German authorities would have immediately discounted his stopping drinking alcohol and starting to talk about the Qur’an as entirely irrelevant to whether or not he would mount a jihad attack. To have considered it as relevant would have been “Islamophobic.” Yet it actually is a reliable indicator: he became devout in Islam, and the Qur’an and Sunnah contain numerous exhortations to wage jihad against the Infidels.
“Hamburg stabbing suspect known as radical, mentally unstable,” by Geir Moulson, Associated Press, July 29, 2017 (thanks to The Religion of Peace):
BERLIN (AP) — A Palestinian man who allegedly stabbed one person to death and wounded six others in Hamburg was known to authorities as a suspected Islamic radical but is also psychologically unstable, German officials said Saturday.
The suspect, a 26-year-old who had no identity papers other than a birth certificate showing he was born in the United Arab Emirates, was quickly overwhelmed by passers-by and arrested after Friday’s attack at a supermarket in Hamburg’s Barmbek district.
He was not named by authorities in keeping with Germany privacy laws.
The man’s motive remained unclear Saturday but he is believed to have acted alone and there are no indications he had links to any network, Hamburg state interior minister Andy Grote said.
Police said the suspect grabbed a kitchen knife with a 20-centimeter (nearly 8-inch) blade from a supermarket shelf on Friday afternoon and stabbed three men, one of them fatally. He then left the supermarket and hurt another three people outside, not all of them with the knife. Passers-by then pursued and overwhelmed him and he was arrested by police….
The suspect arrived in Germany in March 2015 after stops in Spain, Sweden and Norway. His asylum request was rejected late last year and authorities were trying to secure new Palestinian papers to deport him — a process in which they said he had cooperated.
Officials said he was on their radar as a suspected Islamic radical but not as a “jihadist.”
A friend had tipped authorities off to changes in the man, telling them that he stopped drinking alcohol and started talking about the Quran, said Torsten Voss, head of the Hamburg branch of the domestic intelligence agency.
Officials interviewed him and came away with the impression he was a “destabilized personality” but not an immediate danger, Voss said.
“We evaluated him rather as someone who was psychologically unstable than had clear Islamic extremist motivations,” Voss said at a news conference. Authorities don’t know if he had any connections to Hamburg’s Islamic extremist scene….
Beagle says
Jihadists must find the West’s willful blindness and unwillingness to understand them hilarious, insulting, or maddening.
Jihadist: “I did it for Allah and paradise as the Quran commands, repeatedly!”
Western police, politicians, media, and legal system: “It’s a mystery. All we know is it has nothing to do with Islam.”
As a legal matter, the default position devout Muslims are always “psychologically unstable” when they go forth in Allah’s cause to kill and be killed for Allah is amazingly lucky for them. It’s a far worse situation for the rest of us than the one addressed after the US Supreme Court revisites the insanity defense after John Hinkley was found not guilty by reason of insanity for trying to murder Reagan in a bizarre bid to attract Jodie Foster.
There was only one Hinkley trying to murder “for Jodie Foster”. There are millions of Muslims trying to murder “for Allah”. And they’re not mentally ill in any meaningful physiological sense.
Jair Dominguez says
I disagree. He was a Muslim. That’s what provoked the violent incident.
Not a good Muslim, not a bad Muslim, not a devout Muslim nor an extremist.
There is no need for scriptural understandi g and devotion in order to commit such an act.
Muslim societies and communities are enough to bring this behaviours to the surface. A society that glorifies killers doesn’t need a scripture to kill.
Norger says
@Beagle. You are right about the MSM. If, for example, a “right wing extremist” were to engage in an act like this, there would be no soul searching in the media about a motive. Yet despite the overwhelming scriptural evidence that Islam mandates warfare against unbelievers, when an Islamic terrorist cites theological justification for killing civilians, the media always reacts with bogus confusion as to what caused the killer to act. It’s both predictable and shameless.
mortimer says
Message to Hamburg Police : IT’S THE IDEOLOGY, STUPID!
Nachricht an POLIZEI HAMBURG: ES IST DIE IDEOLOGIE, DUMMKOPFEN!
Guest says
‘Dummkoepfe’ is the plural.
Liza Jones says
So the DSM can now include a new diagnostic category??? Jihad Alcohol Withdrawal Syndrome—JAWS–for short.
Jack Dawkins says
An Islamist helps with the bomb, whereas a jihadist does the actual detonating.
mortimer says
Jack, there are FOUR TYPES of jihad: 1) sword 2) tongue 3) pen 4) money. Most jihad is non-violent.
You’re welcome.
