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Christians of Bethlehem and Jerusalem join Muslims in protest against Israeli security measures

Jul 23, 2017 1:58 pm By Robert Spencer

These Christians have apparently never heard or understood the expression, “First the Saturday people, then the Sunday people.” Or perhaps they are hoping that Muslims have forgotten it, or will be compelled to set it aside by their gestures of solidarity. Dhimmi Christians have long sided with Muslims against Jews, in the vain hope that they would thereby win some favor with their masters. But Islamic law mandates the subjugation of both Jews and Christians. No expressions of solidarity will ever mitigate that.

This is Palestine
A group of Christians of Jerusalem from the Christian Quarter came to sit with the Muslims in al-Asbat gate pic.twitter.com/lo9DCvZgAl

— Muntaser Alrefai (@muntaser_buz) July 23, 2017

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  1. Lucia Bartoli says

    Jul 23, 2017 at 2:06 pm

    Sorry but I believe this is a subversive plot.
    It may even be Soros-funded.
    Fire at will!

    • t. says

      Jul 23, 2017 at 4:43 pm

      Why the hell on earth, these Christians are protesting against Israeli security measures beside Muslims? It doesn’t concern them in any way, shape or form!

      Are they stupid or is it that they forgot what is happening to their brothers and sisters, all over the Middle East, Pakistan, Indonesia, Iran, Kenya and Nigeria?

      Really, the world is going beyond crazy!

      • mgoldberg says

        Jul 23, 2017 at 7:55 pm

        They have little choice. The muslims let them know that either they support them, or they will get the same thing…. and this is how it’s gone for 1400 yrs. Suport them, or else.
        Those druze police and populace for the most part support the Israeli’s because they know that this is the deal, and haven’t surrendered. Those tow cops were stabbed in the back- that is the muslim preferred tactic, stabbing opponents, anyone, really, in the back. Like the 20 yr old who gave it to a 70 yr old man, his 68 yo wife and their kids and babies who hid in a closet when the hideous muslim slaughtering began. You see, no muslim ever fears a jew coming into his house and stabbing him, or his women or kids, or driving a car into them, or screaming G-d is greater, as if it was an evil contest of who conquers who. That’s the muslim was and the christians know it. Bethlehem was 85% christian n 1994, now it’s 15% since being handed over to the muslims.

        • gravenimage says

          Jul 23, 2017 at 8:23 pm

          Exactly, mgoldberg.

        • Flavius Claudius Iulianus says

          Jul 23, 2017 at 11:06 pm

          +1

          1400 years of training is difficult to undo.

        • AnneM says

          Jul 24, 2017 at 4:30 pm

          Remember the Muslim worships the DEVIL. Proof is by their actions.

      • shosh7154 says

        Jul 23, 2017 at 9:05 pm

        these are catholics…fingers on the same hand with islam…

      • Pong says

        Jul 23, 2017 at 10:53 pm

        The same reason as the moslems send their children to be blown up – hate of the jews. Christian of the ME don’t deserve support, they are totally brainwashed. Yes I aggree, it is mind boggling how people can stoop so low, especially being so close to Israel and able to compare freedom for christians in Israel to the dimmitude in the PLO controlled areas. To do that christians have to abandon all human faculties and willingly become what the moslems want them to be – subhumen and that is exactly what they are.

        • luke says

          Sep 11, 2017 at 7:09 am

          Heck, in my country “Christian solidarity with the Palestinians” had long propagandized by more political islamists and it’s fellow travelers (incl. several mainstream protestants and catholic clergies). Even while the govt supported 2 state solution, fortunately being “zionist” (in the broadest sense of the term of being respectful of Israel’s right to exists) here were not penalized.

      • Graham says

        Jul 24, 2017 at 5:40 am

        T, Pong – I agree! The World Coucil of Churches have also bowed the knee to the BDS movement. It is shameful!

      • heidi says

        Jul 24, 2017 at 2:51 pm

        people need to understand islamic terms:

        • Veronika N says

          Jul 24, 2017 at 4:38 pm

          Thank you———–very informative.

        • shosh7154 says

          Jul 24, 2017 at 6:07 pm

          Because these are catholics. Catholicism is not from G-d. Pope Francis Tells Catholics In Rome That A ‘Personal Relationship’ With Jesus Is ‘Dangerous And Harmful’

          http://www.nowtheendbegins.com/antichrist-pope-francis-tells-1-4-billion-catholics-personal-relationship-jesus-dangerous-harmful/

  2. overman says

    Jul 23, 2017 at 2:19 pm

    So, So, why hasn’t lsrael introduced these ‘security measures’ years ago? l suppose they’ve always feared what is now happening – muslim over-reaction.

