Can anyone refute on Islamic grounds the proposition that waging violent jihad can bring blessings from Allah that could help the jihadi’s parents enter Paradise? The claim is always made that jihadis are hijacking Islam, but it is never substantiated.
“Jakarta woman defends suicide terror plot,” by Lauren Farrow and Heru Rahadi, Australian Associated Press, August 10, 2017:
A woman alleged to be Indonesia’s first would-be suicide bomber has told her trial that she believed the terror attack would help her parents “enter heaven”.
Dian Yulia Novi, along with six others including her husband, is accused of plotting a suicide-bomb attack targeting guards at the Presidential Palace in Jakarta in December last year.
The 28-year-old told her trial at East Jakarta District Court on Wednesday that she was motivated to carry out the plot to create “good deeds” for her parents.
“The blessing from ‘jihad’ could help my parents enter heaven,” Novi said.
“Suicide is for people who are desperate in their life while I wasn’t desperate in life. (Jihad) for me is a (good) deed to uphold ‘dien’ (religion) in Indonesia.”
Her trial has heard that she was working as a migrant worker in Taiwan in around 2015 when she became active on social media and began accessing ‘jihad’ site.
She then contacted “matchmaker” Tutin Sugiarti and spoke of her intention to carry out a suicide bombing, wishing to be married before doing so.
This set in motion her online meeting Muhamad Nur Solikin, who she married in a long distance wedding ceremony in October last year.
Between December 3 and December 7, it is alleged the pair, along with three other men bought a pressure cooker and rented a house in preparation to make a bomb.
All this, prosecutors allege, was done under the direction of Bahrun Naim, an Indonesian member of the Islamic State group in Syria….
JawsV says
Yes, waging violent jihad against the unbelievers brings immediate admission to the Islamic paradise. See: Quran 9:111. Allah promises “the Garden” to those who “slay and are slain for Allah’s cause.” That’s the proof right there that Jihad = Entry to Islamic paradise. About the Jihadist’s parents I don’t know. They probably have to kill their own Infidels. This is how messed-up Islam is and what we’re dealing with.
Book highly recommended: “Wholly Different” by Nonie Darwish (2017). Hardcover. A must-read!
Jack Diamond says
Every Palestinian mama knows that a martyr can intercede for 70 his relatives and guarantee Paradise for them as well as him. You think they are just celebrating his “wedding”?
“Sunan Abi Dawud Book of Jihad, intercession of the martyr, hadith 2522 ‘the martyr can intercede for seventy members of his family.’ This hadith has been classified as good by al-Suyuti, who records it in his hadith compilation..and by al-Albani.” –source Islamtoday.net
“It was reported in the hadeeth of al-Miqdaam ibn Ma’di Karb that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said:
“The martyr (shaheed) has seven blessings from Allaah: he is forgiven from the moment his blood is first shed; he will be shown his place in Paradise; he will be spared the trial of the grave; and he will be secure on the Day of the Greatest Terror (the Day of Judgement); there will be placed on his head a crown of dignity, one ruby of which is better than this world and all that is in it; he will be married to seventy-two of al-hoor al-‘iyn; and he will be permitted to intercede for seventy of his relatives.”
—https://islamqa.info/en/8511
frank verderber says
Muslims should take anti-aggression classes and learn to light a candle, with their repentance! Apparently, Hillary Clinton is following the same formula. Ever since the investigations have dug up really nasty stuff for a prosecutor, she has decided to morph into the repentant politician turned Methodist minister. Her first sermon will be, “I have repented of making money in politics, I’ve decided to be religious about pursuing cash!”
Peterson says
It is not that Jihadi’s parents will be given paradise. Jihadis in Paradise will be given certain number of passes. So he can use these passes to bring in anyone he pleases.
Jack Diamond says
70 of his relatives. Arabs were (are) all about clans.
somehistory says
islum takes the brains of people and turns them to mush. satan implants his evil directions and lies to them about what is their future and they swallow it whole.
