Suddenly our country is full of all kinds of Interfaith Outreach Events, carefully staged by Muslims for unwary Infidels. There is Ask-A-Muslim!, there is Meet-Your-Muslim-Neighbors, there are Coffee, Cake, and Qur’an meetings. Whatever the name, they amount to essentially the same thing: a deeply sincere offer of friendship to any non-Muslims willing to take them up on the offer, and a just as sincere offer of candor on the subject of Islam, which the Muslims running these events are prepared to discuss from top to bottom, for those non-Muslims who want to understand what all the fuss and, alas, suspicion is all about. Usually these events come with a meal, provided by Muslim hosts for non-Muslim guests, designed to leave a feeling of contentment, physical as well as mental, from the evening, when Muslims open up fully — no holds barred — about Islam, and after their exposition, welcome any and all questions. These events can take place at a mosque, or at an Islamic Center, or sometimes even at the private home of a Muslim who has done well, living the American dream and therefore, it might be presumed from his financial success, fully integrated into American life. Never mind that Osama bin Laden and Ayman Al-Zawahiri were both from the top socioeconomic strata of their respective societies, but did not feel at home in either Egypt or Saudi Arabia, respectively. Nor should we forget that among the first would-be terrorists arrested in this country was “Mike” Hawash, who as an Intel engineer earned $360,000 a year, had married an American with whom he had several children, and appeared to be completely assimilated.
The first movement of the evening is the Meet-and-Greet. You are introduced by the presiding Muslim dignitary (it could be an imam, or a doctor, or a professor) to all those “Muslim neighbors” with whom you will find you have so much in common. They are, especially the women, full of bustling friendliness. The men are sober and deeply sincere of mien, but also very welcoming to their non-Muslim visitors. “And how nice that at long last we can all meet, just as people,” says the head host, “and you don’t have to think of us as that strange, sometimes forbidding group the media often refers to as ‘the Muslims.’”
As the head host will say, as everyone has settled back in their seats, “the more of these evenings I conduct, the more I realize that we are all basically the same. Here’s my day, which I suspect is a lot like yours: I wake up, help my wife get the kids ready for school, have breakfast, leave for work, endure the commute, listen to National Public Radio while driving, grab a lunch at my desk at noon, put in a solid day, endure the same commute home as you do, try to be home in time to have supper with the kids and hear about their school day, then another half-hour of work-related emails have to be answered, and then I help do the dishes, help put the kids to bed, and usually watch a little soothing television, the Turner Movie Channel, or BBC Mysteries. And then to bed. Isn’t that a lot like your lives? The only real difference for me, as a Muslim, is that Friday, not Sunday, is our holy day, but other than that, aside from the hijab our women like to wear as a sign of modesty, there really are very few differences. Like you, we are monotheists, and like you we revere Jesus. That deserves to be more widely known. Of course I don’t want to minimize the big problem we all have: there is no denying that the criminal element — yes, some people who call themselves Muslims have criminal mentalities, just the way some Jews and Christians do — in Islam has wreaked havoc all over the world, killing non-Muslims and Muslims alike. I think the number of Muslim victims of Islamic terrorists is considerably greater than the non-Muslims, not that it matters, because terrorism is terrorism, but it would perhaps bring a little needed perspective to the issue if we recognized how much we Muslims suffer too from these madmen. And along with our own victims, we suffer in another way — the damage to the image of Islam, which means ‘peace’ and has nothing to do with this terrorism, and damage, too, to our image as law-abiding Muslims — that’s what we find so sad, so lamentable. And we wanted to invite you here to undo some of that damage, to allow you to see us just as we are. And to ask questions, on any aspect of Islam, and to hear what Islam means to us. Why shouldn’t Muslims, instead of your being told half-truths by FOX or CNN, tell you what Islam is all about? You would expect us to ask Christians, not Muslims, to find out about Christianity. Why should Islam be any different?”
The second essential component to the evening is the shared meal, prepared by the Muslim hosts for their non-Muslim guests. This ordinarily comes at the end of the evening, after the discussion about Islam, and is usually offered as a buffet. It’s a kind of reward for the guests who have sat through the presentations. To show the full reach of Islamic civilization and cuisine (“Islam is not monolithic”), there will usually be a variety of foods from Arab lands, Iran, Pakistan-India, Turkey, even Indonesia. Curried chicken, lamb kabobs, hummus and baba ghannoush, stuffed grape leaves, pita and naan, even possibly a rudimentary rijstaafl if East Indians are among those in attendance. The smells have wafted from the kitchen to the room where the ask-a-muslim main event is taking place. These are a powerful sensory reminder of the pleasure to come, and that puts the visitors in a good and expectant mood as they offer their earnest questions, and uncritically accept whatever answers they receive.
And as they share that buffet, sitting at tables with at least one Muslim assigned to each table, to continue the Interfaith conversation, not just to explain the dishes to them, but to encourage their guests, in the friendliest possible fashion, to continue over dinner to ask them any questions they may have about their own lives as Muslims, or anything else about Islam that might be on their minds. But it’s seldom about anything worrisome. The food, the friendliness, the warm sense of fellow feeling, will overcome even the most suspicious of souls. And when the Infidels leave that evening, it will inevitably be with a sense that they have learned a great deal about Muslims, who are just people like themselves, and about Islam, too, which apparently is more or less like Christianity — with the same rituals of prayer, and pilgrimage, and fasting, and charitable giving — only with a different day of worship and a few incidental differences, as the hijab, the fruit juices instead of alcohol, the ban on pork.
