“Actually we can allow them to build the statue, just not as high as it was and it should be in the temple, not outside. We are tolerant.”
This laughable protestation of “tolerance” is in accord with Islamic law, which stipulates that non-Muslim structures must not be higher than Muslim ones, and that non-Muslims must not make any public display of their religious observances.
“In Indonesia, Chinese Deity Is Covered in Sheet After Muslims Protest,” by Russell Goldman, New York Times, August 10, 2017 (thanks to The Religion of Peace):
HONG KONG — A 100-foot statue depicting a Chinese deity was covered with an enormous sheet this weekend in East Java Province, Indonesia, after Muslims threatened to tear the colossus down amid mounting ethnic and religious tensions across the country.
The Islamist campaign against the statue, a depiction of the third-century general Guan Yu, who is worshiped as a god in several Chinese religions, began online and soon spread to the gates of a Chinese Confucian temple in Tuban, near the Java Sea coast, where the figure was erected last month.
On social media, Muslims assailed the statue as an “uncivilized” affront to Islam and the island’s “home people,” and a mob gathered this week outside the East Java legislature in the city of Surabaya to demand its destruction.
Statues deemed un-Islamic have been destroyed or vandalized around the country in recent years, and several Chinese temples have been set on fire. Covering the statue with a large white tarp was a stopgap measure proposed by the temple’s officials after a governmental religious body pushed them to find a solution….
In recent years, Muslim extremists have pressed for the adoption of Islamic law, or Shariah, throughout Indonesia. A civil court found the Christian governor of the capital, Jakarta, guilty of blasphemy against Islam in May. Islamists falsely claimed that President Joko Widodo was a Chinese Christian during his 2014 campaign….
“It is growing religious intolerance, making their own interpretation of the Quran and using that hostile interpretation against the Chinese temple,” said Andreas Harsono, the Indonesia director for Human Rights Watch. “They say that it is showing that China is dominating Indonesia.”
Didik Muadi, a Muslim who organized the protests against the statue, said Muslims would destroy the figure themselves if the government did not intervene.
“Actually we can allow them to build the statue, just not as high as it was and it should be in the temple, not outside,” Mr. Didik told the news site Tempo. “We are tolerant.”
gravenimage says
“Actually we can allow them to build the statue, just not as high as it was and it should be in the temple, not outside. We are tolerant.”
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This is orthodox Shari’ah. Here’s the Pact of Umar:
We shall not manifest our religion publicly nor convert anyone to it. We shall not prevent any of our kin from entering Islam if they wish it…
We shall not display our crosses or our books in the roads or markets of the Muslims. We shall use only clappers in our churches very softly…
https://sourcebooks.fordham.edu/source/pact-umar.asp
In other words, there must be no public display of *any* faith but that of Islam.
This in Indonesia is only “tolerant” because Muslims are not burning the Temple down. Oh, wait…that has happened to other Chinese Temples there…
James Pierce says
We’re very tolerant, so long as you build your statue according to our rules and put it where we can’t se it
Westman says
How soon before the sheet burns or the bomb goes off? Considering the country’s past genocide on their Chinese, it can’t be too long.
John Haller says
When Mehmet the great conquered Constantinople in 1453, he was shown the domed Church called Hagia Sophia. This was the largest domed structure since the Romans built the Pantheon in Rome. He consulted with his architects and enquired if they could build such a building, but bigger and taller(for the glory of Islam) and this was done. The Blue Mosque in Istanbul today is the result. Nonetheless, Hagia Sophia was converted into a mosque as well. Allah is merciful because Hagia Sophia was not destroyed.
In Aceh Indonesia, they have Sharia squads roaming around to protect public decency. Their main activity seems to be pulling over female motor scooter riders who have what may be deemed as jeans that are maybe too tight, aghast. I have seen a documentary about this and while the Sharia Police reprimand the young lady, I noticed that on the busy road behind the “bust” many motorcycles passed with Papa bear, Mama bear and 2or 3 kids hanging on for dear life. Apparently the annual total of road fatalities in Indonesia is somewhere between 30,000 to nearly 50,000.(WHO) stats for 2011? Modesty prevails and the insanity continues.
