Congratulations, lovers of freedom: your messages to PayPal and your cancellations of your account worked: PayPal has restored the Jihad Watch account. I just received this email:
Dear Jihad Watch:
Effective 08/21/2017, the limitation applied to your account associated with https://www.jihadwatch.org pursuant to our User Agreement was removed. Your services are being reinstated.
PayPal’s Acceptable Use Policy in our User Agreement prohibits individuals and groups from using PayPal for activities that promote hate, violence, or racial intolerance. If we become aware of a website or organization using our services that may violate our polices, our dedicated team of professionals conducts a thorough review. Ultimately, a decision is made and communicated to the organization. In this instance, we have made the determination to lift the limitation applied to your account associated with the Acceptable Use Policy.
Sincerely,
Benjamin
PayPal Brand Risk Management
PayPal
The Left, seeing a golden opportunity when a Nazi psychopath plowed his car into a crowd of Leftists in Charlottesville, tried to use the moment as its Reichstag Fire, and crush all dissent from the hard-Left line. And there is no doubt that initiative will continue. But in banning Jihad Watch, PayPal overreached, and encountered a crowd of free citizens.
I have no intention of restoring the PayPal buttons on Jihad Watch. I know where they stand now, and do not intend to place myself at their mercy again. But nonetheless, this is a victory. Free people still exist in the United States, and the fascists who call themselves anti-fascists will not prevail.
Please help us continue our work: donate to Jihad Watch here (not a PayPal link).
Some guy says
Great news Robert , And for donations , Consider using Crypto currencies like Bitcoin or Litecoin etc
Mark says
No need.And Congratulations to all freedom lovers for sending message to paypal forcing them to wake up from their stupidity.
When citizens are organised , aware and willing to fight this using the social . Legal methods its possible to win against the Islamonazis just as Parents of san diego school did http://tinyurl.com/y8yzso88
Its a lesson on how to fight back and win. Its far more difficult in Europe due to Pro-islam Left/liberal Loons running the govt.
Lydia says
That’s right!
It’s a win for freedom and democracy!
And I was just going to bring that up, I was one of those who fought against the islamic indoctrination in the San Diego schools!!! Another win!
If people stop being so spineless and take a few risks for the virtues and principles we all benefit from, victories do await!
Mark says
Thank YOU and Everyone who Learn , share and fightback. That’s the only way to stop Islamic takeover of the country.
Peter says
Thank you Lydia for fighting against the lies and propaganda spewed by cair in San Diego.
Georg says
Thank you for your contribution in San Diego, Lydia. It was a powerful assertion of the people upholding our Constitution in the face of subversive menace. History is not on the side of those taking pot shots at America, but the perpetrators seem to be as determined as they are foolish.
bob kelly says
Linda Bully for you in your success against San Diego schools, we are having the same problem tight here in Toronto
gravenimage says
Thank you, Lydia.
Hodl says
I agree on this, try crypto. Also agree with Robert to not restore paypal button. If you knew it’s shit, let it be shit.
What’s the point of reinstated it anyway? How immature their decision was.
Westman says
Oops, sorry I killed your job without even finding out what you do ’cause some buddy said I should. Such arrogance and immature power. How could Jihad Watch trust PayPal again?
I’ve been reading through the SPLC “900 hate” list and are they ever lazy, lumping in Christian organizations with neo-nazis. Their actual equivalent criterion is “does this organization push back against some other group that can’t change their spots?” And they even got that wrong. They might as well put the US military on their list! Jihad Watch, only through writing and discussion, pushes back against violent Jihad ideology, something the SPLC needs some personal experience with – like needing protection as does Robert Spencer. Does the SPLC support attempts on Robert’s life by Jihadists?…shameful.
Apparently PayPal doesn’t want Congress breathing down its neck. Smart move. It will be interesting to see if Google goes political on YouTube. I’m keeping an eye on David Wood’s site and a few others.
Kepha says
The SPLC is itself a hate group. I take their lumping in of pro-life, pro-traditional marriage, and similar groups with the Klan and neo-Nazis as primaa facie evidence that they are a totalitarian group seeking to impose a New Left ideology on all of us.
PRCS says
You’re not alone.
Donald R Laster Jr says
I have to agree as well. The SPLC is a typical “Leftwing” hate propaganda operation. They appear to work hard to silence those they disagree with.
