Now he feels as if his colleagues have thrown him under the bus. But it isn’t hard to understand their reluctance to stand behind him. Officers ought to be able to stand being “startled” without opening fire.
This revelation only makes it more likely that Noor was only on the force to head off “Islamophobia” charges. With three complaints against him in two years, Mohamed Noor seems at very least to be dangerously reckless and/or incompetent. It is likely that Minneapolis officials were so anxious to have a Somali Muslim police officer they could showcase that they put Mohamed Noor on the force and kept him there when his obvious shortcomings would have had a non-Muslim officer fired or not hired in the first place.
“EXCLUSIVE: Killer cop says he shot Justine Damond because he was ‘startled’ by her when she ran towards his car in the dark after loud noise – and had no idea she was 911 caller,” by Shekhar Bhatia, Dailymail.com, July 19, 2017:
Killer policeman Mohamed Noor has said he was ‘startled’ by his victim Justine Damond seconds before he opened fire.
The cop has told friends about why he gunned down the bride-to-be, 40, in his first account of what happened Saturday night.
DailyMail.com has spoken to those friends to reveal for the first time his account of what happened that night.
The fact Noor has disclosed the events of the evening to friends will raise questions over his conduct.
The Minnesota Bureau of Criminal Apprehension (BCA), which is investigating the shooting, said in a statement Tuesday that he had declined to be interviewed and that his attorney had not said if or when an interview would take place.
However, many of the key parts of Noor’s narrative gel with the version of events released by the BCA, who had interviewed his partner, Matthew Harrity.
Justine was unarmed and had called 911 caller to alert police to what she believed may have been a rape taking place in the alley behind her home.
Speaking on the condition of anonymity, a friend of Noor told DailyMail.com that the officer had opened fire when an unidentified figure emerged from the dark and ran towards the vehicle.
The officer said he was not sure what the person was carrying and momentarily opened fire through his driver-partner’s open window.
It was confirmed that Justine’s cell phone was found alongside her during the tragedy.
Noor told associates it was dark and the situation was already tense as the caller had been ‘panicking’ when making the 911 call reporting an assault in the alley beyond where Justine lived with her fiancé and his son.
The squad car, driven by his partner Matthew Harrity traveled hastily down the unlit alley between Washburn and Xerxes avenues south from West 50th Street toward West 51st Street.
Crucially, the vehicle did not have its lights on and this may have been so as not to give any suspect notice that police had arrived and buy precious time to apprehend the target. That the car was unlit was disclosed by Harrity to the BCA.
Both Noor and the BCA’s version of events agree on the car’s lights being off.
According to Noor’s version when they reached the end of the alley, they came across a waiting, panicking figure.
It was dark, and the figure was moving around and approached their vehicle.
Noor said he did not know whether the figure who rushed towards their vehicle was the 911 caller or even if it was a man or woman.
He his weapon through Harrity’s open driver’s window hitting his victim once in the abdomen.
Both he and Harrity gave CPR to the victim before help and back up arrived, but she was pronounced dead at the scene.
The friend said: ‘Mohamed believes he acted to protect himself and his colleague, but accepts since that she was not armed.
‘It was over in seconds and it was a very tense moment. He is sorry for the woman and her family.
‘But he would never have opened fire without genuinely feeling in danger.’
The officer, who is now suspended form the Minneapolis P.D., feels he has been ‘thrown under the bus’ by his Minneapolis police colleagues, the friend said.
‘He is aware that they normally come together at times like this and support each other with slogans like “Blue Lives Matter”.
‘But in this situation he has realized he is probably alone with his legal team and Somali police colleagues.
‘He feels like he is being thrown under the bus and his colleagues are accusing him of not showing proper police conduct on Saturday night….
Veka Fitzfrancis says
You have got to be kidding me. You shot across your partner? You went into a potential rape in progress with your body cams and the patrol car cams off? Gross negligence on you and your partner’s part – Noor has NO business being a cop.
overman says
“You went into a potential rape in progress with your body cams and the patrol car cams off”
Yeah, l thought it was compulsory to have them ON.
And if he’s so innocent, why is he refusing to give a statement? Why are all his cop friends [not the somali cops] refusing to back him up? This all smells fishy to me.
harbidoll says
he has a history, 2 complaints & another dropped. They know him!–
Shane says
It will probably be ruled an unjustified shooting and he will be fired. Is it possible that he was hired because he was a Somali Muslim? it is possible, and he may have been treated more leniently by his superiors as to not offend the Muslim population.
gravenimage says
Apparently the city made a big deal out of his hire because he was a Somali Muslim.
Jim William Lovett says
He would give me a statement from jail if I was working it
PATRICIA FRANCES KOENIG says
Mohammed Noor is a coward… and now he is whining that the other police are not baking up his cowardice. What a double wimp!
WPM says
+1 how could draw and fire your gun at a unknown unarned person, why was your person camera off on a call for assault? You cry to your Islamic friends but will not come clean to the public ,the woman,s family or the police force you took an oath to serve ? Cry baby always the victim Islamic baby, do any males in Islam have an emotional level about a 4 year old?
WPM says
unarmed
BC says
One thing is clear he is not fit to be in possession of a firearm or officer or to be a police officer. No doubt if he is dismissed CAIR will be on his case claiming discrimination
old white guy says
he is not fit to be in America.
Joy Beum says
He was called out on a possible rape. He is muslim, thus rape is not a crime to him.
Who knows ‘what else’.
Hessie L. Harris says
Not only that, just what suspect were they looking for? They had not even confirmed that there was a victim?
gravenimage says
Yes–an important point, Hessie.
LaLa says
He had his weapon drawn in the car on his way to a possible rape. What cop has his weapon drawn prior to even seeing the person clearly. It would really surprise me if he drew his weapon in an instant.
What if it was because she was a white woman with no head scarf, what if he was a lone wolf jihadi under the guise of being a cop? It is certainly a possibility.
Why is he telling his friends and not telling investigators if he truly was startled? Sounds like he needs reinforcements on his side because he is NOT telling the truth on the matter.
He needs to do time for this, I can only hope her family runs with it and gets him off the force and in jail.
What is a cop doing on the force that is so on edge that he would even fire across his partner, not to mention killing an unarmed civilian.
Frank Anderson says
Lala, you are asking fair and reasonable questions that you can be sure of never getting a reasonable and fair answer from the responsible people. Lying is not a unique characteristic of Muslims. This is a good time for people in and near the jurisdiction to think about posting anything reflecting bias or prejudgment. They might be called for jury duty.
LilyDarcey says
He’s a nervous Nellie coward.
Joy Beum says
It was DARK AND SCARY in the alley. OMG! How did he actually get his job? Quota???
Gerald says
Why is it we have to learn this kind of information from the Daily Mail? Do we not have any actual reporters in the United States anymore? (rhetorical question, we know the answer.)
Sarah says
Check the Australian news sites. Its big news here, because the poor woman was one of us.
Word of advice, avoid The Age, The Courier Mail and Perth Now, unless you want a mouthful of pure Lefty propaganda. And News.com.au is good – but still heavily Left influenced. Don’t even waste your time on ABC. Its as bad as the BBC in the UK.
quota raven says
Sarah – Thanks for your heads up re Aussie news sources. Cheers! quota raven
gravenimage says
Thanks, Sarah. I’m so sorry this happened to a fellow Aussie.
kuriakose says
True. ABC is the worst of the lot.
