intent” to do harm. This beast knew the baby would not survive…she knew the baby would be “harmed” and probably killed.
The charge should have remained first degree murder. If she had been that afraid of her parents, she would still be afraid and would be better off locked away so they couldn’t get to her.
But the authorities in chicago don’t care about the children..any of the children. Truly disgusting that this murderer gets away with it. What’s to keep her from doing it again?
gravenimage says
Chicago: Muslima throws baby out window to her death, gets probation
………………….
This poor baby. God, I hate Islam.
Sam says
So let me get this. Because of her being Muslim and in that culture extra marital affair is not permitted for a woman, she can kill her baby and would not be punished in the United States.
Can any JW reader explain to me how we can be considered better than Canada or Europe when it comes to Islam.
We are losing it against Islam even with Trump at the helm.
vlparker says
I can’t. And not one person in Washington has the stones to tell the truth about islam. Not one. They all know the truth but they won’t say it. 435 Representatives, 100 Senators and an executive branch full of politicians who would rather put their granddaughters lives in jeopardy than risk their political careers by telling the truth about islam. It’s sickening.
Terry Gain says
Islamic values are antithetical to western values. This muderer should be deported and the disgraceful Judge fired or impeached.
moeped says
Here here! The judge should go to jail, some have said.
moeped says
Evil people would have raised the baby in an evil environment; the baby is better off, some might say.
Either way, this is pure and evil murder that is worthy of the death penalty, not probation.
We really have lost our way, haven’t we?
common sense says
Feeling sick for that baby. Shariah has just been carried out, enforced and justified in the most extreme way possible.
This is 1st degree murder for non Muslims but acceptable somehow for Muslims. Completely wrong. Our domestic laws are THEIR laws now as well, at least they should be. Religious belief by law offers zero protection to a murderer, good grief!
mortimer says
Next, the Cook County District Attorney will accept the argument that Muslims may murder because they are too inbred.
Guest says
So many comments here are casting the first stone.
Have some empathy: nine months of absolute fear, giving birth alone, no medical assistance, hormones raging and driven mad by fear, pain and hormonal extremes.
Yes, there needed to be a prison sentence, partly to give her protection from family and islam, and later the chance to rehabilitate.
But the lack of empathy here is terrible. Just think of the extreme pain and terror she was under. Her act was not ‘cold blooded murder’. Unless you have given birth or attended a birth, you really can’t know just how extreme her feelings can have been.
Laura says
Stop. She could have gone to a hospital when she first felt the birth pangs. I’ve had 3 children, she was 20 years old. Old enough to KNOW better. She chose to MURDER her child. No, there is no empathy at all for islam and the excuses made for it. She should have thought about the consequences of her actions long before birth was imminent. You are another idiot, just like this muslima. So fed up with excuses from these people. Just stop. stop.
moeped says
Empathy for someone who murders an innocent child? A baby no less? For her lack of planning?
YOU have some empathy! Empathy for the innocent BABY for Christ’s sake!
Do you understand how you have been influenced in order to make a statement like that? Give the baby away for fuck’s sake.
somehistory says
How about some sympathy, if you can’t cough up the empathy, for the little baby?
Have you ever seen a tiny baby react to being picked up suddenly, or put down too suddenly? When that happens, the poor baby will throw out his/her little arms and open the mouth…in fear.And that poor baby was dropped out of a window…to her death.
The moslum had nine months to think, to plan, to get assistance. How did she hide her condition from her parents? It’s fairly hard to do. I know, as a friend of mine, when we were teens, got pregnant and tried to hide if from her parents, and school and everyone else. Some people expressed some wondering why she was trying to hide it as it was beginning, about the seventh month, to be quite obvious.
You say we are casting the *first stone.* Hardly! It’s not like she just committed fornication and was found out for that. She committed murder of a baby that she knew about for at least eight months…giving her a little wondering time.
Since she didn’t do anything to get assistance before the baby was born, why didn’t she take the newborn down to the nearest hospital, doctor’s office, fire station, police station…and *drop* her off so she could live? Instead of dropping her out of a window where she knew full well the baby would die!
She should have to suffer some real pain for what she did. She won’t learn any lessons from getting away with murder, except that she might even get by with it a second time.
The baby is the one who needed empathy and sympathy and she got nothing. Imagine the fear she felt as she plunged to her death.
Mo says
@ somehistory
“How about some sympathy, if you can’t cough up the empathy, for the little baby?”
Thank you! I cannot believe this “Guest” person is defending this woman!
somehistory says
Thank you, Mo.
Guest says
Believe it. I would certainly defend any woman in her circumstances against the person earlier who wanted her ‘torn apart by wild dogs’.
somehistory says
You just don’t seem to want to defend the poor children of women who do as this one did…murder a tiny baby who had done no wrong and posed no danger to the murderer.