The evening comes to an end, and the well-fed guests promise their Muslim hosts that they will spread the word about what they have learned. Indeed, they are true to their promise, calling in to talk shows, or writing letters to the editor, or merely putting in their two-bits if the subject of Islam comes up at work, or at a social gathering, whenever they feel that Islam, or Muslims, have been unfairly maligned, always prefacing their self-assured remarks with “I’ve visited mosques, I’ve taken part in question-and-answer sessions about Islam, I’ve broken bread with my Muslim neighbors, and I’ve learned that the real Muslims, not the crazies who simply use Islam as an excuse, are just like us.”
In Chicago, still another variant on these meet-your-muslim-neighbor events has just been announced. It’s called “Learn Islam From Its Source,” and it’s a program by which Muslims, using only the Qur’an, try to explain Islam.
The Muslims behind this program claim that because the Qur’an is the most important source for Islam, only it needs to be consulted. This is disingenuous. The Sunnah, that is the customs and mores of 7th-century Muslims, which is derived from both the Hadith (the records of what Muhammad said and did) and the Sira (the biography of Muhammad), has always been regarded as an essential source of Muslim practice that acts as a kind of gloss on the Qur’an itself. The hadith that are regarded as most reliable are identified as “Sahih” and of the six collections so designated, two of them, by Bukhari and Muslim, are regarded as the most authentic.
The standard view of Muslims is that the Qur’an cannot be properly understood in a vacuum, without the Sunnah, that is, the practice of Muhammad, his words and deeds. One Muslim website offers this:
In our day, too, some people reject the Sunnah of the Prophet (saas). “We read the Quran,” they say, “and interpret it for ourselves without the need for any clarification by the Prophet (saas).” They turn their backs on the Sunnah, the practical application and implementation of the Quran.
The fact is that these people who have abandoned the Sunnah in fact ignore the Quran`s commandments. That is because the Sunnah is an explanation of the Quran and more importantly, the Quran orders Muslims to follow it. Allah (swt) has not only made obeying the Quran obligatory, but also obeying the Prophet (saas).
For this reason, Islam can only be practiced together with the Sunnah and Muslims can only apply the Quran into real life with its help. The Sunnah, on the other hand, is the belief of the Ahl al-Sunnah [“the people of the Sunnah”], which is the totality of our Prophet`s (saas) authentic hadiths and their subsequent interpretations by the great Islamic scholars.
Similar comments can be found all over the most important Muslim sites on the Internet. Apparently a great many Muslims do not agree that you can “Learn Islam From Its Source” (that is, the Qur’an alone). The Sunnah of the Prophet is essential for the practice of Islam.
But in jettisoning the Hadith and Sira, and sticking only to the Qur’an, the Muslims behind this “Learn It From the Source” campaign have achieved something important in their campaign to protect Islam. For it is in the Hadith, not the Qur’an, where we find so many of the most disturbing stories about Muhammad. His marriage to Aisha when she was six, and with whom he had sexual intercourse when she was nine, and he fifty-four, is found in the most authentic Hadith, such as Sahih Bukhari 5:58:234, and not the Qur’an. That is surely a story that non-Muslims might wish to learn about. And it is naturally one which Muslims prefer they never find out about. And they won’t, if they “learn Islam from its source,” meaning the Qur’an alone.
Then there are the many stories about Muhammad having those who criticized or mocked him murdered by his followers, who in some cases needed only a hint from Muhammad without an explicit command. There was the murder of Asma bint Marwan (following Muhammad’s exclamation “Who will rid me of Marwan’s daughter?”), a poetess who mocked Muhammad, and criticized him, too, for killing a 120-year-old poet, Abu ‘Afak, and for her pains was murdered. Abu ‘Afak, too, was murdered by a follower of Muhammad who was fulfilling not a command but an express wish by Muhammad. And murdered too, was the Jewish poet Ka’b ibn Al-Ashraf, this time on the direct command of Muhammad. And there are another dozen accounts of similar assassinations of the perceived critics of Muhammad. But these stories are all to be found either in the hadith collections, especially those of Bukhari and Muslim, deemed the most trustworthy, or in the Sira of Ibn Ishaq, or both. But none of them are to be found in the Qur’an, to which these Chicago Muslims wish to limit the “education” of Infidels.
Those who will be taught only about the Qur’an will, similarly, learn nothing about the mass killing in Medina of the bound prisoners of the Banu Qurayza, a Jewish tribe who had surrendered to Muhammad. Muhammad is described as looking on as some 600-900 men were put to death in one long day of executions, but that information is to be found in the Sira (biography) of Muhammad, and not in the Qur’an.
