He wouldn’t serve a customer after disagreeing with him about Islam. That was a bit rude, but then the customer who was refused service “reported him to the police for ‘hate speech’ and Mr Gardiner found himself before a court for the first time in his life.”
That is police state behavior, with people turning in others to the authorities for ideological deviance, perhaps hoping to curry favor by doing so. Piers Palmer will soon be living in the Britain he has chosen and that he wants, and by then he may regret the course of action he has taken, but at that point it will be far too late.
The freedom of speech is dead in Britain. It is illegal to hold critical views of Islam or Muslims. If Jim Gardiner had criticized Christianity and Christians, and refused service to a Christian, he might have been justly criticized for doing so, but he never would have been fined for “hate speech.”
Britain is finished.
“Anti-Islamic burger van owner, from Stanley, County Durham, taken to court for refusing to sell sausage sandwich to customer who didn’t share his views,” by Tony Kearney, Northern Echo, July 12, 2017:
A BURGER van owner has been prosecuted for refusing to serve a sausage sandwich to a customer who argued against his anti-Islamic views.
Retired merchant seaman Jim Gardiner, 73, began chatting to landscape gardener Piers Palmer, 46, at the Ship’s Galley burger van he runs near the M6….
When Mr Gardiner, originally from Craghead, near Stanley, in County Durham produced some laminated anti-Islamic literature from beneath his sauce bottles, Mr Palmer refused to read it.
At that point the angry burger vendor refused to make his sausage sandwich and bluntly told his customer to “do one.”
A furious Mr Palmer reported him to the police for “hate speech” and Mr Gardiner found himself before a court for the first time in his life….
Mr Palmer told the court: “He said it was the Muslims and Pakistanis in Manchester and London who were the real problem, and not people like us.
“I was completely gobsmacked because I’d only asked for a sausage sandwich. I didn’t know how we’d got on to Muslims and Pakistanis.”
He said Gardiner spoke about Muslim “no-go” zones in Manchester and he had challenged this, saying it was an urban myth.
“I didn’t want to talk about it – I just wanted to eat my lunch,” said Mr Palmer.
He described how the pensioner lifted some sauce bottles and handed him some laminated sheets of paper, saying: “Read this if you want to educate yourself.”
When Mr Palmer refused, Gardiner told him: “Then you’re in the wrong place if you want food from me. Do one!”
The court heard that in his police interview, Gardiner told officers:” Muslims are taking over and that they hate Christians.”
Asked what he would do if a Muslim came to his burger van, he replied: “I’d give them a bacon butty and laugh.”
Asked if he had strong views about Muslims, he replied: “I have strong views about Islam.”
Gardiner was fined £127 and ordered to pay costs and compensation of £700.
Bill says
Here it comes. Jihadis routinely commit violence in the UK, but the only people actually being sped on, rounded up and punished are law abiding citizens who say things.
Bob says
Both the police and our politicos’re terrified of upsetting the mudslims – the UK is becoming a full-blown dhimmi state!
old white guy says
I have said it more than once…………. we are going to have to kill our own to remain free. what the he ll is wrong with people, have they developed a collective insanity?
John Forbes says
VERY FEW in the WEST actually realize how dangerous a MUSLIM EUROPE would be !
ANTI DEMOCRACY & NUCLEAR ARMED !!!!!!!!!!
R Russell says
Only one way to prevent the UK from becoming a sharia state. We need to rediscover the faith of our forefathers.
It was prayer which aided our armed forces to win WW2. It will take the same again.
Our dhimmitude is just around the corner if we don’t realise we need the same faith which saved us in WW2.
A Lee says
I have also thought the Europeans’ current, 100% secular culture has been contributing to their own downfall. At least the Islamists believe in SOMETHING, even if I don’t agree with that “something.” I think some people might convert to Islam because they want to fill a void. If they don’t convert to other religions, maybe it’s because they can’t FIND anyone in their communities who practices other faiths!
When watching the 1970s movie “The Hiding Place,” I recall that Corrie Ten Boom and her family not only prayed to God, but their prayers called them into action when they built the hiding place for the Jewish victims.
