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Former MI5 top dog says UK will face jihad threat for next 30 years

Aug 13, 2017 8:22 pm By Robert Spencer

Only 30 years? Considering the fact that the jihad against Infidels has been going on for 1,400 years, Jonathan Evans is remarkably optimistic. What does he think will happen in 30 years? Does he think that by then the problem of “radicalization” among Muslims will have been solved by a package of economic and social benefits? Or does he think that by then the UK will have surrendered fully and adopted Sharia? The latter is much more likely than the former, although it’s unlikely that he had that possibility on his mind, which is part of the problem in itself.

“UK will face Islamist terror threat for next 30 years, former MI5 chief warns,” by Jack Maidment, Telegraph, August 11, 2017:

The UK is likely to face an Islamist terrorist threat for the next 30 years, the former head of MI5 has warned.

Jonathan Evans, who stepped down as director general of the spy agency in 2013, described the threat as a “generational problem” which will take decades to tackle.

Lord Evans also claimed the Westminster Bridge attack earlier this year may have had an energising effect on extremists….

Lord Evans, who now sits in the House of Lords as a crossbench peer, told BBC Radio 4’s Today programme: “I think on the terrorism side we are at least 20 years into this. My guess is that we will still be dealing with the long tail in another 20 years time.

“I think this is genuinely a generational problem. When I left MI5 in 2013 if I had been asked I would have said that I thought that we probably were over the worst of the al-Qaeda threat.

“That may have been true but of course not the development and emergence of IS with the same ideology and many of the same people.

“I think that we are going to be facing 20, 30 years of terrorist threats and therefore we need absolutely critically to persevere and just keep doing it.”

The former spy chief said that the London bombings in July 2005 triggered an “energising effect on the extremist networks in the UK” and that he thought there would be a similar feeling following the Westminster Bridge attack earlier this year.

He said: “We did see a huge upsurge in threat intelligence after July 7 and I suspect that there’s the same sort of feeling in the period after the Westminster Bridge attack – that a lot of people who thought ‘I’d like to do this’ suddenly decided ‘yep, if they can do it, then I can do it’.”

Since the atrocity in March, there were attacks in Manchester, London Bridge and Finsbury Park.

Mark Rowley, the head of National Counter Terrorism Policing, told Radio 4 that the “change in tempo” in terms of the frequency of attacks and plots faced by the UK has been “quite dramatic”.

He said: “In February Andrew Parker (MI5 director general) and I would have spoken about in four years foiling 13 plots and how that felt quite a challenge and then over a few months we had four successful attacks and at the same time we stopped six more plots.

“That number of 10 over a few months compared to 13 over four years illustrates the change in tempo that we have seen which is a real challenge for us and that’s why we are going to have to do some things differently.”

The assistant commissioner of the Metropolitan Police also said the police needed help from communities to tackle terror because of the thousands of people who are subjects of interest to the security services.

He said: “Our ability to keep our radar on them, that’s no longer just just a job for police and security services….

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  1. Wellington says

    Aug 13, 2017 at 8:43 pm

    It need not be thirty, not even twenty or ten, if only Islam, all of this effing religion, were properly identified for the prototype for Nazism which it surely is.

    But it very probably won’t be identified as such. And thus it will be thirty years——or forty——-or fifty——-or…or…. or…..

    Ah, misidentifying can produce such terrible consequences. For thirty years. Or even more.

    • Terry Gain says

      Aug 13, 2017 at 8:57 pm

      I think it is ridiculously optimistic to think it will take as much as 30 years for Muslims to take over England.

      • Bob says

        Aug 14, 2017 at 5:21 am

        Yes, especially as our politicos seem afraid to face up to the problem – looking for ‘islamophobia’ rather than islamic terrorists!Oh, there is such a thing as Christianophobia which is committed every day, but is ignored!

        • william says

          Aug 14, 2017 at 6:45 am

          THAT’S FOR DAMN SURE!!

    • mortimer says

      Aug 14, 2017 at 12:19 am

      It needn’t be 30 years, if UK puts its BRAINS and RESOURCES into ABSOLUTE DEPROGRAMMING… making it INTELLECTUALLY and MORALLY IMPOSSIBLE for a reasonable person to be a Muslim. All the facts about this misogynistic, supremacist DEATH CULT are known. It is no longer intellectually sustainable to be a Muslim.

      Islam is now seen to be a hoax created by the caliphs with which to justify their crimes against humanity.

      • Winith says

        Aug 14, 2017 at 2:25 am

        Sooner we create bus/lorry/car batteries which will run for 6 hours on a 5 minute charge.
        Sooner we can get rid of Muslims. It all depends on battery

        • Frank Anderson says

          Aug 14, 2017 at 3:03 am

          Winith, I believe we may agree on 1 particular question: How can a “reasonable” person follow Islam in the first place? Sooner or later in the process of learning the gory details of its teachings and history a “reasonable” person would find nothing but “unreasonable” evil at every turn. For several months, through several articles, a number of people have wondered at Mortimer’s posts beating a drum for “deprogramming” and are amazed that he has never offered a word or source of explanation or support for the proposal. Could it be the suggestion is merely a device to get us off the subject? Mortimer has never once answered. Some day the answer will be shown.

      • harbidoll says

        Aug 14, 2017 at 7:21 am

        U dont understand :parallel societies. They dont watch TV, go to movies or govt. schools or listen to pop music. So how are they/we to “re-educate or even talk to them? Sports is haram . There is All Muslim sports in US. no mixing.