As for the raid on the Khaybar Oasis, and the seizing by Muhammad of the beautiful Jewish girl Saafiya, whom he took as his sex slave on the very day he had had killed her husband, father, and brother, a story that non-Muslims might profit from learning, that story, too, is not to be found in the Qur’an, and so those who are going to learn about Islam, as they are told, only “from its source,” the Qur’an, will again be left bereft of any real understanding of the nature of Muhammad. And it’s not just his female sex slaves that will be kept from Infidel view if only the Qur’an is relied on, but also Muhammad’s dealing with male slaves, whom he bought, sold, and traded — as we know only from the Hadith and Sira.
That Muslim Group’s “‘Learn Islam From its Source” Campaign, is not, as it claims to be, in order “to Educate about True Islam.” It will do nothing of the sort. You cannot learn about Islam without studying the life of Muhammad. And much of that life, even most of it, can only be found in the Hadith and Sira, which will not be offered as part of the required reading.
The Muslims who claim that non-Muslims should learn from the Qur’an alone and “not from unreliable sources, social media, or fake news” are themselves an “unreliable source.” For only an “unreliable source” would claim that the Hadith, by which we mean those of the most reliable hadith-collectors, and the Sira are “unreliable sources.” The Hadith of Bukhari and Muslim, the biography by ibn Ishaq — from which all the information about Muhammad given above has been taken — are not considered by Muslims to be “unreliable sources,” but deemed nearly equal in reliability to the Qur’an. These Hadith, then, are not just reliable, but indispensable sources if we wish to have a comprehensive view of Muhammad.
The Muslims who thought up this “Learn Islam from its Source” campaign have stated that their desire is to “ease the fear of Islam, suspicion of Muslims and to clear up many misunderstandings of Islam.” They will certainly “ease that fear” by leaving out the Hadith and Sira, which means leaving out much of what makes Muhammad most terrifying. He will be the Muhammad of the Qur’an, the Messenger of God. He will not be the Muhammad who captures women and makes them his sex slaves, or buys and sells and trades male slaves; he will not be the Muhammad who has his followers kill those who have angered him; he will not be the Muhammad who watches with satisfaction as 600-900 bound prisoners of a defeated tribe are decapitated. What better way to “ease that fear” than simply make sure non-Muslims don’t find out about any of this. And what makes the gruesome details of Muhammad’s life still more disturbing is that despite them, Muhammad continues to be regarded by Believers as the Model of Conduct and the Perfect Man, and whatever he did was right. That’s the morality of Islam. Non-Muslims take quite a different view.
The main purpose of “Learn Islam From Its Source” is to keep information about Muhammad himself to a minimum. Hence no Hadith, no Sira.
But another aim is to present a skewed view of the Qur’an. It’s not hard to figure out what Muslims will choose to teach from that “source.” Undoubtedly they will focus first on the Five Pillars of Islam. These are duties that are comfortably familiar to Christians. The Five Pillars are: the shehada (the profession of faith), salat (the five canonical daily prayers), zakat (the giving of charity), sawm (the observance of the Ramadan fasting), and the Hajj. By focusing on these, reading out the Qur’anic verses where these rituals are commanded, the Muslims purporting to teach non-Muslims about Islam will be able to use up time and attention on rituals that are mostly inoffensive, and that appear to be similar to Christian duties (prayer, fasting, pilgrimages, giving of charity are also part of Christianity). What won’t be mentioned is this: that zakat, or charitable giving, is intended only for fellow Muslims or for those who, while not yet fully Muslim, are on the path of conversion and for whom the receipt of zakat might encourage them on this path. Zakat is thus given to further Islam and Muslims; it is quite different from the omnidirectional charity practiced by Christians. Nor will the non-Muslim “students” be told that the five daily prayers (salat) contain, within the Fatihah (the first verse of the Qur’an), a denunciation of Christians and Jews that is repeated, in the saying of those five prayers, seventeen times a day. (This is a point repeatedly made by Robert Spencer.) Neither the limitations on zakat, nor the kuffar-cursing in the five canonical prayers, are things of which any Infidel would normally have an inkling. So no questions about these matters will be asked, and no elucidation need be offered by the Muslims giving their “learn-Islam-from-its-source” lessons. Meanwhile, time is passing, and the more time that is devoted to the Five Pillars, and to a few seemingly innocuous Qur’anic verses (5:32, 2:256), the less time will be left to the last topic, those 109 Jihad verses, full of violence, that will somehow have to be explained away.
There are a handful of Qur’anic verses that apologists for Islam never fail to quote. Pride of place is given to Quran 5:32, which appears to condemn killing (in a verse lifted from the Jewish Mishnah) and, as a consequence, has been a favorite of both George W. Bush and Barack Obama. Taken by itself, 5:32 means one thing, but if you read 5:32 in context, that is as followed and modified by 5:33, quite a different meaning emerges:
5:32: “We ordained for the Children of Israel that if any one slew a person – unless it be for murder or for spreading mischief in the land – it would be as if he slew the whole people: and if any one saved a life, it would be as if he saved the life of the whole people. Then although there came to them Our messengers with clear signs, yet, even after that, many of them continued to commit excesses in the land.”
This seems to be a denunciation of killing, save in the case of punishing someone for murder or “for spreading mischief in the land” — but we still need to understand that last phrase, which is defined only in the next verse, 5:33, which reads:
“The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His messenger and strive to make mischief in the land is only this, that they should be murdered or crucified or their hands and their feet should be cut off on opposite sides or they should be imprisoned; this shall be as a disgrace for them in this world, and in the hereafter they shall have a grievous chastisement.”