Corrie Ten Boom would be appalled at what is happening in the UK and Europe today.
gravenimage says
I don’t think traitors convert to Islam to “find meaning” in most cases–they convert to Islam to find a creed that allows for rape and murder. The most fertile ground for conversion to Islam is in prison among violent felons.
A Lee says
Are there no longer Christian Bible study fellowships in prisons? I’m not speaking of ministry groups who visit prisons to hold chapel services. I’m referring to groups that are run by groups of inmates themselves, whether that is or is not in conjunction with a chaplain ministry program.
The news media likes to use the “mentally ill” narrative to describe terrorists. I’m not sure the terms are mutually exclusive (although mental illness should NEVER be allowed an excuse for bad CHOICES and evil BEHAVIOR). What better place to find disturbed, irrational psychotic individuals than inside a correctional facility?
I do rather hope, though, that even some prisoners might choose a Christian group behind bars, if given the option.
gravenimage says
Yes, there are, A Lee. Of course, inmates who attend such Bible study are trying to become better people–felons who convert to Islam in prison are seeking a creed that condones the violence they have done.
Guy Macher says
That will cost you a month’s wages, and 6 months at mutli-kulti tolerance school.
DAI says
I`d hunt that grassing traitor and give him a burger through his windows. What a scumbag. Its bastards like this that enable the muslim invasion.
Paul F Austin says
Terry Sullivan – Fine! Agree 100%. The problem dear Terrence is that NOBODY has come up with an answer. Day after day, time after time (and I include myself – since I am an honest man!) complaints arise mainly ablout Muslims; rapes, FGM, the spread of invective from imams, blocking public places, Sharia Law incursion and the whole gambit of Muslim/Islamic complaining and demands – we know all about them – it is becoming a cacophony of complaints. The question is WHEN AND WHAT Steps to take to defend the status quo? All our Lawyers do is foment their Muslim clients to complain even more – that is their game. The law in this country AS IT STANDS is not compatible with what the majority want to see being meted out. By the time the Government adjusts its stance it will simply be too late. So! Just HOW does Joe Public initiate change? Until the country sees positive action from vigilante groups or scenes of blood on the streets NOTHING AT ALL WILL HAPPEN except for things to get worse. Nigel gave the country an opportunity and was rejected – it is the old story, you can lead a horse to water but you can’t make it drink. My question to ALL is WHAT CAN BE DONE TO REDRESS THE GRIEVANCES? Answers please greater than one sentence, (which rows out any replies from our ‘students’ and University population).
Peter Buckley says
With hardly any publicity from mainstream media, the ever-growing number of ex-muslims of Britain joined forces with the LGBT people in a “pride” march in London:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SPR0YW1C8cg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=riiPpAiPa_U
This included the a banner reading “Allah is Gay”:
https://www.ex-muslim.org.uk/cemb-pride/
This would have been unheard of just a few years ago, when we were far more likely to see Anjem and his pals waving pro-Sharia flags. It is a sign of how things have changed.
While you may not agree with the views of (some) ex-muslims, this first generation will be the one to sow the seed of Islam’s destruction. Remember, this mass movement of apostates has never happened in 1400 years, and Islam cannot control it now. Islam can’t be saved:
gravenimage says
I wish all Muslims in the West were leaving Islam–unfortunately, they are not. Most want to see Jihad and Shari’ah in the free West.
mortimer says
I agree more with Peter’s optimism than GI’s pessimism. We are now seeing the SECOND generation that is leaving Islam openly. There are now Millenials leaving Islam. They will stand on the shoulders of the Islam-busting researchers of the counterjihad movement of today. They don’t have to do all the research over. They will start with EASY-TO-FIND materials that debunk Islam. They don’t HAVE TO INVENT THE WHEEL. They will simply run with it! Because of the fear of being a dead apostate, it’s very hard to gage how many Muslims are abandoning Islam. But that will change. The apostates are becoming increasingly less fearful every day. I personally believe 10 million are leaving Islam every year. Eventually, there will be a breaking point when the dam being held back artificially by the mullahs and jihadists will burst. I think that will come within 20 years. Then, almost overnight, Islam will be abandoned openly by tens of millions and the mosques will suddenly close from lack of clientele. This will occur around 2030. That’ll be the biggest door-slam in history.