PRCS says
“The recent anti-Chinese animus is driven in part by an increased influence of extremist Muslim ideology in the country’s politics, experts said.
Surely those “experts” can explain how extremist Muslim ideology differs from the regular version. Right?
gravenimage says
Ha ha
miriamrove says
Sick of them already. So sick. m
Voytek Gagalka says
Reason for coverage? That Chinese deity statue happens to have longer and more powerful sword that so called “prophet” Mohammed ever possessed. Hence Mohammedans don’t like it: “excess” MUST be covered.
gravenimage says
No doubt that is part of it–but there are other reasons. It represents a figure, which is banned under Shari’ah, and it is taller than some Mosques. Under Shari’ah, no Infidel religious object can be taller than the Mosque.
So much for Indonesia being “moderate”.
Scorpio says
Having spent seven wonderful years living and working in Indonesia, the people are very friendly and tolerant. They are very pro-Western and being the largest Muslim population on the planet I cannot ever recalling seeing a lady wearing the black-sack burka, commonly worn in many Western countries. Most ladies were dresses you would see in New York, London or Paris.
Following the two Bali bombings in the early 2000’s the country was in total denial that they had a problem but following these two incidents they have, in my view, the finest police force for dealing with terrorists. They are very effective with dead terrorists and few arrests thus saving the country expenditure in incarcerating these scum. Yet for all that it would only take one or two Muslin rabble rousers to change all that and when I left in 2014 there were one or two rabble rousers and I regret that things may change.
Moses the Black says
Scorpio, I believe you would be working in Jakarta? As someone who does work all around Indonesia, Jakarta is one of the abnormalies where Islam is not as fervantly lived out as compared to say, the farming districts in Central Java, the port district of Medan and so on.
Even with the lax practise of Islam during your time, much has happened in the past 3 years since you left. Ninja suits are getting more common on the streets and muslims picking fights with supporters of the former Christian Chinese governor Ahok jailed just a few months back, amongst other things. It isn’t just one or two rabble rousers, but more of an awaking legion of Islamists rising to start the 1990s rapes and murders against the kafir again.
Just my 2 cents.
gravenimage says
Scorpio, are you familiar with what is going on in Aceh? Shari’ah law, floggings, and now *stoning* is on the books.
pandainc says
This whole thing is interesting. Apparently, in Confucianism, this guy is known as the God of War … his name, according to the article, is Guan Yu. In Shaolin tradition, and in many other definitions, his name is Kwan. The ‘knife’ (actually similar to a halberd in western terms) is referred to as the Kwan Dao (Kwan’s Way) as he is the presumed ‘inventor’ of the knife.
I’ve not seen it, but they believe they know where his grave is (without his head, apparently). The guy was supposed to be huge — a full sized model of the knife is chained to the grave and you can pick it up. If you can. I understand it weighs 90 lbs.
Never heard of him being called the God of War …
epistemology says
Perfectly right the self-appointed prophet was a coward, never fought himself but beheaded the helpless Jews business as usual. Accordingly nobody displaying some courage, force and what have you can be shown by a big statue, that’s absolutely in-Islamic.
Anyway the Chinese do it the right way, they banned veils, abnormal beards and naming children with names inciting violence such as Jihad. No protest whatsoever from the muzzie community. They know the Chinese don’t care if they protest. We in the West shouldn’t care either.
gravenimage says
Unfortunately, the Chinese also allowed Muslims an exemption from the One Child Policy and allow them to carry knives in much of the West.
The idea that the Chinese are consistently tough on Islam is, I’m afraid, mistaken.
Westman says
The “peaceful jewel in the crown” of Islam, Indonesia, seems to be showing a degeneration into the dictatorial control and violence found in other majority muslim countries. It will be interesting to see if its good economy, manufacturing, forays into space with satellites, art, non-muslim cultures, and music will survive in a 87% Muslim environment.
This country killed somewhere between 500,000 and 3 million of its own citizens in a 1965 purge of communists and Chinese, indicating that life is not particularly sacred, nor is there a great history of tolerance for the Chinese, among its Muslims.
gravenimage says
Yes–and there have been other horrors there, such as the attempted genocide against the mostly Christian East Timorese.