      • Westman says

        Aug 14, 2017 at 8:45 am

        Mortimer, I wish I could agree that deprogramming Islam is possible. I see a clash coming on a scale of the world wars and that nothing short of the kind of devastation that unseated the Emperor of Japan, as God, will end the viability of Islam.

        Past religions have been discarded when they no longer had the capacity to make predictions in the real world, had no answers for a current, persistent problems, became detrimental to the survival of the believer, or, the “god” was perceived to have no power to influence devastating events(doesn’t exist). Generally speaking, human progress made them obsolete.

        The arrival of a galactic species, intent on destroying humans, would unseat Allah in short order, along with most other main religions – a very unlikely arrival.

        Europe, not allowing in a single Muslim unless they gave up Islam(making it detrimrntal to be Muslim) could have stopped or greatly reduced the increasing violence it now experiences. However, the order of the PC day seemed to be poison in small doses; then came the flood.

        The only likely end to Islam is when Muslims perceive that Allah is a fraud that cannot help them in their time of need. The latest failure of Allah has been ISIS and another will be Erdogan’s emerging new Caliphate. Right now, Islam is being propped up by oil wealth – its inefficient ways require unearned wealth to survive. Germany is dicovering the discomfort of being the host to a parasitic function from both Islam and the economically weaker EU states.

        The shortest route to end of Islam is devastation on an international scale that leaves no doubt that Allah was nowhere to be found. This is what killed Christianity in Europe – being helpless, cities reduced to rubble, and being occupied by a foreign power. It seems likely that, given time, Islam will bring something like this upon itself.

      • Fair views TH says

        Aug 14, 2017 at 9:23 am

        In 30 years UK will become the Islamic Republic of Englandistan. Hahahahaha !

        • Wellington says

          Aug 14, 2017 at 1:24 pm

          How in the hell can you find your prediction funny? Mohammedans are coming not just for England but for all the West.

        • Fair views TH says

          Aug 15, 2017 at 3:52 am

          I am laughing at those UK elite fools in power who allow this to happen slowly before their eyes.. Wahahahaha !

      • gravenimage says

        Aug 14, 2017 at 4:55 pm

        Mortimer, you are very knowledgeable about the threat of Islam, but your constant flogging of the idea of “deprogramming” Muslims simply makes no sense.

        Islam rejects reason, so showing Muslims that Islam is not reasonable makes no difference to them.

    • Rufolino says

      Aug 14, 2017 at 4:19 am

      This officer is probably correct to surmise the jihad threat will last for 30 years. But then the jihad threat will fade for the simple reason that Europe will be under the domination of sharia like current Saudi Arabia.

    • mortimer says

      Aug 14, 2017 at 8:52 am

      Welllington wrote that Islam should be “properly identified for the prototype for Nazism which it surely is”.

      This project obviously requires a LEGAL CHALLENGE TO THE GENOCIDAL HATE SPEECH in the Koran, and a demonstration that these vicious statements are not merely idle threats!

      In 1985, a LEGAL CHALLENGE to the Koran as promoting hatred and violence was begun in India.

      Chandmal Chopra of Calcutta. (Chandmal Chopra of Calcutta, on March 29, 1985, filed a Writ of Petition in the Calcutta High Court stating that publication of the Quran infringes Sections 153A and 295A of the I.P.C. because it incites violence, disturbs public tranquility, promotes, on grounds of religion, feelings of enmity, hatred and ill-will between different religious communities, and insults other religions or religious beliefs of other communities in India’. He also requested a ruling nisi against the Government of West Bengal ‘to show cause as to why a writ of mandamus be not issued to it directing it to declare each copy of Quran whether in the original Arabic or in any of the languages as forfeited to the Government’ in terms of Section 95 of the Cr.P.C.

      The case caused considerable excitement among the Muslim ‘believers’ (Mu’mins) and interest among the ‘infidels’ (Kafirs) in April-May, 1985. The press in India and abroad published many headlines about what was rightly regarded as an unprecedented event in the history of religion. It was the first time that a pagan kafir had legally challenged the character of a document hailed as the ‘Word of Allah’. The roles now stood reversed. So far, it had only been the privilege of Muslims in India to ban and burn the sacred literature of the pagans.

      After considerable rioting, the Petition was disallowed by the High Court. But the issues raised by the Petition remain pertinent. No court of law can deny to ‘kafirs’ the right to challenge the treatment prescribed for them in the Quran at the hands of the Muslim ‘believers’.

  2. Emilie Green says

    Aug 13, 2017 at 8:49 pm

    30 years? No way. The UK has an until-the-end-of time problem on its hands. Once the UK put on the Shirt of Nessus – volitionally no less! – by admitting Muslims, and in large numbers, it assured itself that it will never be free of terrorism since Muslims are commanded by their holy book to wage jihad (hot war) until the whole world utters the Shahada.

    This is especially on you, Labour and Blair. And the UK voters are not to be excused since they returned these politicians time and again. And so-called UK opposition parties aren’t much better. Isn’t that right, Theresa?

  3. Frank Anderson says

    Aug 13, 2017 at 8:50 pm

    He sounds so unconcerned about the daily crimes committed by “guest” jihadi’s and ignored by collaborators who seem so generally and totally in charge. Get ready for nuclear armed terrorists in charge of UK, France and Germany in the next 20 years while this pompous ass gloats in his greatness. “Deliberate ignorance constitutes knowledge of the truth.” Wyle v. R.J. Reynolds, 709 F.2d 585 (9th Cir. 1983). “Those who cannot remember the lessons of the past are condemned to repeat them.” Jorge Santayana, essay on The Life of Reason (1905).

