This Arab American News story is written as if the Christian preachers were spreading bubonic plague, and of course, for the Muslims interviewed for it, they might as well have been: Islamic law mandates death for those who leave the religion, and so from the Islamic perspective, these preachers were actively endangering the lives of those Muslims to whom they were preaching.
Nonetheless, it is not illegal in the United States to preach Christianity or any other religion. It is only illegal to preach Christianity under Islamic law. But perhaps unsure as to whether Dearborn were under the rule of the U.S. Constitution or Sharia, Dearborn Police Chief Ron Haddad checked with lawyers and got the bad news: “According to our corporation counsel, it appears to be legal to engage in the noted activities under the First Amendment in the park.”
At least he asked this time. A few years ago, Dearborn Police arrested some Christian evangelists for daring to try to preach to Muslims (the video and photos are gone from that link, but you can still get the gist of what happened). But remember: if you’re concerned about the influence of Sharia in the U.S., you’re a racist, bigoted “Islamophobe.”
“Christian missionaries from California proselytize in Hemlock Park,” by Stephen Martin, Arab American News, August 18, 2017 (thanks to Creeping Sharia):
DEARBORN — On August 7 and 8, Christian missionaries from California visited Hemlock Park in East Dearborn. In the span of two days, workers face-painted with children, handed out prizes and shared their faith. A number of the parents who were in the park allowed their children to venture into the event unaware of the religious preaching. Some of the parents didn’t know what their kids were engaged in due to the language barrier.
“According to our corporation counsel, it appears to be legal to engage in the noted activities under the First Amendment in the park, ” Police Chief Ron Haddad told The AANews.
On video obtained by The AANews, which was filmed by Heather Faye and Christy Lynn on Aug. 8, a preacher appears to be proselytizing Christianity to the Dearborn youths. The missionary workers came from all different places, but most were from California, according to one of the missionary workers, Jessica Cserhalmi.
The worrisome thing, Lynn told the Detroit Free Press, is that the missionaries weren’t really approaching the parents.
“They were approaching the children,” she said….
Dearborn resident Labaneya Maisoun wasn’t present for the missionary activities on either Aug. 7 or 8, but did witness the conclusion of a similar event at Hemlock Park toward the end of July, during an Eid al-Fitr celebration. She said she didn’t know if the same missionary workers were in Dearborn on both occasions.
Maisoun said a non-profit Islamic organization was holding the Eid al-Fitr event and that the missionary workers chose that specific day to come to Dearborn. She also said she witnessed a heated exchange between one missionary worker and a parent.
“Some of our sisters wanted to diffuse the problems,” she said. “We don’t want any problems with our Christian brethren. We all have one faith under one God.”
Maisoun said the missionary workers enticed the youth with a henna party, candy and other treats, then preached to the children about Jesus.
“The kids don’t mind, they love Jesus,” she said, adding that the missionary workers are misusing the lack of proficiency in English by the parents, many of whom are newcomers.
The video from August 8 sparked a debate in the community on The Arab American News Facebook page.
“[Hemlock] is a public park and so parents need to be aware of what is happening around them, watch their kids and be present for such moments as this,” said Stephen Coats, who wrote that he has lived in Dearborn since 2001.
“Don’t be the victim, get smart, keep to your own and don’t wait around for Allah to make a decision,” Ayad Succar wrote. “Make it yourself, know what the person with a loudspeaker is saying to your child, know your environment.”…
Grendel's mother says
“They [the preachers] were approaching the children.” So the prospect of an adult armed with a paint brush is more appealing to the child? Do children actually like having their faces painted? Most of the photos I’ve seen show the painted children as numb, annoyed and/or crying from the experience. Listening to someone speak about Jesus can’t be more intrusive or traumatic than having an adult jab at your face with a paint brush and tell you to smile. Ugh!
Greyhound Fancier says
Actually, face painting is a popular feature of many community events. Apparently, most children really like it. Maybe Mohammedan children are different from Christian children in that respect.
gravenimage says
Face painting is actually quite popular with many children–there are lines for the face painting booth at events like the Halfmoon Bay Pumpkin Festival.
But there should be no problem with kids learning about Jesus.
Brien Doyle says
The Lies!! This is about the Lies – the lies that there even was any Jesus.
Sarah says
Are you thinking of Santa?
I’ve seen plenty of babies and young kids reacting the way you’ve described, by having their picture taken with Santa at the shopping centre at Christmastime. But I’ve never seen a kid react badly to face painting, to be honest.
Kids love it. Its creative, its messy and they get to decide what weird and wonderful colours, themes and images that they can have painted onto their faces.
Mark says
As per sharia christians have no right to pray in public let alone convert muslims .
So the outrage is natural.