The legal system is also to be blamed, there will always be some lawyer ready to defend the vilest of criminals on some premise of innocent until proven without any reasonable doubt of being guilty. So clever unprincipled lawyers will exploit the reasonable doubt premise and save many guilty clients. Here it looks like the lawyers have instructed that vile character to remain silent until they can cook up a plausible lie to explain his actions.
Sarah says
No worries guys.
I’ve heard it repeated ad nauseum here, on the news, in print, on radio etc – they keep reassuring us that the whole idea of Noor NOT talking about what happened is nothing unusual and he is just exercising his rights under the law to not talk about it, at this stage.
Well, to everyone I’ve spoken to about it in Australia (and God knows I haven’t shut up about this particular case) including myself – that excuse may well be the law and it may well be the norm – I have no clue really, with US Law and legal rights etc, but it just makes him look as guilty as sin.
Why be silent and hide behind your Lawyer like a pathetic coward if it was a true accident and mistake? If you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to fear – and all that kind of thinking etc.
But I am truly, struggling very very hard right now to show objectivity or impartiality with this case, so in fairness, my thinking along these lines – and the thinking I’m seeing from other Australians is most likely infected to at least a certain degree, with outrage and ignorance simply because we don’t know the whole facts and do not fully appreciate the details of his legal rights as a US citizen.
Frank Anderson says
PLEASE remember that a valid conviction which will be upheld on appeal cannot happen without a competent and zealous defense. In the US, in ALL states, the prosecutor’s job is to “seek justice (the truth)”, not blind convictions. The defense lawyer is there to force the state to prove its case.
Please remember that in one of the most notable examples of this principle when Adolf Eichman, one of the key figures in the Holocaust, was tried in Israel, he was afforded some of the best and most competent defense lawyers available. There is no reasonable doubt that he received a fair trial, was convicted and is to date the only person ever executed by the Israeli legal system.
“A lawyer’s duty of zealous advocacy of his client’s interest is limited by an equally solemn duty to uphold the law and the standards of professional conduct.” Nix v. Whiteside, 475 U.S. 157 (1986). Many lawyers have been caught violating the rules and disbarred. The most notable example to date is former prosecutor of the Duke Lacrosse players in Raleigh NC, Mike Nifong. Nifong was goaded into bringing false charges by Rev. Al Sharpton. When the case fell apart because it was totally false, Nifong was removed from office, disbarred, sued, lost, bankrupted, denied discharge of the judgments, criminally prosecuted and sentenced to jail. I haven’t checked to see if he served time; but how much more? I wonder what happened to Harvard educated Baltimore prosecutor Marilyn Mosby since the false murder charges against 6 police officers (also goaded by Rev, Al Sharpton) fell apart.
Please, until you see lawyer violations of the rules, thank the lawyer who accepts the horrible cases and does his duty. There is no way to obtain a valid conviction in his absence.
Louis Schwartz says
Sarah, This whole story stinks to high Heaven. I have never read a more illogical, convoluted pile of non-sense in my life. This idiot cop killed Justine in cold blood-end of story. Also, as in a previous comment, it appears to me that he already had his weapon drawn, not holstered as it should have been, as Justine was approaching. It is difficult to unholster a firearm when sitting down in a police car. He also fired across his partners chest which is a big breach in protocol. I have also, just read, that he fired at Justine SEVERAL times, no just once. This cop is completely incompetent. “He was startled by a loud noise”…very, very weak excuse. I too, thought that he is ordered to give his testimony to BCA or face additional charges. As I said, this report is so full of holes, if it was cheese, it would be Swiss. I hope justice is served. On behalf of the American People, I would like to apologize to Justines Family and the People of Australia. R.I.P. Justine.
Papa Whiskey says
The Twin Cities news outlets are full of leftist lickspittles. If they reveal vital information it’s only inadvertently.
brane pilot says
Affirmative action has serious consequences. This man was a hysterical coward who had no business being issued a gun and a badge.
gravenimage says
I think he may have been much worse than that. Remember, this is his *defense*.
Papa Whiskey says
Yes, and he is likening it to that of Jeronimo Yanez, which succeeding in getting that guy acquitted in the panicky shooting of Philando Castile.
Most cops are alright, but it doesn’t take many bad ones to really screw the proverbial pooch.
StacyGirl says
This is not even comparable to the Castile shooting.
Brent Garner says
Noor is lying. He is trying to cover his backside. I am throwing the BS flag on this. First, Noor fired across the front of his partner. That is a major safety violation. Second, as already pointed out, both officers were in violation of department policy by having their body cams and the car cam off. Third, even in the shootings so “celebrated” elsewhere there was clear aggressive intent or repeated disregard for instructions from the police officer. No has said that either officer ordered the woman to halt or to stop. If they had, and she continued to move toward them, then there might be justification. But so far, no one has made any claim that she was ordered to stop.
Ray Sears says
Sorry, but under the the law as enacted by the City of Minneapolis they were not required to activate their body cameras before the shooting ( A Stupid Law, But The Law Nevertheless ). At the time of the shooting, she was standing next to the police car, talking to Officer Noor’s partner and not moving around and the streetlights in the alley were on and working, so not dark as later claimed. ( cit Local Media reports ) JUST SAYING !
Hessie L. Harris says
May I add a little more? First, it is claimed that he and partner were going into a darkened alley, without lights on, ostensibly to pursue a suspect. It was not established that there was a victim. So how could they be looking for a suspect? Furthermore, if they were looking for a suspect, the possibility of the use of force would be there, So why was the camera not on? Second, the first reports that came out stated that there were THREE witnesses who saw the shooting and noticed how stunned Noor’s partner was. After the fact, the claim is that the police had seen a person on a bike in the vicinity who came and watched when they were trying to give the victim CPR. Those three witnesses said nothing about there being any loud noise preceding the shooting.
Fourth, and most telling the witnesses said that the victim was talking to the officer in the driver’s seat BEFORE Noor fired. This totally contradicts the statement that the victim approached the car after a loud noise which is being used to justify Noor’s act.. Fifth, there was no statement as to which direction the “loud noise” was coming from. Hence, why would he reach across his partner and fire? If he thought that his partner had been fired upon, the sensible thing would have been to crouch and then fire. Finally, who ever heard of an investigation where the shooter could refuse to be interviewed. The “official statement” being offered is supposedly based on the interview with the other officer who is being pressured into giving a false narrative. There is a lot more that does not add up which we all know.
Walt Parkman says
That jihadist Noor is going to regret the target he chose. He killed Don Damond’s fiance. Don Damond is now at Little Six casino, but for twelve years he was VP at Mystic Lake. The Mystic Lake casino is so profitable that each of the 460 members of the Shakopee Indian Tribe host of the property collect $86k per month as their take. This victim will not lie down quietly. The Minneapolis police had better be very forthcoming with all information.
Westman says
He walked under the bus all by himself. If he shot more than once, even the startled story is baloney – also, the other officer was closer to the woman and saw no risk, so why would he shoot past that other officer? It would be easy for the other officer to cover for him, but has not. The story of what happened is very suspect.