    • ItsReallyQuiteClear says

      Aug 13, 2017 at 10:06 pm

      Frank,

      I think that the 2017 version of the Santayana quote might be: “Those who are condemned to death for reminding us of the lessons of the past are the only hope for the future.”

      • Frank Anderson says

        Aug 14, 2017 at 1:06 am

        Could well be. All non-Jews will have the choices of “convert, submit or die.” Jews “die” according to the teachings and practice of 1400 years. Whether Santayana originated the thought or passed it on from a previous source (?) those of us who learn try to avoid repeating past errors.

  4. Average Joe says

    Aug 13, 2017 at 9:01 pm

    Dar al-Harb to Dar al-Islam in only 30 years.

    • Chris Malan says

      Aug 14, 2017 at 7:57 am

      Correct. In 30 years the UK will most likely be a Muslim country. No need for Jihad anymore.

      • mortimer says

        Aug 14, 2017 at 9:01 am

        When Muslim take over they persecute and murder other Muslims of various other sects of Islam.

  5. Voytek Gagalka says

    Aug 13, 2017 at 9:03 pm

    They (they current authorities) could pronounce such long term predictions because they know full well that there is no way they’ll be still in office 30 years from now. And what will happen after is simply not their concern. But for the country as the whole and particularly for the current young generation, it is life or death perspective and VERY scary prospect indeed. What his statement indicates is nothing else but normalization of jihad violence, until… they will all die, or they’ll convert, or they’ll submit. Pick your choice.

    • tim gallagher says

      Aug 14, 2017 at 12:57 am

      Good point Voytek Gagalka about the politicians of this generation, the idiotic and gutless politicians of the past thirty years or so, letting Muslims into western nations which the young people will have to cope with and, no doubt, fight against. When I write to our politicians here in Australia I make sure to tell them that, unless they wake up and stop letting Muslims into the country, future generations will curse them. I am 100% certain that this will be the case. I hope some of the politicians will think about their place in history. As for this clown saying 30 years will solve the problem, what a clueless buffoon. The problem will go on and on and get worse.

  6. Saleem Smith says

    Aug 13, 2017 at 9:32 pm

    From the article:

    “The assistant commissioner of the Metropolitan Police also said the police needed help from communities to tackle terror because of the thousands of people who are subjects of interest to the security services…”

    What the assistant commissioner of the Metropolitan Police is saying here, in part, is that he wants and needs the Muslim community to report the activity of the jihadists among them to law enforcement officials.

    This will not happen in any significant way for a wide variety of reasons. First and foremost being the fact that the Muslim community considers Islamic theology and law to be a “higher authority” to which they owe unwavering allegiance… Deception and masked contempt are all that law enforcement officials should expect from individual Muslims and the Muslim community.

    We ex-Muslims living with Islam’s formal and informal death penalty for apostasy know that Mohammedanism is a complete fraud.

    Islam is no “religion of peace.” Islam is primarily a religion of “injustice, intolerance, hatred, and violence.” The fact is, if we non-Muslims were to say about Muslims what the Qur’an says about us, we would be arrested for hate speech. The Qur’an largely preaches discrimination, death, and imposition of its dogma on everyone. Certainly some Muslims will be offended by such statements, but frankly, so what? Judaism and Christianity, the world’s two other major monotheistic religions, have had to face the harshest of scrutiny and criticism for several hundred years which continues to this day. Islam must not be granted any special privileges or be exempt from such treatment – the implications are of tremendous importance.

    Here is a recent statement from a group of Bangladeshi apostates living in the UK explaining the reasons why they have abandoned Islam:

    “One who claims to be a messenger of God is expected to live a saintly life. He must not be given to lust, he must not be a sexual pervert, and he must not be a rapist, a highway robber, a war criminal, a mass murderer or an assassin. One who claims to be a messenger of God must have a superior character. He must stand above the vices of the people of his time. Yet Muhammad’s life is that of a gangster godfather. He raided merchant caravans, looted innocent people, massacred entire male populations and enslaved the women and children. He raped the women captured in war after killing their husbands and told his followers that it is okay to have sex with their captives (Qur’an 33:50). He assassinated those who criticized him and executed them when he came to power and became de facto despot of Arabia. Muhammad was bereft of human compassion. He was an obsessed man with his dreams of grandiosity and could not forgive those who stood in his way…

    The statement continues,

    Muhammad was a narcissist, like Hitler, Saddam or Stalin. He was astute and knew how to manipulate people, but his emotional intelligence was less evolved than that of a 6-year-old child. He simply could not feel the pain of others. He brutally massacred thousands of innocent people and pillaged their wealth. His ambitions were big and as a narcissist he honestly believed he is entitled to do as he pleased and commit all sorts of crimes and his evil deeds are justified.”

    http://www.faithfreedom.org/

    • Saleem Smith says

      Aug 13, 2017 at 10:04 pm

      Dry, morbid joke:

      Q: Why did the Mohammedan want to establish Sharia law?

      A: Because of instructions he found within the Qur’an and Muhammad’s Sunnah.

      • tim gallagher says

        Aug 14, 2017 at 8:39 pm

        Saleem, I’ve noticed over the years that I’ve been reading Jihad Watch that you often include words from that “ApostatesofIslam” statement about Islam and the evil nature of Mohammad. I remember reading that somewhere maybe 10 years or so back and thinking what a great short summary of the evils of Islam it was. The statement that a religious leader needs to be a more noble character than the average person, but that Mohammad is a far worse than average monster of a human being, etc. Christianity, probably Buddhism and other creeds, have high ideals to aim for, Islam just evil goals. No high ideals at all. Anyway, it’s a good short summary of Islam and its faults and worth including..Such an evil, barbaric man Mohammad was. I think it ends by saying that there’ll never be peace in the world while Islam still exists, which is exactly right.

