Why do we take off our shoes in airports? Because years ago, a jihadi hid explosives in his shoes and tried to set off an explosion on an airplane. And now it will be much harder to rent a car or van in the UK, because a jihadi used a van in Barcelona to commit jihad mass murder. The next weapon of jihad mass murder will lead to more curtailment of our freedoms, and more inconveniences in our daily life. Governing authorities are always ready to confront the means of jihad attacks, but never the reasons why the jihad attacks happen in the first place, and are never willing to take lawful steps that would actually be effective in preventing the next jihad attack.
“Government orders crackdown on car and van hire rentals after Barcelona terror attack,” by Jonathan Mitchell, Evening Standard, August 20, 2017 (thanks to Bert):
British drivers will face extra checks when renting cars and vans to ensure they are not extremists in the wake of string of a deadly terror attacks using vehicles.
Ministers are ordering the crackdown amid growing concern over how easily extremists are renting vehicles and using them to mow down pedestrians in attacks.
It comes after 14 people were killed when terrorists ploughed into passersby in Barcelona and seaside town of Cambrils on Thursday.
This year in the UK, vehicles have been at the centre of deadly attacks on Westminster, London Bridge and Finsbury Park.
The incidents sparked suggestions van rental could be subject to more stringent checks, while officers appealed for vehicle hire and haulage firms with suspicions about rental attempts to come forward.
Ministers are proposing rental companies share drivers’ data with the Government so it could be checked against a terror watch list before a vehicle is released for hire.
Toby Poston, director of external relations at the British Vehicle Rental and Leasing Association (BVRLA), told the Sunday Telegraph: “The industry is looking at ways to share data with the authorities in as real time as possible so it can be cross-referenced with counter-terrorism watch lists.”
A Government spokeswoman confirmed that the Department for Transport is working with the police and the vehicle rental industry to look at tightening up regulations.
“The threat from terrorism is changing and so must our response,” she said.
“That is why we are reviewing our counter-terrorism strategy and powers and why we have ploughed extra resources into counter-terrorism.
“The Department for Transport is also working with the police and the vehicle rental industry to explore what more can be done to prevent the malicious use of hire vehicles.
“This includes looking at what more rental companies could do before an individual can hire a vehicle.”…
pr126 says
“Why do we take off our shoes in airports?”
Good question.
What about the underwear bomber?
Just asking.
LB says
Soon we will ALL be forced to undertake thorough strip and cavity searches, except for muslims — that would violate their religious rights. And they say islam never contributed to anything!
Guy Forester says
The new head of TSA is Ben Dover. Now, grab your ankles and crack a smile.
Benedict says
If a potential jihadi is denied a vehicle at a rental company his warped mind will immediately find another way to get what he wants. But politicians are obliged to come up with some ideas to combat terrorism, and some of them don’t care much about how nonsensical they are.
What about a lie detector test before you rent a car, BTW? Implemented by Muslims themselves.
Georg says
Leftists want us doing anything but something about terror.
Guy Forester says
The gangbangers in the US routinely steal cars for drug transports. Any company that has large vehicles in an unattended lot will soon find them missing. This is also how this was done in places like Lebanon. Unless there is a live person actively monitoring a lot and will call police immediately when a large vehicle or road capable piece of heavy equipment is stolen, the damage will be done before the attack can be stopped.
David M says
It’s like letting wolves into the back pen, then worrying about how to stop them attacking the lambs. How about stop letting them into the pen to begin with!
PABLO says
Instead of also cracking down on the Islamic terrorists the Brits are rolling over again. I wonder if the powers to be are unaware that vehicles can be stolen and used by terrorists to achieve the same end.
Billybob says
It won’t stop them stealing a truck van or car to carry out their acts after all they are going to commit murder you think they will be bothered about stealing a car truck or van look at german Christmas markets that truck was hijacked and the driver killed
overman says
” I wonder if the powers to be are unaware that vehicles can be stolen and used by terrorists to achieve the same end”
Exactly. How many vehicles have been rented by Jihadi’s? – probably one or two and haven’t these government fools heard of fake ID’s. Most vehicles will be stolen IMO.
JamesT says
Trucks and vans can also be owned by anyone with the proper ID. What is to stop jihadi’s in the West from setting up their own business of “moving” or “delivery”? It would be a good cover.
EDDIE says
in re lie detector. think taquia (?) muslims lie, how rude of you (S)
Matthieu Baudin says
“… The next weapon of jihad mass murder will lead to more curtailment of our freedoms, and more inconveniences in our daily life…”
And the rapid destruction of public trust – something that’s taken a very long period of time to establish in our modern civilisation.
thesailor says
That is a very good point about the erosion of public trust. That will not return in a hurry.