Who are those who “wage war against Allah and His messenger” if not the non-Muslims, of every kind? And what is to happen to them? They are deserving of execution, or crucifixion, or having their hands and feet cut off. 5:33 is the gloss that gives 5:32 its real meaning, which is not peace but a sword, and quite different from what both Barack Obama and George Bush apparently think it means.
But still more egregious is the attempt to make non-Muslims believe that Qur’an 2:256 (“There is no compulsion in religion”) is to be taken literally. And that requires us, in the next article, to examine what freedom of religious choice, in a Sharia state, non-Muslims and, for that matter, Muslims themselves have.
jasnan says
I wish a 100 people go to the source with a copy of Quran translation by Hilali / Mohshin khan published by Saudi Arabia and authorized by saudi islamic universities
Just start reading and the Muslim lies will begin………. and any sensible Muslims will become suffocated on hearing the poison coming from Quran
mortimer says
MERELY READING THE KORAN is much more likely to turn people off completely… due to the page after page of ranting hatred directed from Allah towards the dirty, disbelieving kufaar.
THE KORAN is a troop motivator, a Machiavellian hoax, a plagiarized text that is self-referentially incoherent, ungrammatical, illogical and unhistorical, incomprehensible in the original text, a racist manifesto of hatred towards non-Arabs, a solicitation of murder, an anti-Semitic hate text, an anti-Christian death warrant, an extortionist’s manual, a justification for pedophilia, polygamy and violence against women. The Koran appears to be the rantings of a schizophrenic. There isn’t a single useful idea in it, and much that is in it is obviously erroneous, stupid and morally repugnant. It preaches implacable hatred and endless world war against non-Muslims until victory. So long as there is this book, there will be no peace in the world.
Dblitz says
Yes it stinks
aDhimmiSaysWhat? says
Banning a book will get us nowhere. How can you identify the BS, if you can’t read it? You were making a good post, right up until your conclusion.
Nabi says
You’re reading too narrowly–for example preaching it could be banned if the ‘hate’ laws were appliede logically.
gravenimage says
Mortimer, thee are few acting in the name of Mein Kampf any more. I don’t care if the Qur’an is around as a historical artifact; I just don’t want to see pious Muslims oppressing and slaughtering on its tenets.
dumbledoresarmy says
And then there’s the Sira, and the Sahih Hadiths (Bukhari and Muslim), and the rest…
mach37 says
I’ve been saying for at least a year (as long as I have been studying Islam), the American public needs to know what is in the Koran. Parents need to know the verses that call for killing, maiming and torturing infidels and the subjugation of those who refuse to convert to Islam, and make sure their children also know that the Koran is not a GOOD book. If all the violent verses are removed from the Koran, there is nothing left worth keeping the religion around for; it just becomes a totalitarian anti-woman ideology.
Bill D. says
I highly recommend watching the new documentary on Muhammad, “Through the Lens of Muhammad’s Life: How the Example and Teachings of Muhammad Shape Islam Today.” It is a great education tool for people who have not studied Islam and the presentation is well balanced. https://youtu.be/YtKJpahyC10 There is also a two minute trailer: https://youtu.be/HX055oEbqTo
mach37 says
That video seems to be almost a word-for-word recitation of what Robert Spencer has written in his books. How anyone could see the good features of Islam overshadowing the bad is beyond me. In Christianity we seem to have all the good and NONE of the bad in Islam; so why tolerate Islam?
Bill D. says
I think the value of the video lies in the fact that it tries to present both sides. So it gains credibility with someone who is looking at the material for the first time. People get suspicious when only one side is presented. But, like you said, in the end it’s pretty obvious that whatever good Muhammad did, was far outweighed by the evil he brought. It’s would be hard to come to any other conclusion if you believe in Western values.
WPM says
Good article it shows the Islamic salesmanship, have a very poor produced {Islam}feed the customer do some ass kissing you sold the defected inferior produced. They could sell swamp land in Florida in the 1970s.The problem is they {Islam} are selling our children future away to be sex slaves and 3 class people. Robert Spencer is trying to make us a informed consumer so we do not buy this rat shit Islam and eat it.
Roy Jennings says
It is likely that some Muslims living in a Western style society will have some sense of allegiance to the country they inhabit. Islamic doctrines maybe diluted with a greater acceptance of others way of life and beliefs. A percentage will enjoy the greater freedoms and create friendships with non Muslims. However questioning Islamic motives invariably reveals a psychological intolerance against anyone that criticises their beliefs. Despite the world wide daily evidence of Islamic Jihad in its many forms, Muslims invariably claim they are victims of others aggression towards them.
gravenimage says
Most Muslims are not in the West to become “moderates”. Even here in the US, over half of Muslims openly say they want to see Shari’ah law imposed here.
Roy Jennings says
Here is the complete doc 🙂
There has to be serious and lengthy debate where challenges to Islamic doctrine are openly discussed without fear of retribution. The facts about Islam and its rapidly growing influence in the World need research and definition. Without debate the divide between Islam and the so called non believers (of Islam) will create growing animosity and continued mistrust. A better understanding of Islam and its real agenda is essential.