Andy says
Vets Go Rogue On Michelle Obama At Nascar Race
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZXVXdT0oXYI
Mark Spahn (West Seneca, NY) says
This video is deficient in various ways. For one thing, it is completely off topic. For another, it is labeled “WATCH Crowd of Vets Go Rogue on Michelle Obama At Nascar Race”, but no such scene is shown, only the same, static photograph of Michelle and an orange-shirted spectator. And why is this video narrated with a computer-generated voice that produces unnatural vocal pacing and cadence along with incomprehensible wording (at 0:14, “has turned out to be a B.H. for” [what’s a B.H.?]; at 0:43, “and were joined [by?] Army Sergeant”)?
Andy says
For:Mark Spahn (West Seneca, NY)
I thought you might like this even tho, It is completely off topic
Enjoy!
Andy
Andy says
HMS Pinafore (Opera Australia 2005)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Q-8QhMAnAU
Andy says
Dearborn, Michigan = Islamic No Go Zone in America!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zQFnXEYuY9c
John S. Obeda says
Thank you Andy for the video especially about Dearborn. I blame our clueless politicians in permitting so many Islamists to come into our country.Makes me so sad. I used to live in Wyandotte in the fifties which is near Dearborn. Unfaithful politicians!
gravenimage says
Exactly Mark–this is not allowed under Shari’ah law, which is what Muslims want to impose here.
Barbara Norcross says
Are you serious? When did I move to some muslim dump-I thought this was America.
Guest says
“Apears to be legal?” “Don’t be a victim?” It sounded like a fun little fair for children. It was optional for attending and damn straight it was legal. Damn California is run by Liberals
Rob Crawford says
This was in Dearborn, Michigan.
Which is also run by fascists.
gravenimage says
Dearborn, Michigan, is not in California.
mortimer says
Is it LEGAL in the United States to invite Muslims to leave Islam and preach another religion to Muslims? You betcha!
The First Amendment to the United States Constitution ensures that there is no prohibition on the free exercise of religion, abridging the freedom of speech, infringing on the freedom of the press, interfering with the right to peaceably assemble. The First Amendment means there is NO ESTABLISHED or OFFICIAL RELIGION in the United States and thus NO RELIGIOUS LAW or BLASPHEMY LAW MAY BE IMPOSED upon Americans.
Mickey says
Not all Muslims are even Americans. You pointed it out yourself: “NO RELIGIOUS LAW OR BLASPHEMY LAW MAY BE IMPOSED UPON AMERICANS.” So I don’t get your point. Islam is not a religion. It is a cult. One thing we can definitely say about Islam is that is it not solely confined to a belief system. If it is a religion it is not a religion only. Islam is a total system of life and contains within itself a particular social system, judicial system, and political system which includes geo-political aspirations – the conquest and administration of territory. THIS IS NOT COHESIVE WITH THE US CONSTITUTION. Often liken Islam to a duck-billed platypus which superficially resembles an otter. Upon closer examination, one finds this animal has a duck-like bill, lays eggs, and has many other characteristics which are not otter-like. So it cannot therefore remain in the biological category containing otters. It is simply too different and has to have its own category. I believe the same thing is true of Islam. It is much too different from the other religions to remain in the religion category, it should be uniquely classified in its own category.
We can also say that our constitution already says:
1952 Immigration and Nationality Act, a.k.a. the McCarran-Walter Act(An act to revise the laws relating to immigration, naturalization, and nationality; and for other purposes)
H.R. 13342; Pub.L. 414; 182 Stat. 66.
82nd Congress; June 27, 1952.
SUMMARY
Otherwise known as the McCarran-Walter Act, the Immigration and Nationality Act of 1952 was meant to exclude certain immigrants from immigrating to America, post World War II and in the early Cold War. The McCarran-Walter Act moved away from excluding immigrants based simply upon country of origin. Instead it focused upon denying immigrants who were UNLAWFUL, IMMORAL (which we can say these Muslims are immoral due to the fact that they believe in rape, marrying little girls and incest) immoral, DISEASED (first of all we have these refugees coming here with TB) in any way, POLITICALLY RADICAL, (Muslims don’t believe in our Constitutional Republic or our laws, thus they want to implement Sharia) etc. and accepting those who were willing and able to ASSIMILATE into the US ECONOMIC, SOCIAL and POLITICAL STRUCTURES, which restructured how immigration law was handled
mortimer says
Mickey, Islam is a religio-political ideology or a politico-religious ideology or a mosque inside a state or a state with an adjoining door into a mosque.
Islamic sects must be registered as separate religions in the US. So they benefit from the freedom of religion provision.
However, Aztec priests may not offer human sacrifices to Acolnahuacatl (the god of war), Huitzilopochtli (the god of day) and Tezcatlipoca (the god of night) in the United States.
The US has no hate speech law, so the Koran cannot be banned.
