Could be an accident. Could be jihad. Could be something else altogether. But that there is immediate suspicion that it is jihad, and not just an accident, is a sign of how much Europe has changed: even ten or twenty years ago, everyone would have assumed it was an accident.
#Barcelona van into the crowd pic.twitter.com/lQQeSg2yPo
— Crottaz Finance (@crofin67) August 17, 2017
“Barcelona truck crash: ‘Many injured’ after ‘truck ploughs into pedestrians’ along iconic Las Ramblas tourist hotspot,” by Neal Baker, The Sun, August 17, 2017:
People have been told to avoid the area as emergency services reacted to a “serious incident” in the Spanish city.
Metro lines have been shut and shoppers and pedestrians have been seen running into buildings as armed police flooded the area.
Testimonies suggest the van careered into pedestrians as they crossed the road.
Police have confirmed that a “massive crash” has occurred.
And witnesses have told of hearing gunshots, although this has not been confirmed…
WorkingClassPost says
A tragedy for sure, but I would suggest that even five years ago, the first reaction would have been to assume that it was an accident.
Just shows how much is happening and how quickly, and the left/lib frogs are still relaxing as the pot gets closer to boiling point.
JawsV says
It’s Jihad. The two perps (one dead) are Muslims.
gravenimage says
The individual who rented the van had an “Arabic name”, according to police. This certainly points to Jihad.
Cthulhu says
Maybe non-Muslims should start a movement Kafir Lives Matter?
Axel says
I know that we should not assume that every Muslim that we meet is hell bent on killing everybody. But with the constant barrage of bad and worse news, how can you not treat all Muslims with suspicion? It is asking a lot of non Muslims to take the time to get to know the Muslims that they meet before making a judgement, especially when people are busy with work and just leading their lives. Do you ever have any good news to print that could temper all the bad press? and would you print it if you did?
ItsReallyQuiteClear says
Axel,
You mean something like “Nearly 1.6 billion Muslims around the world, today managed to not kill anyone in the name of Islam. However, in Barcelona…”?
How do you think the “Islamaphobe police”, of which there are legions, would react to a suggestion that there ought to be regular reports to demonstrate that every Muslim is not committing violent jihad every day?
I would argue that if one wanted a “break” from anti-jihad related news, one would only need to turn to nearly any mainstream news source, which by virtue of not reporting on the vast majority of jihad activity around the world, consistently paints a picture of misunderstood and hatefully persecuted Muslims. This site is one of a relative few sources of information that provides an understanding of the scope and extent of jihad in the world today. Anyone who’s looking for countervailing information will have an easy time finding it. Not so, the opposite.
gravenimage says
Axel, it is not just this Jihad terror attack–there have been *over 31,000* just since 9/11.
And ItsReallyQuiteClear is right–the mainstream press engages in endless whitewash of Islam and ‘feel good’ stories about Muslims–including those that don’t stand much scrutiny.
Sure, there are some Muslims at any given time who are not actively trying to murder us–does that *really* make you feel all that much better? The creed of Islam itself enjoins its followers to slaughter Infidels who do not submit to Islam, and more and more pious Muslims are acting on just that.
Of course you can put your head in the sand regarding this–suicidally, all too many Westerners do.
ItsReallyQuiteClear says
gravenimage,
Thanks for adding the additional facts and logic. Sometimes I think I should change my username to I’mNotAlwaysQuiteClear (except that my username wasn’t intended to refer to me).
dumbledoresarmy says
Read William Kilpatrick’s article, “The Vast Majority Myth”.
http://www.crisismagazine.com/2015/the-vast-majority-myth
Here’s just an excerpt, to give you an idea of some numbers we shouldn’t ignore:
“There is a good deal of polling data to suggest that the vast majority of Muslims are not just your standard-issue vast majority.
“For example, Pew polls of public opinion in Pakistan and Egypt show that the vast majority (about 82 percent) favor stoning for adultery, amputation for theft, and death for apostates.
So, even if a majority in these countries are not personally inclined to violence, they have no problem with the violent application of sharia law…”. REad it. All of it. And have a good long think.
The simple fact is this: got Muslims? Sooner, or later, and usually sooner.. got Jihad.
Because Jihad is Islam’s raison d’etre. Jihad is at the *core* of Islam; as is the grim division of the world in 1/ the Dar al Harb, zone of War, in which live all the rebels against allah, those who refuse to Submit, who live by non-Islamic laws and customs and beliefs, under non-Islamic systems of government and 2/ the Dar al Islam, the region of Submission, populated and dominated by Muslims, where Muslims rule – absolutely – and any non-Muslims who remain are forced to knuckle under and know their place as dirty kuffar who have no rights at all except for whatever their Muslim overlords may – with contempt – choose to grant.. or at any moment, to withdraw.
The Ummah, or Mohammedan mob, the Muslim ‘community’, which dominates – absolutely, and cruelly – 57 countries, many of them very large, in all of which women and non-Muslims are treated badly or even very, very badly – is the sheltering, nurturing sea, within which the Jihadis, the terror raiders, allah’s Enforcers, swim, and from which, naturally and ceaselessly and inevitably, they emerge, like crystals forming out of a saturated solution.