Alien Republican says
No pick ups for red necks will be coming soon.
Japetto Donatelli says
Here’s another reminder of just how feckless and inept these bureaucrats can be. They don’t have the guts to pro actively tackle the issue of islam, instead they react like desperate sailors trying to save the sinking ship by plugging holes with their inneffectual fingers. And if some muslim kills with a rock they’ll want to outlaw rocks. And if some muslim kills with his fists they’ll want to outlaw sudden arm movements. And if a muslim kills by pushing someone off a building (like say, a homosexual) they’ll want to outlaw tall buildings. Because what we’re dealing with here are people that think it makes more sense to inconvenience and punish their own citizens for what muslims do. The only thing accomplished with these pointless intrusions on good sense is that we average folk have to pay more, suffer more, and be denied our basic human liberties. It isn’t we “islamophobes” or the alt right that’s causing the problems. It’s the leftist sympathizers for islam who are aiding and abetting the cause of islam in the western world, and they do this with their refusal to deal honestly and responsibly with islam’s annihilistic threat against our nation’s security and freedoms.
Thanks to muslims and their demented religion we’re all going to have the governments gloved finger up our a$$es for a very long time. Hello islam, goodbye freedom.
Japetto Donatelli says
Our government is making it harder and harder to like and tolerate muslims. Oh, I’m still decent and respectful to muslims in public, and I will never resort to violence. But what a fake I have become. My smiles and courtesy go no deeper than my skin. Underneath is a growing contempt for what I see as a big reason our nation is crumbling. America is no longer free because of the violence of islam and the inordinate respect our media and politicians have for it. As a decent and honest person I must jump through hoops and turn a blind eye for the world’s worst excuse for a religion. I’m expected to sit by idly while muslims give birth to baby enclaves I know will grow into all consuming giants of exclusion and intolerance. I’m expected to keep quiet and not care that these people worship a demon and nurture ideas of bigotry and religious supremacy that kills. Yes, I still smile and tip my hat. But inside I’m spitting.
Savvy Kafir says
Japetto — At what point will you stop smiling and tipping your hat?
Japetto Donatelli says
Japetto — At what point will you stop smiling and tipping your hat?
The day I believe that not being polite and decent will do more good than harm.
I’m not the type to make bold assertions about people without knowing about them first. I’m surrounded by people I reasonably assume are muslims, but I have no idea where they are at with islam. They may actually despise islam for all I know and want to leave it. Being discourteous indiscriminately won’t help one bit. It’s far easier when a self-professed muslim declares their allegiance to islam over America and her laws. Such people don’t deserve my best, if anything they deserve my contempt. I’m a kind person and always will be whenever possible. Having said that, I also know that even the very best muslim community imaginable would be bad for America because invariably they will adhere to their own sharia culture above our own. I also know that these parallel societies will lead to more violence, more social dissension, more female abuse, more discrimination and rape, more sharia courts, more muslim crime, as we see in Europe and the Middle East. And that’s where my anger comes in, because then they all seem to be part of the problem, even the best among them. So candidly speaking, it’s a bit of a conundrum for me. I feel a growing contempt because I know that, collectively speaking they’ll ruin us, because their combined influence and strength is more destructive than the terrorists. But on an individual basis I’m not yet prepared to see the worst in every single one of them. I’m caught between my own good nature and the cold, dark truth about islam. So I guess what I’m saying is, I don’t know. But I’m thinking I’ll know if and when that day comes. Hopefully it won’t be too late.
(This is one of those wishy-washy replies I usually end up regretting. And I don’t really “tip my hat,” that was merely a manner of speaking. Thought you should know. 🙂
thesailor says
I would like to comment on Japetto’s reply if I may, as I do not seem able to do so directly.
“Japetto — At what point will you stop smiling and tipping your hat?”
“The day I believe that not being polite and decent will do more good than harm.”
I think this sentiment is shared by most decent, honourable folk, and it is this very tolerance that is used as a weapon against them. However, I believe that this day will come, although the sad irony is that the situation will be so far gone by then that the only hope of salvation will lie with the sort of hard and ruthless government that said decent and honourable folk would really rather not govern them.
“I feel a growing contempt because I know that, collectively speaking they’ll ruin us, because their combined influence and strength is more destructive than the terrorists.”
I see Islam as a collective organism, much like a wasp colony. If it does not trouble you too much in the garden you can live with it. But if it does trouble you, then killing aggressive individuals will have negligible effect. You must go to the nest after dark, pour petrol into it and bung up the entrance, so that the whole colony dies.