Frank Anderson says
Having heard an SPLC speaker for about an hour, I have to agree that it is, in my opinion, a blind hate spreading enterprise designed to rake in money while lying and misleading at every opportunity. They won’t and don’t get any of mine.
gravenimage says
I could not agree more, Kepha.
Dabakr says
Do have any links that discuss how the SPLC got to be the go to source on anything pertaining to hatred and how they have maintained this lockhold on the U.S. media? (I mean, other then the fact that the US msm is biased towards the left) where is the money stream?
Westman says
“..our dedicated team of professionals conducts a thorough review” Uhhhh.. our dedicated professionals conducted a thorough review and cut off your account….then, our dedicated professionals conducted a thorough review and restored your account. Stupefying!
Guy Forester says
Our dedicated team of professionals:
Hear no evil, see no evil, speak no evil. That is because they are too stupid to tell the difference between truth and a lie, complicated by the fact that they do not want to know the truth.
RalphB says
Can you believe they put out that explanation with a straight face? It’s the king and Queen of hearts from Alice in Wonderland all over again:
“Let the jury consider their verdict,” the King said, for about the twentieth time that day.
“No, no!” said the Queen. “Sentence first—verdict afterwards.”
Peter says
I think some thanks to PayPal are warranted. (And to those who protested, of course. All I did was share the news on Facebook :)) But it can be hard for corporations when under political pressure, and I thank Paypal for making the correct decision.
Frank Anderson says
Sarc/ON. Dear PayPal, thank you for joining in defaming JW and all its supporters. Thank you for milking them for your handling fees and the mileage (interest) you make off holding their money. Thank you for being so mindless and ready to aid corruption, lies and tyranny that you showed not only JW but also all its readers and supporters just how dirty and ready to aid, abet, counsel and act in furtherance of evil that you are. We love you for showing us how stupid we are by continuing to do any business with you or those you front for. SARC/Off.
Only a spineless jellyfish or a fraternity pledge straight out of the movie Animal House (“Thank you sir. May I have another?”) thank someone for conduct such as PayPal displayed.
Savvy Kafir says
I agree. The suits at PayPal did a VERY bad thing … but then they realized their mistake & put things right. We should give them credit for that.
Do we really want to be enemies with everyone? That seems like a really bad approach.
There are lots of people out there making bad decisions regarding Islam, free speech, etc. Once they wise up, we should welcome them into the fold and embrace them as allies — whether they are individuals or corporations. We should not snub them because of their bad decisions of the past — decisions based on ignorance & political correctness & fear.
I was incredibly pissed off when PayPal cut ties with Jihad Watch. But now that they’ve reversed their decision, we should thank them and give credit where credit is due.
t. says
I 100% agree with you, Savvy Kafir! You’re really a wise Kafir.
gravenimage says
I agree, Peter–no matter how craven their motives, PayPay *did* eventually do the right thing, and that deserves some kudos. I will be writing them.
Delphi says
I’m a leftist feminist. This is a win ! Since when did the left start being in the business of media censorship. If you can’t stand the heat, or the truth, get out of the kitchen!
PRODOS says
Delphi writes: “Since when did the left start being in the business of media censorship.”
Honest, freedom-loving people have more in common than their Left/Right labels (whatever those mean) might suggest.
I fully support your position, Delphi.
Savvy Kafir says
I’m another Lefty who is puzzled by the Regressive Left and its war on free speech, as well as its brainless support for Islam — the most ultra-conservative ideology on the planet — a system that is hostile to everything progressives are supposed to stand for.
I’m glad to see a few other Lefties showing up on Jihad Watch in recent months!
Donald R Laster Jr says
The “Left” always has been active in silencing those they disagree with. I would recommend you do some research on how the “Left” operates and what they have done in the past. About the only “Leftwing” or “Progressive” organization that has been honest were the National Socialist. Which is why the “Left” has worked so hard to distance themselves from them and pretend they were on the “Right”.
Take the time to read “Rules for Radicals” to understand how the “Left” operates. And always remember the basic foundation of the “Left” is “Supremacy of the State and Supremacy of those in control of the State”. A review of the history of 1920/1930 Germany and the conflict/actions of the National and International Socialist (both “Leftist”) can help one understand how the “Left” operates.