Westman says
I just read the account of the genocide on East Timor and its sickening. The indignities described are so islamic. I have no respect left for Indonesia.
gravenimage says
Yes, Westman–I am just glad that it looks as though a now independent East Timur is safe–for now, at least.
dumbledoresarmy says
And the other horrifying thing is what is *currently* happening in West Papua, which is historically Melanesian (NOT Malay) and majority-Christian – or WAS majority-Christian, at the time indonesia invaded and occupied it (after a rigged referendum) in the 1960s; since then, ‘transmigration’ – basically, al-hijra, the moving of very large numbers of ethnically-Malay MUSLIMS into West Papua , has gone a long way toward demographically swamping the indigenous Infidels… along with any number of atrocities, and the removal of children to be brainwashed into Islam.
Then, too, there was the Jihad in the 1990s that religiously ‘cleansed’ large swathes of historically-non-Islamic portions of the east of the archipelago – Ambon and the Moluccas – of their Christian population. People were driven out, there were mass murders, there were mass forced ‘conversions’ to Islam accompanied by forcible circumcision of the ‘converted’ males and forcible FGM carried out upon the ‘converted’ females. Horrible stuff.
Also there was the huge pogrom against the non-Muslim Chinese, in the 1960s. It was couched as ‘anti-communist’ but it was actually anti-kuffar… ALL the victims were non-Muslims, mostly ethnic Chinese, and the murderers were Muslims. There were mass gang rapes of Chinese Christian and Chinese Buddhist girls and women, often rape-unto-death.
Indonesia’s fabled ‘moderation’ is more illusion than reality, historically speaking. The Dutch put a lid on Islam (by using methods formulated by C S Hurgronje) but once Indonesia gained independence, slowly that lid is dissolving.
Dwayne Austin says
Probably why Obama just finished up a vacation there…
somehistory says
moslums are so tolerant as long as there is nothing for them to tolerate.
Once they rid the planet of things with which they don’t agree and the things they are destroying as against their demon ruler, they will only have themselves to destroy. Their house is “divided” after all, and they must be murdering, raping, destroying and complaining 24/7. Even more so. “8 days a week.”
Kepha says
Looks as if Guan Gong has joined the Ku Klux Klan.
Then again, someone once gifted an idol to us. We quietly threw it out.
utis says
How can this be! Hilary Clinton’s “beacon of Islam and democracy”? Well, polytheists are right up front on the islamic chopping block. They don’t get even a pretense of tolerance in the koran, so good little muslims can open fire any time they want.
It’s nice to see Mr. DIkdik’s interpretation of “tolerance” so openly demonstrating the shallowness of muslim interpretation of that word. I assume all the native Indonesian religious and artistic works are aleady gone.
Once again, this is another example of why non-muslims of any faith (or non-faith) should work together to protect us all from this totalitarian cult. They are out to obliterate all cultures if they can.
Guest says
And here I thought the communists were destroying Islam in their country. Where did they even get a sheet that big
Lydia says
The statue looks like an indonesian isis terrorist anyway.
Kepha says
Actually, Guan Yu is one of the great heroes of the Three Kingdoms period in Chinese history (A.D. 184-280). He was a general who really lived; but today he is the god of war, account books, and letters.
Niko says
That is correct it is Guan Yu. Arguably the most romantic and epic of all the heroes. He would have destroyed Islam.
manat bint allaha says
allah must be a god as strong as a wet noodle if it’s scared by a chinese statue..
Cthulhu says
Are you trying to offend pastafarians? 😉
Eur says
“We can allow…… We are tolerant. ” ahaahhahahahhahahahahhahahaahhahahahahahahhahahaha they are sooooooo tolerant…….FUCK ISLAM.
Note: the statue seems horrible and ostentatious … but the reasons for not wanting that should not be religious …. and much less because it is against “my religion.” Islam = sharia, Muslims = intolerant religious fanatics everywhere.
gravenimage says
Of course, Muslims do not want to destroy this statue because they find it tacky…
762x51FMJ says
What do you call it when an Indonesian Muslim breaks his foot walking into Starbucks?
