This is how you lose to Islamic terror. My latest in PJ Media:
By nine votes, 217 to 208, the House of Representatives on Friday voted down a proposal to identify “Islamic religious doctrines, concepts or schools of thought” that jihad terrorists use.
Twenty Republicans joined the solid Democratic bloc to vote down this measure, which Muslim Representative Keith Ellison (D-MN) termed “wrongheaded” and fought hard to defeat. It’s hard to believe that there would be 217 votes against understanding the ideology that motivates and incites jihad violence, but that testifies to the power of the “Islamophobia” victimhood lobby today.
The measure would have directed the Defense Department to carry out:
… strategic assessments of the use of violent or unorthodox Islamic religious doctrine to support extremist or terrorist messaging and justification.
There is nothing “unorthodox” about jihad violence in Islamic law and doctrine. Yet even though this specification that the Islamic doctrines to be studied were “unorthodox” allowed for support from those who hold that jihad terror is a twisting and hijacking of the religion of peace, that wasn’t good enough. According to Politico:
[The proposal received] heavy criticism from Muslim lawmakers serving in Congress, Muslim interest groups and the American Civil Liberties Union, who say the proposal would unfairly target Muslims.
Ellison added:
If you have an amendment that says we’re going to study one religion and only one, we’re going to look at their leaders and put them on a list — only them — and you are going to talk about what’s orthodox practice and what’s unorthodox, then you are putting extra scrutiny on that religion.
Yes, you are.
And there is a reason for that: 30,000 jihad attacks committed in the name of Islam and in accord with its teachings since September 11, 2001.
No one religion has anything approaching that kind of record of death and destruction. So why shouldn’t we put extra scrutiny on that religion?
The Muslim Brotherhood-linked Ellison also claimed that the measure was “abridging the free exercise of that religion.”
Yes, again — insofar as the free exercise of that religion involves bombs, AK-47s, machetes, and the like. The free exercise of any religion is not a license to break existing laws. The free exercise of religion is not a free pass to commit treason or subversion or sedition. The Constitutional guarantee of the free exercise of a religion does not allow the adherents of that religion to commit violence in its name and in accord with its teachings. When they crafted the First Amendment, the Founding Fathers did not envision a religion that mandated warfare against and the subjugation of unbelievers; nor did they intend to lace the Constitution or Bill of Rights with time bombs that would ultimately destroy the republic they were trying to create.
Nor does studying the motivating ideology of jihad terrorists restrict the practice of Islam by peaceful Muslims in any way.
If these peaceful Muslims are as appalled by jihad terrorism as Islamic groups in the U.S. profess to be, why wouldn’t they welcome an attempt to address this alleged misuse of their religion, and support this proposal? The sponsor of the measure, Rep. Trent Franks (R-AZ), noted correctly:
Right now, there is a certain spectrum within the Islamist world that is at the root of the ideological impulse for terrorism. … Ironically, Muslims are the prime targets of these groups. To suggest that this is anti-Muslim is a fallacy, and I think that anyone who really understands it knows that. … We’ve worked very hard to protect the religious freedom for everybody. But it is important that we empower America to identify those heroic Muslims within the world that will help us begin to delegitimize this ideology of global jihad.
His appeal was to no avail. Ellison would not number himself among the “heroic Muslims” who would “help us begin to delegitimize this ideology of global jihad.” He said of Franks and his measure:
This is the wrong way to do what he’s trying to do….
Read the rest here.
Comments
Jaladhi says
These Republicans voting against the bill are traitors – if not that they certainly are stupid!!
Jaladhi says
Maybe those voting against it should be sent a compilation of all those vile “verses” of Quran to tell them how wrong they are!!
PATRICIA FRANCES KOENIG says
Islam does not deserve to be called a “religion.” It is really an anti-religion…as it violently opposes every other religion. The USA government did not tolerate the polygamy of John Smith’s Mormons. And the USA government should NOT allow Islam…at all…zero.
Louis Schwartz says
Jaladhi and Ms. Koenig: Great Idea on the “vile verses” and True and true on No Islam in the U.S.
john spielman says
maybe they will change their collective mind when islamaniacs strike America again! It is inevitable that they will because islam is at war with the US and the rest of world – its just our leaders have their heads so up their collective A**es that they cannot see anything!