Don’t confuse what the “Left” or “Progressives” call the “Right” which is usually the opposite side of the same coin as the “Left” with the actual “Right”. The actual “Right” is about “Supremacy of the People and the State serves the People”.
gravenimage says
Welcome, Delphi!
bob kelly says
Great
paypal backed down —– but don t stop there sign up with another pay service company and forget paypal, others will follow you Robert. paypal can hang out with the nazi’s and the homicidal, suicidal muslims.
crusaders hu akbar says
Congrats to the JW team , keep the fight up and stay strong , we will prevail
D Austin says
Wait until Antifa finds out PayPal is capitalistic after all…
Westman says
In America, Corporations, by law, must maximize returns to shareholders. Their own board and investors would have eventually caught up with whoever made this ill-advised decision and kicked them out the door. It may still happen.
Andrew Maizels says
There’s no such law. Businesses can do whatever is legal and their shareholders and customers are willing to support.
Frank Anderson says
Andrew, MY OPINION, I am pretty sure that the fiduciary duty of corporate management, including the board of directors, is to maximize shareholder value. Please search “shareholders derivative action” for more and better details. Publishing a false description of JW’s activities with the intention of crippling or killing its activities, is almost certainly at least a technical defamation (libel). Making a case against a multi-billion dollar company loaded with attorneys and influence would cost millions, and years, easily costing far more than could be recovered in a lawsuit. The most effective and efficient redress is to take away their cut of JW’s business, and let PayPal etc stew in their own juices. JW has more productive places for its time and effort. IN MY OPINION. Please check out the terms and think about it.
Ren says
The leftist fascist stifling of freedom of speech won’t prevail. They’re using “hate speech” to ban speech they don’t approve. They are acting against the first amendment and they won’t win.
Agha Ali Arkhan says
Ren: Perhaps they more accurately should be called “Bourgeois Bolsheviks.”
Ren says
@Agha Ali Arkhan
Regular Americans probably don’t know what “Bourgeois Bolsheviks” are.
Kepha says
I am not quite as sanguine about First Amendment rights. It is clear that the American Left has begun an assault on thought of which it disapproves, whether its neo-Naziism (which I also dislike) or traditional Christianity. We’ve seen the first skirmishes in lawfare against Christian businesses that do not wish to celebrate the sexual revolution (while leaving the Left’s Muslim allies alone).
A century ago, a New York judge by the name of Learned Hand wrote that when liberty dies in the heart of a people, the best constitutions and institutions cannot revive it. Unfortunately, the Left’s Gramscian march through the institutions, including the legal profession, academia, schools, and government bureaucracies, has proceeded to a dangerous point. We have had officials in the last administration openly express their admiration for Mao Zedong, while former Pres. O openly admitted that he saw the Communist Frank Marshall Davis as a mentor. Ernesto Guevara Serna y Lynch is a pop culture icon, when his memory should be execrated by anyone who loves liberty.
PRCS says
“the Left’s Muslim allies”
And vice versa, which a visit to the CAIR website makes clear.
Ren says
@Keha
You said it: “…when liberty dies in the heart of a people, the best constitutions and institutions cannot revive it”.
I believe many Americans have much liberty in their heart and they will fight for it. The very foundation of the American society is based on freedom. The Left is only a fringe easily debatable.
JW_Reader says
Congratulations Indeed! Well done Sir! And to the Jihad Watch community. I was very worried about the future of Jihad Watch and the great objective of exposing Islam. Lets keep it going.
Sally says
The fact they removed anyone that speaks the TRUTH, proves they have been infected with those that want to silence and endanger our country. A phopia is an irrational fear, there is nothing irrational about speaking truth the Muslims practice Islam that promotes killing infidels and marrying babies.
Lydia says
Right, they are banning the truth, they are truth-o-phobes.
Georg says
The Koran is replete with passages, delivered at nauseating pace and regularity, incredibly more “hateful” than anything every featured in the articles of Jihad Watch. This intellectual parlor trick of asserting drawing attention to hate is hateful is coming to an end. Embarrassing that such a logically flimsy tactic upholds as it does.
zulu says
Awesome, I was all set to call Paypal and cancel my account. Targeting conservatives does not make good business sense.
gfmucci says
You should still do it. They are still who they are – pro-leftist; pro-Antifa; pro-progressives; anti-conservative.