  7. JawsV says

    Aug 13, 2017 at 10:10 pm

    “Generational problem?” Try Koran problem. When did the Brits get hit with the stupid stick? What happened to “Rule, Britannia?”

    • Monty says

      Aug 14, 2017 at 8:09 am

      It became “Rue Britannia” Britain now waives the rules of democracy, decency, morality and everything except kowtowing to Islam. The stupid bit began when the British turned away from the true God and turned against Israel. They lost their empire, were saddled with huge war debts to the USA especially, and the “Great” part of Britain is no more. I was born 6 years after WW3 ended and the country was still in dire straits. (WW1 began with Mohamed and has never ended). I’m English by birth and I’ve observed this collapse over the last 50 years or so. Britain sold its soul to Islam, imagining that it would get away with it. It’s true that we sow what we reap. My parents did me a great favour by removing me from England to Australia 50 years ago.

      • Dwayne Austin says

        Aug 14, 2017 at 8:35 am

        And now Australia is catching up fast with British national suicide.

  8. davej says

    Aug 13, 2017 at 10:17 pm

    Thirty years? Unless there is a fairly immediate revolution they will all be dead or dhimmis a lot sooner than that.

    The rising number of persons and plots to track: “its a real challenge”

    Translation: This is an impossible task, we give up and you are all on your own going forward.

  9. Rainman says

    Aug 13, 2017 at 10:32 pm

    Mr. Robert Spencer. My sincerest apologies. While trashing the alt right idiot, Richard Spencer, in a comment over at WRSA I got your’s and his first names mixed up. A not so minor, senior moment. Soooooo sorry. You, Mr. Robert Spencer, are one of the true good guys in this world. And RICHARD Spencer may be one of the dumbest. That idiot managed to make the Antifa look sane.
    Again, so sorrrrrrrrrryyyyyy.
    Rainman

  10. gravenimage says

    Aug 13, 2017 at 11:49 pm

    Former MI5 top dog says UK will face jihad threat for next 30 years
    ………………….

    It will be a lot more than 30 years if Britain keeps letting in ravening Muslims.

    • WPM says

      Aug 14, 2017 at 7:18 am

      It is nice he gave a 30 year window from the picture of him he is in his mid 50s.In 30 years he will be dead or very old. Most people in high government in England now will be dead of old age in 30 years. What can be done today to slow down the problem , why no one in Western countries governments wants to admit to a problem. The elected officials do not want to lose the Moslem vote as it numbers grow by immigration and birth rate it power over elected officials grows. In less then 30 years if not address now most of Western Europe will be Islamic.

      • Monty says

        Aug 14, 2017 at 7:54 am

        Spot on. Islam will rule as a result of democracy that will install Muslims in parliament. They will then terminate democracy and install Muslim Sharia Law. It will be interesting to see how the military responds to command to launch a nuclear attack on Israel.

        • roger woodhouse says

          Aug 14, 2017 at 2:41 pm

          There will be civil war long before muslims smell the power of governance here in Britain.The British patriots will wake to evict the mohamadans within the next ten years unless there is evidence that this group is either going to throw off the chains of that cult and integrate into western society or face a violent removal from these shores

        • Daniel Triplett says

          Aug 14, 2017 at 2:55 pm

          That’s right Roger. The British can be ruthless if they choose.

          They didn’t build a global empire with sweet talk.

          My grandfather too was an Englishman, a descendant of William the Conqueror, and 1 of 43 survivors of 1620 Mayflower.

          I don’t see the Muslims dismissing Islam and integrating with you. I suggest you prepare accordingly.

        • Dwayne Austin says

          Aug 14, 2017 at 3:05 pm

          “The British patriots will wake to evict the mohamadans within the next ten years u”

          Are those “British patriots” going to use harsh language to “evict the mohamadans”? You allowed your treasonous politicians to disarm you. You can bet the farm Muslims are smuggling weapons into Britain!

      • gravenimage says

        Aug 14, 2017 at 5:27 pm

        True, WPM.

  11. mortimer says

    Aug 14, 2017 at 12:16 am

    Jonathan Evans and his colleagues should have been DEPROGRAMMING MUSLIMS RIGHT OUT OF ISLAM, but instead they were pretending to be politically correct and then blamed by sold-out politicians when they tried to do their jobs by ridding the country of these terrorists.

    I believe the UK elite is rife with those bribed by Gulf oil money. MI5 must know the extent of the BRIBERY. I wish they would tell the public how bad it is.

    • gravenimage says

      Aug 14, 2017 at 1:11 am

      Mortimer, would you please explain how this deprogramming would work, since it never has?

      • Frank Anderson says

        Aug 14, 2017 at 1:32 am

        GI, I think Mortimer cannot explain “deprogramming” without revealing to those to be deprogrammed how to resist it. We have been asking him for months for some support or explanation; and he has never once responded. It could be that he does not check the “Notify me of follow-up comments by email” box. Does that make him a “post and run” poster? I agree with many of Mortimer’s thoughts, but cannot understand his obsession with deprogramming. I hate feeling ignorant and confused.

        I have been to a large number of continuing legal education seminars since 1980 where child molesting and abuse have been discussed, all which remind the audience that there is 100 percent repeat offenses given the opportunity. If deprogramming worked that would not be true.