Every month thousands die in wars and terror attacks as a direct result of Islamic ideology right across the Globe. Most Western media claim it’s the result of a handful of extremists who use Islam as a cover. This is clearly untrue when the challenges of Islamic integration and stability are literally world wide. Islamic extremist groups operate globally with the support of millions of Muslims. Numerous surveys show a significant number of Muslims have sympathy with Islamic wars and terrorism. Many see the Western Alliances as being responsible for interfering with Islamic ideology at home and abroad. Therefore retribution in any country that is seen to suppress Islam and its agenda is justifiable. The definition of Jihad is a struggle or fight against the enemies of Islam and covers a plethora of actions. Verbal retribution, intolerance of non believers, denigration of other cultures values, worldwide terrorism and wars are all acceptable forms of Jihad. This is not a new phenomenon. There has been a clash of religious/political values between followers of Islam and non believers known as infidels, since the formation of Islam 1400 years ago. In fact many of the disciplines followed by most Muslims have not changed in this time. Expressing concerns over Islamic values in any form is likely to create intolerance and anger within Islamic communities. This has meant centuries of conflict between Muslims and those who do not accept their ideology. Most Muslims are against all out war and terrorism but expect other forms of Jihad where seen as justifiable. Most Muslims want Islamic values to be accepted in countries they inhabit without being challenged. This particularly applies to the part/full implementation of Sharia Law sometimes called Islamic law.
Sharia Law is the `glue` that links all Muslims. From Islamic extremists to those who enjoy many aspects of Western culture, it’s an essential part of a Muslims life and is the path they are expected to follow. It is in effect the Islamic constitution. As Muslim numbers grow in any country, the pressure on Authority to allow some aspects of Sharia is automatic. Unlike virtually all other religions, Sharia can also apply in non Islamic cultures. The UK has already incorporated aspects of Sharia into British law. The inclusion of any part of Sharia is the start of growing Islamic influence. In Islamic countries many Sharia laws are legally enforceable against those that break the law. A particularly concerning aspect of Sharia is punishments that inflict injury and even death on people. Leaving the Islamic faith is punishable by death. Every year thousands people are killed and injured across the globe as a result of Sharia enforcement and Islamic retribution.
As Sharia law is a political and religious entity, it questions is Islam religious, political or both? Islam enjoys the protectionism of being accepted as a religion while having a clearly defined political status. Religious protectionism is used by Islam to fend off criticism of its values. However as a political body this would not apply. Islam needs to be defined for what it is, not for what it claims to be. The evidence that is has political motives is incontrovertible.
This protectionism and illogical political correctness (PC), allows Muslims to insist they are victims of oppression simply as a result of others (non believers) disagreeing with Islamic values? An example is Islamic terror attacks. Islamic communities supported by the media invariably condemn the attacks. However this is normally followed by a warning of retribution for those who may blame Islam. This is a common and very successful form of Jihad with Islamaphobia and hate crime being levelled against anyone that criticizes Islam. The terms racist and bigot are common responses (Jihad) to those who express concerns over Islamic ideology.
The Worlds Islamic populations are exploding as a result of huge birth rates and continuing mass immigration to non Muslim countries. Islamic influence will therefore continue to expand at the same rate. Nurturing future generations of dedicated Muslims is crucial to an increasing Islamic influence.
Islamic radicalisation starts from the age Muslim children can learn. The teaching of Islam ideology known as the 1 truth, the 1 way of life, is almost mandatory. All family members are involved in this process. This equates to indoctrination of an ideology that becomes omnipotent for many Muslims. The study and understanding of the 6000+ versus in the Quran and other Islamic literature is an integral part of their upbringing. Muslims are expected to pray up to 5 times a day reinforcing these values. Regular visits to Mosques and Islamic institutions lead to further indoctrination and reaffirmation. Islam is akin to a religious/political language and one where no other conflicting languages are taught or accepted. No other major religion or political ideology enforces its doctrine like Islam. It becomes an unbreakable faith.
It is likely that some Muslims living in a Western style society will have some sense of allegiance to the country they inhabit. Islamic doctrines maybe diluted with a greater acceptance of others way of life and beliefs. A percentage will enjoy the greater freedoms and create friendships with non Muslims. However questioning Islamic motives invariably reveals a psychological intolerance against anyone that criticises their beliefs. Despite the world wide daily evidence of Islamic Jihad in its many forms, Muslims invariably claim they are victims of others aggression towards them.