Jim says
I agree I will not renew my account just to show them they cannot stifle freedom of thought and expression hopefully they’ll go under
Georg says
Absolutely not creating another account. Such an unprovoked assault on our most basic assured right as an American will never be forgotten.
Deborah L Kern says
I cancelled mine and won’t be reinstating. I also informed paypal I was donating to Jihad Watch. We all should send something, even a small amount. Thx Jihad Watch for telling the truth.
Mark A says
Cancel it anyway. The fact that PayPal did this in the first place shows which side PayPal is on, and it’s not our side.
Emanuele Ciriachi says
You should definitely still do it.
PRCS says
Well that’s good news, but:
Now that PayPal has come around–for now–and as I’ve never had a bad experience with PayPal, can I still access my PayPal account to send a periodic donation to JW?
Dave says
PRCS, read the bottom of the article for donations. They are no longer using PayPal. They did this with VDare.com also, and I promptly canceled my account with PayPal.
PRCS says
Actually, I’m asking–as JW is no longer a PayPal pariah–if JW will receive a donation sent via my PayPal account.
Although Robert won’t be using them from HIS end…..
Vic says
Yes, now we know where PP stands on free speech and their message leaves me with the idea that JW is still at their mercy depending on how they choose to interpret their terms or when they will cave in due to the pressure exerted on them by one of their “partners”. No, thank you. I have decided I don’t need to use their services and I am not going to reactivate my account.
I already signed up to donate monthly with the new provider and it was extremely easy to set up the transaction. Not my experience with PP.
God Bless Robert Spencer and all the excellent work being done by JW and its writers.
Westman says
Vic, I think you’re right about, “their message leaves me with the idea that JW is still at their mercy”. It seemed to me as a “clenched teeth” statement that was forced and subject to change at the first opportunity.
RonaldB says
I have sent my contribution already to Jihad Watch.
As far as I know, PayPal still has a ban on Vdare. They are not reinstating Vdare because Vdare does not have the same clout. I join Robert Spencer: screw PayPal and I am not reopening my account.
James says
I come to your site to see what it was about kind of obvious but wanted to see for myself if I thought that you weren’t being racist I was going to cancel my pay pal glad to see I don’t have to but I was going to. Things are getting crazy in this country people need to open their eyes to what is going on around them!
Saipan Sam says
I sent you money trhough the other link… and I certainly don’t regret doing it
gfmucci says
Nor do I intend to restore my PayPal account anytime soon.
David, Thailand says
Not a victory at all, by virtue of the fact that they have the power to and did restrict services to jihadwatch.
The Left are flexing their muscles, and have sent the message that they are find certain truths distasteful and have flagged and will scrutinise every word posted with a view to legitimise their next restriction.
Or, of course, Paypal’s owner, Ebay, are intimidated and know it is impossible to properly protect their many premises and thousands of employees from the peacelovers.
Lydia says
It is a victory actually, but only in terms of people power and support for JW, which shows up as a win for democracy, we fought and we won, we have a voice. They would not have done it otherwise at PP, so for them it is the same, only backing down under pressure. I would not assume their views had changed otherwise, it’s just about $$$.
Wellington says
PayPal made a gutless business decision, otherwise this communication would have indicated both error and an apology. Robert Spencer is correct in not trusting in PayPal ever again. As Mr. Darcy in Pride and Prejudice said, “My good opinion once lost is lost forever.” Just so.
As for Prowhatever the hell’s name it is, the SPLC and that silly person, Kirchner, stick it where the sun never shines. Just so.
mike9a says
she is going to have hard time with decision where to stick it! when everything is total eclipse, starting with light-less brain!
Westman says
Amen, but a little kinder and less toilet paper.
I’m wondering if the excessive inclusion of milder sites was a collusive trial ballon by SPLC/ProPublica and the “new billionaires” to test their power and see if conservative sites would roll over and die or fight back.
Georg says
“As for Prowhatever the hell’s name it is, the SPLC and that silly person, Kirchner, stick it where the sun never shines. Just so.”