    • gravenimage says

      Jul 23, 2017 at 8:45 pm

      The Israelis have gradually been introducing more security measures–the most marked change was when they put up fences and instituted checkpoints–this was, if memory serves, about 15 years ago. They also have to keep changing to keep up with Jihad tactics.

  3. St. Manuel II Palaiologos says

    Jul 23, 2017 at 2:35 pm

    Doesn’t jive with my Zionist narrative=call them stupid.

    You can’t believe Islamic jihad and Israeli Zionism are both evil forces in the world.

  4. Michael says

    Jul 23, 2017 at 2:44 pm

    These Christians, by signing up to the dhimma, have made a pact with Satan.

  5. mortimer says

    Jul 23, 2017 at 2:47 pm

    I suspect communist infiltration. The most persecuted minority in the Middle East has had 1400 years to learn the jihad doctrine and sadly even Arab-speaking Christians have not acquired a thorough understanding of Islamic dualism and duplicity. The so-called Christians (whoever they are… we are not told) presumably are not representatives of a church body, so who cares what they think? They’re just a bunch of pinkos, imho.

    • gravenimage says

      Jul 23, 2017 at 8:56 pm

      Mortimer., Christians and other Infidels have been threatened with violence in Muslim lands for far longer than Communism has been around.

      • carpediadem says

        Jul 24, 2017 at 11:36 am

        And they choose not to fight back because…?

    • dumbledoresarmy says

      Jul 24, 2017 at 8:23 am

      Mortimer. *Have* you ever read Bat Yeor’s “The Dhimmi: Jews and Christians Under Islam”? Or her book “Islam and Dhimmitude”? Or “The Decline of Eastern Christianity Under Islam”? and with them, Mark Durie’s “The Third Choice: Islam, Dhimmitude and Freedom”. Because if you haven’t you must. Start with the Durie book. Read it side by side with Bat Yeor’s work.

      The dynamic of the dhimma is *mind-warping*. It is about being ‘conditioned’, ‘groomed’ so to speak – as a severely abused spouse or child is conditioned, by an expert and sadistic abuser from which they cannot escape. Or as a girl is ‘groomed’ by a pimp who intends for her to work in his S & M brothel. People who are dhimmis, and descend from generations of dhimmis, need *serious* spiritual and psychological repair work… almost amounting to an exorcism.

      It is terribly hard to achieve. Some do free themselves – Fr Gabriel Naddaf, in Israel, is one example; he has shaken off the dhimmi rule that one must not defend oneself against Muslim assault, and is urging his fellow Christians, within Israel, to join the IDF and help defend Israel against her Muslim enemies. The Muslims *hate* him and threaten him constantly. Some of his fellow Christians reject him… because they are so deeply imprisoned by the spiritual bondage, the spiritual ‘stronghold’ that is the Dhimma.

  6. Strong Aingek says

    Jul 23, 2017 at 2:51 pm

    Given the non existent political support for Christians and notwithstanding the appalling negligence of the Churches, Protestant and Catholic, the tie in with moslems by those in obvious threat is unsurprising. If global media is to believed islam is dominating the world and no Constitution can contain it. Notably, staunch Christian societies are politically rendered secular, and islamism os given statutory protections, way in excess as those Granted in the Magna Carta, where moslems were described using the Foreign Merchants term of art.

    • gravenimage says

      Jul 23, 2017 at 8:58 pm

      Where is there a passage about Muslims in the Magna Carta?

    • carpediadem says

      Jul 24, 2017 at 11:39 am

      Disagree in this respect – there are churches worldwide who are aware of the Muslims massacring Christians, there are NGOs busily asking for money from all and sundry for all sorts of crises, but the one thing they gather in solidarity for is demonising Israel and marching for Islam.

      They care nothing for Christians or helping protect them from Muslims. Instead they proselytise them to gang up on the Jews.

      The more i see this stuff, the more I’m inclined to think”Let them burn”.

  7. somehistory says

    Jul 23, 2017 at 2:54 pm

    Claiming to be Christian, doesn’t make one a Christian. Joining with the moslums…who would kill them in an instant just as the moslum kill Christians elsewhere…paints them as not truly Christian.

