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Two Muslims UK government deemed “not at risk of being drawn into terror-related activities” killed waging jihad

Jul 27, 2017 10:43 am By Robert Spencer

The British authorities are abjectly incapable of determining who is and who isn’t “at risk of being drawn into terror-related activities.” They refuse to recognize the ideological roots of the jihad terror threat. They’re looking for the causes of “radicalization” in all the wrong places, and refuses to look at what obviously causes it. So of course they’re going to miss cases such as those of Abdullah and Jaffar Deghayes.

“Two British Muslim teenage brothers killed fighting with extremist forces in Syria were radicalised under noses of police and social services says report,” by Thomas Burrows, MailOnline, July 27, 2017:

Police and social services failed to prevent two teenage British Muslims being radicalised before they were killed fighting with extremist forces in Syria.

There was ‘no recognition’ Abdullah Deghayes, 18, his 17-year-old brother Jaffar and their three siblings were becoming vulnerable to radicalisation in Brighton.

When their elder brother Amer Deghayes, a former finance student, also travelled to Syria to fight for the al-Qaeda linked group Jabhat Al Nusra, they failed to stop his two younger siblings.

A Serious Case Review has now highlighted how the agencies failed to spot the tell-tale signs of radicalisation.

Abdullah and Jaffar boarded a £59 one-way flight from Luton to Istanbul and then went to Syria.

Both were killed just a few months after their arrival in the war-torn region – Abdullah by a sniper while chasing retreating forces in Lakatia in April 2014, and Jaffar six months later during a close-range firefight amid the ruins of Idlib.

Amer told ITV News in 2014 that he was prepared to suffer the same fate as his brothers, saying he had promised Allah he would continue on the path of jihad ‘until I get killed’.

Missed opportunities to intervene in the Brighton siblings’ lives were highlighted in the report following the deaths in 2014 of Abdullah and Jaffar, who were referred to as W and X.

In 2013, concern was raised by a school that some young people were converting to Islam and some had been paid by a relative of the brothers to attend a gym behind a place of worship.

The report said no further information was obtained about the activities at the gym.

The second opportunity came in the same year after Jaffar was referred to a panel following an ’emotional’ comment he made about Americans when he called them ‘terrorists’.

But the panel concluded Jaffar was ‘not at risk of being drawn into terror-related activities’.

The report said: ‘Both these instances were missed opportunities to learn more about the activities of the young people and to understand the links between young people in Brighton.’

It added: ‘Moreover at that time there was little local or national knowledge or understanding of the risks to children from being exploited into radicalisation to go and fight in wars elsewhere in the world.’

The report’s authors said they were unable to point to how the brothers were radicalised and news that Jaffar and Abdullah had gone to Syria came as a ‘total surprise and shock’ to professionals….

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  1. mortimer says

    Jul 27, 2017 at 10:59 am

    A Lebanese CABINET MINISTER (a Muslim) told Western politicians that HE CANNOT DETERMINE who the terrorists are in the MIGRANT COMMUNITIES! He is a Muslim and cannot find the terrorists for certain.

    So how could Western immigration officers who know NOTHING ABOUT ISLAM WHATEVER make the determination?

    ALL migrants or refugee claimants should take a SERIES of lie detector tests to determine their loyalties.

  2. mortimer says

    Jul 27, 2017 at 11:01 am

    The UK government should immediately start to watch GYNASIUMS, GUN CLUBS and MARTIAL ARTS CLUBS where Muslim young people hang out.

    YOUNG MUSLIMS ARE PREPARING FOR JIHAD AT SUCH PLACES by becoming fit and LEARNING HOW TO KILL.

    • Cicero says

      Jul 28, 2017 at 9:27 am

      Yes most of the Unaccompanied Minors ( mostly males) who arrive in the UK, once they are settled in the State Foster Care system , demand that the local authority pay their gym fees.

      It is quite a feasible thought that the muslim british yoith are doing the same. Getting fit to wage jihad agsinst their non muslim British fellow citizens

  3. Peter Buckley says

    Jul 27, 2017 at 11:02 am

    “Radicalization” is a word invented by The West to try to explain away the simple change that occurs within an individual muslim when he/she adopts “Medinan Islam” as opposed to “Meccan Islam”. This is a big “tactical” error on the part of said Muslim, since it alerts the non-muslims about the true nature of the religion.