Dwayne Austin says
Just like Mormons can’t “legally” have more than one wife…yet.
marina says
Muslims are so tolerant ! As if those children are going to convert to christianity right away after learning about Jesus.
mortimer says
Children? Glad that came up. How about the various programs throughout the US and TEXTBOOKS that are devised to PROSELYTIZE AMERICAN SCHOOLCHILDREN into Islam with TAXPAYER MONEY?
Hmmmm.
The Christian churches evangelizing in Dearborn are paid for by the church members… not taxpayers. They are exercising their First Amendment freedom of religion, freedom of speech and assembly.
Sharia law is illegal in the US as civil law… so the objection to street evangelism is irrelevant under US law.
Greyhound Fancier says
Yet the Mohammedans claim that they believe in Issa, too. So what is the problem?
Issa and Jesus of Nazareth have little in common. Oh yes, Allah can’t have a Son. Jesus didn’t die on a cross. Jesus can’t take away a sinner’s guilt and shame.
Forgot. Mohammedan theology must be placed first and respected ahead of truth.
gravenimage says
Yes, Greyhound Fancier–the Muslim “Issa” is *nothing* like the Jesus of the Gospels.
mortimer says
Labaneya Maisoun thinks that ‘We all have one faith under one God.’
Actually, we don’t have the same faith. 97% of Americans do NOT adhere to a faith that endorses wife-beating, sex slaves, FGM, subjugation of disbelievers, warfare against disbelievers, hand-chopping, head-chopping, blasphemy censorship, pedophilia, polygamy, sacred lying, politico-religious supremacism, Arab racial supremacism, and terrorism.
dsinc says
And cruelty to animals.
abad says
Bingo.
Allah is NOT the God of the Bible.
gravenimage says
Spot on, Mortimer and dsinc.
Joe says
I also took offense at that sentence. Even if I had no faith and Islam was the only option, I wouldn’t take it. Most other religions have something offer. A religion that constantly tells you to hate is hardly a religion. I didn’t learn about the hate in Islam from anyone telling me about it; I found it on nearly every page of the Koran as I was reading it. That is not a “faith” that I share.
Rob says
Me too. I was curious about Islam so I started studying it. And WHAM…talk about a head slap! I was totally shocked at what I discovered about Islam and now tell everyone I meet that Islam and Christianity most definitely DO NOT worship the same God. And Islam’s Jesus is most assuredly NOT Christianity’s Jesus in action, purpose, teachings or divinity. Now every time I hear or see a politician/religious leader/community leader/celebrity/newscaster/simple idiot spout off about “the religion of peace” I want to punch him/her in the face and shout “WAKE UP”!!!
mortimer says
If Muslim children ‘love Jesus’ as is claimed, there should be no objection to the Muslim children reading the actual words and deeds of Jesus in the New Testament.
Andy says
To ALL moslems in western nations, FIT IN OR F..K OFF!!!
Patriots fight back!! All western nations claim your heritage back!
AMERICAN, CANADIAN, EUROPEANS BAND TOGETHER!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1KsljBj3UEI
Andy says
continuing, Australians and add your country to this space
if you don’t want to become a slave of left wing moslem run governments.!
ALL patriots come together around the world!!
Savvy Kafir says
What are patriots going to DO about the Muslim invasion of the West, once they “come together”?
Anyone have a plan? One that can actually save us?
Andy says
Fresh off the last hoax
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lZajNu8UTWM
mortimer says
Andy, you are deranged.
Andy says
Well mortimer, someone has to be!
Cheers!
Andy
Andy says
and my add mortimer,at least I’m not cutting off heads! Like some people do. So I do have some redeeming qualities.
Andy.
Guy Forester says
The narrator took an awfully long time to point out the obvious. I could not bear to watch it to the end. The reason to get angry is that your more recent arrivals to these islands are targeting the current population for rape, murder, and cultural annihilation.
I am sure that when the Angles, Saxons, and Jutes moved in, they did to the Celtic tribes what the Celts did to the tribes before them. The Normans mainly dominated, rather than try to exterminate the Anglo-Saxon populace.
Unfortunately, the current populace appears to be targeted for extermination. Maybe you should make that point, and make it a lot quicker. The people of Australia and New Zealand need to recognize they are in danger as well. American politicians know damn well what is going on and refuse to recognize it, name it, and combat it.
At some point the American citizens need to wake up or will find themselves to be boiled frogs.
Andy says
You are right on with your comment Guy!
Muslim Migrants Were Blocking The Highway
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BN0K57r_qIE
Mark Spahn (West Seneca, NY) says
In the “I’m and Englishman” video, at 4:33: “Do I have anything against people of other races? No. Would I prevent them from coming into my home? No.”
What an unusual personal policy: letting anyone enter your home as long as they are of a different race from you. It is not worth listening to you, or to your boring organ music. Here’s some more-stirring English patriotic music:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-kiLApX8FbQ
mortimer says
Mark, that G&S song is a spoof poking fun at overboard chauvinism and intolerance.