    The Bible clearly says that those who mix Truth with satanic, demonic lies are not pleasing to God.
    One is fatally foolish to mix poison in with their water and food and then freely partake.
    The Bible uses Water and Food to represent spiritual things.
    These people of Jerusalem and Bethlehem are partaking of poison.

    • gravenimage says

      Jul 23, 2017 at 11:02 pm

      Somehistory, Christians in Dar-al-Islam have been threatened with out and out genocide for hundreds of years, and only a tiny remnant survives today.

      I am *no* fan of this dhimmitude, but this is understandable.

      It is when Infidels are *not* threatened directly by Islam and let still appease it that it is truly disgusting.

      • somehistory says

        Jul 24, 2017 at 12:19 am

        It is how God looks at their actions that matters. He is the Judge of all and has great Mercy. But anyone claiming to follow Christ must realize that they will be tested…Jesus Himself said so more than once.
        It is something all Christians must face.

        Many are the ones who have died rather than join with moslums…and many of those in recent days, as reports have shown.

        Each one will “render an account.’ Of those who have been given much, much will be required. Those ones in positions of *leadership* in the churches hold a heavy responsibility.

        As Jesus told us, we should do: Pray that we are “standing” when He arrives. If one dies faithful, that one will be resurrected. Those who live where the ‘throne of satan’ is are in great danger, but they must not give in to the fear if they wish to be rewarded.

  8. shosh7154 says

    Jul 23, 2017 at 2:55 pm

    Any “christian” calling himself palestinian is suffering an identity crisis…the land is Jewish not arab, the G-d is a Jew, not an arab and the G-d is a Zionist.

    So the only people calling themselves christians while claiming palestine are catholic. No big surprise here…catholicism and islam are fingers on the same hand.

    • St. Manuel II Palaiologos says

      Jul 23, 2017 at 5:04 pm

      It’s Palestinian.

      • shosh7154 says

        Jul 23, 2017 at 9:03 pm

        Non sequitur palestinian….it is not even a memory of a connection to Israel from Nile to Prat, as the Israeli flag has two rivers with Israel in the center, no place for “palestinian”

    • gravenimage says

      Jul 23, 2017 at 11:04 pm

      This is silly. Of course there are Christians who are ethnically Arab. That does not mean they are all toadying to Islam.

      • shosh7154 says

        Jul 23, 2017 at 11:53 pm

        G-d is a Jew and G-d is a Zionist:

        To Jesus the Jew Thomas made this confession: ” Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God.” John 20:28

        Jesus the Jew said this: Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am. John 8:58

        Jesus the Jew made this claim about Himself: “I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.” Revelation 1:8

        The L-rd founded ZION: (Phl 2:11 And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.)

        Isaiah 14:32 What shall one then answer the messengers of the nation? That the LORD hath founded Zion, and the poor of his people shall trust in it.

        Psalms 2:6 Yet have I set my king upon my holy hill of Zion.

        Psalms 9:11 Sing praises to the LORD, which dwelleth in Zion: declare among the people his doings.

  9. Eur says

    Jul 23, 2017 at 2:59 pm

    Stockholm syndrome level 100000000 …Many Palestinians are in favor of instituting an Islamic regime where non-Muslims have to pay jizya. Islamic societies do not speak of citizens … speak of Muslims and non-Muslims.

  10. Spurgeon says

    Jul 23, 2017 at 3:00 pm

    This is not surprising at all to me.

    Bethlehem – birthplace of Jesus and where David was crowned King of Israel.

    I have read information for some years about “Christ at the Checkpoint”. They have a love of Jesus but have leanings that are obviously anti-Israel (many Christian churches from the US support and sign on to the views of this organization).

    There are a lot of Palestinian Christians. Do they have sympathies to the Palestinian-Muslim community? Perhaps.

    I0 years ago I stayed at the Bethlehem Bible College. Already then there was a real sympathy to the “Palestinian” (Muslim) people. Bethlehem used to be 96% Christian. Today I believe it hoovers around 11%. The call to Muslim worship permeates all of Bethlehem5 times a day, starting at 5 AM.

    The “Palestinians” are very much supported by the UNRWA organization in the West Bank (where Bethlehem is). Check it out. The UNRWA gets millions of $$ and yet the people there live in poverty.