Guest says
But it all contributes to the violence, otherwise we wouldn’t be on this site. Also, don’t forget domestic violence: muslim men don’t have to be bomb makers to beat their wives and rape girls from 9 years old. All permitted, encouraged even.
gravenimage says
True, Guest.
mortimer says
Police everywhere have a RESPONSIBILITY to MASTER THE JIHAD IDEOLOGY in order to keep the public SAFE.
Police departments that do not TEACH the JIHAD IDEOLOGY are failing to do their DUTY of PROTECTING the public.
Such police departments sacrifice PUBLIC SAFETY for the sake of POLITICAL CORRECTNESS.
LEARN THE JIHAD IDEOLOGY.
Demsci says
That’s it! Suggestions; they may rely on all sides, in order to appear unprejudiced, but what is the harm in listening well to our own renowned “Islamic Scholars”, like Robert Spencer. And listening to what ex-Muslims have to say.
And by all means, what is the harm in letting police personnel study the Quran, Sira, Hadiths? And the interpretations thereof by countless Islamic leaders AND followers (see polls among Muslims). Because numbers (of Muslims with violent and anti-democratic values, tenets and laws) matter very much.
What is the harm in letting policemen trying to “get inside the mindset” of the terrorists, the potential killers? Like in that a repentant Muslim gets Islam’s offer to kill infidels for a place in Heaven?
It seems that the Political Corrects want to block all that on grounds of non-discrimination on grounds of someone’s religion. Which, unlike someone’s race, should be considered a choice IMO.
Oh, how I wish we, as in 51 % of our parliaments and politicians, somehow could overcome this eternal objection and obstruction of the Political Corrects, which still resonates among too many of ignorant or disinterested people.
moeped says
Oh yes, he’s mentally ill, just like all of them. Hmmm, what else, let me see…I bet these are the other reasons:
1. islamaphobia
2. Colonialism
3. Zionism
4. Failure of host country to integrate
5. Racism
Oh yeah he also acted alone and was radicalized on the Internet right?
gravenimage says
Germany: Hamburg jihadi “stopped drinking alcohol and started talking about the Quran”
……………………
And his next step was murdering Infidels.
And how many times have we heard *this*–a Mohammedan is turned down for asylum, yet still allowed to wander around loose, who then turns to violent Jihad?
The good thing about this story is that he was stopped by German civilians. Kudos to them!
Demsci says
Perhaps the perpetrator did not plan in advance, because he did not bring a weapon to a scene. But he very probably believed that killing infidels would give him, if killed (or after a lifetime of prison?) a huge eternal reward in the afterlife.
I remember that in # 1603, the former adviser of Queen Elisabeth, told the new King, James the 1st, why it was necessary to not just kill a caught Catholic priest (in preaching clandestinely);
The king asked whether killing or jailing them was not good enough. And the adviser said; “Alas, that would not help, these priests are fanatics, who believe they will go to heaven, so ordinary death sentences do not deter them. They must be killed in a very painful torturous way, like ripping out their hearts and entrails with a hook, in the public view.
That’s what HE said, back then, not US, right now, of course. But the point is that the adviser understood the mindset of the catholic priests back then, as we should understand the mindset of individual Muslims right now.
Baucent says
A bit of a torturous analogy if you ask me. Why would you even remember that?
Demsci says
OK, it looks far fetched, but I have one big reason:
For whatever reasons, the Protestant authorities in England under Elisabeth I, James I and on, well into the the 19th century:
I. Saw Catholics as a threat as they were prone to be more loyal to an outside power, the Pope, and his decrees, than to England, and it’s laws. At least when the 2 contradicted.
II. Therefore the government made laws that effectively discriminated against Catholics. Including exclusion from sensitive occupations and landpossession. And of course prohibition of Catholic propaganda.
And I argue that nowadays Muslims, who are responsible for their choice for being/ staying Muslim when in a democratic nation, are not to be trusted just like that. As they too are very prone to be more loyal to Islamic laws and co-religionists, including known enemy states and organisations, than to A. The democratic nation. B. The democratic values, tenets and laws.
So I argue that it is nowadays necessary to at least mildly, reasonably, be suspicious of Muslims, more than of other citizens. And since this already constitutes discrimination on grounds of religion, so far a big no-no for a majority,
I try to find good arguments and historic precedents for exactly that; discrimination on grounds of religious choice.
Baucent says
“Authorities don’t know if he had any connections to Hamburg’s Islamic extremist scene….”
And they won’t be making any inquires along that line….
Rita says
A Persian woman, who has lived in Germany for 31 years, after fleeing the “Islamic Revolution” in Iran asks Merkel why she is bringing this Islam to Germany. She sees the same terror creeping into Germany that she fled from 31 years ago:
http://littlenotesfromparis.blogspot.com.au/2017/07/mommie-merkel-dearest.html