Andy says
I have H.M.S. Pinafore on DVD. My son’s girlfriend is an opera singer. A little lady with a BIG voice! But alas Mark Spahn (West Seneca, NY) we are getting off topic!
Cheers!
Andy
Hope says
Come on Spencer, hit the iron wall harder and harder and it wont even move a millimeter ever or it appears not to move! But forces in universe are watching you and one day perhaps some them may align with you, help you push and destroy the wall! Keep up the hope. Do the best, hope for the best and prepare for the worst…
Dude says
Indeed. Obviously jihad watch is becoming a threat if PayPal wants to eliminate them.
Patience. This is a multi generational battle.
Kepha says
The oak and the calf, as Solzhenitsyn put it re his own struggle with the Soviet state.
Wellington says
“We all have one faith under one God.”
Nope, got that wrong, Muslima. We’re talking two very, very different faiths with Christianity and Islam and the God of the Mohammedans, while partially drawn from the Judeo-Christian God, is really an amalgam of various deities and, frankly, a rip-off of the Judeo-Christian conception of the Godhead. In short, while I don’t know if the Judeo-Christian God exists, I am certain that Allah doesn’t (or in the alternative, if Allah does exist and Islam is the true faith, then, as I have written before here at JW, this is a very creepy universe and the deity’s a cosmic jerk, something I would never aver about Judaism or Christianity).
Also, I would like to say that it “appears” to me that freedom of speech and freedom of religion is guaranteed by the First Amendment here in America. I would also like to say that it “appears” to me that freedom of speech and freedom of religion are not allowed per the Islamic view of things.
Michael Copeland says
Islamic State demolished the tomb of Christian St. Elian.
They said it was dedicated to a “god other than Allah”.
Wellington says
Tending to prove my point. Thank you, Michael Copeland.
Greyhound Fancier says
If Allah were the one true God, I’ll prefer atheism, thank you.
Wellington says
Count me in, Greyhound Fancier. If Allah is the one true God, then all of noble soul must emulate Prometheus and defy this monstrous imitation of Zeus (N.B., whatever faults Zeus had, and they were many, I would still in a heartbeat take Zeus over Allah).
PRCS says
Oh, my. You’re making me look things up.
Dwayne Austin says
Zeus was a Nephilim (see Genesis 6), who were known cannibals. In factl, what did Zeus’ mother do when he was born, in fear that his father would eat him? That is one of the reasons God ordered the Israelites to kill all Canaanites, which carried the same DNA as Zeus, which they failed to accomplish.
epistemology says
Agreed, I believe in G*d, the Jewish way, but I accept agnostics of course and I’m as sure as you are that Allah the moon idol doesn’t exist. As for the First Amendment I’ve said here quite often that I really envy you Americans because you’ve got it. It’s a unique treasure and anyway the United States is a country with a Judeo-Christian majority, let’s keep that in mind and the Muslims have to accept that. We can live peacefully with all other faiths: Hindus, Buddhists, Sikhs, Animists, Jainies etc. whatever. Only Muslims always cause problems on account of their supremacy.
I read your answer to my comment about America, Russis and China very carefully and I’m amazed how much we have in common. You took the words right off my mouth. Kicking Erdogan out of NATO is long overdue, however what’s even more important for us Europeans is to kick him out of the European Council. Turkey and Europe are worlds apart. It’s horrible to have this uncivilized country in our vicinity.
You probably heard about Arkani (don’t know to spell him correctly) the Turkish/German writer who was arrested in Spain according to Erdogan’s wish. This guy spent his holidays in Spain, it was no political trip. What Erdogan does is outrageous, he’s a scumbag, no people in any civilized country should listen to him.
All the best and take care my friend, you always impress me.
Wellington says
Best to you too, my friend. Good to know we’re on the same page with much. Take good care.
somehistory says
“We all have one faith under one God.”
This is a big fat lie
But since she said it, she should be made to eat it…to own it…to either shut up about the Christians in the public park or admit that they don’t have the same “faith under one God.”
And that she actually hates her “Christian” “brethren” whom she does not see as “brethren.”
WPM says
I like that saying by Ayad Succar “keep to your own” I think the KKK and Nazis had the same ideas not too P.C. that cult known as Islam.
Make it known yourself what that person with the loudspeaker is saying.
I guess the person with the loudspeaker was hurting the children with the idea that God is a loving and forgiving God, that all people are his children is a very scary though.
Know your environment
Yes do not let your kids run out of your sight in public park in an Islamic area other Islamics may think they are Kafir children who knows what could happen!