        How can a person who has been taught the evil of 1400 years of Islam every day of his life, as many as 5 times a day listen to anyone else to discover and act to escape its evil? God Bless all who see the “Light” on their own and get out. How many examples can we name? God Help them survive and help others avoid the evil or get out. But with about 1.6 Billion people accepting Islam, forced, involuntary deprogramming looks to me like that is a losing proposition in any time to make our situation and future better. Resistance is not for us to let someone else do for us: We must each do what we can now and every day following.

        • mortimer says

          Aug 14, 2017 at 9:16 am

          ‘Absolute deprogramming’ is not mysterious, so you have no reason to feel confused. It is a fact-based reality therapy focussed on jihad’s meaning, motives and methods. Once the bases those three issues are exposed, no one could remain a Muslim, let alone a jihadist. Islam-focussed ‘absolute deprogramming’ would obviously be a university-level course of studies involving ethics, the ‘Foundational Revisionist Theory’ of Islamic history and advanced logic. It would be perhaps a two-year course with well-made films and lectures from top experts. It would be widely disseminated.

          This has not been tried, because governments are afraid of the repercussions to them from terrorist attacks. Nevertheless, the situation is grave and will not change unless governments do this. Governments must necessarily do this surreptiously until it becomes wildly successful. They should have started ABSOLUTE DEPROGRAMMING after 9/11.

        • Frank Anderson says

          Aug 14, 2017 at 9:38 am

          Mortimer, sincerely, THANK YOU for at least responding. Do you think enough people can be absolutely deprogrammed at a cost we can afford in time to avoid being murdered (the subjects, the deprogrammers and the sponsors) by the ones not being deprogrammed? I do not see how the Muslims outside the deprogramming effort would sit by and watch others leave and turn against those who remain, or even pretend to leave Islam, given the death sentence for apostasy. I agree that no “reasonable” person (in lawyer talk, “reasonable, prudent person” would be or remain a Muslim absent death threats. But it appears to me that reason and prudence have never been part of anything connected with Islam. Please tell me (and “us”) what you think, and why?

          Muslims know the evil that pervades Islam, and seem to love it! How’s that for a contradiction.

          Again, Thank You for joining the discussion. Tell your side, whether we agree or not on this issue. Please.

        • Daniel Triplett says

          Aug 14, 2017 at 11:36 am

          We can no more reason with the Ummah than our grandfathers could reason with Nazis or Shintos.

          As our grandfathers clearly demonstrated, we must let violence do the talking.

          Words won’t change the Ummah’s hearts and minds. Nuclear ordnance will.

        • Frank Anderson says

          Aug 14, 2017 at 4:13 pm

          Daniel, I think, my opinion and mine alone, that you are to a great extent correct. I do not think we will have the choice of using nuclear weapons. I think that decision will be made in Iran and North Korea working together in concert. I hope Mortimer will consider a discussion with me on the issue of deprogramming that could lead to clarity of our situation and get off the fence of indecision that serves only Islam.

        • gravenimage says

          Aug 14, 2017 at 5:37 pm

          Thanks for replying, Mortimer. You wrote:

          ‘Absolute deprogramming’ is not mysterious, so you have no reason to feel confused. It is a fact-based reality therapy focussed on jihad’s meaning, motives and methods. Once the bases those three issues are exposed, no one could remain a Muslim, let alone a jihadist.
          …………………………..

          Mortimer, Islam rejects reason. The idea that you can appeal to the reason of Muslims–including Jihadists–just does not hold water. Muslims especially disdain the “filthy Infidels”–you never explain why they would listen to those they consider Kuffar.

          More:

          Islam-focussed ‘absolute deprogramming’ would obviously be a university-level course of studies involving ethics, the ‘Foundational Revisionist Theory’ of Islamic history and advanced logic. It would be perhaps a two-year course with well-made films and lectures from top experts. It would be widely disseminated.

          This has not been tried, because governments are afraid of the repercussions to them from terrorist attacks. Nevertheless, the situation is grave and will not change unless governments do this. Governments must necessarily do this surreptiously until it becomes wildly successful. They should have started ABSOLUTE DEPROGRAMMING after 9/11.
          …………………………..

          Mortimer, since this has not–as you yourself note–ever worked, why are you so convinced that that Muslims will leave Islam if presented with the truth about Islam?

          Many Muslims know all about Islam and the savagery of Islamic history, and far from it driving them away from Islam, they are *proud* of its barbarism.

    • Monty says

      Aug 14, 2017 at 7:59 am

      Deprogramming is generally a failure. You are not talking to normal, rational people. The only answer is to deport all people who refuse to renounce Islam. It will not happen. Europe mostly is financially dependent on the Middle East and dares not offend Muslim nations. It started during the world wars when Germany and the UK vied for influence with Muslims to get them to fight on their side. It has come back to bite big time!

  12. Dwayne Austin says

    Aug 14, 2017 at 1:03 am

    How do you revive fascism in Europe? By doing what the British and EU government is doing now! Forcing citizens to give up freedoms for a little security. Very little security at this point.

    The last part says it all. “Our ability to keep our radar on them, that’s no longer just just a job for police and security services….” Translation: You’ll have to spy on your neighbors like citizens did in the Soviet Union and Nazi Germany.

  13. brane pilot says

    Aug 14, 2017 at 2:09 am

    Europe has already pointed the gun to its head, and pulled the trigger.
    The firing pin has already struck the cartridge ignition cap.
    The powder has already ignited and been consumed.
    The bullet has left the cartridge and is halfway down the barrel.
    Some things happen agonizingly slowly, even though they are unstoppable.
    In two decades, Europe’s brains will be splattered all over another bloody page of European history.
    Three times in barely over a century.

  14. Scott says

    Aug 14, 2017 at 3:12 am

    It will only be “30 years” because after that, the nation will be Islamized and the reason for terror attacks will no longer exist.