Cram it. And don’t let us see you all around these parts again.
carpediadem says
Why did they decide to follow the SPLC’s recommendations anyway? Who made the SPLC boss of everyone or even credible?
mgoldberg says
That is indeed good news…
I think Jihadwatch needs to go into and document the scurrilous disinformation ideology of the SPLC and
develop this for all the groups that are now and will in the longer term be abused by Morris Dees and his
war chest there. This is just the beginning, and unless the information connecting the scurrilous activities, the disinformation of the SPLC, and it’s connection to all the leftist (antifa) and Jihadist outfits that are determined to diminish the civil liberties of us all, this battle will go on and deeper yet.
mgoldberg says
not to mention a lawsuit with all those anti jihad sites bringing the suit against SPLC and Propublica for
defamation and libel. Just the news exposure, the sifting and winnowing of the obvious truths of the matter would be worth the initiation and opening of the news coffers to the perfidy. That’s whats really necessary- to allow the public to see the perfidy for what it is… the attempt to eradicate their freedom.
Georg says
Strongly agreed. This was a brazen act of defamation, deceit and and a frontal assault on our First Amendment rights. If they want to launch something so unwarranted and unprovoked it would be obscene not to seek recourse.
epistemology says
Great news indeed, and I’m glad to have contributed as well. Gonna write an email thanking Ronita, as I wrote to her before.
Cheers Robert, but the fight must go on.
gravenimage says
🙂
Matthieu Baudin says
These myopic haters of plain speech are determined to drag us into the ring and beat us up whenever an opportunity arises. These are worrying times but the quickest way to go under is to lack courage. We need to look for inspiration and encouragement from groups such as the Anti Slavery Movements of the past and the Apostates From Islam in places like Malaysia, where people still have the courage to pose for group photographs so as to reach out to the rest of the world with their message of freedom of conscience.
Georg says
That photo of the atheists/apostates in Malaysia was certainly powerful and makes one reflect on what it is to be courageous.
Pet Charles says
Here is the text of an email I sent to PayPal based on their action against Jihad Watch.
Dear PayPal:
Your organization appears to systematically target those who tell raw and uncut truth about Islam by citing the text of the Qur’an, and the haddiths, by closing their accounts.
It is apparent to the whole world that since the influx of Islamic immigration into Europe, and increasingly in the US and Canada, incidents of terror attacks committed by followers of Islam have increased.
The facts and graphic display of the carnage cause by these attacks must be displayed for all to see so that the people can make an informed decision. The people who commit these attacks, and those who aid and abet them, are hate filled. Not the people who explain why, and who expose the carnage.
I urge you to cease and desist from targeting organizations that are keeping the public informed about Islamic terror without fear or favor to none.
Best wishes,
Pete Charles
t. says
Pete Charles, it’s really a well thought of and to the point email!
Thanks,
Lydia says
Sounds just like I wrote it!
Good work!!!
( ;
Georg says
Great e-mail.
gravenimage says
Fine post.
WorkingClassPost says
Good news indeed.
SPLC exposed.
Even better is that pp received a lot of hits, and decided to check out JW for themselves to verify that libel, and quickly saw the truth.
They will probably do the same for the other sites and maybe get an education.
Let’s hope they keep reading.
eduardo odraude says
Paypal just caves whichever way the popular wind blows at the moment. So tired of these conformist cowards in business, media, and politics. F them.
Karly says
This is just the greatest news. I am so happy. I closed my PayPal account and I will not open a new account, not ever. They are closing down too many people.
Long live Freedom of Speech especially when it is the truth.
Wyatt says
Well, shoot. If this post had appeared 10 minutes earlier, I’d still have my PayPal account. Oh well.
Walt Parkman says
I am a person of extremely modest means who barely belongs in society. But I happily donated to Jihad Watch today (using the new link) because of the sheer delight of seeing paypal being corrected and the defeat this gives to the jihadi-leftists. Today was a good day.
Georg says
Good for you, Walt. I’m in debt due to student loans, but plan on increasing my contributions substantially once in the black. You belong here.
JawsV says
I’m very glad I took the time to email PP. I said I would never use PP and would discourage anyone else from doing so. Bravo Robert we (all at Jihad Watch) did it!
Frank Anderson says
I learned a long time ago at great expense to walk away from people who are unworthy of my time and certainly unworthy of my trust. I have found new friends, some of whom similarly failed to be worthy, and moved on. PayPal makes money by handling JW’s money, if it does. So do the credit cards used to put money into PayPal. What sense does it make to pay about 6 percent of a contribution to handlers who care little or oppose entirely the goals of JW? Where possible in the US, a Post Office money order is cash in hand for the desired recipient the moment it is received and deposited. I don’t claim to know all the alternatives available to those outside the US who do not have access to our Post Office.