I have had many people come to my front door trying to convert me I tell them I am not interested ,had people at airports ect same thing. Had people try to sell me something over the phone mail ect.It is part of being in a free country if you do not like it you can go back to Nazi ,I mean Islamic hellhole you escape from for the free American goodies that you got for planting your racist Islamic Ass here and watch your kids in public areas like every normal adult!
abad says
Once again:
Christians want to convert you.
Moslems want to kill you.
D Austin says
“According to our corporation counsel, it appears to be legal to engage in the noted activities under the First Amendment in the park.”
Translation: The corporation could get sued for very big bucks if the secular government tries to pull any Sharia crap in this country.
Expect to see packs of Muslim thugs trying to intimidate Christians in the future, while the police do nothing.
RonaldB says
“Some of the parents didn’t know what their kids were engaged in due to the language barrier.”
Are these parents citizens? If not, what are they doing in the country? If they are, isn’t a requirement for citizenship that they know English?
If they come to the US and live as Americans, it is their responsibility to learn English.
Dearborn maintains the appearance of being in the US, so they still have to be bound by US laws. If any US jurisdiction is given the option to implement sharia through “voluntary”, “private” courts, the US Constitutional guarantees will be invalidated unless reinforced by a strong outside police presence. In other words, parts of our own country will be an occupied force.
Anyway, first criteria for removing anybody from the country: Muslim, Mexican, Iranian, whatever: they can’t speak English.
John A. Marre says
Yes, it’s legal, and no, it’s not legal for Muslims to kill Muslims who leave the Cult of Death and Destruction.
Mo says
“Dearborn Muslims in uproar over Christian proselytizing”
The appropriate response to this should be, so what?
” A number of the parents who were in the park allowed their children to venture into the event unaware of the religious preaching. Some of the parents didn’t know what their kids were engaged in due to the language barrier.”
Again, so what? It’s YOUR responsibility as a parent to keep track of where your children are and what they are doing.
It’s also YOUR responsibility to learn the language of the country where you live and to teach that language to your children.
“According to our corporation counsel, it appears to be legal to engage in the noted activities under the First Amendment in the park, ” Police Chief Ron Haddad told The AANews.”
I love how they say that with such surprise, like it’s the first time they’ve ever heard such a fact.
somehistory says
It is the parent’s responsibility to watch their children. Parents are the guardians of their children.
Perverts lurk in parks and playgrounds to lure children away. Would the moslums complain if perverts were lurking, “looking for a lost kitten” or would they just ask the pervert, “Are you moslum?” If “yes” then they would have no problem or complaint.
gravenimage says
Dearborn Muslims in uproar over Christian proselytizing, police chief admits it “appears to be legal”
………………….
What–free speech is still legal in the United States, and this police chief appears to have noticed it? Oh, the humanity!
Why isn’t speaking to Muslims about a faith other than Islam illegal, as it is in most Muslim countries under “blasphemy” laws?
Good lord…
Wellington says
What concerns me most, gravenimage, is the police chief’s use of the word “appears.” This in and of itself is disconcerting, if not ominous.
eduardo odraude says
It shows which side he’s on. Even though it’s patently obvious the activity is legal, he says it merely “appears” to be legal — like he’s telegraphing to Muslims that he’s still holding on to the last shred of a possibility that it’s not legal. I guess he’s the SOB who had his police arrest the Christian missionaries David Wood and others a while back.
mortimer says
The police chief’s cautious language (‘appears’) is deference to the legal profession and the courts. The chief is just admitting he does not make the law.
Dwayne Austin says
You aren’t around lawyers very much, are you? They would never say the Christians WILL win this one. They would say “appears”, “most likely”, “probably”, “in all likelihood”. No lawyer can predict with absolute certainty what the judicial system will do in any case.
You need to get past your street slang, and understand that law is words, and those words have precise meaning.
somehistory says
If I recall correctly, Wellington is a retired Law professor.
And saying it “appears legal” is not the same as saying someone will “win a case” that might end up in court.
Also, the pd chief is a moslum…also going by my memory of past articles on Dearborn and the moslum problem there with anyone not bowing to their ideas.
somehistory says
Saying it “appears legal” seems to me to mean he intends to try to find a way for it not to be. But in the moment, the moslums must be patient and wait on him to find a way around it.
Much like was done so the moslum was made a police officer because he was moslum. Finding a way they can bend the rules, bend the law and use the law to their sole advantage is what they do.
Wellington says
Dwayne Anderson: I’m around lawyers all the time, in part because I am one myself. So is my sister, brother-in-law, friends, acquaintances, etc.
And no street slang here, nor do I agree with your assessment of how lawyers use words (or police chiefs). Often times, they are unambiguously clear what a word or phrase means, for instance, the word “murder” versus “manslaughter,” or “preponderance of the evidence” versus “beyond a reasonable doubt.”
Rethink things here. That is if your pride will let you and your ignorance retreats.
Dwayne Austin says
Wellington, the name is Austin, not Anderson. Do you make those same mistakes reading statutes, ordinances, case law, and court rules?