    Did you know that Trumps’ recently appointed US Ambassador to the UN Nikki Haley visited one of the REFUGEE camps in Bethlehem (see article in the Jerusalem Post on 6/11/17). At that meeting Prime Minister Netanyahu suggested shutting down the UNRWA as they perpetuate rather than help in the area. UNRWA has obvious ties to Hamas.

    Israel – keep the walls up!! They keep out the Muslim terrorists.
    Note — Muslims conquered Bethlehem in 637 until 1099

    • Eur says

      Jul 23, 2017 at 3:57 pm

      The call to prayer will be heard all over the West soon. It is unbearable.

      • AnneM says

        Jul 24, 2017 at 4:57 pm

        In America any such efforts will be met with guns blazing. Americans are armed to the teeth.

  11. john spielman says

    Jul 23, 2017 at 3:01 pm

    tear down those evil Satanic objects – the Dome of the rock and al aqsa mosque

  12. Westman says

    Jul 23, 2017 at 3:06 pm

    Peace at any price. To be eaten last by the crocodiles is so noble.

  13. Guy Forester says

    Jul 23, 2017 at 6:15 pm

    This is just the ramp up to more violence. Expect more “Christians” to be paraded out in support of the PA terrorists. Expect to see secular leftist Jews bash the Israelis in “solidarity.” Expect to see European and US based “progressive” and “liberal” churches, universities, “celebrities”, and politicians rally to show “solidarity” with the “oppressed Palestinians” and to stand against “apartheid” Israel. In other words, the usual leftist horse apples piled higher and deeper. Meanwhile many of these same groups and our tax money as well gets funneled to the PA to support terrorism.

    Dear Mr. Trump and Mr. Tillerson: STOP all financial support to the PA and any NGO that supports the PA, stop any financial support to ANY agency of the UN that supports the PA, Hamas, or any of these terrorists.

  14. Steve Klein says

    Jul 23, 2017 at 6:21 pm

    @AmyMek 1h1 hour ago

    They are coming for YOUR Family Next!

    Muslim Mom of the Palestinian who butchered an Israeli Dad, Son & Daughter says she’s proud of him!

    https://twitter.com/AmyMek/status/889226509180915715

    • AnneM says

      Jul 24, 2017 at 5:24 pm

      Time to fight back Americans.

  15. Gray says

    Jul 23, 2017 at 6:38 pm

    This is to be expected from the blinkered mainstream Churches. Check out the Sabeel Liberation Theology Centre in Jerusalem, with has representatives in most Anglican Churches throughout the West. Their rhetoric is viciously anti-Semitic, and they carry on as though the majority of so-called ‘Palestinians’ are Christian. I gather that that the true percentage of ‘Palestinian’ Christians is 2% – 3%. Guess what religion the rest are? But what can you expect from those ideologically blinkered Christian Churches in the West, who allow Muslims to come and pray in their Churches, and are heavily into ‘inter-Faith dialogue’ with Islam, as another ‘Abrahamic Faith’? The Anglican Church seems to be far and away the worst offender here. In the meantime, Muslims are expunging Christian Churches throughout the Middle East. About the only Middle Eastern country where it is safe to be Christian is Israel – so of course the Christian Churches in the West will be attacking Israel unceasingly.

  16. IQ al Rassooli says

    Jul 23, 2017 at 6:41 pm

    It should be obvious that these ‘Christians’ HATE Jews more than they FEAR Muslims because their action is contrary to LOGIC and rational thinking considering the fact that Israel is PROTECTING Christians while Arabs and Muslims are SLAUGHTERING them

    Soon enough they will find out just as the Copts of Egypt are suffering

    IQ al Rassooli
    Kafir & Proud!

    • gravenimage says

      Jul 23, 2017 at 11:11 pm

      Actually, I think this appeasement is very much about fearing Muslims.

      • shosh7154 says

        Jul 23, 2017 at 11:55 pm

        These “christians” are catholic….catholicism is not from G-d any more than islam is from G-d…both are doctrines of demons and both follow the same god satan

        • dumbledoresarmy says

          Jul 24, 2017 at 8:37 am

          You *are* aware that Mr Robert Spencer was baptised and brought up as a Greek Melkite Catholic?

          So far as I know, although deeply disturbed and distressed by the sins and follies of his fellow Catholic Christians, he has not renounced his faith nor embraced some other tradition within Christianity.