Sog says
Oh, they see it. They would lose their jobs without the oil money. The power of the constituent needs to exceed the power of the Purse
blitz2b says
I’m so mad these effin republican traitors, back stabbing imbeciles, what the hell are they thinking about when casting their votes…. I can say two of those idiots are McCain and Lindsay Graham for sure…
Errrr…
Sog says
They’ve got no choice. The money follows the vote. The vote follows the money.
gravenimage says
Many of these fools are in denial about the threat of Islam, just like Leftists. The idea that they are all selling out for oil money is just silly.
Lesley Ward says
Have to confess as an Australian, I am amazed at the apathy and disgusting behaviour of your Republicans. They have the opportunity to back Trump and to utilise their absolute control of your parliamentary systems, BUT they are inept, traitorous and should all be dismissed. BUT think you are like Australia, all your politicians are simply “career politicians”, who do not really give a damn for America or its people. Both Democrats (who appear truly stupid or downright Marxist) and the Republicans are just weak, stupid lazy dickheads. I feel for Trump as he really is pushing uphill trying to do the right thing for the people of America against this tsunami of ineptitude and evil.
Louis Schwartz says
Lesley Ward: As an American, I can safely and positively say, your analysis of American Politics is amazingly accurate, spot on and perfect!!!
Gae says
These RINOS and all Democrats must be booted out for endangering American lives by their willful ignorance and defense of Nazi-like ideology of Islam which masquerades as religion,. More Muslims more terrorism. Shut down all mosques and deport followers of Mohamed who was a pedophile, polygamist, rapist, misogynist, looter, salver and mass murderer.
Keys says
“He [Islam-First Representative from Minnesota, Keith Ellison] said of Franks and his measure:
This is the wrong way to do what he’s trying to do….”
So what is your plan, Keith Akbar ? Death to America by a thousand cuts ?
Keys says
Or is your plan like Obama’s: “To fundamentally change America ?” That sounds better than “Death to America”.
Did you get sworn into office with your hand on the Koran, the eternally perfect words by and from the Greatest of all Deceivers, Allah, your boss ?
davej says
According to Ellison and others like him there is no right way to study this problem. They would sooner have any inquiry banned as “Islamophobic”. The big lie of the “Religion of Peace” must continue to be foisted on the American people even as the jihad attacks continue.
Richard W Compton says
Please post the names of those who voted down this bill? ASAP!
Keys says
Apparently there were 27 Republicans who voted against it not 20. Here is a link with their names from an article by the respected Daniel Greenfield.
https://www.frontpagemag.com/point/267287/these-are-27-republicans-who-voted-against-daniel-greenfield
Steve Klein says
Thanks for this. Greenfield: Florida was heavily represented.
No R Ros-Lehtinen, Ileana FL 27th
This one is shocking!
gravenimage says
Thanks for the link, Keys.
mousey says
it is very interesting to read what the amendment 13 to H.R. 2810: National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2018 actually says, gravenimage. And to read the statement by Franks of arizona. The opposition was headed up by ruben gallego (changed his name when running for office…it was marinelarena). Also giving statements of opposition: ellison, pramila jayapal of washington state, and jamie raskin of maryland. The question was taken and the ayes apparently won. Gallego then demanded a recorded vote. According to one of their rules, the vote was postponed. Hmmmm, what happened? Read it here https://www.congress.gov/congressional-record/2017/07/13/house-section/article/H5801-3 (it’s over half way down the page, to find it can use “amendment no. 13”)
Steve Klein says
Democrats voting NO, I can understand but Republicans?
This is why I say, I don’t worry so much about the left (it is largely irredeemable), what I worry about is “my side.”
Richard says
Infiltration.
Steve Klein says
Ken (over at a pro-Israel Facebook page I belong to) wrote under this piece: ‘What is there to study? Waste of money and time! Congress has much more important things to do. Fix healthcare and our infrastructure to start!’
Me: Tell me you are joking.
Ken: Steve, what do you need to know about Islam that has not been uncovered by their violent history and reading the Quran?
Me: Did you listen to George W. Bush in the aftermath of the 9/11/2001 attacks? In case you’ve forgotten let me give you a little reminder:
Bush: ‘….The terrorists practice a fringe form of Islamic extremism that has been rejected by Muslim scholars and the vast majority of Muslim clerics; a fringe movement that perverts the peaceful teachings of Islam….