This can be achieved with Muslims without having to kill or deport individuals, simply by banning Islam, demolishing its mosques and deporting its preachers. This will destroy the brainwashing matrix that holds them all together and the whole vile edifice will steadily collapse. For the sake of all humanity I sincerely hope a man will emerge in Europe strong enough to do that; and show the way for the Americas.
Bob says
The government is making not the least effort to confront islam directly – just reacting to outrages! Are they afraid of muslims? And the answer – give that man a 5c cigar! – is YES!!
mortimer says
The real problem is the JIHAD DOCTRINE and the HATE DOCTRINE of Islam called Al Walaa wal Baraa.
If intelligence agencies develop protocols to delegitimize Islam’s HATEFUL, WARLIKE doctrines, there will be little or no jihad in future.
The time to delegitimize JIHAD and AL WALAA WAL BARAA is now.
KRJ says
Which one was it – there are so many now! – the guy simply hijacked the vehicle.
dumbledoresarmy says
It was the Muslim truck attack on the Berlin Christmas markets. He hijacked the truck – murdered the driver.
Phil Copson says
Steal one, hi-jack one, borrow one, buy one, take one for a test-drive – the ways you can lay hands on a vehicle are endless. And why stop at vans ? Even the smallest car or motorbike is lethal if driven into people at speed.
The measures they take will do zero to protect us, but will (A) allow them to pretend to be doing something in order to look good in the media, and (B) allow them to take away more of our liberties. “You will all have to give up driving and be forced into driverless electric cars where you have to log-on to get permission to move about, and we can track every citizen. This is to protect you from terrorists….honest!”
Gart says
What about knives? Will chefs of the future be required to have a police check?
zachary says
Maybe it is time to start arresting these cockroaches that are already known to be on watch list instead of allowing them to commit mayhem before taking action.
Anne Smith says
It is overdue and they will eventually have to accept what is happening and bring in internment for suspected terrorists and their families.
Phil Copson says
“….and they will eventually have to accept what is happening….”
Who is “they” ? We all like to think that there is a “they” in charge who is on the side of the indigenous population and will enforce law and order, but this assumes that government, the civil service, the judiciary and the police will be staffed in perpetuity by conservatively-minded people who believe in western values.
When govt departments and govt itself is run almost entirely by people like Obama, Macron, Merkel, and May who believe in Sharia law, then there will be no one around to intervene.
Meantime, they are just play-acting at doing something and letting events roll over them.
dumbledoresarmy says
Arresting and then either interning or, preferably, deporting, sans citizenship status.
overman says
This is just the tip of the lslamic ice-berg according to a BRITISH sniper who helped to defeat ISIS in Iraq.
He says:
“Forget Manchester and London, I think what we’ve seen so far is nothing.”
“But despite his valiant volunteer work, Mr Duncan claims he has been subject to several episodes of “harassment” at the hands of British authorities” – no surprise there.
https://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/638589/british-sniper-alan-duncan-warning-isis-terror-uk-barcelona-attack
‘We’ve seen nothing yet’ Brit sniper warns of HOLY WAR and more ISIS terror in Britain’
‘claims homegrown jihadists are attempting to sneak back into the UK with refugees to commit terror atrocities’
‘But despite Iraq forces declaring victory over ISIS on the battlefield, Mr Duncan told Daily Star Online the nature of the jihadist threat has evolved.
Mr Duncan, who is now back home in Scotland, believes British jihadists who fought in Iraq will flock back to the UK now ISIS is finished.
His stark comments come after a cell of depraved ISIS-linked terrorists killed 14 people and injured around 130 in two horrific attacks in Spain’
‘Having been brainwashed by ISIS propaganda, Mr Duncan believes these fighters will now become recruiters for terror in the UK.
It is estimated that around 850 people from the UK have travelled to support or fight for jihadist groups in Syria and Iraq.
Around 350 ISIS fighters are thought to have returned to the UK, creating a nightmare for security services’
Guy Forester says
Yes, and there are thousands in the military and police forces mainly to get high level training and access to quality firearms and more. The time will come when this will all come out in the daylight. Fort Hood will look like it really was simply workplace violence.
Georg says
Brings to mind the horrid phenomenon of Muslim “asylum seekers” molesting/raping women at Swedish concerts. What does the Swedish govt do? Ban men. Isn’t that nice. Let’s just take away the civil liberties of half the population so as not to offend a minuscule (yet rapidly growing) group of people, many of whom hold nothing but contempt for the country freely offering them a fantastic life in exchange for their own. It’s like we just can’t give away our civilization fast enough to the most despicable group of people on Earth.