Staying with PayPal shows that one is a sucker. If they can pull this one and get away with it they will pull another, knowing if they get caught, they can always back down and go right on milking those they wish to destroy. Getting away from PayPal and any other institution that backs totalitarian causes shows them they are dispensable and the alternatives are plentiful. Don’t make your enemies stronger. Get off the fence of indecision and denial. We are in a war that Islam declared over 1400 years ago that will go on as long as Islam exists. “Convert, Submit, or Die” or Fight.
Frank Anderson says
Thank you.
Karly says
It’s more than a war against Islam, it’s a war against SUPREMACY.
ProPublica and its overlords such as SPLC and Google bathe in the power they exert over people. Take a look at the ProPublica website, it’s quite obvious they are very dedicated to taking down Trump. This is political and their charitable status should reflect this, although I doubt it.
Frank Anderson says
Karly, I think you are correct. I would point out that the war declared by Islam 1400 years ago is being used as a guiding light by others who wish to conquer us. For the moment, like Hitler and Stalin before June 22, 1941, they are collaborators. When the collaboration becomes inconvenient they will fight each other. We are in the middle, drowned by ignorance, indecision and cowardice of people who refuse to see. Those of us who do see must struggle not only with the real enemies of liberty, but also others who do not want to get off their “fence of safety” believing until it is shown the lie it is that “Islam is the religion of peace.” I know that I repeatedly reference Viktor Frankl’s “Delusion of Reprieve”; but it is for a good reason to help people understand how easy it is to live in a dreamland when reality is too horrible to face. Dreamlands get people to delay acting until there is no viable action other than death.
carpediadem says
Never heard of the Delusion of Reprieve before but I know exactly what you mean!
Frank Anderson says
Carpediadem, “Delusion of Reprieve” is a discovery made by M.D. psychiatrist Viktor Frankl as he endured the death camps. His book, Man’s Search for Meaning, is very short and to me extremely readable. It is divided into 2 parts: his death camp experience, and his proposal for a theory of psychological treatment called “logotherapy”. Prior to Frankl, Freud, Adler and Jung developed a number of theories to aid in helping people with problems. Jung proposed that “distant goals” help one endure immediate challenges. I think Frankl’s proposal based on his observations in Nazi death camps stressed that immediate goals keep one going in the worst conditions. If Islam and its collaborators have their way, we are in a death camp now. If we let it! Please consider reading the book for better information.
Dan says
Frank: I read Viktor Frankl’s “Man’s Search for Meaning” when I was in high school, around 1971. Even though he experienced terrors like few of us could ever know, he endured.
I have carried his lessons throughout my life and have often told friends about the book and have given it to my children when they were older. They appreciated Frankl’s message.
I am now 63 and this book had influence in my life like few others.
Lucia Bartoli says
I am so pleased that the power of many. voices with the same message has obtained the right outcome.
Linde Barrera says
To Robert Spencer- I periodically have posted, and have to tell you again right now, right here, that YOU ARE ONE OF MY HEROES. Thank you for being brave and brainy. And shake what your mama and papa gave you! ???
Lydia says
I ditto that!
gravenimage says
Seconded!
Milo says
BRAVO!!!!!
WE WON!!!!!
The Taliban Left, lost.
I literally stooped everything I was doing to post on Disqus and spread the message to as many of my influential contacts to fight this tooth and nail.
Obviously, so did everyone else.
Debi Brand says
Wow. That was fast.
Awesome. Good deal.
carpediadem says
Agree! Congratulations Robert!
mortimer says
Banning Jihad Watch is similar to banning Mothers Against Drunk Driving (MADD) or banning Physicians Against Smoking.
Jihadwatch raises awareness of JIHAD and how jihad can STOP YOUR BREATHING.
Does Paypal want 1) to STOP PULMINARY ARREST through JIHAD?
Or does Paypal want 2) to PROMOTE PULMINARY ARREST through JIHAD?
RONITA MURRAY… Please select 1) or 2).
Norger says
ProPublica just published a snotty self-congratulatory article implying they had cut off Jihad Watch’s “lifeline” by getting PayPal to drop Jihad Watch. They also made a pathetic attempt at claiming victim hood status for their intrepid cub reporter, Lauren Kirchner, who wrote (or probably more accurately whom they made sign) that monumentally arrogant, imperious and threatening letter to Jihad Watch. (Robert Spencer published her name, e-mail address and photo!)
https://www.propublica.org/article/leading-tech-companies-help-extremist-sites-monetize-hate
In your face, ProPublica. Glad to see that you don’t need PayPal Mr. Spencer. I canceled my account and I’m not going back.