I also want to speak tonight directly to Muslims throughout the world. We respect your faith. It’s practiced freely by many millions of Americans and by millions more in countries that America counts as friends. Its teachings are good and peaceful, and those who commit evil in the name of Allah blaspheme the name of Allah.
(APPLAUSE)
The terrorists are traitors to their own faith, trying, in effect, to hijack Islam itself.
The enemy of America is not our many Muslim friends. It is not our many Arab friends. Our enemy is a radical network of terrorists and every government that supports them.
(APPLAUSE)
http://www.washingtonpost.com/…/bushaddress_092001.html
Steve Klein says
This is THE President of the United States for heaven sake!
steve brown says
President Trump MUST over ride this and sent the US Military to do the job.
mortimer says
Major Stephen Coughlin did such studies for military intelligence and was FIRED by Obama because they did not want to understand the JIHAD DOCTRINE.
Steve Klein says
Could be wrong, I believe Stephen Coughlin, who did in-depth studies for military intelligence, was FIRED by George W. Bush! Again I could be wrong but I do not think so.
Steve Klein says
Barack Obama’s first inauguration: Tuesday, January 20, 2009.
By – The Washington Times – Friday, January 4, 2008
Coughlin sacked
Stephen Coughlin, the Pentagon specialist on Islamic law and Islamist extremism, has been fired from his position on the military’s Joint Staff. The action followed a report in this space last week revealing opposition to his work for the military by pro-Muslim officials within the office of Deputy Defense Secretary Gordon England.
Mr. Coughlin was notified this week that his contract with the Joint Staff will end in March, effectively halting the career of one of the U.S. government’s most important figures in analyzing the nature of extremism and ultimately preparing to wage ideological war against it.
He had run afoul of a key aide to Mr. England, Hasham Islam, who confronted Mr. Coughlin during a meeting several weeks ago when Mr. Islam sought to have Mr. Coughlin soften his views on Islamist extremism.
Mr. Coughlin was accused directly by Mr. Islam of being a Christian zealot or extremist “with a pen,” according to defense officials. Mr. Coughlin appears to have become one of the first casualties in the war of ideas with Islamism.
Steve Klein says
This Trump: “Palestinians are ready to reach for peace,” Trump proclaimed, after a morning meeting in Bethlehem with (arch-terrorist / Holocaust denier) Mahmoud Abbas, president of the Palestinian Authority. “I know you heard it before. I’m telling you, that’s what I do, they are ready to reach for peace.”
This President Trump?
gravenimage says
I’m afraid he has the same blind spots that many others in the West have.
mortimer says
Such a study of CALLS FOR VIOLENCE in Islamic texts was done by Tina Magaard, PhD in Denmark.
Danish researcher Tina Magaard, Ph.D. concluded that Islam is the most warlike religion. After three years analyzing the original texts of ten different religions, Tina Magaard concluded that the Islamic texts stand out by encouraging terror and violence to a larger degree than other religions do. She stated that ‘Islamic texts encourage terror and fighting to a far larger degree than the original texts of other religions. The texts in Islam distinguish themselves from the texts of other religions by encouraging violence and aggression against people with other religious beliefs to a larger degree.’
“What is striking is not in itself that one can find murderous passages in the Islamic texts, as such passages can also be found in other religions. But it is striking how much space these passages take up in the Islamic texts, and how much they focus on an us-and-them logic in which infidels and apostates are characterized as dirty, rotten, criminal, hypocritical and dangerous. It is also striking how much these texts demand that the reader fight the infidels, both with words and with the sword. In many passages, Muhammad plays a central role as one who encourages the use of violence, whether it comes to stonings, beheadings, acts of war or execution of critics and poets.”
Identifying what wrong in the discussion of terrorists, Magaard said, “They (Islamic leaders) refuse to criticise the concrete passages that terrorists use to justify their actions.”
Congress has refused to criticize the Islamic source texts that TERRORISTS use to justify their actions.
WHOM IS THAT GOING TO HELP besides the TERRORISTS?
mortimer says
“The Legacy Of Jihad: Islamic Holy War And The Fate Of Non-muslims” by Andrew G. Bostom is a useful book for Congress in determining the sources of JIHAD.