        • shosh7154 says

          Jul 24, 2017 at 6:41 pm

          The Truth is more important than anyone or anything because Yeshua said I AM THE TRUTH..

          Catholicism teaches the opposite of what Yeshua taught. There is no salvation in any “church” only through the blood sacrifice of the Lamb of G-d as it is written except a man is born again he cannot even see the Kingdom of G-d. Mary is not the reason a man is born again.

          Anyone praying to a dead person calling on that person to save them is believing lies and committing idolatry.

          Catholicism denies Yeshua (Jesus’) exclusive role as Mediator between God and man, making Mary “co-mediatrix”; it denies the exclusivity of His redemptive work, making Mary “co-redemptrix” (Vatican II credits Mary with a perpetual “salvific role; she continues to obtain by her constant intercession the graces we need for eternal salvation”); and it denies the sufficiency of His redemptive work, declaring that the redeemed must, in addition to Christ’s suffering for them upon the cross, suffer for their own sins here and/or in purgatory, etc

          Nowhere does the Savior of the whole world ever say that His mother is to be elevated above anyone else. Here is what Yeshua said about Mary whom He called woman:

          (Mark 3:33 & 35) And he answered them, saying, Who is my mother, or my brethren? For whosoever shall do the will of God, the same is my brother, and my sister, and mother.

          Search the Words of Yeshua and show me where He ever called her “Mother” or elevated her in word or deed above His followers.

          One other reference is given when a woman in the crowd calls the mother of Jesus blessed, but Jesus does not affirm her. Instead He said blessed are those who hear the Word and observe it (Luke 11:27-28)

          Why is she called the Queen of Heaven, a title G-d Himself cursed when Israel worshiped a woman. She did not die a virgin. She was not immaculately conceived and she did not ascend to the Kingdom of G-d. Her physical body was buried and decomposed awaiting the resurrection. Do not worship this woman. Do not pray to this woman. Do not make images of this woman. IT IS WRITTEN: For thou shalt worship no other god: for the LORD, whose name is Jealous, is a jealous God: Exodus 34:14

      • carpediadem says

        Jul 24, 2017 at 2:11 pm

        Agree. Still awful.

      • somehistory says

        Jul 24, 2017 at 9:32 pm

        shosh7154,
        With your reply July 24, at 6:41, I have to agree.

        And re: Mr. Spencer. He puts the articles on his site, He is a lover of Truth.
        Comments about the Catholic Church are allowed by him. We are not attacking him and his faith in Christ. As you say, the Truth is more important than any one or any thing..

        • shosh7154 says

          Jul 24, 2017 at 9:56 pm

          Thank you somehistory for acknowledging the Truth. There will come a time when the Truth will be trampled in the streets and anyone proclaiming the Truth will not be tolerated but permanently silenced. I await the two witnesses who will speak the Truth without being stopped for three and one half years. Their words will pierce the darkness like lightening and I am so eager to hear them because they mean the salvation of Jacob….so many Jews will run to Yeshua during this time….I am waiting for this with so much excitement….

        • somehistory says

          Jul 24, 2017 at 11:16 pm

          We have many things yet to see. When the “sign of the Son of man” appears, we will know that our deliverance from all evil is here..

          There is reason to be excited.

  17. KateM says

    Jul 23, 2017 at 8:11 pm

    While I am not up on the current status of Christians in the area, I have often thought that they were in a Catch-22 situation. They are Arabs, thereby mistrusted by the Jewish Israelis and they are Christian, thereby mistrusted by the Islamic Arabs.

    Also, one of the major supports of Israel is the evangelical branch of Christianity, and they frequently don’t think that Palestinian Christians are true Christians. Why, they are not evangelical, but Orthodox, Catholic or some other old branch of the faith.

    I am sad that this lack of support exists.

    • gravenimage says

      Jul 23, 2017 at 8:21 pm

      KateM wrote:

      While I am not up on the current status of Christians in the area, I have often thought that they were in a Catch-22 situation. They are Arabs, thereby mistrusted by the Jewish Israelis and they are Christian, thereby mistrusted by the Islamic Arabs.
      ………………….

      Good grief. Christians–Arab and otherwise–have full freedom of religion in Israel.

      They are oppressed, kidnapped, forcibly converted, and often murdered outright in the “Palestinian territories”.

      The above is just the result of centuries of dhimmitude and the knowledge that if they didn’t protest Jewish attempts to protect themselves that they themselves will be targeted for further violence by Muslims.

