UPDATE: Restored.
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It started with Jihad Watch, but it isn’t ending with Jihad Watch, or with AFDI, of which I am Vice President. The fascists have banned AFDI from PayPal and are no doubt moving down the list of the SPLC’s “hate groups” to crush all dissent from their line. AFDI’s President, Pamela Geller, tells the story:
They did it. PayPal has banned our organization, American Freedom Defense Initiative. It’s coming down fast, while hate groups like CAIR and the SPLC are getting millions from left-wing corporate managers. The SPLC received a two million dollar pledge from Apple and MGM Resorts International will match employees’ donations to terror tied group CAIR.
The left is awash in funding. And they mean to cut off everything from those working in defense of the free and the brave. I received notice from Ronita Murray in the Brand Risk Management department that PayPal has suspended my account, permanently.
We need your help.
PayPal Customer Service 1-866-528-3733 or 1 (888) 221-1161.
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Being cut off from domain registrars and other aspects of the internet backbone is something we expect from totalitarian governments. Now that power is in the control of almost-uniformly left-wing corporate managers.
We have huge projects breaking in September. Contributions from YOU are our largest source of funding. Please contribute. I have set up a Stripe account and am doing the same for AFDI.
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On Saturday I published an exchange I had with a Lauren Kirchner, young Hitler-youth type of journalist from ProPublica, an uber-left non-profit, threatening advertisers and payment services that were found on my site. I was not the only target, other counter jihad sites received this vicious “interview request” as well. Jihad Watch, former Muslim Ali Sina, Bare Naked Islam were also targeted.
Here is part of the interview which, I might add, Kirchner did not run, not one word.
We would like to ask you a few questions:
1) Do you disagree with the designation of your website as hate or extremist? Why?Of course I do. All my work is in defense of the freedom of speech, the freedom of conscience, the equality of rights of all people before the law, and individual rights. The claim that I operate a hate group is a vicious smear and eerily evokes the circumstances that preceded the rise of the Nazis in the 1930s
2) We identified several tech companies on your website: PayPal, Revcontent, Disqus, and Newsmax. Can you confirm that you receive funds from your relationship with those tech companies? How would the loss of those funds affect your operations, and how would you be able to replace them?
Once you start shutting down people on the claim that they operate “hate groups,” you have made the use of such platforms contingent upon holding certain political opinions. Beware, because in doing so you will be setting a dangerous precedent: one day your own opinions could be out of favor, and you will find yourself cut off.
3) Have you been shut down by other tech companies for being an alleged hate or extremist web site? Which companies?
No, because everyone recognizes that the Southern Poverty Law Center’s “hate group” designation is outrageously biased, and based on dissent from its hard-left stances. The SPLC makes a practice of lumping in groups with legitimately dissenting views with actual hate groups such as neo-Nazis, the Nation of Islam, etc. This is an attempt to delegitimize and silence all those with views that differ from its own.
4) Many people opposed to sites like yours are currently pressuring tech companies to cease their relationships with them – what is your view of this campaign? Why?
It’s a quintessentially fascist initiative. The fascists shut down all dissenting views. You are imitating them.
Anyone the left calls a Nazi is now shunned, ruined — their livelihood murdered.
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Reagan Grell says
Just donated for the first time and heading over now to cancel PayPal
Thanks for your work
HOWARD ALEXANDER STAFFORD says
I’m with her! Totally pissed at PayPal and everyone who is trying to block the truth and free speech! We are behind you 150%!
Debi Brand says
“It started with Jihad Watch, but it isn’t ending with Jihad Watch, or with AFDI, of which I am Vice President. The fascists have banned AFDI from PayPal and are no doubt moving down the list of the SPLC’s ‘hate groups’….”
Of course, as I posted elsewhere herein: because the information provided at this site and others like it, which speak openly of that written on the pages of the orthodox texts of Islam; obviously, those in power rule such sites as being sites airing the voices of “extremists.”
“And for that reason, this site and others like it must go–no room for such in our new coming world order.”