In addition, “murder”, “manslaughter,” “preponderance of the evidence”, “beyond a reasonable doubt.” , are defined by statutes, case law, and court rules. And on rare occasion, the old Common Law. Although this country is pretty much under the old Roman Civil Law now (post “Erie Railroad Co. v. Tompkins” and all of that rot). Show me a definition that says you WIN your case. Throwing out legalese jargon for other readers doesn’t make your argument.
Wellington says
Sorry, Dwayne, but I just didn’t really care that much about your last name. Still don’t. Doubt I ever will. By contrast, you got something much more wrong than I did, i.e., that I’m not around lawyers very much. Blew that one, didn’t you?
I also think you think that Civil Law (Roman Law) dominates more than it does here in America (except for Louisiana of course). Common Law (English law) still predominates a good bit, for instance with the power of judges which Roman Law reduces to a minimum but which Common Law still allows a tremendous latitude for, a very recent example being how federal judges in the states of Washington and Hawaii put a stay on President Trump’s clearly constitutional (and very limited) travel ban, a ban that even a very liberal law professor like Alan Dershowitz said was perfectly constitutional. It was fake law of course by these judges but it demonstrates how stare decisis is not all that controlling after all, though admittedly still more important in Common Law (by far) than under Roman Law, but the larger and more pertinent issue here being just how alive Common Law still is in America, even if it is implemented badly.
As for your upholding of the police chief’s use of the word “appears,” the Constitution and the law does not require the use of weasel words. This police chief’s use of the word “appears” has weasel written all over it. Just as the Constitution is not a suicide pact, so is it not a constitution for the timid.
Your turn, Dwayne Anderson. Excuse me your majesty, Dwayne Austin.
davej says
Exactly, he makes it sound like he wishes it was not legal.
eduardo odraude says
As Wellington put it, the “police chief’s use of the word “appears” has weasel written all over it.”
WorkingClassPost says
Whatever happened to the multi-faith dialogue and wanting to learn about the culture of their host country?
The next thing will be sharia patrols in the park to stop Christian preachers, somehow I don’t think that USA will fold so easily.
eduardo odraude says
In 2010, the brilliant Islam critic and Christian evangelist David Wood wrote to Robert Spencer about Dearborn:
Unless I’m mistaken, Wood and Nabeel took Dearborn and its police chief to court and won.
Guy Forester says
I lived in a muslim country for a while and I can assure you that there are many muslims that are interested in learning about Christianity and would leave islam if they could.
I would like to get more details on this story as the info seems slanted. If the adults willingly let children go and get face painted and “entertained” by the story hour (how it is usually presented) then there is no problem. I would recommend the Christians involved to saturate the Dearborn and surrounding areas with multi-language radio and TV programs that promote the Bible and Christianity, similar to the way Billy Graham did it, then have a Graham style open air evangelizing series. Hint: do not call it a crusade!
I can assure you that any muslims that go to these will get pressure put on them to stop going. They will get death threats if they convert. This means the local churches need to support these people in many ways. Job leads, safe havens, and emotional support.
simpleton1 says
Many good points there Guy Forester.
Even if others support a “teacher” “tutor” as is shown with the face paint, baggage carrier, or maybe quietly filming in the background, not to publicly show, but to note if any intimidation occurs, or what may be claimed as false accusations, like “kid nap” etc. of the children.
Enhance any points of security discretely, or the need to bear witness if an arrest or court case occurs.
Father Zakaria Botros has many video’s that he broad cast to the Middle East, and I am sure he would be more than happier for them to be re broad cast locally. On You tube and here at jihad watch.
It may also get past the language barriers too;
Even for ourselves, as he does put things together very well about islam and christianity 🙂
He must be doing something effective as he has a $50 million bounty on his head.
It is wonderful, in that we may not see the fruits of it immediately,. but questions will be raised about Jesus In later life, some thought and consideration will help any one seeking more meaning in their religion and where to go for it.
Guy Forester says
Thank you. I think our evangelists need to reassess where we are sending people to witness and how. Many of these people would listen to radio or watch on TV, or on line, or DVD’s out of public view. I have been told that these people will often show up at evangelistic meetings. Multiple methods will be needed and various forms of support as well.
Davegreybeard says
Given that the absolute first priority of the Counter Jihad is to inform Infidels as to the true nature of Islam, and that an apostate from Islam is worth her/his weight in gold in furthering this effort; we should find out who these proselytizing Christians are and give them all the assistance we can.
Such assistance could be monetary, security, or simply sharing the in depth knowledge many of us have regarding Muhammad, Sharia and Islam in general.
It would be great if this group was in contact with the Counter Jihad Coalition.
Alm says
One lf the best things I did was buy some books. Then read them.
Ie some copies of the Koran and the Hadith.