    • Frank Anderson says

      Aug 14, 2017 at 3:53 am

      As long as there are “infidels” anywhere there will be terror attacks.

  15. Mark Berlinger says

    Aug 14, 2017 at 3:47 am

    Ha Ha 30 More Years?

    After 1400 years of #Jihad, Baron Evans thinks the threat to the UK will be over in thirty. The self-delusion necessary to maintain this level of ignorance by an intelligence official is astonishing.

    Britain will be another Islamic Republic before the Jihad threat is over in 30, or 300 years.

    Enjoy your retirement Baron Evans of Weardale. Bastard.

  16. Baucent says

    Aug 14, 2017 at 3:49 am

    He is only partly correct. The problem is generational in that earlier muslim migrants were grateful to be living in Britain after leaving Islamic countries less developed. Their numbers were small and largely they went unnoticed and caused little trouble. But their children grew up not feeling any gratefulness to Britain and not knowing how difficult life was in the parents homeland. Becoming devout in their religion was the way they discovered their identity. That path of discovery led them to often become more religious than their parents. And have attitudes of hatred towards the nation and people that fed them. These malcontents have now been joined by a new wave of young zealous muslims fresh from muslim majority countries where people of other faiths (or none at all) are treated as second class citizens. All in all, it’s not likely to end well for Britain or any of the Western European countries that mirror Britain in accepting muslim migrants.

    • gravenimage says

      Aug 14, 2017 at 5:42 pm

      I think earlier waves of Muslim immigrants just realized there were not enough of them to start waging violent Jihad and imposing Shari’ah law in earnest.

  17. R Russell says

    Aug 14, 2017 at 3:49 am

    Many people on here are attempting to find a way to stop Islam from overtaking our country whilst our government continues to kow-tow to Islam. This has the potential to lead to civil war.
    Let me give you an example of something told to me by a friend who phoned me the other day.
    A family has moved to a house near to his church and the man of the family objects to cars parked legally by church goers. He has no objection to cars parked by anyone else. He harasses the church people almost every week and the police are involved. This man told a church member that he hates all religions and would do what he is doing to all religions. The police have been informed of his comment and have decided it is NOT a hate crime. Can you imagine it being ignored if he was doing this next to a mosque?
    That is a symptom of what is wrong with our country. Favouritism only leads to civil unrest.
    My friend doesn’t know what can be done for the man is clever enough never to swear thus he is not breaking the law.
    Christianity is the only hope for our country in the spiritual fight against spiritual Islam. Until others join the spiritual fight our country will continue to slide into Islamic domination.

    • Baucent says

      Aug 14, 2017 at 6:10 am

      He sounds like a nutter, and vindictive nutters usually eventually go too far and will end up breaking the law. Unfortunately someone may get hurt in the process. Not much can be done until he explodes.

      • WPM says

        Aug 14, 2017 at 7:28 am

        Usually one nutter keeps nutting until a crazy nutter out nuts him. He is messing with anonymous strangers he messes with the wrong nut who knows were he lives he is the one who loses.

        • WPM says

          Aug 14, 2017 at 7:55 am

          Its a very foolish man who picks a fight with all his neighbors with little to gain ,but a matter of a little selfish pride and ego .Islam is a lot like this man only the truth pointed out by non believers to the Islamics will set them free. Their faith is so shaken by truth because Islam foundation are built on sands of hate. Easily pushed away by the water of truth, reason, compassion and logic. That is why it will not stand up under debate, criticism ,and can not live in peace even among its own kind . All energy put towards hate leaves little energy for other useful advancements of personal fulfillment ,or good to the community at large. With out hate to pump up the balloon of Islam it falls to the ground flaccid and useless for all to see.

  18. sidney penny says

    Aug 14, 2017 at 3:54 am

    “What does he think will happen in 30 years? ”

    Robert

    Why do you keep hitting the nail on the head?

    What is the message? Do not kowtow to violence or the threat of violence.?

  19. medaber_emet says

    Aug 14, 2017 at 6:19 am

    he meant to say that within 30 years UK will be a Muslim country

  20. medaber_emet says

    Aug 14, 2017 at 6:26 am

    he meant to say that within 30 years UK will be a muslim country
    so there will be no threat of Jihad

  21. medaber_emet says

    Aug 14, 2017 at 6:36 am

    the fucked up white Europeans are a dyeing breed and they still too stupid to understand that
    this is all too unbelievable it must be the hand of god
    in order for a whole continent to commit a collective suicide it takes only the power of god
    this is beyond human capability
    I just dont believe that the Muslims are that clever to convince all Europe to commit collective suicide by their own free will

    • gravenimage says

      Aug 14, 2017 at 7:01 pm

      Why do you believe that god wants to destroy the civilized Europeans and replace then with savage Muslims?

      This has to do with self-hatred and denial, not divine providence.

  22. FYI says

    Aug 14, 2017 at 6:41 am

    Ha!The Britainistani police cannot even figure out the koranic motivation behind islamic terrorism…

    The reason?It is their god allah himself who sanctions the mass-murder of innocent “infidels”(along with misogyny,sexual slavery and abuse of women like we see in these horrific rape cases of white women,lying to promote islam,invading non-muslim lands..you name it,allah’s ok with it!)

    It is allah himself (in his koran) and his “prophet” mo (by his godless example):that’s where the devout muslim jihadists get their immoral( and amoral) justification for their wicked,sinful,Commandment of God-violating behavior.

    The Britainistani police are too busy spying on their own people to notice.