    • carpediadem says

      Jul 24, 2017 at 2:13 pm

      Lack of support? The Israeli govt distributes free Xmas trees to Christian organisations at Xmas!
      They help these people all the time!

  18. demuslim says

    Jul 23, 2017 at 8:25 pm

    those infidels who show support to Muslims are brainless zombies.

  19. Baucent says

    Jul 23, 2017 at 8:54 pm

    The Christians living in the Arab controlled areas are cowered into submission and dhimmis status. They will have been told to protest in “solidarity” with muslims “if you want to remain healthy.” I feel sorry for them, and anger at the weak Christian leadership that won’t stand up to the muslim bullies.

    • gravenimage says

      Jul 23, 2017 at 11:12 pm

      Exactly, Baucent.

    • Stephen Goldspink says

      Jul 24, 2017 at 4:33 am

      Spot on. I have recently been to Jerusalem and Bethlehem, the latter under Muslim control. Out Isreali tour guide had to exit the bus outside Bethlehem as his Government won’t let him enter – fear of kidnap. The only reason the Muslims allow Christians in Bethlehem is for the tourist trade they bring it. In that respect, Muslims sell out their violent and oppresive “religion” for cold hard cash.

  20. Jack Holan says

    Jul 23, 2017 at 8:58 pm

    I know the more intelligent Christians have left for the four corners of the World but I didn’t realize how indoctrinated the ones are that they left behind. I don’t usually bet except on sure things and I will wager that Hamas and the PLO have a detailed plan mapped out how they plan to annihilate those Christians still living in Palestine and Israel since they believe they will win this war against us. It’s less than 2 decades ago we let the PLO return from Tunisia. Beware it’s reversible and Hamas we just need to expose or drain all of your bank accounts that you enriched yourselves on the backs of hard working Gazans plus your Villas on the beach front. I forgot about King Abbas building his palace as big as any of Saddam Husseins. All on the backs of the Palestinians. There’s much Israel can do to bring you down if you want continue this game

    • ploome says

      Jul 23, 2017 at 9:06 pm

      Christians are terrified….Stockholm syndrome

      • gravenimage says

        Jul 23, 2017 at 11:14 pm

        +1

      • dumbledoresarmy says

        Jul 24, 2017 at 8:51 am

        Yes. And I suspect that even within Israel – and also elsewhere – there are not a few Jews similarly frightened, similarly dhimmified. Some Jews, within Israel, are *descendants* of people who lived for many generations – over a thousand years, in some cases – in the Predator Pit that is Dhimmitude – exploited, degraded, humiliated, terrorised, and all the time forbidden to utter a squeak of protest lest they be killed; required to fawn on and flatter their viciously sadistic Muslim overlords and Abusers. That sort of thing leaves deep wounds in the soul.

        Mark Durie’s “The Third Choice” and “Liberty to the Captives” are very thoughtful analyses of the Dhimma and the damage it does… and how that damage can be undone. He is writing from a Christian perspective, of course, but I suspect that a wise rabbi or two, reading ‘Liberty to the Captives’, might be able to ‘translate’ the ‘spiritual deprogramming’ tactics there described, into a Jewish context.

        I would however add that one of the key ‘planks’ of the Dhimma, the ‘Conditions’ of Omar, is that the Dhimmi has NO right of self-defence – no right to bear arms, no right to lift a hand against Muslim attack *under any circumstances* – “we will not strike a Muslim’.

        A key element in divesting oneself of a dhimmi mindset is *precisely* in *breaking* that ‘condition[‘.. in being willing and able both to take up arms and then *use* those arms to defend oneself, to defend the innocent victims of Muslim violence and cruelty. Muslims are *enraged* by Israel’s national acts of self-defence, because those acts are the acts of ‘uppity Jews’, Jews claiming the right to take up arms and use them to *resist* Muslim assault.

        I am convinced that when one is assailed by Jihad, a pure pacifism is *lethal*.. not only suicidal for oneself but deadly for *others*. And it worries me that people like Durie, otherwise so astute in diagnosing what is going on, seem absolutely unable to say, loud and clear – “self defence against Muslim attack ticks every box to be defined as what every classic historic Christian thinker has defined as a Just War”.