Most Western style Authorities seems to believe that acceptance of Islam is the answer? It seems wary of its supposed religious stature and its obvious intolerance of criticism. The fear of an Islamic backlash now affects many aspects of Western life. Those that question Islamic motives are often ridiculed by Authority and the media. Mainstream media shows a level of defined ignorance and arrogance regarding those who seek a public debate on Islam and its agenda. Encouraged by the hideous omnipresence of PC and Islamic protectionism, it facilitates hatred and ridicule against anyone who may criticize Islam, yet is sympathetic to virtually all who support Islamic values. Those that are prepared to publicly express concern are labelled Islamaphobic, racist or any number of derogatory terms. Authority also believes, despite all the evidence to the contrary, that Islam will ultimately integrate on all social and cultural levels in non Islamic societies? The reality is that with the fastest expanding population of any political or religious group worldwide, within 2-3 decades Islam is likely to become Authority via democracy. It’s already happening where Muslim populations have grown sufficiently. Democracy allows opposition to Islam and is therefore likely to be annulled or at least changed to prevent democratic challenge. It is also probable that the Islamic terrorist groups who have lost hundreds of thousands of lives fighting for an Islamic World will expect (and get) positions of power. A much harder form of Sharia law is then the likely outcome for everyone.
1400 years of History shows that to accept Islam as part of a non Islamic culture, will NOT lead to their overall acceptance of other religious or overall political ideology. In fact history shows the opposite is the case with non integration and conflict the norm. When will those that clearly have a pro Islamic agenda stop falsifying the facts and start protecting their populations from Islamic doctrine? Presently the opposite is true with Islam gaining prominence on many levels. This creates a growing confidence within Muslim communities that the future will involve a growing Islamic influence and all that entails for those concerned by this supremacist ideology.
There has to be debate where challenges to Islamic doctrine are openly discussed without fear of retribution. The facts about Islam and its growing influence in the World need research and definition. Without debate the divide between Islam and the so called non believers will create growing animosity, further death and destruction and a World in constant war.
Royston Jennings
UK
June 2017.
gravenimage says
Roy Jennings wrote:
Without debate the divide between Islam and the so called non believers (of Islam) will create growing animosity and continued mistrust.
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Roy, as you know, Islam *demands* animosity against Infidels.
Roy Jennings says
Sadly most of the Worlds Establishment is trying to convince us the opposite is true.
Michael Copeland says
“It is unbelief (kufr) to hold that the remnant cults now bearing the names of formerly valid religions, such as ‘Christianity’ or ‘Judaism’, are acceptable … .”
Manual of Islamic Law, w4.1(2)
https://libertygb.org.uk/news/wake-and-smell-hatred
mach37 says
There are some glaring examples of Muslim immigrants bearing “home grown” American children who revert to the most barbaric customs of Islam. Is there something in their genetics that sways their allegiance from America to Muhammad? Or could it be a failure of American schools to teach history, and perhaps foster some patriotism in the land of their birth?
Emilie Green says
“. . . for those non-Muslims who want to understand what all the fuss and, alas, suspicion is all about.”
“Now if you’ll set aside people inside cages being burned to death, bound, kneeling prisoners having their throats cut open, pre-teened boys killing rope-tied persons by being shot in the head, the Pali Saturday morning cartoons depicting Jews as all manner of hideous creatives, the mass graves constantly being found in this Muslim country and that Muslim country, the countless passages in our holy books calling for the murdering of anyone who won’t accept Islam as their religion,
“if you’ll set all that aside,
“and have some of this hummus, you’ll be able to learn all about Islam.”
Shmooviyet says
Agreed.
If one of the attendees dares mention those unpleasant realities, he gets hushes, snarls and shaming from the tolerant hydras around him– before the expert can begin his prepared reply.
mortimer says
HOW TO DUPE KAFIRS? Merely leave out important details about Islamic supremacism… such as the VERBAL AND LEGAL WARFARE Muslims are waging to subjugate and dominate the dirty, disbelieving kafirs…whom Muslims ‘HATE for the sake of Allah’.
“War is deceit, i.e. the most complete and PERFECT WAR waged by a holy warrior [mujahid] is a WAR OF DECEPTION, not confrontation, due to the latter’s inherent danger, and the fact that one can attain VICTORY THROUGH TREACHERY without harm [to oneself].” – Ibn al-Munir (d. 1333).
“… take great caution in war, while [publicly] lamenting and mourning in order to DUPE THE INFIDELS.” – Ibn Hajar (d. 1448)
simpleton1 says
They do the first part well.
“Pretend inferiority and encourage his arrogance”. Sun Tzu
https://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/s/suntzu138178.html
The Western World do their part well, believing they are above war..
Cantor says
What a crock of pork-and-beans!
Flavius Claudius Iulianus says
“What a crock of pork-and-beans!”
That’s great Cantor; I love it! I think I’ll use it, if you don’t mind.
mortimer says
HUH!!!? The billboard wishes ‘BLESSINGS’ to the dirty, disbelieving KAFIRS? WHAT? THIS IS DISINFORMATION! The Koran PROHIBITS PRAYING FOR DIRTY KUFAAR!
Koran 28:86 “Do not SUPPORT the kafireen in any way.”
Koran 48:29: “Muhammad is God’s apostle. Those who follow him are VIOLENT to the unbelievers, but compassionate to one another.”
gravenimage says
Muslims may lie to the Infidels if it furthers the cause of Islam.
Eur says
Impossible to do that proselytizing with Christianity in … for example Morocco (Moroccans say they are a democracy). There is no reciprocity.
Darryl Kerney says
Morocco is a parliamentary Monarchy, i know a muslim there who used to live here, he says it is illegal there to criticize any religion. But then again, he also says our problem here is “too much freedom”…..