Neither place nor need for them in the world the McMasters of the world plot, toil, and spend to bring to fruition.
somehistory says
The devil is angry and his time is shorter every day. His workers are trying to keep up with his evil demands.
balafama says
seems to me that the antichrist beast system is slowly being established . without the mark (seal of approval) of the beast there will be no buying ,selling, your source livelihood is ruined . this is really panning out like the bible says it will . wow cant believe this is america.
the beast system is circumventing the govt and our constitution .the internet is now more powerful than governments, and controls so much of our lives . we have this control in the hands of a few people who can be easily manipulated.
the irony is that these fascist don’t really care for religion or muslims nor are they passionate about islam. huffpost constantly and unrelentingly demonizes christianity but these leftists are silent, they will claim they hate racists but will bet he first in line at every anti israeli rally .
somehistory says
I agree. We are seeing Jesus’ prophecy fulfilled.
Savvy Kafir says
No. These problems are created by humans. And they need to be fixed by other humans; by clear-headed humans grounded in reality.
epistemology says
We have to protest and tell Ronita Murray she mustn’t do what these fascists tell her.
Martin Mitchell says
I have just cancelled my PayPal account next I will change my browser and search engine and phone
D Austin says
Remember, Hillary and Obama funded ISIS, too! We’re now witnessing an ongoing communist attempt to overthrow the duly elected government of the United States. And as anyone paying attention knows, ‘Clinton enemies’ die like flies with a body count stretching from Little Rock days, well into 2017, that has still never been adequately investigated by anybody other than the independent media and certainly not by law enforcement, some who for 8 years had their ‘commander in chief’ as none other than Bill Clinton himself.
Over 175,000 people have signed a White House petition to have Antifa declared domestic terrorists and in the video below, we hear the so-called ‘alt left’ chanting ‘death to America’.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WW89FUSqMTM
Case closed. If anybody had ever made such threats to remove Barack Obama (aka Barry Soetoro), martial law would have been declared and America would have been locked down. What hypocrites reside within US politics and the mainstream media.
According to a recent poll from Gallup, President Trump has a job approval rating of below 40%, Gallup also recently determined that Congress’s approval rating is at a ‘below dismal’ 16% proving to us that as much as some Americans dislike President Trump, more than twice as many Americans despise those within the US Congress.
john franklin says
Those still trusting Polls, should not! You can be assured, Trumps base continues. They are not protesting or creating chaos, because they HAVE JOBS. They do not exist on a Political platform and are not paid as such. If you still pay attention to the MSM, STOP! One clue; if you were SHOCKED by Trump winning, that is the first clue that you are being manipulated by the MSM!
WAKE UP!
Ana says
All of you MUST sued not just the tech companies for discrimination, but specially the MSM companies that publicized the SPLC “hate group” lista as accurate . They fail in check the information. All of you have milions of dollars moral damages case against the MSM’s companies. You MUST sued these companies and SPLC in order to STOP the defamation. The judicial litigation is your ONLY chance before the completa censorship. Don’t miss the timing!!
anti-SJW says
I hope all the groups on the SPLC so-called “hate list” sue and bankrupt that awful organization for libel and defamation. It’s actually costing you money now. Maybe you could win. SPLC is a disgusting organization; they profit from promoting hate, not fighting it.
Yohanan says
Without paypal is JW bereft of funding? In the time of Pres Trump, it’s disingenuous to write that [only] the left is awash in funding See W.Post of June 3 on David Horowitz Freedom Center –
https://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/how-a-shadow-universe-of-charities-joined-with-political-warriors-to-fuel-trumps-rise/2017/06/03/ff5626ac-3a77-11e7-a058-ddbb23c75d82_story.html
PS 1) MEMRI reports that the neo-nazi Daily Stormer site found a server in the .ru domain. https://www.memri.org/reports/russian-independent-media-outlet-meduzaio-western-far-right-groups-started-migrating-russian
2) Who gets to decide limits to freedom of speech in an open democratic society?
WorkingClassPost says
Revolutions never take place when governments, press or TV call for them.
They happen when those instructions are distrusted and despised and word of mouth is the only reliable source of information.