This planet, the Earth itself, will heave a huge sigh of relief when islum is destroyed for all eternity.
Heaven is not waiting for her, and if her parents are like her, it isn’t waiting for them either. Just an everlasting dip in the fire that never goes out.
JawsV says
Islam glorifies death. The most exalted act for a Muslim is to die for the sake of Allah in Jihad. This is completely opposite to Christianity in which Jesus died for us. In Islam Muslims die for Allah.
Muhammad promised Muslims salvation from hell and admission to paradise only to those who slay and are slain. Christians avoid hell by being and doing good. Muslims avoid hell by killing non-Muslims for Allah. In a Hadith Muhammad said, “Allah will deliver to every Muslim a Jew or a Christian to kill which is a Muslim’s rescue from hell.” (Sahih Muslim 37:6665). This is the primary reason why Jihadists are so eager to “kill and be killed for Allah.” It’s their only way to avoid hell and achieve paradise.
You think our “leaders” know any of this about Islam? Not a chance. “Islam is peace!” say the dimwits.
Linde Barrera says
To JawsV- Thank you for your comment of 8:06 pm, Aug. 9, 2017. To it, I would like to add the following quote from Jesus Christ, recorded in the Gospel of John chapter 16, verse 2: “Indeed the hour is coming when whoever kills you will think he is offering service to God.” – New International Version.
somehistory says
Another verse from the Bible fits this article about a woman seeking to murder to secure a “blessing” for her parents.
“The blessing of Jehovah. That is what makes one rich and He adds no pain with it.(Proverbs 10:22).”
There is no murder, no suicide, no death or pain with the True God’s blessing.
Wellington says
Pathetic woman. Fitting though since the religion she adheres to is pathetic.
Bob says
Just as a matter of interest, what part are muslima promised in the boozy, bordello paradise?
JawsV says
Bob — Muhammad said the Muslim women all go to hell. No, they don’t get the boozy, bordello paradise! That’s only for Jihadis and their ever-regenerating virgins.
Wellington says
I don’t believe, JawsV, that ALL Muslim women go to hell. Mohammed did say that most of the people in hell are women but I think some good Muslimas get to go to Muslim Paradise but I’m unclear to this day what rewards, if any, they get. Of course, we know what the male gets in Muslim Paradise and may I end here by saying that anyone who really believes Muslim Paradise exists is, among other things, a total sucker.
gravenimage says
A female Jihadist would be one of the few Muslim women who *doesn’t* go to hell. This is their “reward”–getting to watch their husbands rape Houris and pearly boys for an eternity. Guess it beats hellfire…
What a repulsive religion Islam is.
gravenimage says
Indonesian suicide bomb plotter: “The blessing from jihad could help my parents enter heaven”
…………………..
This is what Islam teaches–that dying while waging violent Jihad guarantees access to paradise for both the Jihadist and for a large number of their family and friends.
In fact, it is the *only* thing that guarantees access to paradise–no amount of prayer, Zakat, or going on the Hadj does the trick.
And why is this? Because murdering Infidels is considered not just a good deed in Islam, but the best action any Muslim can take.
God, I hate Islam.
Mark Spahn (West Seneca, NY) says
“Islam teaches that dying while waging violent Jihad guarantees access to paradise for both the Jihadist [so says Quran 9:111] and for a large number of their family and friends [so says what aya or hadith?].”
What is the scriptural justification for the claim that a jihadi killer-suicider can secure for other people of his choosing a ticket into heaven? Where are the relevant regulations? This is an Islamic indulgence that the killer-suicider can sell for money or other consideration. Five hundred years ago this coming Halloween, Martin Luther criticized the market in indulgences. Where are the 95 Theses of the Muslim Martin Luther?
Jack Diamond says
See my reply above concerning the blessings of the martyr, which include interceding for 70 of his/her relatives. Relatives, not just “other people of his choosing.
gravenimage says
Right, Jack.