Are we seeing a product of the past BLM conflicts and shootings? A cop that sees a dark figure as an assassin?
JawsV says
I despise the headgear above that screams “We’re Muslims!” and as symbols of vile Islam.
The Mpls police dept is trying to figure out what to do and not be called “islamophobic.”
Shmooviyet says
Noor feels unsupported– by his non-Somali fellow officers. (Why not explain his fear of danger to investigators?) This comes across as more islamic PR.
I’m surprised to see the alley described not just as ‘poorly lit’, but “unlit”. Not far from that location alleys have had streetlighting for decades. Not to mention the many garages/driveways with motion-detector lighting.
LaLa says
Sort of like the whole clock boy crap. Islamic PR BS
Sarah says
Are you kidding me??
Just how big a coward is this murderer? He was safely seated inside a Police car, backed up by a fellow partner. Both were armed to their back teeth. And a 40 year old white woman in PAJAMAS comes rushing over to them (you know, because she needs help and has seen the Police car) and he says he was ‘startled’. So ‘startled’ that he effing shot her in the stomach, through the car door.
Coward. Coward. Coward. Coward. Coward. Coward.
Coward. Coward. Coward. Coward. Coward. Coward.
Coward. Coward. Coward. Coward. Coward. Coward.
Coward. Coward. Coward. Coward. Coward. Coward.
Coward. Coward. Coward. Coward. Coward. Coward.
Coward. Coward. Coward. Coward. Coward. Coward.
She did a very Aussie thing. As an Australia, white female, I too, have literally rushed up to an approaching Police car before, as I’ve called to report a problem and in my nation, its SAFE to run up to a Police car that is answering your emergency call. In my nation, you feel confident and secure that you won’t be shot in the stomach, through the car door, by one of the Police arriving to help you.
I genuinely don’t see why what she did, could be considered alarming or startling. She wasn’t waving a gun or machete in her hands. She wasn’t waving anything that could be accidentally identified as a weapon. I sincerely doubt she had a look of murderous rage on her face, as she ran toward them, in her PAJAMAS for God’s sake.
Why didn’t he get on the loudspeaker – or hey, just CALL OUT TO HER – and tell her to halt and not approach any closer? If he was so worried that a middle aged white woman in her pajamas was running towards him and his partner, whilst safely secured in the car, with all those weapons on hand?
Coward. Coward. Coward. Coward. Coward. Coward.
Jail him. If he ever gets out, deport him. Scum. Murderous scum.
gravenimage says
Americans do this, as well. His excuse is obvious bs.
vyx says
Me too. Approaching the police car you call is completely normal and to be expected.
Sarah says
Thanks guys. I’m glad to hear that its still a normal thing in America – to be safe when approaching the Police. It just makes what happened to this poor woman, even worse, really.
I feel just sick for that poor woman’s family – both her Australian – and her American. I didn’t know her myself, or anyone who loves her. But this one has hit me fairly hard, its just so senseless and I just can’t stop thinking of the loved ones. Her fiancee, stepson, her father and family here. Her friends. The pain they are all in right now. Its heartbreaking.
What has struck me though – what is currently rotting my head with all of this – is Mohammed Noor’s family. I saw a few articles today on a few sites, wherein the family of that coward have released a statement. In the statement they have said:
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“We feel so bad about this, we are traumatised ourselves. It’s so unfortunate,” a family member said.
“If you wait for the investigation you’ll know it was an honest and sincere event that transpired. Until then we can’t really say anything.”
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Now in fairness, straight up – I’ll admit, I’m particularly upset by this case. So I’m struggling to be objective at this stage. I can’t seem to find any impartiality or fairness towards Noor.
Is it just me, or is that we keep seeing statements, being released by the families and community members of people who are essentially, foreigners, who are living in our lands – who when faced with horrible situations like this murder, or a terror attack, or some other nightmare event – that those family members, friends and community members focus first and foremost on their own self pity?
To be perfectly frank, I do not care if the Noor family feel ‘traumatized’. I doubt that they do – they didn’t lose someone they loved in a senseless act of brutal violence. Even if they do feel utterly ‘traumatized’ by the events – IT IS NOT APPROPRIATE to be self flagellating in this way, in what seems to me, to be a woefully transparent case of attempting to sway opinion and garner sympathy and pity and support.
Justine Damond is dead. Mohammed Noor isn’t. He’s absolutely fine. He’s just fine. She will never walk the earth again, because of him – accident or not – he is responsible for her death. And from a position of trusted authority, no less. He is not blameless. He may not have meant to kill her. But he did. He is not innocent. He is a killer. At best, he is a pathetic killer reeking of cowardice who does not show remorse. At worst, he’s a violent animal masquerading as a Police Officer who brutally killed an innocent woman for no good reason.
And the idea of his feral family releasing a statement that seems to me, to focus solely on
A) their own pathetic self interest and
B) their desire to protect him from his own consequences
well, it makes me sick. And it makes me hostile. It makes me resentful, bitter and deeply, deeply angry.
If the Police Officer in question were a Westerner, say his name was Bob Smith. And he shot Justine Damond in the exact same circumstances. We would see a statement from the family that would be along the lines of:
“Our hearts and our thoughts are with the Damond family in this terrible time. We feel terrible for them and wish there were something we could do to ease their suffering. We await the outcome of the investigation into the matter and wish that the media and the public would respect the privacy of the victims family and of our family in this time”.
THAT is a suitable statement. That is a statement that does not hang their loved one out to dry. And its a statement that shows a priority for the feelings and the suffering of the victim’s family. Because Bob Smith’s family’s feelings right now, pale in comparison to Justine’s.
That is Western culture, to a tee. And Mohammed Noor’s family are displaying something very different. Which is simply, unacceptable. They live here, they emigrated here. They want to take advantage of the West. But they won’t integrate.
I do not care if they feel ‘traumatized’. Sorry for the swearing – but go to fucking hell with your trauma. You’re OK. Your loved one is fine. Justine Damond isn’t fine. Don’t play to me for pity right now.
Its insensitive to the enth degree and its something we often see from Muslims from other cultures who live in the West. They sob about their own self interest, their own self pity, their own involvement and how the world affects THEM. They could care less about Justine Damond. Or her family.
Maybe I am wrong here. But I am sure, convinced to my bones that I’ve seen statements from other Muslim families,friends and community members in the past, after their loved ones have committed shocking acts in the West – and their statements are the same. Self pitying, attention seeking narcissism that cares nothing for the actual victims and their loved ones.
I’d have to go searching the net for proof of this – and I am happy to admit that I’m wrong if anyone else reading this comment can refute what I’m saying, as I said earlier – I’m struggling to be objective or impartial on this situation given the circumstances.
It just shows, in my mind today, the absolute disconnect between the different culture’s. And its a grossly inappropriate time for that disconnect to play out.
gravenimage says
“Wait for the investigation”? Right now, Noor is refusing to talk to investigators.
“Minneapolis: Muslim cop who shot unarmed woman refuses to be interviewed by investigators”
https://www.jihadwatch.org/2017/07/minneapolis-muslim-cop-who-shot-unarmed-woman-refuses-to-be-interviewed-by-investigators
This Mohammedan’s family is lying.
Sarah says
Jesus Christ. That’s a new one for me. I didn’t know that.