This book reveals how, for well over a millennium and across three continents – Asia, Africa, and Europe – non-Muslims who were vanquished by jihad wars became forced tributaries (called dhimmi in Arabic) in lieu of being slain. Under the dhimmi religious caste system, non-Muslims were subjected to legal and financial oppression, as well as social isolation. Extensive primary and secondary source materials, many translated here for the first time into English, are presented, making clear that jihad conquests were brutal, imperialist advances, which spurred waves of Muslims to expropriate a vast expanse of lands and subdue millions of indigenous peoples. Finally, the book examines how jihad war, as a permanent and uniquely Islamic institution, ultimately regulates the relations of Muslims with non-Muslims to this day. Scholars, educators, and interested lay readers will find this collection an invaluable resource.
CoastalSue says
“The Truth About Mohammad” by Robert Spencer is the best book I have found on the subject. While well written and researched, it is still written at a level even a Congressman can understand.
Marty says
Hopefully, the 20 “republicans” will face serious primary challenges from actual patriots.
Barry says
I bet dollars-to-donuts what Adams’ (both father/ son) and Jefferson would have voted…..I sure hope the masses and their government representatives pull their collective head out of their collective ass sooner rather than later….
PRCS says
“Right now, there is a certain spectrum within the Islamist world that is at the root of the ideological impulse for terrorism”
IDIOT!
Does he have any idea what an Islamist is?
Islamist
adj
supporting or advocating Islamic fundamentalism
n
a supporter or advocate of Islamic fundamentalism
Did he get any direction from his staff about this?
And if they O.K.ed the term ISLAMIST, they should taken to task for that.
Matt says
I think an exercise in comparative religion would be helpful, and Islam would not come out of it well.
If performing a review of other religions as well as Islam is what it takes to get the votes, I think we should do it.
wm1 says
“And God gave them over to a reprobate/depraved mind.” (Which means they are incapable of making correct judgments between truth and error, right and the ability to exercise plain commonsense). (Romans 1: 18-32)
This should be clear and convincing evidence that America has not only ‘lost her way’ but she’s, also, ‘lost her mind.’
Who does this?
Who refuses the opportunity, and necessity, of examining the core ideological tenets and teachings which motivate their own enemy?
Only people who are incapable of exercising plain commonsense (which has been clearly demonstrated for decades).
We are a nation under the judgment and wrath of Almighty God (Yahweh not Allah) for reasons clearly delineated in that passage of Scripture. Read it carefully for your own enlightenment and edification.
Then turn to the Lord Jesus Christ, for salvation, before it’s too late!
wm1 says
As I’ve stated several times before, he needs our prayers daily as well as our financial support whenever possible. His service to humanity is incalculable. He is well aware of that fact. We should acknowledge it as well and not take it for granted.
mortimer says
In 1943, the American secret service (OSS) commissioned a World War II report by psychoanalyst Walter C. Langer which probed the psychology of Adolf Hitler. It proved to be extremely accurate in predicting Hitler’s behavior.
Such reports are needed to inform Americans what they should expect from Islam.
I believe there are many such studies about Islam already done, on the shelf, collecting dust. Congress just needs to dust them off and READ THEM.
Strong Aingel says
Why is such a thing being put to the vote of a very few? These Political Workers have no particular mandate to make such an arbitrary ruling; just ss an ordinary citizen has no particular mandate to expect it of them. The contents of so called religious doctrines are not the business of politicians. If the behaviour of adepts of those doctrines are coming to the attention of politicians it is because those adepts ard committing actions or engaging in activities subversive to collective Society, in which vase any decision on them should involve all Loyal Subjects, not merely a few bribed politicians. It is the case Islamic doctrines propagate islamic behaviour, which is as violent as its adherents state. Hybridising our our own constitution, i.e. those Common Law Articles of Faith begat us by our Ancestors, which our duty is to adhere to and defend, will not negate the threat nor will the threat abate.
common sense says
We have to approach this problem: outlaw Islam, bulldoze all mosques, intern Muslims for deportation and burn every quran. Destroy all Muslim advocacy groups and outlaw Islam in the west. Get the enemy out of our territory and govt, destroy their ability to wage war against us and destroy their spirit. Bomb Mecca, bomb their financial institutions and trade centers like they did to us on 911. Anyone that protects Muslims are traitors. Or we can wait for the full manifestation of shariah law the first dirty bomb to go off.
Our constitution is written so that no other law can supercede it. It’s ok to do all these things before they kill again and again. If you’re Muslim and want to visit that’s ok but we are watching your every move and declaring that your beliefs are repugnant and barbaric and are not welcome here.