Eur says
If the Muslims showed as much effort to literate their countries as to convert the infidels …. there would be no Islam. The educated people pass from that fascist shit.
Johan Elzinga says
Not to worry about the Koran itself. From the Dutch Wikipedia: “Sura The Women is a Sura of the Koran.
This Sura indicates that in certain circumstances a man with a maximum of four women may marry. The inheritance right is disclosed. The Christian Trinity is rejected, and some Aya’s target the early Jews and the hypocrites.”
I believe that in gatherings like this this Sura will remain unspoken of.
Or, as you correctly state, 5:38 will not be accepted by all people from the West (about the standard punishment for theft:)
[As for] the thief, the male and the female, amputate their hands in recompense for what they committed as a deterrent [punishment] from Allah . And Allah is Exalted in Might and Wise.]
Seth says
‘unwary’? Wilfully purblind.
davej says
Islam is craftier than the Nazis ever were.
Shmooviyet says
Another “Project of ICNA”. How many who call the number will be encouraged to look into the dealings of that org..?
Yes of course operators will be prepared with replies to 3 or 4 basic queries about ICNA– I suspect they would start to stumble & fumble after more.
The recommendation to learn islam from this particular source seems similar to an Obama suggestion of HuffPo as the ‘best’ news site, since it was his preference.
newUser says
I call them HuffPoo. They are very pro-Islam.
abad says
I have said it before and will say it again – Muslims are not the best source to learn about Islam.
The Quran is a better source, and of course the Hadith.
jewdog says
Great psychological approach in inviting people to study the Islamic sources. The great majority of people will do no such thing, but the feel-good vibes will make their mark. What you don’t know can hurt you.
gravenimage says
Hugh Fitzgerald: “Learn Islam From Its Source”
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Of course, every Infidel should take this literally, and read the vicious Qur’an, Hadith, and Sira for themselves.
Ahem says
Nobody, absolutely no one, not even Hugh Fitzgerald, should ever, ever quote koran chapter 2:256 (no compulsion in religion…) and neglect to point out that this verse was abrogated by the verse of the sword koran chapter 9:5 (… fight and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them … etc.)
gravenimage says
Yeah–that bastard Hugh Fitzgerald is lying down on the job…sarc/off
Bill D. says
There is a new documentary on Muhammad that cuts through the confusion created by “Learn Islam From Its Source,” etc.: “Through the Lens of Muhammad’s Life: How the Example and Teachings of Muhammad Shape Islam Today.” It has been endorsed by TROP, Bill Warner, Facing Islam, and ACT for America chapters. It is posted on YouTube at https://youtu.be/YtKJpahyC10 There is also a two minute trailer: https://youtu.be/HX055oEbqTo
Flavius Claudius Iulianus says
“… but other than that, aside from the hijab our women **like** to wear as a sign of modesty,”
That taqiya spewing dog! Yeah, right! The women **like** to not be beaten to death.
Flavius Claudius Iulianus says
An ikwan stat that they try to keep secret:
75% of all *new* converts to Mohammadism leave before 2 years.
Clearly most people are entering the faith without knowing all the facts. Another thing to hold against them.
From indonesia says
It.s july already. If its free get them if you can. Especially if they use fedex or DHL delivery paid with Saudi money. When winter come those thick book with useless content make excellent fuel.
From indonesia says
Those new convert are sometimes get married to a moslem. With varying level of religiosity. In Indonesia there are some ethnic chinese married to moslem, convert to islam, but sone of them still eat pork. Some of them however take it too seriosly… The worst kind of moslem… New convert that is too serious
Donafugata says
What was it that Dr. Johnson said of a particular book?
” this book is fit only for the most ignominious use which paper can be put ”
or words to that effect.
Telh says
Anyone contemplating attending one of these meeting should know that they will be fed bull***t and given a totally watered down version of what is a patently evil religion. World wide evidence of the fruit of this religion should be enough to put off any thinking person.
From indonesia says
It,s a toll free number. Please call them and tie up their time with some bullshit. Be polite so the dont hang up. Someone pay for it. Hopefully the saudis
Nathan says
This is one of the oddest things about jihadwatch and its fans: the determination to find the worst possible interpretation and the worst possible idea and insist that it is the “real” Islam. I have read several translations of the parts of the Koran referred to, and I don’t agree with your interpretation. Yes, the Koran says that if you “wage war” against Muslims, you should be punished severely (killed or otherwise severely hurt). But all or almost all people, Muslims and non-Muslims, think that those who “wage war” against their nation or group should or at least can be killed as part of defending oneself. I certainly believe that; if another country or a terrorist group “wages war” against my country, it is entirely moral to kill them in self defense. I see nothing in the quotation from the Koran that is in disagreement with this nearly universal principle of just war. It is a great stretch to say that this justifies aggressively killing unbelievers. I certainly don’t see it.
I say this while being fully aware that there are bad ideas in the Koran and really terrible, vile ideas in the sunna. But what is quoted is not evil, it’s perfectly moral.