Now I will never dignify Islam with a response.
Other than NO.
eduardo odraude says
David Wood is perhaps the most brilliant of them. He’s made so many brilliant video critiques of Islam, and I’m sure gotten many many Muslims to leave Islam. Here’s one video of his that I like a lot:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UPLqVL4GHVU
Mark Spahn (West Seneca, NY) says
This video is deficient in various ways. For one thing, it is completely off topic. For another, it is labeled “WATCH Crowd of Vets Go Rogue on Michelle Obama At Nascar Race”, but no such scene is shown, only the same, static photograph of Michelle and an orange-shirted spectator. And why is this video narrated with a computer-generated voice that produces unnatural vocal pacing and cadence along with incomprehensible wording (at 0:14, “has turned out to be a B.H. for” [what’s a B.H.?]; at 0:43, “and were joined [by?] Army Sergeant”)?
DiMu says
Bring back the Crusades!
mortimer says
DiMU, are you nuts? We now have nukes. Calm down.
Dwayne Austin says
Governments have the nukes, not John Q Public, and the gov’t won’t drop them on “no-go” neighborhoods.
Lydia says
That last paragraph is the hammer too. As if to say; know your enemy.
And they go around spreading their religion and waging jihad, but when we share our faith, oh boy, look out!
By the way, that one person interviewed was totally incorrect, we do NOT have the same faith, and it is NOT under the same God. Totally different faith, totally different God, ours is real, theirs is totally opposite and a false god.
I go out in the parks in the area and share the Christian faith of the Bible with all including muslims, and won’t stop for any of this nonsense!
John S. Obeda says
God bless your work Lydia and protect you from all harm and danger.
zachary says
They need to be deported every stinking one of them before it is too late.
Flavius Claudius Iulianus says
This brings to mind the videos of the amazing David Wood and Nabeel Qureshi’s tribulations while preaching at the Arab festival in Michigan.
eur says
In the same way that I hate Islamic proselytism, I also detest evangelistic proselytism.
eduardo odraude says
eur,
Even if it is assumed that both Islam and Christianity are fantasies, they lead to very different social outcomes. Islam leads to totalitarian societies. Christianity leads, over time, to open societies. There are numerous doctrinal reasons for those different outcomes.
Examples:
Islam makes no distinction between religion and state. Muhammad, the prime Islamic exemplar became the ruler of a theocracy. Whereas Christianity has always, if to begin with in unclear and confused ways, made a distinction between the realm of religion and that of state. The prime Christian exemplar said, “Give to Caesar the things that are Caesar’s, to God the things that are God’s.” Because of that, the percentage of Christians who want to set up a totalitarian theocracy really is vanishingly small. The “Give to Caesar” statement and many other statements attributed to Christ contributed over time to the creation of a culture that produced the First Amendment.
The Islamic paradigm conceives the relation between Allah and human beings as that of master and servant. The Qur’an explicitly denies that Allah has any children. The Qur’an also declares that nothing is made in the likeness of Allah. The biblical paradigm conceives the relation between human beings and God as that between children and father. The Bible says human beings are made in the image of God.
In Islam, to be creative is, in the words of the brilliant Daniel Boorstin, “a rash and dangerous act,” because creativity is reserved to Allah. Whereas in the Judeo-Christian paradigm, human beings are to imitate the creative activity of God: “to be fruitful and multiply,” for example.
In Islam, because the relation of Allah to human beings is that of master to servant, the Qur’an is not primarily a covenant or agreement or contract between Allah and human beings. The biblical paradigm by contrast is based on covenants between God and human beings. Thus, for example, European serfdom was conceived after that pattern of a contractual relationship. And because it was conceived that way, it could evolve over time into something better. For similar reasons, the first slavery abolition movement was started by a Christian working from Christian convictions: Wilberforce. Democracy comes not just from ancient Greece, but also from the contractual paradigm in the Bible.
So it is absolutely wrongheaded, even if you are an atheist, to think all religions are equally dangerous to you. Bill Maher and Sam Harris are both clear on this issue. Like you, they are hostile to religion, but unlike you, they understand that Christianity is infinitely preferable to Islam. Christian proselytizers can save you from an Islamic totalitarian outcome and perhaps do so more effectively than secular and atheist proselytizers, though both are needed: this should be a big tent with all kinds of resistance.
Empirically, too, your equating of the two religions makes no sense. All you need do is look at the human rights situation in the Muslim-majority nations. They have the worst human rights record of any region in the world (speaking particularly of the Middle East and North Africa). Whereas Christian-majority nations on average have the best human rights records.
D Austin says
Detest evangelistic proselytism? So you must be pro Catholic. An organization that thinks it is entitled to rule over all religions and all governments. If the Vatican gets its way, there can only be ONE religion and ONE government.