    Always enjoy watching Ayaan Hirsi Ali. She explains so called “radicalization” quite simply as a muslim becoming “more pious”:

    • billybob says

      Jul 27, 2017 at 7:19 pm

      Excellent interview. Very rare nowadays to get such keen insight into the problem from the MSM. It’s fake news 24/7 now.

  4. Dwayne Austin says

    Jul 27, 2017 at 11:34 am

    “[N]ews that Jaffar and Abdullah had gone to Syria came as a ‘total surprise and shock’ to professionals….”

    I’ll bet it was a total surprise and shock when professional soldiers busted a cap in these two Tangos backside!

    • Cicero says

      Jul 28, 2017 at 9:35 am

      It is no surprise that the professoinals were shocked by the Libyan brothers jihadi proclivities.
      Most of the professionals who work with such young people are absolutely clueless, I repeat , absolutely clueless about the true nature and teachings of Islam.

      They are ignorant and continue to remain ignorant without becoming curious about the ideolgy and value system which drive the thinking and behaviour of muslims.

      They take whatever is told to them by muslims at face value. They brlieve them. As a result the muslim children and parents as well as muslim foster parents run rings around the professionals..

      One sees it happening every day in so-called British society

  5. Hugh Fitzgerald says

    Jul 27, 2017 at 11:34 am

    Still, a most satisfactory result.

    • Brendan Cleary says

      Jul 27, 2017 at 7:18 pm

      Yes, Hugh, one does have to look on the bright side! If they’d stayed in England they may have decided that, to truly show their allegiance to the religion of peace, they should blow up a Tube station.

  6. John A. Marre says

    Jul 27, 2017 at 11:48 am

    How do you know if the Muslim is a terrorist? When he is trying hard to become a “good” Muslim. The proper practice of Islam IS terrorism.

    • Michael Copeland says

      Jul 27, 2017 at 1:57 pm

      “The Quran directly commands us to commit terrorism, so why are we afraid of it?”
      Ragab Hilal Hamida, Egyptian MP,
      in the Egyptian Parliament, January 2006.
      https://libertygb.org.uk/news/ideology-killing

      • John Forbes says

        Jul 28, 2017 at 6:11 am

        The TEACHINGS in the HOLY BOOKS instruct abuse of non believers & killings of apostates of Jews ,Apostates , & the POLITICALLY correct will not approach this issue !
        The MOSQUES & ISLAMIC SCHOOLS teach & spread these things & are planted all over our countries like the nerve centers of an ENEMY !
        An ENEMY it is that our COWARDLY leaders seem to either not understand or dare approach !
        DOUGLAS MURRAY says it best in his post =What have we learned !
        This NONSENSE will not change until the VOTERS start DEMANDING change in approach where the HATE TEACHINGS are called out & challenged !
        The REAL ISSUE NOW are the LEGAL STATUTES being placed by our COWARDS in POWER demanding SPECIFIC & SPECIAL protection for the IDEOLOGY that attacks & works to END DEMOCRACY & IMPOSE SHARIA !

  7. stan lee says

    Jul 27, 2017 at 2:06 pm

    The UK government is too concerned with covering over its own stupidity about Muslims. Those Muslims may be laughing themselves silly at the UK gov’t in denial of reality. Where is one British leader who will say “Brittania First” and have that government bear the expense of shipping these SOB’s where they came from and give no further thought to them? They are not Britons, they hate Britons, but they see a country they can steal from the British. And, the Brits just sit there with silly grins, waiting for somebody, anybody, (but themselves) to solve their Muslim problem for them. Brits should not look to German solutions either…German leaders sage advice to Germans, “Don’t provoke them.” So, you see, UK isn’t the only nation that can’t deal with reality. Note: The EU wasn’t entirely necessary, just see what it has done for you British! Dump it post haste and the Muslims too!

    • Bob says

      Jul 28, 2017 at 9:56 am

      When it comes to the immigration and violence of mulims, UK politicos seem to be solid granite from the neck upwards. They must surely know what we ‘common’ types know, yet they do nothing at all! And TM is rapidly developing into the perfecr dhimmi!

  8. JeffS says

    Jul 27, 2017 at 4:13 pm

    All this hand-wringing that they didn’t catch these murderers before they went to Syria; I say good riddance. They wanna go, let them go and DON’T LET THEM BACK, gat dangit!