Well, here I am prostrating myself on here, repeatedly, about how I am struggling to be objective on this one and thus, my comments should be taken with a grain of salt – because its clear that my emotions are running high.
And here I am, worrying about trying to be fair towards this coward. More fool me.
Feral scum. He’s screwed. I don’t understand US law – but if he did this here, then the investigation would go ahead without him. Without his side of the story – well, it looks like he murdered an innocent woman for no damn reason, so the police would send their results to the Director of Public Prosecution who would check it all out, decide if there was a case to be heard – which they would given there is nothing to suggest it was anything other than cold blooded murder – and then Noor, in Australia, would be on trial.
Is that the process that will feasibly occur over there, Graven?
As for the family – yeah, I agree. They don’t care about anything or anyone outside of themselves.
gravenimage says
Yes–the investigation will go on without him, Sarah.
somehistory says
What you have said is true. And the anger has no real outlet.
He murdered the woman, refuses to explain himself…and so far, it has not been reported that he has been *charged* or will be charged, so he wouldn’t need to be concerned about his *rights.*
As you stated, his family is only concerned about themselves…a trait of a true psychopath is to think of self, no matter the situation. They may not be born psychopath, but have certainly learned it from islum to think of self and only self.
If he waits to talk until all evidence has been gathered that shows he is guilty of a crime…as it shouts out through what we now know…everything he says will be held against him. He evidently thinks that not talking will keep him out of trouble.
I did not know Ms. Diamond, of course, but I feel for her loved ones and am sorry for their grief. Death is hard in any circumstance, but one like this, so wrong and senseless is nearly impossible to take. The focus of sympathy should be on them, not the shooter’s family or their *community.*
High Hopes says
https://www.thesun.co.uk/archives/news/269485/mum-of-girl-16-raped-by-three-somali-men-tells-how-their-50-friends-and-relatives-harassed-her-during-trial/
This is how it goes in England, no shame, no regret, just intimidation, violence and mob mentality. Toned down for the US, as they know it’s not as soft there. Waking up to this awful reality in our midst is traumatising, and for Justine may eternal light shine upon her soul, RIP.
somehistory says
The people he speaks to outside, his parents, siblings, etc. (everyone except a wife) can be questioned and if he admitted something to them, it will be used.
If he doesn’t say anything until he is read his rights, whatever he says after that, can be used.
He is not talking to the authorities because he likely knows they can get the truth out of him, even if it’s just by the use of the same questions over and over with his different responses. Liars never remember exactly what their story is.
There was at least one case where what the guy didn’t say was used against him. He talked and talked, but refused to answer one question and it was used to prove his guilt.
He has the right to remain silent, but in his position, that points to guilt. And what he has said to his friends, adds further proof.
Frank Anderson says
Some, I believe if you check whatever he says to anyone is potentially an “admission” and one of the 30 or so exceptions to the hearsay rule, if it is hearsay at all. The only time Miranda comes into play is when he is arrested and questioned by police. Until he is arrested whatever he says is fair game for admission at trial. I hope you can distinguish between the 2 uses of the word admission: 1) is an out of court statement against interest that would not be made “unless it were true”; 2) is evidence that is admissible at trial.
Every person who hears him talk about this matter is subject to being called as a witness and forced to say under oath what he told them. Please check the Federal Rules of Evidence, which would certainly be applicable in a federal court, and also applicable in state courts (generally) if they have been adopted and adapted for state court use. I can’t get to the FRE at the moment; but will try to find the precise rule for your reading and post in a few minutes. Of course, people can lie like dogs under oath, and depending on the prosecutor and priorities, get away with it.
This rule works wonderfully. I have several times brought horror to the faces of opponents when forcing the truth to be told.
Frank Anderson says
Some, please read up on Federal Rules of Evidence 801 through 803 and 901 regarding hearsay and authentication. The more he says, the more that can be shown. The rules by themselves just start to tell what they mean. Go further and see some articles, publications and especially cases that can be found among other places by looking at the annotations in the United States Code Annotated, and then going to the reporters to see the full case opinions..
The problem is that the prosecutor, if state or city employed, is in a position of extreme conflict of interest. If charges are brought against the shooter those charges are an admission on the part of “government” in a civil case that he (the shooter) did wrong. ALL those in the chain of command are exposed to claims for hiring and retaining him, and his acting in a wrongful manner while in their employ. The prosecutor, through his office, may at the same time be in the position of prosecuting him while defending the city, department and “folks”. He would certainly alienate those “clients” in the process of doing his duty prosecuting the crime. Just think of who controls the prosecutor’s budget; and how happy they would be to de-fund his office if he sticks a big claim against them. It has happened where I live.
Defending the claims against the city etc. would always start with 1) Intervening Criminal Conduct and 2) Actions beyond the scope and line of his employment. I think those arguments would fail and the family could win a huge claim against everyone in sight.
I am retired. Please consult a currently licensed and practicing attorney in your jurisdiction for advice.
Donald R Laster Jr says
The key is the more he talks to anyone the more those individuals can be asked what he said. And the prosecutor, if he is charged with a crime, can use any inconsistency against him.
Frank Anderson says
Donald, whether or not he is charged with a crime his statements can also be presented in a civil suit for damages. Both federal and state courts are potential venues for the civil suit under “concurrent jurisdiction”. Please consider my comments in this article regarding Fed Rules of Evidence 801-803, and the fact that admissions are not considered hearsay to even reach the question of whether the statements he made fall within exceptions to the rule. As I recall there are in excess of 30 exceptions to the rule, in addition to the question “Is this hearsay?’. This is a rare case where the damages potentially recoverable should make the case profitable, compared particularly to libel/slander cases where the cost to benefit may be questionable. I would love to see the HORROR on the faces of the defendants as this case develops. I do not believe a judgment in favor of the plaintiff dead woman would be dischargeable in bankruptcy. See, e.g, Mike Nifong reports and cases. In some states the officials’ pensions would be exposed to claims for torts. Would love to see them retire to be greeters at my favorite Wal-Mart.
Donald R Laster Jr says
I happen to agree with you. I was just addressing one specific issue – the criminal prosecution issue.
Frank Anderson says
Considering our many exchanges and your other posts I doubt their are any serious disagreements between us, and precious few others at all.
Ian Lovestock says
Agreed!
WPM says
Sarah
You are right in the Islamic mind that poor woman who was shoot by that cowardly Islamic coward is only another Kaffir while P.O. Noor was one of the best of people an Islamic. The Islamics stick to there cult tribe no matter how cowardly their members behave ,the members of the Islamic cult tribe have no shame for any violent actions by members of the tribe on outsiders . All the world over this is the common reactions for actions of violence and or just idiotic behavior Islamics will never take responsible for actions taken against Kaffir.
LaLa says
That’s because the Muslim are the victims all the time, no matter what heinous crime they commit against others. Absolute BS
quota raven says
‘He feels like he is being thrown under the bus and his colleagues are accusing him of not showing proper police conduct on Saturday night….”
Count me in. Three shots? Really?
‘He is aware that they normally come together at times like this and support each other with slogans like “Blue Lives Matter”.
So do civilian lives. This was a lone female, unarmed, in her pajamas for heaven’s sake.