Many counterjihadists, some frequenting these message boards, used to commonly joke about banning knives, spoons, Lincoln Logs, and other mundane objects none of us normal human beings had dreamt up a murderous usage for so as to prevent future jihadism (as opposed to preventing jihadis — that would be racist). Well, looks like TPTB, with their impossible lack of humor, when spying on us, took the advice!
This from those who took 1984 to be an instruction manual. Are we surprised? Enjoy your morning cereal. Bask in a shower with a faucet for warm water. Buy your kid that toy he wants. Once a minion of the ROP figures out how to use it it will be gone forever — with all the things we loved turned to banned weapons of zealous perversion.
Phil Copson says
“Many counterjihadists, some frequenting these message boards, used to commonly joke about banning knives, spoons, Lincoln Logs, and other mundane objects none of us normal human beings had dreamt up a murderous usage for so as to prevent future jihadism….”
Very true; I am all for banning buckets of water; a deranged person could easily use it to drown someone, and then – (provided that the first drownee hasn’t taken advantage of the situation and drunk too much of it ) – carry on to drown a second!
If there is a tap handy for topping-up at intervals, then there is absolutely no limit as to how many people a really ambitious aquatic assassin could drown, provided that they all line-up in an orderly fashion.
I estimate that the reservoir, lakes, rivers, swimming-pools etc hereabouts contain sufficient water to drown the entire population of my home town in one sitting, and I shall be contacting the authorities to ensure that such lethal installations are drained and made safe without delay.
Furthermore, readers will be shocked to discover that water is notoriously composed of a dangerous combination of highly flammable and explosive hydrogen and oxygen: I don’t think that anyone under the age of 21 should be allowed near the stuff.
Georg says
One can never be too careful. If an underemployed guys shows up that water could be the end of us all.
Santa Voorhees says
The UK is a fucking joke. Seriously, what is the average IQ within the government/authorities? It looks like it stands at -50 to say the least.
Banning the weapons they use won’t stop them from trying to murder infidels.
Do what Italy does. Expel them at the slightest suspicion!
Or better, like Poland, Hungary and Japan. Do not take any to begin with!
Janakiraman Rajalakshmi says
In one of the most ancient sacred Hindu Temples I was shocked to find a scanner installed similar to the one at airports. All the devotees entering had to deposit whatever bags we were carrying in that scanner.
In Kaasi Visvanathar Temple all are violently palpated to “avoid bomb blasts”.
Those Hindus undertaking pilgrimage to Amarnath Temple are often forbidden from taking the customary offering -Coconuts . As jihadists selling them plant bombs inside them.
Despite such ground realities Indian ministers LIE without flinching ” muslims & hindus enjoy happy coexistence”.
Those jihadists guilty of 9/11 took flight lessons in America from Americans.
I recall one jihadist wanted to learn ” how to drive a car backwards ” which made the Instructor suspicious.
Georg says
“Despite such ground realities Indian ministers LIE without flinching ” muslims & hindus enjoy happy coexistence”.
“Islam is a religion of peace.” = The Big Lie
Janakiraman Rajalakshmi says
Correction- the jihadist wanted to learn to drive only forward . He was planning to drive into a crowd of non muslim Americans .
thesailor says
Possibly apocryphal but I read a claim that the jihadi trainee pilots told the flying school not to bother teaching them to land.
underbed cat says
This article surprises me since I “assumed”, that in the U.S. and other countries experiencing jihad/( the sharia adherent call extremist,)and especially in the U.S there would already be technology to scan licenses, video and that is exactly what it would do, for “any” person renting a van or large truck or small truck. Instantly record name and check out any details. Of course that can all go wrong if, the person of bad intent ownes a truck rental, has false I.D., or they just pulled logos, and just have enough money to buy trucks and they are not from a legitimate business. So then they start using multiple SUV’s….or sedans. This is a tangled web…so this comment sounds stupid and FBI has intelligent methods I can’t grasp……I hope.
Georg says
You’re exactly right. What people are trying to get at is that it ain’t the vans that are the problem.
The article headline should read something like: After Barcelona jihad attack UK orders crackdown on radical mosques. This is ESPECIALLY true as a %$%#^%$&%*%^*&*&#$$#@# imam was found to be part of the pack of lone wolves having nothing to do with that thing that isn’t taught in those places to those people we won’t name!! Madness.