When people rush to read hand written pamphlets and home printed newsletters, that is when governments fall.
What is happening today is the start of this.
If they ever get to shut us down completely, it will probably be the last thing they do.
Dov Berrol says
Can we also send US Dollar Money Orders for Jihad Watch to AFDI’s PO Box in New York City? I don’t have a credit card and live outside the USA. I want to support this site.
epistemology says
This is what I wrote Ronita Murray:
Dear Ronita Murray,
this is a request from Europe. I’ve been a PayPal customer for seven years now and I’ve always been satisfied with your services, you’re quick and helpful and eager to solve any occurring problems. But what is happening right now is totally outrageous. Your action to the great site JihadWatch is beyond the pale.
We the readers and commentators of this wonderful blog need JW to keep us informed. In times like these when the world is full of liars, appeasers and Islam/Jihad apologists we need somebody as intrepid as Robert Spencer who tells us the truth and defends free speech amain. Free speech is at stake even in the United States where you have the First Amendment something unique in the Western world. We all see free speech as a basic human right but it’s only constitutional in the U.S. and now fascists like ProPublica’s Lauren Kirchner want to eliminate this basic human right which guarantees that a democracy really works.
How can you comply with the requests of an irresponsible and stupid person like this Lauren Kirchner? I can’t fathom it. This transforms our free and civilized world into a totalitarian jungle.
I strongly recommend you read Robert Spencer’s brilliant answer to this woman’s questions. https://www.jihadwatch.org/2017/08/leftist-journalist-lauren-kirchner-of-propublica-threatens-jihad-watch
I quote:
“The intent of your questions, and no doubt of your forthcoming article, will be to try to compel these sites to cut off any connection with us based on our opposition to jihad terror. Are you comfortable with what you’re enabling? Not only are you inhibiting honest analysis of the nature and magnitude of the jihad threat, but you’re aiding the attempt to deny people a platform based on their political views. This could come back to bite you if your own views ever fall out of favor. Have you ever lived in a totalitarian state, where the powerful determine the parameters of the public discourse and cut off all voice from the powerless? Do you really want to live in one now? You might find, once you get there, that it isn’t as wonderful as you thought it would be.”
I also recommend you read Robert’s latest book “The complete Infidel’s Guide to Free Speech”, it’s very revealing a real eye opener. .
It’s not too late you still can reverse your decision and cancel the ban. Nobody is perfect and we all make mistakes once in a while. But it’s important to realize when one has made a mistake and correct it. The basics of science are trial and error.
I’m really worried
Best regards
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I signed with my real name, hope this helps. All the best to Robert and all the other supporters, the fight must go on.
MasQueNada says
Very good letter, epistemology.
epistemology says
Thank you Mac and it obviously worked, I alreadyx wrote to Ronita and thanked her. Unity is strength and the fight must go on.
John S. Obeda says
Thank you epistemology for showing us your answer. It encourages us to write our letters in this battle to get the truth out to a world that doesn’t want it. God bless all of us in this fight and keep us encouraged..
PRCS says
I don’t know how it would work, but long past time for like-minded websites to setup their own “members only” ISP and funding stream.
Amigo de Israel blog says
Blocked on Facebook after posting this post on Facebook page. FASCISM!
Georg says
What has Islam ever done for leftists? Oh yea… it’s a foil to white people. That places it pretty high on the totem.
More Ham Ed says
Just start a group with the words “poverty” “law” and “center” in the name & leftists will go ham and think of you as a messiah since it’s all about “words” and redefining the dictionary with leftists. Leftists believe IT’S ALL “caused” by “poverty” (not behavior and decisions).
Matthieu Baudin says
So the Faith Freedom International website (managed by Ali Sina) has also been frogmarched away by the zealous umpires of correct thinking (PayPal). This is a particularly nasty assault against those tens of thousands of Apostates From Islam who have benefited greatly by their association with that online community. Many broken lives have been restored largely as a result of the mutual support and outreach offered through Faith Freedom, and the insights offered to the broader community into the core nature of Traditional Islam has been invaluable.