Krakatoa East of Java.
tpog says
To Cthulhu and 762x52FMJ. THANK YOU!!! Nice to have a good belly laugh first thing in the morning. Cheers
Zammana says
Yeah, that’s “tolerance.” You know, this tolerant BS has thoroughly infected California schools. In the 7th Grade history books adopted (all books are State approved) by many districts in CA, the vocabulary term “tolerance” is introduced in the Unit on Islam.
gravenimage says
Disgusting and false. I worry about how much more difficult it is going to be defending against the Jihad threat after this suicidal indoctrination of Infidel children.
RodSerling says
The preoccupation of the Islamic supremacists with destroying or defacing “idols” does not bode well for the future of Indonesia. Same thing in Bangladesh. If the ethnic Chinese, who are almost entirely non-Muslim, leave Indonesia in large numbers, the country would be left in dire straits economically, further speeding its collapse.
dumbledoresarmy says
The ethnic Chinese non-Muslims would be well advised to leave NOW, while the going is good.
Now… before the gang rapes, the mass murderings, the lootings begin.
There is China the homeland’ there is Taiwan. There is Australia; I am happy to welcome my fellow infidels fleeing from Muslim lands.. **so long as they do not behave like dhimmis when they get here**. There are lots of non-Islamic countries to which they could move; so long as, when they come, they are prepared to NOT carry water for Islam; so long as they shake off a de-facto-dhimmi mindset, and openly speak about what it is like to live as non-muslims in a muslim-majority Muslim-dominated country, even so-called ‘moderate’ ‘modern’ Indonesia.
Right now Australia has 600 000 Muslims. And in just three years we have had *thirteen* jihad plots.
If several hundred thousand extra NON-MUSLIMS – intelligently ANTI-Islam – people migrated here, and began quietly spreading the word about how horrible Islam really is when it is the majority – that would be a helpful counterweight to the Mohammedans; it would help tip the demographic balance back in the Infidels’ favour.
davej says
The most intolerant of all the world’s religions demonstrating it once again.
Their opposition to freedom of speech is matched by their opposition to freedom of display and freedom of thought. Fuck them and their stupid rules they think should apply to everyone, they are Fascists through and through. And dimwits, besides.
Baucent says
This story is surely one of those “I could have told you so” situations. I’m not surprised by the reaction of muslims, only that the Chinese thought the country was tolerant enough to accept the colossal statue. Surely they remember anti-Chinese sentiment is never very far from the surface in Indonesia?
Tom says
Wherever Islam reigns supreme there is tyranny toward any non believers. THAT is the legacy of the “Religion of Peace”.
Jedothek says
Does Indonesia claim to have religious freedom? I am wondering whether this event is merely evil or also illegal.
Eur says
They kill infidels moderately. Moderate Muslims are those who have not killed you yet, have not burned your church …. there is no moderate Islam. Islam is an orthodox religion.
In Chiapas, Mexico, Muslim missionaries have taken advantage of the discontent of the peasants to convert a few … and now there are a few hundred Mexicans from that region who are Muslims. Some are Wahhabi, other Sufis … they have even changed the sect because the perusal that started this mess turned out to be a thief. That man even tried to convert Marcos subcommander and to make the Zapatist cause an Islamic religious question. Right now in those villages there is a lack of social cohesion, interreligious hatred … things that did not exist before.
Of course they continue to live in misery but now they also have the problem of Islam. Congratulations.
gravenimage says
Islam makes everything it touches worse.
PKG says
So much for Indonesia being a beacon of ‘moderate Islam’……
John A. Marre says
When Muslims are the majority, non-Muslims have no rights.
Judy Bowles says
Hopefully, there are people who will put the Muslim’s in their place.
Who cares if the Muslims make a threat, stand up and fight them.
Stop being politically correct. Muslims are not above the rest of us. They are a threat to society.
Quite frankly I am sick of hearing about Islam and their sick ideology.
Dacritic says
I just got back from Malaysia’s beach town Kuantan.
My wife and I had no mood to sunbathe when we’re there, because all we see are Muslim women in headbags and even the stupid niqab.
Only stupid people with a stupid religion would wear a full on niqab to the fucking beach.