As for sucking up to Islam, there are two reasons the Catholic Church for now is making it appear it supports a Palestinian state and greater Muslim influence over Jerusalem. First, this effort undermines Israel’s control over the city. When it comes to diminishing Israel’s grip on Jerusalem and its holy sites, Catholic officials are happy to let the Palestinians do the dirty work.
Second, the Vatican’s endorsement of Palestinian statehood provides ideal cover for its own ambition to assume control of Jerusalem from the Jews. Catholic authorities in recent months have increased their political initiatives for Catholic control over some sites in Jerusalem.The Vatican wants to take the Temple Mount. Why? I personally believe they’ve already got it. And I also believe that if they’re building the infrastructure for a Two State Solution, in other words the check points that are there in Jerusalem that have been constructed on Highway 1.
At the very least, the Vatican’s endorsement of Palestinian statehood is political chicanery. More than likely, it’s a calculated ruse, part of a Trojan horse strategy by which the Vatican seeks to gain the trust of the Palestinians and international community before more actively staking its claim to Jerusalem and its holy sites. To internationalize Jerusalem, to fake a Millennial Reign it’s exactly what they’re doing. Whatever happens, don’t expect the Vatican to stand by and cheer as Muslims assume control of Christianity’s holy sites. That will NEVER happen.
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Baucent says
…”don’t wait around for Allah to make a decision,”
Best advice I have heard today.
FYI says
Here’s an idea..
A big placard with all of God’s Original Commandments written on it.
The SIXTH one needs to be underlined because allah,funnily enough,in his perfect book, seems to have completely misunderstood that when he said that muslims are free to kill innocent unbelieving “infidels” :he was teaching his followers to do something that is actually..
a)Intentional Homicide or MURDER
b)Condemned by God’s Sixth Commandment
c)morally wrong
since allah didn’t bother to include an enumerated list of those all-important Commandments of God in his perfect book{..he also completely forgot the essential Two chief Commandments of God…}it is the case that many muslims do not appear to be familiar with .them.
You may note that God clearly condemns Murder,Stealing,Adultery,Lying in His Laws.
allah doesn’t agree with them…murdering is ok(as long as it is infidels),stealing (and taking money from infidels in the jizya tax is.. theft),Adultery(is fine with allah as long as “your right hand possesses “the woman) and lying(,,Taqqiya?Is that telling the truth or is it..lying!)
{God’s Laws} versus {allah’s equivocations}?
It is really easy to figure it out..
martin says
Allah AKA…..SATAN
martin says
The depraved, corrupt and lying evil nature of muslims.
Screeminmeeme says
I live in Michigan. I know Dearbornistan. In some sectors, looks like a Baghdad ghetto. It’s a hotbed for Islamic terrorism.
It should be nuked.
Chris Evans says
I wonder if any of those female Muslim children were actually not the “child” of the supervising adult, but their “wife”. According to the following fatwa, issued in 2006, Muslims are instructed that it is permissible for them to lie to western authorities as necessary to marry and have sex with prepubescent children. This is because as they state, such “man-made laws contradict Islamic law”.
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Fatwa Date : Safar 23, 1427 / 23-3-2006
Question
How is it possible to obtain the age of marriage in western countries?
Answer
All perfect praise be to Allaah, The Lord of the Worlds. I testify that there is none worthy of worship except Allaah, and that Muhammad is His slave and Messenger. We ask Allaah to exalt his mention as well as that of his family and all his companions.
If you mean that it is forbidden in those countries to marry before a given age, and you want to marry before this age, then you may marry without authenticating the marriage in official registers, and that you should put in official papers an age that is suitable to the required age of marriage. However, the conditions of a correct marriage should be met, like the presence of the guardian and two witnesses. There is no harm in deceiving such man-made laws that are contradicting the Islamic Law, as long as tricking these laws does not affect or harm the Muslim in himself and his wealth, and bearing the difficulties of such harm is harder than bearing the difficulties of not marrying, and provided that one does not fear to commit what Allaah has forbidden (illegal sexual intercourse).
Allaah Knows best.
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This can be found online at:
(www.islamweb.net) or
(http://www.islamweb.net/emainpage/index.php?page=showfatwa&Id=91432&Option=FatwaId) or
(http://www.islamweb.net/emainpage/index.php?page=fatwa) and choose “fatwa number” option then enter 91432 in search window
Wade says
Article said they approached children. It also said there was a language barrier. Old folks have not learned English so you cannot say anything they would nderstand. Love howevwe is a universal language. God is love. Allah is hate and suspicion. In fact love is hate and hate is love in Islam just as it is in the Democrat Party. They work well together.
Remember Christians are those odd people who stand and sing “On Christ the solid rock I stand all other ground is sinking sand.”
Phil Copson says
“….“Some of our sisters wanted to diffuse the problems,”….”
“de-fuse” it, not “diffuse” it……