Mark Spahn (West Seneca, NY) says
Thank you, Jack Diamond, for the hadith reference and the reference to islamqa.info/en/8511 . I wonder whether “interecede” guarantees admission into heaven, or is just a jihadi’s recommendation, which Allah is free to reject.
Debi Brand says
“What is the scriptural justification for the claim that a jihadi killer-suicider can secure for other people of his choosing a ticket into heaven? Where are the relevant regulations?”
Mark, in addition to Jack’s reply, please read the following essay: (OpposingIslam) Tillerson’s Folly (“The Bliss of a Martyr”) : http://www.debibrand.org/tillersons-folly-bliss-martyr/
Tillerson’s Folly (“The Bliss of a Martyr”)
Mark Spahn (West Seneca, NY) says
Thanks, Debi Brand, for the reference. I’ll check it out.
Lydia says
Uh, no. But it will cause her to enter hell.
If she considers that a blessing or not, alas.
Baucent says
“The blessing from ‘jihad’ could help my parents enter heaven,” Novi said.
This is the mindset of the Jihadi on a suicide mission. They are not depressed people, they are almost joyful at the opportunity to strike a blow for Allah. And the best bit is they get a free pass into Paradise and from what this woman said, a karmic believe her “good deed” would also benefit her parents spiritual condition as well.
That is precisely why Jihad ideology is so difficult to undermine. It is extremely attractive to muslims.
gravenimage says
Very true. Especially many male Muslims look forward to an eternity of raping Houris. Joyful Jihadists refer to it as their “wedding day”.
Westman says
I dislike saying this, yet its true – it takes incredible ignorance, stupidity, or no alternative for a person to believe Islam. Who, (as an educated adult) with potential and opportunity would turn to this incoherent ideology? Islam survives and grows by control and bringing everyone down to its level.
Islam has no more future than the Inca religion of Viracocha, the religions of Baal & Hadad, or the gods of Greek Mythology. Humanity will either succumb to Islam or keep progressing and leave it behind as a past mythology. History proves that, with occasional halts, in the press of time, humanity continues to glean provable understanding of our universe and leave dogmatic answers behind.
I won’t live long enough to see Islam collapse, however, collapse it will.
gravenimage says
Islam attracts two kinds of people–either those so enmired in denial that they believe that Islam is a “religion of peace” and that it is “politically correct” and virtue signalling to convert, or–far more common–those who *know* Islam is violent, and it is the violence that attracts them. This last is why Islam is so popular with violent felons.
Westman says
Unfortunately this also works for Islam: “Train up a child in the way he should go,
And when he is old he will not depart from it.” – Proverbs 22:6
Too many are indoctrinated as youth and as adults their uneducated minds have been too altered to realize the falseness of their belief. It becomes their life. And, of course they must face the consequences of leaving a religion of which they had no choice. No compulsion in Islam is an outright, gigantic, lie.
gravenimage says
Grimly true, Westman.
There are some brave and principled people who leave Islam–but it is not common enough.
Robeaver says
Someone needs to help them all find a place in heaven, or hell, or paradice, or Vallhala.
The reform of Islam ideology? Take the cur out of curan? Any other ideas out there?
Arthur says
The Islamic Wedding Registry List:
1. Pressure cooker
2. Timer
3. Bag of nails
4. Vegetable garden fertilizer
5. Black powder
Cue the music: “We’ve only just begun….”
somehistory says
They also put meat grinders and other kitchen gadgets that might hold the invisible gas thingy that the recent four…not the fab four…wanted to get on the plane of 500 potential victims…as opposed to guests.
gravenimage says
Grimly hilarious, Arthur.
Guest says
This is what they’re telling these people now?! Telling the ignorant that if they commit murder then they’re loved ones will be spared. It sickens me how these cowards trick these people into doing their dirty work when they themselves don’t have the stomach to do it
simpleton1 says
That is how islam has always been.,sickening for unbelievers, and unwittingly so for believers.