Not all people in an entity that is waging war, do the actual fighting and killing. During WWII, were *all* British citizens members of the RAF?? Usually, in a society that is waging war, it’s a minority who do the active combat: most stand back and cheer them on, many engage in logistical support, some give orders, etc. The terror raiders – liek this raider, or raiders, in Barcelona just now – are just the pointy end of the Jihad spear that is wielded by the Ummah.
Here’s a bit more, from Kilpatrick. He’s not making any of this up. This is fact.
“Why is the sharia penalty for apostasy death? Because Islam understands itself to be an army.
“And the penalty for deserting an army in wartime is death.
“**But for Islam, all times are wartimes. The basic division in the Islamic faith is between the House of Islam and the House of War. ** {and that is why Winston Churchill hit the nail on the head when, way back in the 1890s, discussing war against mohammedan raiders on the north west frontier of the Raj, in a book called “The Story of the Malakand Field Force”, he defined Islam as “the religion of blood and war”. – dda}
“The essential mission given to Muslims is to bring the House of War (all non-Islamic nations) under the control of the House of Islam.
“Like the Spartans, the first Muslims were warriors. Their leader was both a prophet and a warlord.
“Since Muslims are still expected to model their behavior on Muhammad, it’s not surprising that Muslim cultures will be more prone to violence than, say, cultures that take Jesus or Buddha as their inspiration…”.
Read it all. Then reread it, and read it again, until the points he is making have sufficiently sunk in. Then have a long long think about what sorts of policies ALL infidel nations – not just ‘western’ nations, eitheer – should logically have, toward mohammedan entities, and mohammedan would-be ‘immigrants’, in light of the facts that this author describes for us.
Eur says
Confirmed, is an Islamic attack. One of the magrebies is cornered by police in a bar. There is one dead at least (rest in peace). In Catalonia it is where hundreds of thousands of Maghreb have gone, few work and live off social aid. Islam has attacked us again.
gravenimage says
There are now 13 dead, Eur.
dumbledoresarmy says
Condolences to you as a European and to all non-Muslim persons of Spain.
Prayers for the swift recovery of the wounded.
And… *anger*. I am angry with the damn death-worshippers of the Religion of Blood and War. I am even angrier with the grovelling mealymouthed appeasers who are already bleating about how in ‘open societies’ we can’t possibly do anything to defend ourselves against ‘incidents’ (er, BLOODY MURDEROUS ACTS OF WAR!) like this.
Like hell we CAN, with sufficient resolve, once we wake up and realize that the Ummah, collectively IS waging war upon us. A war of attrition, in slow motion, in most parts of the world; but it’s a WAR.
so we treat it as a war and we treat the ummah as a population that is waging war.
Start by shutting down all the enemy bases, i.e. mosques built on Infidel soil. After this attack the Spanish army should surprise-raid and search every damn mosque in Spain. Find *anything* at all, er… peculiar… e.g. traces of explosives, traces of suspect precursor chemicals, weaponry, a beheading video, traces of drug labs or illegal drugs, inexplicable stashes of cash/ identity documents real or faked… shut the damn thing down, level it with explosives, deport the imam or sheikh and other head honchoes, seize all associated assets.
Then slam an absolute flat ban on all further entry of mohammedans into our countries (primarily, by refusing any entry to anyone from an OIC country *except* someone thoroughly proven to be a member of a non-Islamic minority group – e.g. ALL entry of Egyptian passport holders STOPS, NOW, except for persons demonstrated to be of Coptic ancestry and practice).
Then intern all mohammedans (send the army into the mosques during Friday ‘prayers’, to get the most devout in a target-rich environment), and deport all non-citizen mohammedans, and then.. change the law so that mohammedans with Infidel-country citizenship can be sent to their or their parents’/ grandparents’ country of origin. Converts to Islam? – exile, they can migrate to the Islamic country of their choosing – a free one-way ticket. Get rid. Stop letting in; start kicking out.
Then close the borders and prepare to defend, into the foreseeable future.
Oh, and stop ALL ‘aid’ to any Islamic entity, and cut right back on trade. Treat the whole damn Ummah like North Korea. And be prepared to do so in perpetuity.
Phobic-ist says
Two believed dead at this time, and also a report of two gunmem ‘storming’ a nearby restaurant…god, I hate islam.
JawsV says
1 Muslim dead, the other arrested.
Surak says
I read on the Sun’s website a claim that the site of the attack was a kosher store or restaurant – does anyone know?
Esperanza Barco Alonso says
It is a Turkish Restaurant, “Luna de Estambul”.
PRCS says
Some reports state that the van mowed people down.
Other reports indicate someone was driving it.
John A. Marre says
If Spain follows the example of Germany and Sweden, Muslims will be turned into a privileged victim group, and innocent individuals who say “Muslims commit terror attacks” will be thrown into jail.
Paul F Austin says
Here we go again – where there are Muslims there is, INEVITABLY, EVIL AND MAYHEM – and it will not cease, this madness, until we round them up and send them ALL packing. Above all do not listen to their rubbish about Islamaphobia. Just remind them, continually, of the Polish Patron Saint who saved Vienna and the rest of Europe from this baying mob of inbred mongrels – AND KEEP REMINDING THEM ALSO about their CHRISTIANAPHOBIA and that there WILL BE a pay-back time, which cannot come soon enough.
abad says
I am waiting for Moslems in America to condemn the evil acts of Driss Oukabir.
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