Cheers!
quota raven
gravenimage says
He hoped that police were as they are in Muslim countries, where any savagery is protected. Too bad, Mohammedan.
Donald R Laster Jr says
The police normally come together because the person on the other side of the equation is usually a person with a criminal records or has actually done something in a hostile manner that led to what occurred. So far from everything read the behavior of this officer is very suspect. Especially shooting in front of the other officer in the car.
gravenimage says
Yes–this likely put his partner in danger, as well.
TheBuffster says
And if this officer has shown extreme nervousness and bad judgment in the past, the other officers may have seen this coming and may have been convinced that he was an affirmative action appointment without the stuff to be a sound police officer. In that case, sure, they won’t support him.
The tragedy is that Noor may have been lead down the garden path himself, not knowing that he wasn’t properly qualified for the job, not temperamentally suited. The culprits, in general, would be those from the Somali Muslim community that might have put pressure on the city to hire a member of their own and, most importantly, those in government who had the say over whether to waive the rational standards for police officers in order to hire this man and fill their quota.
I think it’s unlikely that an officer who would react this way under the circumstances alleged in the stories I’ve read would not have shown previous signs of weakness and panic.
I will say that what I’ve read so far does not tell what the complaints against him have been about in two of the cases, and the one case I *have* read about does not show him as the main actor. He was not the one in charge and it’s not clear whether the officers were in fact doing the wrong thing or not. They took an elderly woman to a hospital against her will, believing her to be having a psychiatric problem. Noor held her shoulder and arm on one side and another officer – a woman – held her on the other side. When the old woman complained that she had suffered an injury to her shoulder recently and being held was hurting it, officer Noor relaxed his grip, but the female officer tightened her grip (!) and it so happened that *she* had hold of the sore shoulder.
The complaint is against all three of the officers for taking the woman to the hospital against her will. It’s not clear that they did the wrong thing. One of the woman’s relatives claims that she does have mental problems. I don’t know what to conclude about that case.
So, to me, saying that the officer has three complaints against him doesn’t tell me very much until I know what the complaints are and can verify that they’re justified. I know that some people – a fair number, particularly criminals – will make false complaints out of spite or to try to discredit an arresting officer.
I’d say that the fact that Noor did this horrific thing, very likely out of panic, shows a serious weakness that should not be present in a police officer and that such a weakness would most likely show itself in training or in his two years on the force, whether or not the specific formal complaints against him are justified or not.
At this point – and I’m always cautious drawing a conclusion from news reports, so don’t take this as a firm conclusion – I think he probably *was* chosen for his ethnic and/or religious background despite his unsuitability. If so, that means that this tragedy could have been prevented if the powers that be didn’t allow themselves to be pressured into hiring based on criteria irrelevant to doing the job.
I await further revelations.
utis says
He shot her because he was tense, and she came out of nowhere and spooked him. Why is this guy a cop? I bet every cop who lost a job or a pension in the last several years could use that excuse for his lethal mistake. But BLM and others, perhaps rightfully, won’t accept that. Why give this one a break?
Nona says
The partner on the drivers side, says he, the driver, was talking to the victim. THe driver,obviously, didn’t see anything wrong, there was nothing startling, then.
The islamic scum is LYING!
quota raven says
Nona – Source please? Who says the driver was talking to the woman? Where did you read or see this reported? Thanks in advance for an answer. Cheers! quota raven
Bezelel says
First Somali-Muslim police officer in Minnesota KILLS blonde yoga instructor in cold blood
By Pamela Geller – on July 17, 2017
Justine Damond was shot and killed while wearing her pajamas and speaking to another police officer after calling 911 to report a possible assault in an alley behind her home on July 15, reports The Minneapolis Star-Tribune.
Noor’s partner was allegedly “stunned” when Noor opened fire, KARE11 reported through a source.
Think Progress cites a KSTP TV reports that a “source with direct knowledge of the shooting said Monday that the woman was shot multiple times.”
quota raven, copied from Pamela’s site. I knew I had read that as well and had to check it myself. The “shot multiple times” is very substantial as well. The firing past his partner is friggin insane regardless of circumstances. Stunned I friggin bet having firearm shot in front of your face inside a car no less. Deaf for three days too.
gravenimage says
Thanks, Bezelel.
LaLa says
I read this as well first articles, will search to find where.
Guest says
Police are required to warn suspects before opening fire. How stupid does he think we are?
Transmaster says
The Minneapolis PD is totally politicised The libtard leadership of the city have totally bought into the BLM movement, Islamophobia, white on black violence myth, the racist cops, etc. Any competent policemen that can has retired, moved away, or has transferred into a different part of the city and away from the ghetto’s that have developed in this once great city. The hiring and training of the Police are under the eye of CAIR, and the ACLU. I have military friends who were involved in the training of Somali soldiers in Africa they told me how incredibly stupid they are. When they were training them on a rifle range these idiots shot themselves and others on the range, looking down the barrel and pulling the trigger stupid.
Aloha Akbar says
Thanks for the background info Transmaster.
Is there a way to know if the cameras were switched on & they are hiding the evidence?
Is there an independent body that investigates this?
I wonder if there would be less killings in general if there were no such PC garbage & it was more like the ’70’s style cop or Dirty Harry style policing & the bad guys were too afraid to step out of line.
I wonder if the mooslim brigades would be too afraid to demand & make all this fuss if we weren’t so damned PC.
I wonder if we would even know such words as taquiya, sharia, allah, islamophobia etc if the mooslims had not have gotten their Bravado due to this PC Bull****. We never knew these words existed 10 years ago.
I wonder…….Oh, I gotta stop dreaming of a perfect world. Sigh!
Endnote: Caps not used on certain words deliberately 🙂
Laura says
It’s the inbreeding…prominent in most muslim-dominated countries, unfortunately (Pakistan comes to mind, as well).
Steve Klein says
The Trump administration is bowing to sharia law here plain and simple.
‘Compromise weighed to remove Temple Mount metal detectors’
An American-proposed solution would have security forces use hand-held detectors at entrances to compound, but only for those deemed suspicious
http://www.timesofisrael.com/compromise-emerging-to-remove-temple-mount-metal-detectors/
Frank Anderson says
Mr. Klein, should I point out that when ANTONE, including lawyers, enters a US federal court building he must pass through a metal detector and put his carry’s (ex. brief case) through an x-ray machine? I wonder how statistics compare with the Temple Mount, where among other things Muslims throw “stuff” down on Jews at the Western Wall?
Frank Anderson says
TYPO: Antone should be ANYONE; it’s early and I’m just waking up. Sorry.
Joe Engineer says
Sudden Onset Jihadi Syndrome.
What else can it be?
gravenimage says
Muslim cop tells friends, not investigators, he was “startled” by unarmed woman he killed
…………………
Yeah–having the victim approach the police car–her having called the police, after all–would “startle” any cop. sarc/off
Robeaver says
Unarmed non muslum a threat always. A woman is worse. If she had a dog he would have used a car.
gravenimage says
Grimly spot on, Rob.
Japetto Donatelli says
‘But he would never have opened fire without genuinely feeling in danger.’
How he “genuinely felt” means little; the important question is, did the circumstances justify his shooting this unarmed lady? How one genuinely feels does not give one the right to commit crimes or act reckless.