Those organizers also know they run a risk of death, drones, artillery, snipers.
They do the organizing to increase their effects for the good of islam. They also gain kudos with allah, and also when they die, new leaders spring up.
We must never underestimate the knowledge, and purpose they have in serving allah.
We may see it as cowardice, but for them it is a sacred sacrifice.,
It is a sacrifice for the ones they really do love.
Sort of like laying down your life to save a friend or relative
And you can rest in peace in paradise with all the trimmings.
Nor are you going to hell, to be tortured repeatedly with burning.
Plus you are helping your family avoid a fate as bad as hell.
Unbelievers are considered simply not people.
After all some of them are descended from pigs and monkeys.
Others just willfully ignore the commands of life that can be found in the koran.
So it can not be considered murder..
All these things are done to further islam in this world and it is a muslims duty to do so,
So many things that we must discuss, debate with each other and with muslims.
Sure we will not win every muslim, but it should bring a great questioning.(that is not allowed in islam) though I doubt it can gain reform.
The internet is a great way to further discussion about islam.
Reasoning is the way in Utube, face book etc, and that is where islam wants to shut down this debate.
Muslims have many choices when they gain more knowledge and so lead to apostasy from islam.,
To go back to Christianity, or even back to Judaism.
Or they can forward to Armaddiyya which is an off shoot in the past century that has forsaken violence.
Bahai faith is a combination of some of those old religions, and its out come is also peaceful.
Also they could choose to be atheist.
I am sure many religions would welcome them, like Hindu, Buddha,
The important thing is we must keep Free speech, no matter what,
That is so that we can spread facts and knowledge.
Whether with jokes, mockery, cartoons, bill boards, books, readings, facts discussion and debate.
Father Zacharia Boutros has a $ 50+ million dollar bounty on his head as he has been very effective with beaming in satellite tv in the middle East.
I do figure that is age may have crept up a bit, but there is a heap of effective Utube clips, at many different levels
Very effective in how the koran drives islam with the hadiths as well.
There are series often with a great sense of humour, as well as straight debates.
Debi Brand says
“The blessing from jihad could help my parents enter heaven”
Of course, given:
http://www.debibrand.org/tillersons-folly-bliss-martyr/
FYI says
It is strange how and why muslims think that blessings could ever come from such evil.
Perhaps if they obeyed and followed God’s Original Commandments instead of {mo’s sock puppet ..}allah’s warped violations of them.
The idea that you can happily commit murder or do evil and be rewarded for it is completely at odds with God’s Original Commandments.
allah may promise to reward the evil-doers in paradise but God doesn’t.
There are some muslims who learn the koran by heart which of course is pointless because a more intelligent thing to do for muslims would be to find an enumerated list of God’s Original Commandments(..they are not in the koran of course..)and learn those and obey them instead.That is actually what counts:God’s Law- not allah’s warped teachings.
Perhaps..
Every koran should have a list of God’s laws pasted on the front of it.
Every mosque should be sent a copy of God’s Original Commandments with the sixth one {condemning murder }underlined so that they will understand that allah’s
koranic teachings are at odds with God’s law.Of course then they will see that what allah teaches is very,very wrong.Since allah disagrees with God’s Commandments-and he clearly does-it will become obvious that the koranic allah is a serious misrepresentation of God.
Once upon a time God gave His crystal-clear laws to mankind and yet somehow,when the angel jibreel gave mo the perfect book from allah in the 7th century…we suddenly have teachings completely at odds with God’s Commandments
Teachings that demonize “infidels”,that are anti-Christian,anti-Jewish,violent and misogynistic,teachings that are rather conveniently weighed in favor of the muslim male.