Peter Buckley says
A lot of JW readers only read JW-they only read what RS feeds them. I look at it like an office: there’s an “in-tray” and an “out-tray”. RS gives you the in-tray(invariably the bad stuff), but nobody looks at the out-tray-the good stuff that’s happening.
For example, few will be aware that the small European state of Slovakia recently passed a law refusing to recognize Islam:
https://visegradpost.com/en/2016/12/01/slovakia-prevents-islam-from-becoming-a-state-religion/
Look at what is happening in Eastern Europe:
https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/10631/eastern-europe-islam-civilization
When RS says “UK/France is finished”, does he mean they are finished as “Christian Countries” ? Or does he mean they are on the way to becoming muslim/Islamic countries?
The chances of the second happening are zilch. According to all statistics in Europe, atheism is growing around 4 times faster than Islam. Even after nearly 5 decades of constant immigration, Islam is still at only 5% in the UK. How is Islam going to win? I don’s see Russia or China “submitting” anytime soon.
The fact is the West IS changing, and religious Christians may not like what it will look like in 100 years, but the idea that Islam will somehow take over is ridiculous beyond words. Unfortunately, there are a lot of JW readers who project their own fears, unaware of what is actually happening.
gravenimage says
Your idea that we have no recourse save violence is mistaken. We can speak out, and educate, and pressure our representatives.
M says
HAHAHAHA… That **** doesn’t work. Politicians are so far out of touch with reality they’d never feel your “pressure”.
gravenimage says
Not all of them–there are a few who are Islamo-savvy, and open to learning more.
DAI says
Stop dreaming. You must destroy your enemy not appease it.
mortimer says
A business is a private matter between the owner and the customer. If the owner doesn’t want to sell to a customer, he has no obligation. The owner can ask a difficult customer to leave.
This is absurd.
mortimer says
Islam is a political ideology. It is not a crime to ‘have strong views’ about a political ideology.
Would he be imprisoned if (as a Labourite) he said, ‘I have strong views about the Conservatives…I don’t like what they stand for.’ No, he would not be imprisoned for criticising Conservatism.
Islam is a POLITICAL IDEOLOGY … a supremacist ideology in competition with Western democratic pluralism and European culture.
zulu says
Soup Nazi https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M2lfZg-apSA
“No soup for you!”
Andy says
Unbelievable, If I went back to the UK, I think I would cry and just be disgusted at what has happened to the land, It is like being in a twilight zone episode. When is the show going to end. When am I going to wake up from this nightmare that most honest hard working good people did not want or ask for but was forced upon by these corrupt politicians and goody goody two shoes feel good, do your own thing man people.
God Help the UK and Europe. It must be the end times. IIf we don’t get back to our Judeo-Christian roots, the nations as they are will cease to exist.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H74ITg37-WU
gravenimage says
*Very* disturbing–hordes of Muslims, stretching for blocks, just taking over the roads.
A Lee says
Yes, and notice it’s about 99% adult men in the streets. I noticed only 1 or 2 women, and they were closely guarded by their male companions. The few children in the video were boys. No little girls anywhere; probably not allowed out without their entourage.
Adrian says
The scary part is how the complainer said no-go zones were a “myth”
gravenimage says
Sharia UK: Burger vendor taken to court, fined for “hate speech” for criticizing Islam
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This is *insane*. One should have the right to criticize any creed one wants to–and no creed is more deserving of criticism than Islam.
Irene Brekelmans says
It just shows you how judges work and how greedy people are getting like Linda Sarsour (the poor victim)
And the men who wanted to buy a bread, if he did not like the vendor, he should have left, that is what I do in a shop where they do not treat me wel, I leave.