The fact that Noor has lawyered up and has given no concrete reason why he pulled that trigger tells me they got nothing in his defense. Any good cop would want to tell his side of the story to vindicate his actions. If the best they got is he was “startled” then they got nothin’. It’s like a reckless trucker saying, “I killed that family cuz I felt genuinely sleepy,” and then expects sympathy for it.
No sympathy for reckless, irresponsible killers! Feel bad for the victim!
I’m no cop, but I do think part of their training includes feeling “startled.” It’s precisely those situations where cops matter most, startling and dangerous situations are supposed to be their specialty. So, like the sleepy trucker that kills, I’m not too sympathetic for a cop whose only defense is he was “startled.”
If I can speculate, I think this was a Trojan horse muslim like the Fort Hood shooter. He pretends to be a good American, but his heart and mind is for muhammad. Then pow! one day it all comes out. I could be wrong with this. But I just got a “feeling,” a genuine feeling about muslims and jihad. And it makes me feel soooooo “startled” that I can’t help but think the worst. See how easy that is?
Paul Reveres Ghost says
HE was just killing a kaffir that was ratting out a somali musselman that commited the rape, funny how the rapist got away and the witness ended up dead.
Robeaver says
So move. I shoot. She could have been going for knife or gun or RPG or a panty garrot for all I knew. Kahfir look all alike anyway. She move; therefore I shoot.
Richard says
It’s lethal for a western female to startle a Muslim man in your pyjamas. Very un-Islamic.
The punishment for those who create “mischief in the land” according to the Quran is execution, or crucifixion, or the cutting off of hands and feet from opposite sides. 5:33
This man went for the first option.
Robeaver says
But he had lumber, nails, a hammer and a bone saw in the trunk, just in case, you see?
Tom says
No way should a police officer fire his service weapon unless he is absolutely sure that there is an imminent threat of death or grevious bodily harm to himself or others.
He couldn’t even tell if the figure was male or female or if there was any threat, never mind an imminent one. People who need the police walk or run up to the PC all the time when it arrives on scene. Cops get used to that and shouldn’t react by drawing their firearm.
Especially firing a firearm in a vehicle and across another person is a definite no.
The vehicle camera at least should be on and their approach obviously wasn’t very stealthy if the woman knew they were there.
This stinks too much and something is most definately wrong here.
Kay says
How could he not tell if she was female since reportedly she was speaking to his partner?
gravenimage says
The only good thing here is that it does indeed loo,k as though the Minneapolis Police Department is seriously investigating this.
David M says
The Australian Prime Minister is insisting on it.
gravenimage says
Good for Australia for demanding answers, as well.
StacyGirl says
I’m not sure. It seems to me that they are more likely coming up with a story. Noor is not cooperating. 3 days? There is an eyewitness who is hopefully not being pressured by the Minneapolis powers that be. Do some research on the mayor and police chief-Noor is an indictment of all they stand for. They gave us Noor.
Bill says
I am with you on this one. Preserving the leftist narrative is the only thing that matters. The Minneapolis Mayor and Police Chief (along with prominent like-minded politicians such Sen. AL Franken and Rep. Keith Ellison) are only interested in the politics of this tragic shooting. This is going to be completely whitewashed. Sure, there will be the pretense of an investigation but the truth will not even be sought. Even the Aussie Prime Minister will back off if it looks like the taint of “Islamophobia” might cast a shadow over him.
This is going to be an exercise in finding facts that support the narrative.
The only possibility of some truth getting out will be if the victim’s estate sues Noor and the City for wrongful death in a civil action.
Jason says
Where are the riots?
Where are the street marches demanding justice?
Where are the “hands up, don’t shoot” crowd?
Heck, where are the feminists?
On another note, the cop is already playing the victim card, and I wonder how long before CAIR starts accusing anybody and everybody of islamophobia.
Kilfincelt says
CAIR might even accuse the victim of being islamophobic because she approached the driver’s side of the car.
Apparently, inbreeding is quite common among Somalis. Noor might be the offspring of such first cousin unions which has resulted in him not being quite normal either physically and/or mentally. Unfortunately, the MPD in their haste to get a Muslim on the police force may have overlooked some of his physical or mental defects which ultimately led to this poor woman’s death. Or maybe Noor was just expressing his hatred for an infidel who dared to approach the police car not properly covered?
Flavius Claudius Iulianus says
https://www.rt.com/usa/396868-police-officer-planting-drugs/
Berengaria says
Looks as if the PC MINNEAPOLIS, DEM POLITICIANS gave a Gun with a BULLET to an untrained Somali, who then, was “STARTLED” & Murdered an Innocent Person.
Fake, Fraudulent Media is SO QUIET on this, that Australia, Home of the Murdered Victim, is demanding an explanation!
When an entire American City submits to Islam, then, the entire City agrees to accept Murder as A PART OF Islamic CULTURE.
No More, Enough of the Islamic Culture of Death. Please load up the same Military Planes that brought Somalis here & return them. They brought nothing but Death to Our Country!
But First, the Murdered Woman’s Family should sue & Bankrupt the City of Minneapolis!
somehistory says
He won’t talk with the investigators because he knows they can cause him to tell the truth, even if it’s just by hearing several inconsistent lies.
So, he tells all his moslum friends and the lies come out without someone there to question the inconsistencies.
For one: “hitting his victim once in the abdomen.” If he fired “once” why was she hit more than once by his bullets?
Two: It was reported that the investigators are searching for a “white male, 18-25 yrs.” who was riding by on his bike and stopped to watch the CPR by the two cops If there was enough light to see the guy and tell his age range, why was it so dark the moslum shooter couldn’t see that the woman posed no threat?
He said they saw her “waiting”…”waiting, panicking figure” Of course, that jives with his statement to friends of “genuinely feeling in danger”…not for a moment.
She was “waiting” for the help to arrive to stop the rape in the alley. Waiting is not threatening.
He says he feels that the other officers have ‘thrown him under the bus,” He obviously doesn’t understand this phrase. It doesn’t apply to him in that he is not an innocent guy taking the heat for what others told him to do or that others did.
His friends are subject to being interviewed by the investigators and what he told them can….and will…be used against him. He is a murderer.
Donald R Laster Jr says
As an Islamic nothing he does to a non-Islamic is wrong. That is what Islam teaches. So in his mind he did nothing wrong. This is why Islamics should never be allowed in a non-Islamic country. And he is allowed to lie to the non-Islamic. There is a lot of information missing and he is clearly hiding something.
abad says
This is what happens when you lower the bar for wanna-be policemen/women.
Noor had NO business becoming an officer whatsoever, and now he is playing the victim card as all good Moslems do “she startled me” BS. If he is that jittery he should be allowed anywhere near guns. Period. End of the story.
DJM says
From the article: “He feels like he is being thrown under the bus … His feeling is ‘I am an immigrant, a Muslim and not white”
He’s already playing racism/Islamopboia card. Next, we’ll heard how he was mistreated by colleagues and higher ranking officers.
lebel says
Its true, that is exactly what is happening. He is no longer a pelice officer he is just an evil Muslim.
gravenimage says
More sneering from lebel. How *dare* we question the actions of a Muslim? Bad, bad dhimmis.
Eric says
All persons who are prone to panic should be screened out of police departments across the USA. Such persons should not be allowed in police departments at all.