    • Monty says

      Aug 14, 2017 at 7:49 am

      Oh they know alright. The problem is that Islam now effectively owns the UK. Who is going to take a stand against a ideology that is worse than Hitler’s Nazism? Especially when doing so will get the country bankrupt and the individual hounded, harassed, bullied and maybe killed. As many are finding out right now.

  23. Islamic Mirror says

    Aug 14, 2017 at 6:46 am

    In 30 years, all Islamic terrorists after entering Islamic heaven will be too busy with 72 beautiful black eyed perpetual virgins , 28 prepubescent boys ,10000 servants,river of wines , golden bed, heaven made of golden bricks. No more infidel left in UK and in the world.

  24. tama says

    Aug 14, 2017 at 7:01 am

    Really towards a muz uk : C

    https://youtu.be/OQ_HVxdA7Yg
    (UK mayor orders muslim prayer start all sessions
    Vlad Tepesblog )

  25. steve says

    Aug 14, 2017 at 7:24 am

    In 30 years Islam will dominate this sad country, There could well be a reverse Dunkirk when those few brave souls, refusing to ‘convert’ will flee the country………the choice will be the 1400 year of curse of Islam, CONVERT OR DIE……..

  26. Monty says

    Aug 14, 2017 at 7:45 am

    A bit of wishful thinking. Once the war is lost Jihad will no longer be necessary. Of course Islam has many other reasons to indulge its passion for bloodletting, so the malady will linger on.

  27. John A. Marre says

    Aug 14, 2017 at 8:57 am

    And in the 31st year there will be no UK. It will be the Islamic Republic of England, Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland.

  28. Anthony Jagers says

    Aug 14, 2017 at 9:21 am

    Head Up! Youtube is now removing accounts of those critical of Islam.
    IMO, Robert needs to disable all comments on all of his videos. I noticed
    a trend where trolls posing as one of us are posting racists comments. They
    hope to reflect this one the rest of us. It’s pretty bad on other channels.
    If anyone can direct Roberts attention to this please do. Gatewaypundit has
    a story of a removal.

  29. Alarmed Pig Farmer says

    Aug 14, 2017 at 10:07 am

    Several months ago Spengler (aka David P. Goldman) posited over at PJMedia that the global jihad would last 30 yrs, much like the Thirty Years War. His theory was that, as with the latter, gradually the conflict would be sapped by the kill off of young men. This is probably where Evans got the number.

    I’m not so sure. First, WMD means that things are likely to come to a head much sooner. And then there’s the vaunted Moslem birth rate. As Spencer notes, it’s lasted 1,400 yrs so far, so why only 30 more?

  30. Laura says

    Aug 14, 2017 at 10:32 am

    It is said that muslim numbers double every 10 years, so, if the present 5 million become 10 million by 2027, and then 20 million by 2037, by 2047 they will be 40 million in number! Where will they live, and where will WE live, is a question the elites are to craven to consider.

    • Dwayne Austin says

      Aug 14, 2017 at 11:42 am

      The United States bailed the British out of that fiasco they created called WWI. The United States bailed the British out of that fiasco they created called WWII. This time NO ONE is coming to bail the British fools out of their current fiasco. In other words, DOOM ON YOU, Britain!

      • gravenimage says

        Aug 14, 2017 at 8:16 pm

        The idea that Britain created WWII is grotesque calumny. Seems we have another apologist for Hitler here. *Ugh*.

        • Frank Anderson says

          Aug 14, 2017 at 8:51 pm

          GI, I am certainly no apologist or sympathizer of Adolph Hitler. I urge you to think about the utter cowardice exhibited by N. Chamberlain and Daladier of France. Please at least review a few documentaries, such as Hitler’s Bodyguard. For example, when Hitler decided to “re-militarize” the Rhine, his own generals had plans to kill him if the least resistance came from UK and France. None came. Think of the possibilities if Poland, Czechoslovakia, France and Great Britain stood and really fought together and prevented Hitler’s taking of Czechoslovakia instead of either abandoning it or “looking the other way”. Poland by itself so devastated Germany’s military more than a year later to the extent it took from September, 1939 to May, 1940 to heal and re-equip the German military for the campaign to the west. A major part of Germany’s military in the west campaign was based on captured and modified Czech equipment.

          Similar to the handing to Hitler of the ill-considered fixed defenses of Czechoslovakia, we are now witnessing the abandonment of our defenses against the Islamic conquest. The two situations look to me to be similar enough to raise a note of caution. Still wishing you well always.

        • Chris Malan says

          Aug 15, 2017 at 5:58 am

          Frank Anderson said: “Similar to the handing to Hitler of the ill-considered fixed defenses of Czechoslovakia, we are now witnessing the abandonment of our defenses against the Islamic conquest.”

          Politicians, by their very nature, have a hard time dealing with reality. Their strength is words – talk, talk and more talk. Think of all the summits that achieve nothing but cost millions.

          Take North Korea. It’s abundantly clear where they’re heading. But the politicians of the world are going to wait until the North Koreans have the nuclear capability to do great harm. Then, they’ll talk some more. The refugee crisis at the moment is happening on the UNO’s watch – another costly, useless organization constituted of career politicians. The UNO has a track record of failure for as long as it has existed.

          Hoping the governments of the world will wake up to the different crises of the moment and take the necessary action will surely disappoint. Like Islam, politicians have for decades or longer consistently demonstrated their true nature. To even expect that they will do what is needed in time is stupid. Wake up.

  31. eduardo odraude says

    Aug 14, 2017 at 12:23 pm

    Another brilliant video from David Wood:
    http://www.answeringmuslims.com/2017/06/the-london-mosque-attack-how.html

    • gravenimage says

      Aug 14, 2017 at 8:23 pm

      Yes–spot on stuff.