Jim Conch says
Yep, cancelled the PayPal account.
somehistory says
It’s good they got the message. Money is the bottom line with so many. And then, there are those who care about the freedom to speak the truth.
Mike says
Hey I have an idea, start a paypal like business that caters to making payments like those banned by pay pal possible.
Dolores says
Yes, and call the new payment site Freedom Pay!
mortimer says
Jihadwatch is like PHYSICIANS AGAINST SMOKING.
Jihadwatch is revealing why JIHAD IS BAD FOR YOUR CONTINUED BREATHING… JIHAD KILLS.
Lydia says
It’s ironic too, that definition they list in their cancellation notice; it applies to them and the groups exposed by the ones they are banning. Christians are being persecuted for not endorsing homosexuality and islam and for exposing islam. So they come after us and those like us instead of going after the true islamic terrorists! It figures.
It’s all so backwards. It’s beyond politics, it is a spiritual and supernatural battle.
Anyway, love to you all and thanks again for everything, no matter how long JW is around!
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Robby says
This started not with Jihad Watch but with BNI, the site is still banned.
Matthieu Baudin says
Today’s large international corporations have developed a taste for social control that is rivaling that of national governments. While citizens routinely raise privacy concerns regarding information kept by their government bureaucracies they seldom hold up international corporations to anything approaching the same level of scrutiny and yet this is where most of the data on individuals is kept and is then exploited as these corporations see fit. And when some of these corporate giants collude to coerce the political expression of individuals it looks awfully like Cartel strangulation of the public sphere.
TL says
I have argued for years that incorporation with limited liability ought to be abolished. Let’s hope that the recent unmasking of giant corporations as tools of leftist orthodoxy (and engines with which to finance totalitarianism) will motivate many more people to condemn ltd liability incorporation and to seek its destruction world wide.
D Austin says
That nonsense about corporations being “persons” came about in Santa Clara County v. Southern Pacific Railroad Company, 118 US 394 (1886). A United States corporate law case of the United States Supreme Court on taxation of railroad properties. A headnote (which is not a judicial decision) issued by the Court Reporter claimed to state the sense of the Court regarding the equal protection clause of the Fourteenth Amendment as it applies to corporations, without the Court having actually made a decision or issued a written opinion on that issue.
Matthieu Baudin says
Thanks TL and also D Austin; I hadn’t thought about the issue from the angles you’ve presented so I’ll now get out and swat up around the limited liability/accountability topic. Thanks again.
Aaron says
I was coming here to post the address for Paypal legal/complaints department, but I see Jihad Watch has already taken care of it. I will ask though how the hell did you get the customer service number? I got the other number which is automated phone tree nightmare and wasn’t even easy finding that number on their webpage.
In any case, if you’ve cancelled your paypal send them a formal letter telling them why as well:
2211 North First St.
San Jose, CA 95131
P.S. when I called the customer support number the girl said that this was first she was “hearing of it”. Please, just don’t cancel your Paypal account because honestly, our cancellations are statistically not relevent to a company of Paypal’s size) but tell them why. They have to understand that we each represent thousands of silent voices and this action hasn’t gone unnoticed and could come back to bite them in the ass. The loss of business from us is not significant for them, but the potential loss of business for injecting themselves into politics may be, especially if the worm ever turns.
davej says
The hijacking of free speech by “social media” sites like facebook and paypal is censorship, pure and simple. What’s next – Amazon refusing to sell Robert’s books?
This blacklisting of certain groups or opinions is truly Orwellian, except it is being conducted by for-profit Corporations, not the Government. So a better term is Corporate Fascism.
Matthieu Baudin says
“… The hijacking of free speech by “social media” sites like facebook and paypal is censorship, pure and simple. What’s next – Amazon refusing to sell Robert’s books?…”
What’s next? Well perhaps not ‘next’ as in the ‘immediate next step’ but the Gold Standard which I’d anticipate the British and French authorities are already eyeing off is an outright Google Listing Ban on Jihad Watch, Faith Freedom International and several other sites that intelligently delve into the nature of Islamic Texts and objectively explore Traditional Islam.