Eric
StacyGirl says
All persons who subscribe to supremacist, misogynistic, and violent cults should not be elevated to positions of armed authority.
Ian Lovestock says
there is psychological testing available for that, however they are very expensive and usually outside the range of a typical police agency’s budget.
Richard says
Let’s look at the facts:
1. The killer cop was a black, Somali immigrant, Muslim – so obviously not a racist and there is no racism involved by definition.
2. The victim was a white, unarmed, yoga teacher so at the bottom of the ladder of social hierarchy of the western world at the moment. (At the very top of the ladder would be a quarter African, quarter Asian, quarter Hispanic and quarter Cherokee, devout Muslim, handicapped, gay, transgender man – and yes I know they have not found such a man as yet, because if they did, he could declare himself emperor of the world and abolish democracy, it would be like being ruled by God).
Being at the bottom of the social ladder of group/racial hierarchy, she is obviously not a victim and the Somali Muslim, much higher on the ladder, has obviously got a very justifiable reason why he reached across from the passenger seat, across his partner’s body and pumped bullets into the pyjama clad woman who had rushed out for help and was talking to his partner. (Such an event would be startling to any Somali Muslim.)
3. To insinuate anything different would be to violate the Somali Muslim’s human rights, for which he would be justified in suing the government for 10.5 million dollars.
Dapto says
This prick needs to go to the Chair if he doesnt at least go for murder ill be requesting a boycott on all Minneapolis goods services to and from Australia, the reason ill do this is because America only understands one things and that is money so if a few million isnt traded you can blame Minneapolis’s Mayor for this.
Dapto says
100mil compensation to the family sounds about right.
Ian Lovestock says
the element for Murder are simply not there, this is why I believe (hope) that he will be indicted for Manslaughter and fired…the one silver lining is he will never be a police officer again.
Think of England says
“‘But in this situation he has realized he is probably alone with his legal team and Somali police colleagues.”
Somali police colleagues? That is the scariest part of this article. I am sorry for her, her finance, her family and for Minneapolis. How many more incompetent “Somali police colleagues” are there?
Brendan Cleary says
The question is, Why are they recruited in the first place?
quota raven says
Brendan – The answer to your question is dead easy: to enhance diversity and multi-culturalism, employing aggressive political correctness. In short, FOLLY. Cheers! quota raven
Cunamarra says
You respond to a possible rape in progress and then shoot a panic stricken woman as she runs frantically toward you? Who else would you expect to approach you as a police officer responding to a rape situation?
You respond to a possible home intruder situation and then shoot a female as she approaches you?
I find it hard to believe that at night time a cell phone would be mistaken for a weapon. Few cell phones emit zero light when in use. The light a cell phone emits cannot be mistaken for the blinding light of a weapon light mounted to a firearm.
I certainly think one must be careful about judging someone for mistakes when you cannot know all the circumstances involved but when a policeman shoots the person who called them for help it is difficult to not see it as a case of a man in the wrong field of work.
Frank Anderson says
Cunamarra, remember the recent story on JW where the rape victim was sentenced to punishment for illegal sex? Proving a female’s rape case against a male requires 4 male witnesses to testify against the accused, does it not? Women are not protected under Islam, are they?
Brainking Plus Indonesia says
i trust islam is love and peace religion
gravenimage says
Yes–members of the “love and peace religion” often slaughter Infidels.
You can certainly trust Muslims to do this.
Ian Lovestock says
This soon to be an “ex” police officer should be fired, then indicted for homicide (likely Manslaughter). In my 40 years of law enforcement experience including being a police trainer, police academy manager and an adjunct professor teaching criminal justice degree students, I’ve never seen such an egregious act committed by a public servant. The absolute only time I could see this type of shooting justified is when an actor is approaching the police vehicle and shooting at the officers. If Noor is retained by this police agency – none of us are safe, I am gratified that most police officers in Minneapolis are opposed to the manner in which Noor handled this and have not “circled the wagons.”
Ian Lovestock says
This soon to be an “ex” police officer should be fired, then indicted for homicide (likely Manslaughter). In my 40 years of law enforcement experience including being a police trainer, police academy manager and an adjunct professor teaching criminal justice degree students, I’ve never seen such an egregious act committed by a public servant. The absolute only time I could see this type of shooting justified is when an actor is approaching the police vehicle and shooting at the officers. If Noor is retained by this police agency – none of us are safe, I am gratified that most police officers in Minneapolis are opposed to the manner in which Noor handled this and have not “circled the wagons.”
Frank Anderson says
Ian, the use of a firearm generally implies premeditation and malice. Manslaughter is too light, because it generally reflect gross negligence or carelessness (without premeditation and malice). This man should face the full force of the law, including state murder and federal civil rights violation charges. He not only violated her civil rights, he also displayed corruption in public office. Both federal and state charges are prosecutable under “dual sovereignty. The people who hired and kept him on the force should also be fair game for “aiding, abetting, counseling and acting in furtherance” of his federal crimes. 18 U.S.C. Section 2.
That’s my opinion.
Ian Lovestock says
I have to disagree with you, likely because we are looking at the same issue from different perspectives. I do not believe the use of a firearm in this case implies malice. Premeditation=yes, but because it is to be used as a defensive tool only. The elements for Murder are not in anything I read – without the direct elements one cannot be tried for any crime. I appreciate you opinion, but it is likely not going to happen. Federal involvement would possibly occur if there was a direct violation (or even suspected) of Title 18, USC 1983 Sec 242 or 243…but that is tough to prove by any standard. A civil law suit by her family/fiancé is more appropriate. But, the bottom line is neither of us are well informed as to the events of the case. It will be interesting to see the results of the investigation. I sincerely hope the BCA mentioned is actually a State agency rather than a local agency – I would have greater trust in the outcomes if an outside agency investigates this.
Frank Anderson says
Ian. please consult a lawyer. I have been involved in murder and self-defense cases. You are in error. I have passed 2 bar examinations on the first try each, sat on a murder jury hearing the instructions before deliberating, and attended a number of seminars on criminal law subjects, including this issue. I am now retired, but still have licenses on retired status in 2 states dating back to 1980 and 1981. A murder charge is perfectly appropriate, with “lesser included offenses” on the facts so far discussed in this case. Only a PC prosecutor would fail to charge murder in order to gain points with the liberals that seem to be running Minneapolis. (Other more colorful descriptions of the prosecutor may become appropriate).
The deprivation of civil rights under color of law should lead to some interesting analysis where the victim died. I would start by reading 18 United States Code Section 1512 and any annotations that can be found. The starting argument is that the dead woman is a victim and witness to a federal crime (deprivation of civil rights) and was murdered. The potential sentence should be just as satisfying as a state murder charge.
Consider that when the officer is charged, the potential claim against the city and all in the line of command skyrockets. The conflict of interest of the state/city prosecutor is obvious…
Ian Lovestock says
Frank, the prosecutor would have to get it “right.” I am sure you’ve kept up current events…how many cases has the prosecution lost due to prosecutorial overreach? Admittedly, I used Texas as a reference and I am unclear on elements of a crime as they apply to Minnesota, but I am reasonably sure they are close to Texas’ statutes in the Code of Criminal Procedure. Nonetheless, no prosecutor will go for Murder in this case – as far as the Title 18 is concerned, the DoJ’s best bet (if they intervene) will be § 242 & 243. You did raise an interesting point which gives my position weight…the PC venue. Personally, I would like to see him indicted and imprisoned and sharing a cell with 6 Islamophobes named Bubba.