What would be the point of God giving us His Laws only for allah and his prophet mo to come along in the 7th cent A.D and TOTALLY CONTRADICT THEM and say in his “perfect” koran that it is perfectly ok to commit murder,steal from infidels,wage constant war,use women as sex-slaves etc..when allah’s koranic teachings are complete violations of God’s original Commandments?
PKG says
In response to Westman who wrote:
“Islam has no more future than the Inca religion of Viracocha, the religions of Baal & Hadad, or the gods of Greek Mythology. Humanity will either succumb to Islam or keep progressing and leave it behind as a past mythology. History proves that, with occasional halts, in the press of time, humanity continues to glean provable understanding of our universe and leave dogmatic answers behind.
I won’t live long enough to see Islam collapse, however, collapse it will.”
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At least Greek mythology represents a very interesting polytheistic cosmology with multiple gods, demi-gods and humans interacting with one another in an attempt to understand the complexities of human psychology…..
Islam is nothing but a barbarous death cult with no humour and no imagination….
I hope you are right when you say that Islam will eventually collapse, however, as long as we in the West have little faith in ourselves and our civilization continues to go down the suicidal path that we are, and with liberal secularism having gradually replaced Christianity, Islam will continue to fill the void …..
We need to keep up the fight and stand up for ourselves!
JawsV says
Islam is so messed-up. It has to have the DP apostasy law to keep adherents from leaving.
Todd says
Hell is where animals like you go. Paradice won’t have pedophiles and rapist in it. You have been decieved.
Walter Sieruk says
The phenomena of females who are jihad suicide /homicide bombers is tragic, sad, yet t interesting in a negative sort of way. The reasons for the delusional and murderous behavior by brainwashed, girls and women is the mind programming inflected on them by the Muslims clerics, as the imams, who keep telling them lines and lies. Such as “We will honor you” and “You will go to paradise” and “We are doing this for Allah.” That’s some strange kind of “We.” For the reader might ,very well ,notice the those same Muslim clerics who so thoroughly mind indoctrinate them into actually wanting to become human bombs are never, ever, the ones who strap bombs vest on themselves and then go out and blow themselves up in a suicide bombing. Those Islamic clerics just mind condition and then manipulate them to become, literally, dangerous to self and others by engaging in murderous bombs attacks. Ten the same Muslim clerics sit home safe all the while the deadly bombing are going on. Therefore those Islamic clerics who use those girls and women as stooges for the jihad are both despicable and cowardly.
In addition, Islam gives female be they girls or women, little to no value or worth because Islam because is, in essence, a religion of extreme misogyny. Nevertheless, the Muslim clerics and the jihadist leaders of different jihad organizations will not hesitate to use girls and women for the advancement of their jihad agenda for Islam. How Ironic. How unconscionable! How callous! They are so very wicked. The Bible informs its reader that “The counsels of the wicked are deceitful.” Proverbs 12:5. [N.K.J.V.]
gravenimage says
There is also the phenomenon of women threatened with “Honor Killing” being used as suicide bombers–their only chance to “redeem” themselves.
Walter Sieruk says
To Graven image, yes indeed , the jihadist talk, coercion and threats about “redeeming ” themselves are some of the many despicable and unconscionable ways women are manipulated and then exploited and used as stooges and tools for the furtherance of the Islamic agenda of the many male jihadists.
mortimer says
Fanatic Dian Yulia Novi said, “(Jihad) for me is a (good) deed to uphold ‘dien’ (religion) in Indonesia.” She thinks that terrorism and murder are what is needed to force Indonesians into Islam.
Mohammed said, ‘I was made victorious through terror.’ So who is Dian Yulia Novi that she should disagree with Mohammed?
Intelligence agencies around the world have to realize that ABSOLUTE DEPROGRAMMING of Muslims right out of Islam is the only way to stop jihad.
gravenimage says
Mortimer. when has this *ever* worked? You keep flogging the idea of “deprogramming”, but I’m afraid there are no facts to back up this being workable.
John A. Marre says
People who live according to those delusions should not be allowed in civilized countries.