Guest says
The same stupidity that got guns banned
RAB says
What new idiocy is this? Do the U.K officials really think that by making things more difficult for everyone to rent a vehicle that this is going to stop a jihadi from obtaining a vehicle for a terrorist attack? Why do these people continue to treat the symptoms while ignoring the underlying disease, which, as everyone here knows, is Islam, namely the Koran, the Sirah, and the Hadith, and the example of Mohammad himself – to say nothing of centuries of Islamic expansion at everyone else’s expense?
somehistory says
Some years ago, criminals were hijacking cars and using them in the commission of other felonies…such as bank-robbery.
The criminal locates a car, forces the owner/driver to hand over the keys and drives to his destination for committing the other crime., usually having another car, perhaps stolen or his own, waiting around the corner with a get-away driver.
There is no real need for a moslum to rent a van or truck when there are many of these already on the streets and in parking lots. Stealing one or more to use in an attack is not impossible and they will if they can’t rent one. Rental mans having money or credit card to charge. Stealing leaves the owner as a suspect.
Rather than go for the weapon, go for the criminal. Next , they’ll be looking into who is buying propane. Everyone who hopes to cook or heat their home will be suspect.
James says
“Why do we take off our shoes in airports?”
Because they are sacred to Islam, of course.
Phil Copson says
“Why do we take off our shoes in airports? Because they are sacred to Islam, of course.”
Brilliant – I take my hat off to you.
(Then there was the Arab who went into Allied Carpets and thought it was the airport…..)
Georg says
“After Barcelona jihad attack, UK orders crackdown on…car and van rentals”
Someone tell them: It’s Islam, stupid.
Guy Forester says
I was waiting for this. Yesterday I posted the following on Jihad Watch in response to one of the articles regarding the stabbings in Turku:
Sacre bleu! Another rampaging knife attacking people! I will send out a BOLO to all units! Watch for rampaging knives and report them to us immediately! We must go to the EU parliament and demand that knives are banned from the continent to keep them from rampaging!
Mon Dieu! What now? Rampaging vans! We must ban vans to keep them from rampaging! What is the world coming to? First gun violence, then knife and van rampages! They must all be banned!
Inspector Clouseau
Robert, you cannot make something up that would be undoable by the idiots running the show. Trump is right, the elections are rigged. Can people really keep voting in these same idiots year after year?
Barook says
What about the underwear bomber? .
(Just imagining the nightmare and chaos it would cause if men and women were asked to remove their underwears and panties at the airport.)
The governments and law enforcing authorities are dumber than a dodo bird. Do they think that cracking down on car and van hire rentals will stop the islamic attacks?
IT WILL NOT STOP … NOT NOW AND NOT IN A MILLION YEARS
There are other options these muslims will use such as:
Hijacking a car, van or truck
Stealing a car, van or truck
Putting cash down up front and buying a car, van or truck (remember who finances islamic jihad against the West, the non-muslims, infidels etc.)…..
I’m just saying …..
Try cracking down on car, van and truck hijacking. Not a chance…
Try cracking down on car, van or truck theft. Not a chance …
and how are you going to crack down on someone who is financing or leasing a car, van or truck?
These whitewash remedies ain’t going to work. Need to face reality and get to the source and remove it completely.
Guy Forester says
You are in error if you assume that big centralized government wants a solution that would really work. The goal is to make western civilization and the concept of individual liberty. The real leftist agenda is curtailment of individual freedoms and liberty in general and an all powerful centralized government. Look at how the GDR, USSR, and PRC worked prior to making some cosmetic changes. DPRK, Cuba, and Venezuela are the true operating models for the left. You and I on bicycles or heavily monitored public transit. Consumer goods and motor vehicles only for the party elite. Travel outside of your own district, let alone out of country, only for the party favorites. Got it?
Baucent says
“This includes looking at what more rental companies could do before an individual can hire a vehicle.”…
Well it very simple; it’s called “profile the customer” and refuse to rent to those who may be suspect.
Anne Smith says
Best idea so far.
Unfortunately that would also be the very worst crime you could commit in modern Britain – it would be deemed “racist”.
thesailor says
Given that it is hard to escape the conclusion that anyone with the ability to tie their own shoelaces unaided must be fully aware of what is happening, it is equally hard to escape the conclusion that the EU authorities must be colluding with the Muslims to destroy the very society they are responsible for protecting. I think it is fast approaching lamp-post time.
UNCLE VLADDI says
Next they’ll ban sticks and stones – and cash in by fining guys at construction sites for “negligence” (leaving stray sticks and stones around)!
Valkyrie Ziege says
; Muhammadans, also, have taken the option of stealing vehicles.
Karina says
Muslims will probably find another way to get their hands on a car, if they really wanted to use a car.
They would also probably find other ways to commit mass murder.
But liberals just think it’s not the Muslims, or Islam, but rather the cars that are the problem.