Frank Anderson says
We have a case locally where an 86 year old man was “home invaded” by 3 people, stabbed repeatedly with a screwdriver, and died from his wounds about 2 weeks later. They were charged with “attempted murder”. They were caught in the act by local police with a television taken from the house, and neighbor witnesses. In my opinion this was prosecutorial “under-reach”. We certainly share similar goals for the shooter. But just making him pay is by far not enough. The PC crowd that enabled him need to suffer mightily to teach them a very painful and expensive lesson. Please review my comments elsewhere in this article, particularly concerning the conflict of interest with the state/city prosecutor. I believe you may find them interesting.
Laws and cases certainly vary from state to state. I assure you having taken 2 bar examinations which included what is called the “multi-state” section, that using a firearm gives rise to a rebuttable presumption of pre-planning, intent and malice. That “presumption” can be rebutted by the defense if the jury will buy the argument. But failing to charge murder is a dereliction of prosecutorial duty. Who knows, in Minneapolis the correct charge may be against the dead victim for frightening the shooter? How many countries can we think of where that would be likely? (A rape victim is sentenced for having unlawful sex? NO prosecution of the rapists?) DISGUSTING!
Ian Lovestock says
I was doing some research for a class I am developing on de-escalation techniques and did find a case in Carbondale PA where a part-time officer (off duty) shot a man he had initially approached and then had to chase two blocks on foot. The officer then shot the suspect 6 times (and according a witness the man had his hands up and was saying “woah, woah…” In that case the officer was charged with first and third degree murder. The charge was upheld by the judge at the probable cause hearing.
I agree officer Noor SHOULD be charged with Murder, but I honestly do not believe that is going to happen. There’s been a 20% spike in police killings so far this year – and despite the work of the media, I think police officers still have the sympathy of a large number of citizens. Added to that, the Somali community and the Muslim (non-Somali) community will support him and also that CAIR will likely fund him so that he will have a very high-profile defense attorney represent him. I just think the odds are in favor for him to “skate” the most serious charges (sadly).
Frank Anderson says
Remember in Ferguson Missouri, 6 foot 6 inch, 305 pound, loaded on drugs Michael Brown was supposed to be approaching, according to witnesses, Officer Darren Wilson, app. 6 feet, 200 pounds with BONES broken in his eye socket by Brown’s reaching for Wilson’s firearm, saying “Hands up, Don’t shoot!” The witness was lying. And Wilson was supposed to have shot Brown in the back, when every shot that hit Brown, 7 out of 15, entered in the front of his body. Body cameras work miracles for honest cops. Why were these cameras, all 3 of them turned off?
gravenimage says
Thank you, Ian. Good to hear from someone with the police.
Kevin Dunn says
It would do no harm for him to spend the rest of his life in Jail, preferably fed on pig offal.
Elliott says
http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/world/neighbour-of-justine-damonds-killer-gives-shocking-new-insight-into-his-behaviour/news-story/34eb2c08676af98afc376d83aaff31dd
““He is extremely nervous … he is a little jumpy … he doesn’t really respect women, the least thing you say to him can set him off,” Mr Miller said.
“When they say a policeman shot an Australian lady I thought uh, oh but then when they said who it was I was like, ‘OK.’
This quote is from an African American neighbor of his parents who knows Noor. The lawsuit filed by a citizen indicates disrespect for women also and that he doesn’t like to be “bothered” by people or kids.
gravenimage says
Thanks for the additional information.
John A. Marre says
It has already dropped out of the mainstream news. Will resurface if it’s suddenly discovered that the shooter is actually a Christian and the murdered woman was actually Black.
Frank Anderson says
John, a good and righteous reason for this to drop out of the news is the potential for poisoning a jury.
gravenimage says
Actually, the press is not to be silenced. More likely, there just aren’t a lot of new developments yet.
Frank Anderson says
GI, you are certainly just as likely correct, and probably more so than I. The benefit of less press coverage is that it reduces the chances of jury poisoning. There is an episode in the series Crime Story, where a defendant arranged to deliver newspapers with Headlines about the case to a sequestered jury. Certainly a television story and not real. But it may be a good demonstration of the concept. The old Code of Professional Responsibility and new Rules of Professional Conduct address pre-trial publicity, both for prosecutors and defense attorneys and limits what can and should be said that may taint potential jurors. This Minneapolis case could wind up being tried in New York for lack of a qualified jury! You never know. The press and non-lawyers in the US do not have the rigid rules I believe apply elsewhere (UK?) prohibiting essentially all pre-trial publicity.
Ian Lovestock says
Hopefully in a more rural area of Minnesota where the ‘taint’ of alleged Islamophobia and bias reporting will not limit the jury from reaching a fair verdict in the horrible matter.
Frank Anderson says
Ian, “From your mouth to God’s ear!”
Donald R Laster Jr says
Let consider something. If he was “White” everyone would be crucifying this officer for his actions. And with what amount to three complaints against him in two or three years as a rookie on the police force it appears he should never have been on the police force. Then add in the that the 911 call was about a potential rape in progress one should be expecting a possible victim fleeing the area. This sounds more like the typical Islamic routine of the “victim being responsible for what is done to them”. If he can be spooked that easily he does not belong on any police force.
Richard Courtemanche says
Obviously political correctness isn’t suited for every profession. Startled by a woman… good grief! Murder that is. Serve time and back as a WalMart greeter.
patriotliz says
WHITE LIVES MATTER!
INFIDEL LIVES MATTER!
WOMEN’S LIVES MATTER!
Anyone feel like protesting like BLM and tear the city apart?
I bet because he’s BLACK AND A MUSLIM he’ll get off the hook w/ that flimsy excuse (don’t want to piss off blacks or Muslims, now do we?)
davej says
The woman is dead as a direct result of the Minneapolis Police Dept’s virtue seeking hiring of an obviously unqualified person to be a Police Officer. Which is also reverse discrimination as other candidates, likely far more suitable, were not hired as a result.
No person who holds greater allegiance to Allah and Sharia law should ever be hired to enforce American laws and protect those who they regard as infidels.
Donald R Laster Jr says
No Islamic should be allowed to be a police officer or in positions of authority in the US or any other non-Islamic country. They are citizens of a foreign State at war with all non-Islamic States. Their fealty is to Hubal (Allah means “the God”) chief god of the Arab pantheon of gods and the State of Islam created by Mohammad. And then add in the other factors that seem to be present and this appears to be a classic case of premeditated murder.
Islam is not a religion. It is a theocracy – a government with its laws given by its god, in this case Hubal through its prophet Mohammad.
dave sharp says
Needs to be in jail. Killed in cold blood.
Guest says
Police are trained to give warnings before shooting. Why didn’t he say, “hands where I can see them,” or “get on the ground.” She was unarmed and would have done as he said, but no. That littl, “I was startled excuse,” is a lie.
UNCLE VLADDI says
BS!
WHY WAS HIS GUN ALREADY OUT AND POINTED ACROSS HIS PARTNER?!