A girl who throws her baby out of the window to escape punishment herself, that is first degree murder.(I can understand it being the daughter in a musim family, that might have ended up in honnor killing), but it is still murder, 4 years probation, it is so crazy, I can not find words any more.
And Sarsour acts like it is her owned country, where she is the leader, unbelievable, crazy, crazy crazy.
But the USA is like Europe, it is exactly the same with the judicial systems, the media, the big mouth people, no freedom of speech, the victimised muslims, who don’t understand that rape and everything else are no no’s. Get educated in your own countries and may be you can come back in about 1400 years and don’t work in the sewers, you are too supreme for that, it is below your religion of peace. (sarc)
Ed Lee says
Freedom of speech is dead not only in Britain, but in most countries of the world. I read recently that 180 member countries of the United Nations have stated as their official policy that they see no value in the First Amendment to the United States Constitution. Morons!
Enoch was right says
It’s curious. Why is there no free speech in Europe? Was there ever? The U.S. enjoys the first Amendment. This makes the UK seem totalitarian. It’s outrageous that this guy is fined for having an opinion. The human rights tribunals are off the deep end. Meanwhile jihadis literally get away with murder and the citizens are not allowed to talk about it.
Bindon Blood says
These “hate speech” laws are the most totalitarian,unjust,despicable,dangerous legislation EVER passed in Britain. They are a stain on the history of liberty ,free speech and opinion that Britain was known for and took to many parts of the world. I cannot put into words how loathsome the Quislings are that run to the police over a disagreement and how disgusted I am with a police force that behaves more and more like the KGB or Gestapo every day. These politicians have a lot to answer for. Absolutely disgraceful.!!
Anne Smith says
The hate speech laws sailed through Parliament without any opposition as it was seen as a “good thing” which would prevent racism (the ultimate sin) and enable social cohesion(the ultimate goal).
The effect on free speech was hardly thought about. In England we no longer have free speech due to the all pervasive PC which has infected the Police, the NHS, the schools and colleges, local and national government and just about every organisation you can think of. People in England are even afraid to speak openly to each other. Many conversations between friends start with the words “I know I’m not supposed to say this but………..”
David Cameron ( a thick and stupid blunderer promoted well above his ability, much as Teresa May has been) brought in the hate speech laws thinking he would be hailed as a noble promoter of racial harmony. He has left his trademark mess on this aspect of our life.
John Forbes says
The shutting down of free speech is a very worrying event as it facilitates the PROTECTION of ISLAM & allows for SHARIA CREEP !
But the rise of ALTERNATIVE MEDIA may well counter this & hopefully this is the case !
To say that this helps social Cohesion is nonsense as it actually supports the Government DEMAND that everyone believe the LIES about ISLAM & ITS INTENTS !
Best stated by DOUGLAS MURRAY in his YOU TUBE POST & Speech ( Henry Jackson Society ) titled – WHAT HAVE WE LEARNED ! WATCH THIS & THE LIES ARE WELL OUTLINED !
Hopefully most of the PUBLIC realize they are being lied to because the GOVERNMENT has no recovery STRATEGY & are just reacting & HOPING things will get better & THEY WILL NOT !!!
Tom says
Muslim gangs groom and gang rape children, others stand on the street and spew their hatred of anyone who isn’t a believer in Islam and NO charges are even contemplated, yet this sausage sandwich vendor is convicted, fined and has to pay compensation?
The UK is completely screwed up!!
gfmucci says
Thank God for the American Revolution so that we aren’t bound by the idiocy of present day Britain regarding its pandering to Islam. Truth is still allowed to be spoken here. In Britain, not offending Muslims is valued higher than the truth.
Baucent says
The sausage vendor probably made an error in pushing his views on a customer, but most reasonable people would have walked away and taken their business elsewhere. This Mr Palmer vindictively decided to escalate the dispute by complaining “hate speech” to the Police. That the Police didn’t tell Palmer not to waste their time on a frivolous matter is what surprises most and shows how politicized the UK Police and courts have become.
gravenimage says
All true, Baucent.
Lydia says
It’s nazi Germany all over again, sharia style.