  32. Politicianaphobia says

    Aug 14, 2017 at 12:26 pm

    I am not so sure we are winning against Islam. Why are so many governments turning their heads–FGM, child brides, Muslim men beating women and raping children. Our laws forbid most of Shariàh but ………Where are all the lawyers……..“Those who, if We give them authority in the land, establish regulars prayers, pay Zakat, enjoin good, and forbid evil“. In Canada the following are against the law, mutalation, assult, rape, pedophilia –anyone who does not agree should be DEPORTED. Justine Trudea says we should not say FGM is barbaric— then what hell is it besides being against our law. Followers need to stop many George Soros supporting leaders.

  33. C oach says

    Aug 14, 2017 at 12:46 pm

    Britain will not last thirty years.. At best Great Britain will be an archaeological site.

  34. Robin Rosenblatt says

    Aug 14, 2017 at 1:50 pm

    UK is entering a New Islamic Dark Ages with Sex Slavery for all women starting at 9 years-old the only free country in Europe is Poland and they will take UK and EU women who need to to escape from this.

  35. Kesselman says

    Aug 14, 2017 at 3:32 pm

    There are certain schizophrenics in play. On one side a handwringing former spy chief apologizes for the inept Bureau’s inability to handle an urgent national matter while his superiors, the politicians, let things happen willingly. – Why the mixed messages? It has all to do with the globalist liberal utopian eco-elitists’ quasi-fascist ideology: A New World Order only with a supranational government preferably the UN combined with the Islamic Sharia Law which will make the world ”natural” zip-less to govern the masses.

  36. Rev. William Cook says

    Aug 14, 2017 at 7:08 pm

    Former MI5 ‘Top Dog’ is in denial. Britain will only have to deal with the jihadi threat until all Britons are gone.

  37. Mo says

    Aug 14, 2017 at 11:41 pm

    The way they’re going they won’t be around in 30 years!

    At least…not in any recognizable way.

  38. Frank Anderson says

    Aug 15, 2017 at 4:44 am

    Mortimer I ask your thoughts on these issues:

    1. Would not your deprogramming constitute to devout Muslims “slander of the prophet” as Obama preached against at the United Nations. From what I read here “slander of the prophet” means saying or writing anything truthful or critical of Islam.

    2. A 2 year university level course, say 60 semester hours, would cost about $100,000 for security, tuition, books and fees, and another $50,000 for living arrangements and expenses (approximately). Please think how many could be re-educated/de-programmed at how much cost? Do you think the ultra rich oil sheiks would help pay the bills, as they do now to brainwash Islam into the minds of their “subjects”. I ask you, if you have access to a library with back issues of Scientific American, take a look at (I believe) the September, 2011 issue with an article proposing to spend $145 TRILLION to install windmills and solar plants worldwide and connect them with a transmission grid, to convert the world’s energy needs to “green” or “renewable”. The price of the proposed project is approximately 10 times the annual Gross National Product of the United States, and more or less 5 times the World Gross Product. The article neglects what the electricity would cost entirely. (In my opinion, with over 40 years of various electric utility experience) that the energy cost would crush both household and industrial use. The article neglects that wind generators and solar panels have limited lives because of exposure, corrosion, wear and fatigue, creating continuing expense and pollution from maintenance, that I believe would be estimated by accountants at more or less 10 percent of original cost, or $14.5 TRILLION per year..

    What are your thoughts on these issues, PLEASE?

  39. Tom says

    Aug 15, 2017 at 10:28 am

    “A generational problem” This is so far off the mark, how can this guy be so delusional.

    The jihad is not a generational problem, it is a cultural and genocidal problem that transcends generations and is perpetually carried out by successive generations and has been for 1400 years. With professionals like this guy giving the Brit government advice on the jihad terror it’s no wonder that the UK is in such a disastrous and submissive state of affairs today.

  40. Rich says

    Aug 15, 2017 at 3:58 pm

    CUT THE CRAP. ISLAM MUST BE EXTERMINATED. HERE’S HOW.

    Islam is a political system, NOT a religion, and unless and until humanity wakes the hell up and STOPS referring to it as a religion, there is no hope. Islam is a hyper-aggressive, militaristic, expansionist, totalitarian political system designed to create a super-rich micro-oligarchical ruling class with a massive, destitute, genetically handicapped underclass below.
    Here is a quote from Osama bin Laden that sums it all up:
    “Our talks with the infidel West and our conflict with them ultimately revolve around one issue; one that demands our total support, with power and determination, with one voice, and it is: Does Islam, or does it not, force people by the power of the sword to submit to its authority corporeally if not spiritually? Yes. There are only three choices in Islam: [1] either willing submission [conversion]; or [2] payment of the jizya, through physical, though not spiritual, submission to the authority of Islam; or [3] the sword, for it is not right to let him [an infidel] live. The matter is summed up for every person alive: Either submit, or live under the suzerainty of Islam, or die.”
    –Osama Bin Laden
    (The Al Qaeda Reader, p. 42)

    Well, you can pour maple syrup on a puddle of bloody, diarrhetic hogshit all you want, but it will never, ever be pancakes.
    THIS is how the musloid problem should be faced and solved. It isn’t difficult.
    Use the only thing they understand – PHYSICAL FORCE AND STRENGTH.
    Aggressively proselytize. Fully acknowledge that even a converted musloid, like a domesticated wild animal, will be dangerous for the rest of his life and can never be fully trusted.

    http://www.barnhardt.biz/2017/06/05/cut-the-crap-islam-must-be-exterminated-heres-how/

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