  21. ploome says

    Jul 23, 2017 at 9:05 pm

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2011/aug/15/explosives-detectors-mecca-holy-mosque


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    Riazat Butt, religious affairs correspondent
    Monday 15 August 2011 07.06 EDT First published on Monday 15 August 2011 07.06 EDT
    Explosives detectors are to be installed at the entrances to the Holy Mosque in Mecca as the Saudi authorities boost security around the city’s holy sites.

    Around 180 people work on a shift pattern to man the gates leading to the Masjid al-Haram, which surrounds the Ka’aba, the black granite cube that Muslims turn to when praying.

    But there are no other measures in place to screen pilgrims for weapons, explosive devices or other banned items, although there are more than 700 cameras tracking them for possible theft, pickpocketing and other criminal or immoral activity.

    Lieutenant Colonel Fawaz al-Sahafi, who heads the security team at the mosque, told the Saudi Gazette plans to fit “sophisticated metal and explosive detectors” at the multiple gates were under way.

    He also said there were proposals to monitor pilgrims’ movements and have plain-clothes officers mingling with worshippers to stop them from carrying unauthorised foodstuffs into the mosque.

    Another security official, Lieutenant General Saeed Bin Abdullah al-Qahtani, said cameras at pilgrims’ residential buildings, traffic initiatives and crowd management plans would improve safety inside and outside the Grand Mosque.

    There is a ban on private cars carrying pilgrims entering Mecca, and there will be greater intervention from guards to ease congestion and jostling………

    • Paul says

      Jul 24, 2017 at 8:44 am

      Of course, its not about the metal detectors. It’s about the reminder that Israel controls the site. They can’t accept that, because Islam is supposed to dominate. It’s the same idea with the site being the “third holiest site in Islam”. I’d like more evidence about that. As far as I can tell, it is holy to Islam only because it represents their domination over Jews and Christians.

  22. ploome says

    Jul 23, 2017 at 9:11 pm

    more

    http://unitycoalitionforisrael.org/?p=15702233

  23. Flavius Claudius Iulianus says

    Jul 23, 2017 at 11:10 pm

    Pay special attention to the solutions the Israelis implement. Many countries in the West will eventually need to implement them.

  24. Mark A says

    Jul 24, 2017 at 1:51 am

    Dhimmis trying to appease their oppressors.

    It will end badly.

  25. Muhammad's Ghost says

    Jul 24, 2017 at 3:34 am

    Collective case of Stockholm Syndrome. Plain and simple.

  26. Expat88 says

    Jul 24, 2017 at 3:53 am

    I was living in the Middle East for many many years. All the Christians that I knew there seemed to have similar opinions to Muslims when it came to their views about Israel and the Jews. And no I do not believe that Middle Eastern Christians are Arabs. They speak Arabic but they are not ethically mixed with Arab blood. They are mostly indigenous pre Arab people. Lebanese Christians self- describe as Assyrian. They do not identify as Arabs.

  27. Anne Smith says

    Jul 24, 2017 at 5:12 am

    Well I hope the Israelis stick to their metal detectors and add a few more around the place. We in the West are heartily sick of having had to queue for hours to go through one of these things at airports, concerts, sporting events, visits to Parliament, etc. etc. None of this would be necessary but for the Muslims charming habit of blowing up airliners and attacking public venues of entertainment, to say nothing of running people down in the open.

    Let the Muslims have a taste of their own medicine

  28. Don Foss says

    Jul 24, 2017 at 10:29 am

    I think it was Stalin who said it first: “Useful idiots.”

  29. el Cid 2 says

    Jul 24, 2017 at 2:42 pm

    Our common enemy is Islam resurgent.
    Unity of purpose is important to our success.
    Let us not attack each other but unite in our common goal – the survival of Western Civilization and it’s Judeo-Christian underpinnings.

  30. John S. Obeda says

    Jul 24, 2017 at 4:24 pm

    Yes, when we use words to give our opinions, may we use a lot of salt for we are all on the same team. We love our country, but we are upset and frustrated that our leaders are so very clueless and, thereby, they aid the enemy, Islam, who by stealth is planning to reach it’s goal of domination. As the true God encourages and even commands us, let us pray for our leaders in State and Church and also pray for the many that are working and lecturing to spread the truth about Islam and are being persecuted for doing so.. God bless us so that we do not lose our liberty and democracy and free speech with which God has bless us.

  31. David says

    Jul 24, 2017 at 11:54 pm

    Christians — the most useless among the two-legged sheep. I hope the Muslims give them the “love” that they merit.

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