I have met a lot of Muslims in my work as a teacher, and every single one of them has dear friends who are not Muslims. Your fanatical determination to see all Muslims as scheming evildoers is a sad spectacle and reminds me very much of Nazi propaganda prior to the Holocaust. There are indeed terrible evil forces within Islam today; we all know that, and all Muslims know it. But there are also good people, kind people, people that would make good friends to you and who are allies to those who fight for civilization. Never forget that, and strive to learn to love your neighbor as yourself, even as Jesus and the Torah commanded. This is what I never see in jihadwatch: a spirit of Jewish and Christian forgiveness and love. Examine yourselves and amend your actions and words. Then you will be better equipped to fight the good fight.
Bill D. says
There is recent documentary on Muhammad and Islamic beliefs (about 40 min) that you may find illuminating. It is non-confrontational, fairly well balanced, and done from a more academic perspective. Some of your concerns are addressed by it. “Through the Lens of Muhammad’s Life” https://youtu.be/YtKJpahyC10
Darryl Kerney says
http://corpus.quran.com/translation.jsp?chapter=9&verse=29
gravenimage says
Nathan wrote:
This is one of the oddest things about jihadwatch and its fans: the determination to find the worst possible interpretation and the worst possible idea and insist that it is the “real” Islam.
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How dare we “filthy Infidels” take issue with Muslims using the Qur’an and other texts of Islam to sacralize raping and slaughtering us? *Bad dhimmis*!
More:
I have read several translations of the parts of the Koran referred to, and I don’t agree with your interpretation. Yes, the Koran says that if you “wage war” against Muslims, you should be punished severely (killed or otherwise severely hurt). But all or almost all people, Muslims and non-Muslims, think that those who “wage war” against their nation or group should or at least can be killed as part of defending oneself. I certainly believe that; if another country or a terrorist group “wages war” against my country, it is entirely moral to kill them in self defense. I see nothing in the quotation from the Koran that is in disagreement with this nearly universal principle of just war. It is a great stretch to say that this justifies aggressively killing unbelievers. I certainly don’t see it.
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Really? You believe that all people say, “kill the unbelievers wherever you find them”? Where did you get that idea?
More:
I say this while being fully aware that there are bad ideas in the Koran and really terrible, vile ideas in the sunna. But what is quoted is not evil, it’s perfectly moral.
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How is mass slaughtering those who are not Muslims “perfectly moral”? *Ugh*.
More:
I have met a lot of Muslims in my work as a teacher, and every single one of them has dear friends who are not Muslims. Your fanatical determination to see all Muslims as scheming evildoers is a sad spectacle and reminds me very much of Nazi propaganda prior to the Holocaust.
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Uh huh. Where were Jewish people waging violent Jihad against Gentiles prior to WWII? What grotesque calumny. Are you ignoring those 31,000+ Jihad terror attacks just since 9/11? No doubt.
More:
There are indeed terrible evil forces within Islam today; we all know that, and all Muslims know it. But there are also good people, kind people, people that would make good friends to you and who are allies to those who fight for civilization. Never forget that, and strive to learn to love your neighbor as yourself, even as Jesus and the Torah commanded.
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We can love Muslims–that does not mean that we are fine with them raping and murdering us. Do we have to do this in order to be good people?
More:
This is what I never see in jihadwatch: a spirit of Jewish and Christian forgiveness and love. Examine yourselves and amend your actions and words. Then you will be better equipped to fight the good fight.
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What “fight” would that be? The fight against those opposing violent Jihad?
The idea that the real problem is that we are not forgiving enough of Muslims raping and murdering innocent people is simply grotesque.
Roy Jennings says
Of course Islam is the ideology of friendship to all others until you question the principles of Islam in relation to the 1400 years of evidence that its a supremacist ideology. The result invariably is intolerance of those who dare to question Islamic motives.
Muslims are brain washed from the age they can learn; there is only 1 truth 1 way of life, Islam. Its effective hypnosis and 1400 years of practice makes Muslim families very proficient. Islam is in effect a language and Muslims claim non believers don’t understand its message due to prejudice and ignorance.
With a punishment of death for leaving Islam, the highest birth rates and illegal immigration to non Muslim countries, this incestuous political ideology hiding behind religion (cowards) will continue to present the biggest global challenge for future generations of so called non believers.
infidelly says
Passive resistance is the key.
Drive them out through their own ignorance. If they’re violent, short-tempered maniacs it should be child’s play to push their buttons–and get them imprisoned.
Own a pet pig. Walk him around. Especially near mosques. Name him Allah…
100% Legal.
mach37 says
Jihadwatch and ReligionOfPeace should be producing thousands of copies of the Qur’an, with the appropriate verses highlighted in fluorescent yellow, or at the very least, in red like the red-letter editions of the Christian Bible. These copies of the Qur’an should go into the hands of Democrats, Liberals and Socialists. Intelligent readers should then understand that Islam is NOT “the religion of peace.” I would contribute to a fund to produce these books.
Dacritic says
I went for an Islamic financial planning class a year or two back. The Muslim instructor told us that the Quran is a “summary” and to understand it more, we go to the Hadith.
This, coming from a Muslim.
Well obviously, he never thought non Muslims like me would really go to the Hadith to learn about his prophet.
And here we have idiot Muslims telling us to discard the Hadith.
gravenimage says
They aren’t idiot Muslims–they are Muslims practicing Taqiyya.