  9. Debi Brand says

    Jul 28, 2017 at 3:13 am

    “Amer told ITV News in 2014 that he was prepared to suffer the same fate as his brothers, saying he had promised Allah he would continue on the path of jihad ‘until I get killed’.”

    Why is that practice and resolve so strong in the youth of the Ummah?

    Here is why:

    Tillerson’s Folly (“The Bliss of a Martyr”)

    ………………………………………………………………….

    Tabari relates, at some point during the battle, “the enemy overwhelmed” the “Messenger of God.” Thus surrounded, he cried out to his companions, “Who will sell his life for us?” (Tabari, V.VII, P 120.)

    Waqidi relates that challenge made with these words: “Is there any man who offers himself for the hereafter?” (P. 119.)

    Of that challenge posed, Tabari relates, as do others, “ Ziyad b. al-Sakan rose up with five of the Ansars … and they fought to protect the Messenger of God.” Did so, as “Man after man of them was killed in front of him until only Ziyad … was left, and he fought until his wounds made him incapable of further fighting.” (Tabari, ibid, pp 120, 121, in order.)

    “Abu Dujanah shielded the Messenger of God with his body, standing over him while arrows struck his back until it was full of them.” (Ibid, P. 121.) Others did much the same. “Mus ‘ab b. ‘Umayr fought in defense of the Messenger of God and bore his banner until he was killed.” (Ibid.)

    …………………………………………………

    … these are the heroes in Islam that are showcased for its sons and daughters.

    These are the words and deeds of the ones the apostle asserted were the best of the ummah, thus the ones that believers ought to emulate. For such reasons, following these provided examples, doing what these did, living as they lived, and dying as these died, is simple bedrock doctrine of Islam.

    And these, according to the Islamic record, lived thirsting for martyrdom; died embraced by it.

    Only prevaricators, fools, or those unread on Islamic history state otherwise. Because anyone who studies Islam knows that since the time records have been recorded on Islam, this is the Islam on the chronicled record.

    If you want an Islam void of “the Prophet” and his words and deeds, an Islam other than that brought, preached, and practiced, thus, borne out on the pages of the authoritative works of Islam, as the Islam lived by “Allah’s Messenger” and his “Noble Companions,” then create one. Write it up. Create a new “Messenger of Allah.” Do likewise with the lot of those known and detailed in the band of the “Noble Companions.” However, until those new characters are fabricated and formed, their new biographies’ relayed; for the “men” and lives that now fill the pages of Islamic history, these are they.

    Hence, the maghazi and other records continue, regarding the battle of Uhud, “When the polytheists turned away from Uhud, the Muslims approached their dead.” (Waqidi, P. 150.)

    And, “Hamza b. ‘Abd al-Muttalib,” provides Waqidi, “was among those who were brought to the Prophet first….
    ……………………………………………………………………

    Read the rest of essay here: http://www.debibrand.org/tillersons-folly-bliss-martyr/

    OpposingIslam Tillerson’s Folly (“The Bliss of a Martyr”)

  10. Adrianne Smyth says

    Jul 28, 2017 at 4:41 am

    Plenty of hand wringing and wailing in the British papers this morning about these two young men killed in Syria, while most people couldn’t care less about them.

    It seems to me if they hate the British so much and want to kill them it is better to let them go to Syria and be dealt with by forces out there, rather than blow up unsuspecting civilians on a London Bridge, or in a market or at a concert hall.

    Two potential troublemakers dealt with, thank goodness.

  11. Chris Malan says

    Jul 28, 2017 at 6:22 am

    Not a bad ending, then. All’s well that ends well. These two young Jihadis now have a gross of virgins between them, or is it only 140? Hope they took stacks of Viagra along.

  12. martin says

    Jul 28, 2017 at 1:25 pm

    Easy way to spot terrorist – if they are a muslim

  13. UNCLE VLADDI says

    Jul 28, 2017 at 9:15 pm

    ALL politicians habitually address only the symptoms and never the underlying causes of ALL problems, as their motto seems to be: “There’s No Money In Solutions, so Please Give Generously – AGAIN!”

    Thus they are ALL criminally negligent extortionists, just like the muslims they pander to and defend.

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