Richard Koethe says
I spoke with Congressman Franks office and they told me the effort was not a bill but an amendment to another piece of legislation – therefore – no HR number exists. I am trying to find out the specific Republican Representatives who voted against it. Once found I am going to engage through a couple of organizations to see if there can be an effort to get them to switch.
DOES ANYONE KNOW WHO THEY WERE?
Thanks!
Keys says
Yes, RK. I posted this above this morning.
Apparently there were 27 Republicans who voted against it not 20. Here is a link with their names from an article by the respected Daniel Greenfield.
https://www.frontpagemag.com/point/267287/these-are-27-republicans-who-voted-against-daniel-greenfield
common sense says
My God we know enough already about these pathetic people and their slick attack design. Congress must deploy our last option and declare against Islamic doctrine. Too much time has passed the average idiot just accepts what Islam does.
Studies and words are a joke.
Muslims will not change by request or stop their rancid attacks on our nation. WE have to fight for our country.
common sense says
Declare “WAR” on Islam.
Wellington says
Yes, the twenty Republicans who voted against this are ignorant wussies just as all the Democrats have shown again they are enablers of the evil belief system which is Islam, BUT I am encouraged that 208 voted for this proposal even though, as Robert Spencer pointed out above, the use of the word “unorthodox” is both unfortunate and inaccurate. Nevertheless, I see the glass almost half full here and had a proposal like this been made shortly after 9/11 (and this would itself have been highly unlikely) there is no way it would have gotten even 25 votes.
Things are turning. In a favorable direction. People are learning about the gigantic menace which is Islam. Long way to go yet to be sure but there is no way assessments of Islam as we move into the future will become more positive. They will only continue to become more and more negative because Islam can’t help showing its true colors as time goes on. So, count me here as cautiously optimistic. I can understand how many are frustrated that by now Islam is not better assessed than it is, but as I have written before we are in a new Hundred Years War and it’s going to be many decades still before Islam is finally assigned to the trash heap of history. And yes, I acknowledge Islam might win this war but I don’t think so. I’d bet against Islam here, not with it. Besides, what’s the alternative? To give up? Hell no. Better dead than a submissive dhimmi. Fight this horrible religion (and its dhimmi supporters) to the end. Per New Hampshire’s motto, Live Free Or Die.
Troybeam says
Our elected officials are ignorant on Islam and need a crash course, we the people are more aware than they are and they are supposed to protect defend and uphold our Constitution, what a bunch of failures in that area.
gravenimage says
Robert Spencer in PJ Media: Willful Ignorance: House Rejects Rep. Franks’ Proposal to Study Islam
…………………….
Willful ignorance, indeed.
gravenimage says
Hear, hear!
James Stamulis says
Both isles in congress obviously do not represent we the people anymore but the globalists who are using Islam to invade the west. It is easy now to see why the GOP lead congress gave Obama everything he wanted in the budget 2 years in a row. TRAITORS!
Rocha Waha says
Over 31,000 Muslim Terrorist attacks since Sept.11 2001. And this idiot THINKS we need a study ?
All we need is jihadwatch.org read on National Television each day !
Mark A says
One of the first rules of warfare is “Know your enemy.”
Congress is clearly going against that fundamental doctrine. But if the Chiefs of Staff were doing their job, they would conducting these studies independently of Congress,
That may have been career suicide under the Obama Administration but surely not under the Trump Administration.
Grace says
America has come to this? Our leaders! The Two Headed Hydra, combined leadership of the DNC, far left socialist, potty mouth Tom Perez/Keith Ellison, Jew hating, black lives matter sympathizer and Muslim by choice; a partnership made in hell. Are none of these geniuses aware of the silent caliphate that has been urged for a hundred years and preached from the lecterns of every Mosque in the world. While the left carries out the directives of the Saul Alinsky playbook, Rules for Radicals in hope of obliterating conservatives CAIR and it’s satellites are planing bigger conquests, world dominance, and the won’t have to fire a shot.. Even the evil George Soros and his globalist mob won’t be able to stand against them.
Dallas Holmes says
So he wants to pass a Bill that “Requires” Congressmen to study Islam? Seriously? No matter how much Liberals may wish it, You can’t force someone to read or study a religious doctrine, not in the U.S.A. That would be UN-constitutional. What the heck is wrong with these people?