I’m ANTI-islam and I’ll criticize it all day long!
They can call it what they want, drag me before their courts,
I’ll be proud of it!
They don’t scare me.
TheBuffster says
The hamburger man should be free to be an a**hole to his customers if he wants to, especially if it’s his own business (if he were an employee he’d deserve to be reported to his employer). The law shouldn’t have anything to do with it. If he abuses enough customers, his business will collapse.
But the guy *is* an a**hole, deliberately bringing up the topic of Islam with a customer, trying to push literature on him and refusing to serve him when the guy doesn’t want to read it. If some SJW or Muslim or even a Methodist tried that with me, I’d feel imposed upon and extremely annoyed. I’d never approach that hamburger stand again, and I’d naturally talk about it with friends because of the weirdness of the experience. It’s unprofessional and stupid to treat a customer like that. It sounds like Mr. Gardiner is not only fed up but has lost his good sense His is not the way to persuade anyone.
He needs to read Citizen Warrior’s book “Getting Through”: http://www.citizenwarrior.com/2012/10/a-new-manual-for-citizen-warriors.html
R Cole says
When you can call the police, purely because you don’t like what someone is saying, that’s what’s alarming.
What was a religious debate before could now be a criminal act.
A few years ago, I could remember looking at places like Saudi Arabia and couldn’t imagine how it is that they could live under a system that was not free. How could they take part in calling the police when someone left Islam or openly questions it? Since this whole understanding of Islam has come along, now the same thing is happening in Europe.
One of the rules of a dinner party was no politics and no religion. Now you can phone the police, drop a line on your host or vice versa on your guests, if they violate these rules of etiquette, particularly when it involves a certain religion.
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It’s Blasphemous!!
Let’s face it this is the introduction of blasphemy laws. Then we might as well turn to what is happening in Pakistan, in addition to the fact that blasphemy laws have done nothing to slow terrorism in that country, and that blasphemy laws have been extended to posts on Facebook or the internet about Islam, [with huge plans to cover Pakistanis’ posts around the globe!] What you can now be charged with for blasphemy, has evolved to include the harsher interpretations of Islam or more radical Islam. Although a £120 fine is very different from the death penalty of course.
This is not about Christian theocracy, which would deal with offences to the church. This is Islamic law, which is meant to deal harshly with offences to Islam.
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This Is Europe!!
Trump was right in his Poland speech. Europe has fought wars against Nazism and thrown off Communism, only to hand all that over to the Genie-in-a-bottle, flying-carpet religious control from the Middle East.
mortimer says
Jim Gardiner is the tip of the iceberg. There’s no reason we must agree with everyone or pretend to agree. That’s freedom of expression and sometimes, that freedom is bloody well abrasive and short-tempered. That doesn’t mean we want to hurt someone when we disagree. We just have strong views as Jim Gardner said. OK, you may not like someone’s views, but you are not forced to agree.
The court is wrong to tell Jim he cannot express his strong views when he upsets others. The other person may be wrong. The court cannot say which view is correct unless the court wants to intervene in every conversation.
David M says
Five different acid attacks in London in one night. This may or may not be Muslims doing it, shows what a shit hole London has become either way though.
http://www.smh.com.au/world/london-police-investigating-four-acid-attacks-in-90-minutes-reports-20170714-gxba5x.html
YorkshireKufir says
A personal grievance extracted by manipulation of a bad law. Small minded people exist in every society and take advantage of poorly thought out laws for their own ego massaging fantasies.
balam says
ISLAMC STATE OF BRITAIN-the future name for Great Britain with a KHAIFA in the 10 Downing Street with majority English Dhimmis to serve their Muslim MASTERS .That day is not too far now .By the way, PALMER is not the real name of that PAKISTANI MUSLIM.DECEPTION-THY NAME IS ISLAM!!!
Lebel says
LOL, yes just a bit rude. Make the guy a Muslim and the customer and the customer a non-Muslim and see the reactions from jwatchers.
Please stop with the hypocrisy so we can have real discussions.
don vito says
“islam ALL evil ALL the time”.