Strong feelings for the child might lead many to vent with language you don’t like. But no one here poses any threat to this moslum either.
Guest says
I have several times agreed that there should have been a prison sentence.
I still think this woman was driven to a lunatic act by the circumstances, and if you read the article you will see that she acted in a moment of despair and terror, as her family approached. Taking the baby away unnoticed wasn’t a choice.
We will have to agree to disagree. I often post here to show that even people with a more liberal worldview are noticing the dangers of islam, not just conservatives.
somehistory says
The baby didn’t just suddenly appear in the room…The woman didn’t just suddenly get pregnant, go into labor and give birth, while her parents were out. Likely over those months of the baby growing, she and her parents had discussions about how she was going to *get rid* of it.
She may have said she was in fear, she may have said she didn’t know what to do. I don’t believe any thing a moslum says….they lie for the fun of it and to fool others, to further islum. But even if she feared for her safety, she should have thought of the baby first and not herself. The baby didn’t go against her parents and get pregnant…she did. It was her own choice to do what she knew could lead to having a baby. She sacrificed her baby to save her own skin.
She could have done as non moslums do….given the baby away…and not murdered her in cold blood…yes, cold blood as she had no care, no concern, no love, no fellow-feeling for another person as she dropped the baby.
Simple prison is too good for her. She will get her full reward from the True God.
gravenimage says
I feel such empathy for violent Jihadists, too. Just think of all that pain and fear as they get ready to slaughter the filthy Infidels. My heart bleeds…
Carolyne says
Excuse me, “Guest.”. But you seem to imply that you, yourself, have given birth under similar circumstances. Unless you have, you have no justification for assuming what this woman felt. So, I can only ask you, “have you given birth” or been present, etc. I think not. I wonder at your imagination. But if you have given birth under such circumstances, did you toss your precious little girl out the window?
abad says
I really am not trying to mince words here but…
20 years old is WAY too young to be making babies.
Doesn’t matter what the girl’s skin color is, religion, or nationality.
ibrahim salvador says
She and the baby will not be killed. Under Islamic law, she will be whipped. But the baby won’t be killed. Abortion is prohibited in Islam even if the baby is conceived during rape. The Muslim society will care for her baby regardless if the baby is conceived from rape or illicit sexual relation.
moeped says
Oh yes, especially if the father is an infidel. They will love the baby, of course they will. Furthermore, parents and family members never kill their daughters for honor violations right? Oh how honorable they are, right?
They also take good care of their refugees right? It’s a big love fest in your religion, right?
somehistory says
Sure, That’s why women have been cut open when pregnant, killing both mother and baby…when moslums decide they wish to do so.
So much is forbidden…but anything is allowed when the perps want to further the goals of their lust…force bowing to the beast, pay money not to bow…or be murdered.
In islum, there is absolutely no respect for life. The lives of the unborn are no more sacred to moslums than are old people, young girls, little boys,…wives, sisters, …anyone they wish to murder for whatever excuse.
Carolyne says
And don’t forget that raping a baby is acceptable to a Muslim and “Thighing” is normal behavior to these barbarians.
gravenimage says
ibrahim salvador wrote:
She and the baby will not be killed.
……………………….
Is that so?
“Pregnant Pakistani woman stoned to death by her family”
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2014/05/27/pregnant-pakistani-woman-stoned-to-death/9628161/
There are many more stories like this one. If you actually believe Islam has a problem with this savagery–which is highly questionable–why don’t you take it up with your pious coreligionists, instead of bothering the good Infidels here are Jihad Watch?
“Honor Killings” are rife in Islam–we know too much here for you to pretend that they are not. Moreover, the Reliance of the Traveller–that orthodox compendium of Sunni law–affirms that there is no penalty in Islam for a parent or grandparent to murder a child.
Why would you believe we don’t know this?
More:
Under Islamic law, she will be whipped. But the baby won’t be killed. Abortion is prohibited in Islam even if the baby is conceived during rape.
……………………….
Another lie. Abortion is considered perfectly Islamic:
https://islamqa.info/en/12475
This is Islam Q&A, the most widely read Muslim site in English.
More:
The Muslim society will care for her baby regardless if the baby is conceived from rape or illicit sexual relation.
……………………….
Just like the “Muslim society” in Pakistan did, right?
Of course, this Muslimah could have just abandoned her child at the hospital, and the baby would have been cared for and adopted out.
moeped says
You are likely a convert who has been sold a lie. You are also likely a target for radicalization. Be careful and don’t be fooled by the peddlers of hate and religious supremacy. Use your brain, don’t let anyone pollute it.
Ade says
not born wearing hijab ?
Mahendra Singh says
This could be the result of FGM. It is desired of every Muslim woman.