Lydia says
And, Lauren and the SPLC are the ones ‘monetizing hate’!
Shmooviyet says
Spot on, Norger & Lydia–
The attackers get some of their own back, and immediately retreat into quivering victimhood– classic bully behaviour.
Let’s see splc lose their revenue status..
Georg says
“And, Lauren and the SPLC are the ones ‘monetizing hate’!”
Great point. I suspect you are quite awesome, Lydia.
JIMA says
We won a fight! But PayPal has lost my business, I will never trust them again to ensure my transactions do not have to pass through their SJW moral filter. I would feel better if their email actually appologised or acknowledged their mistake, but nope. They learned nothing while teaching us the capricious nature of corporate profiteering. I have learned a lot.
I support you Robert, I will not hide anymore, not to these amoral globalists. When the world turns against us, pity them, and realize that we can only rely on each other to hold the truth for all to see. Never give up, never compromise and never ever ever allow your anger to turn to hate!
somebody who values freedom says
YES. The immoral, amoral, atheist Left lost this round. But the fight continues. Every generation has to fight to keep freedom. This generation fights the Left and Islam.
Edgar Allan says
HOW ABOUT OLD FASHIONED CHECKS, OR MONEY ORDERS?
JUST PUBLISH A PO BOX ADDRESS AND WE CAN ALL USE IT.
IT’S SO SIMPLE, EVEN AN INTELLECTUAL COULD UNDERSTAND IT.
PKG says
I’m very relieved and glad to hear it – however Paypal have nonetheless shown their true colours,
What a massive assault on freedom of thought, freedom of conscience and freedom of speech!
– George Orwell will be turning in his grave!!!
I regularly turn to JW and Gatestone for a scholarly reliable balanced analysis of issues -so what a victory this is indeed!!!
Thank you as always Robert and Jihad Watch!!!!
Paul Adcock says
Recall how they bullied North Carolina last year and then bullied us just now? I think they’ve shown their true colors and are not to be trusted.
Milo says
https://pamelageller.com/2017/08/paypal-bans-geller.html/
Commenter- https://disqus.com/by/disqus_LxacVXadBU/
PayPal is not alone. Free translation.
Hi, I am Adi Sofer Tani and I am the CEO of Facebook Israel, I block
conservatives that spread hatred in Facebook. I am proud of the
Thought Police I managed here.
——————————————————————————————
(pity I can’t post a picture)
BTW I saved this (I reported it and the post was removed). Does anyone
have any idea why the CEO of Facebook Israel would moon-lite and drop
in @ pamelageller.com? Coincidence?
Facebook Israel CEO asks court to gag lawyer
http://www.globes.co.il/en/article-facebook-israel-ceo-asks-court-to-gag-lawyer-1001037223
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Israel walks tightrope in clash with Facebook, Google
http://www.timesofisrael.com/israel-walks-tightrope-in-clash-with-facebook-google/
Public Security Minister Gilad Erdan (Likud) earlier this month
lambasted Facebook founder Mark Zuckerberg for allowing Palestinian
incitement and hate speech to run rampant on his social media site.
Erdan charged that Facebook hinders Israeli police efforts to catch
terrorists and declared that Zuckerberg has “some of the blood” of
Israeli teenager Hallel Yaffa Ariel on his hands. Ariel was stabbed to
death in her bed last week by a Palestinian teenager who publicized
his desire to die for the Palestinian cause in a number of Facebook
posts in recent months.
Justice Minister Ayelet Shaked has also said that social media giants
Google and Facebook must be held accountable for criminal activity on
their websites, and both Erdan and Shaked are drafting a new law that
aims to “remove offensive content from social media” as part of their
campaign to fight online incitement. Another Knesset member proposes
fining Facebook $77,000 for every post that includes incitement which
the social media giant doesn’t immediately take it down.
Milo says
This was the Pic that came with the nasty comment.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0Bzbdnu-Wv6A2WG5YUEMtak5LbHc/view?usp=sharing
marc says
that’s a fake profile, not real CEO FB Israel, Adi Soffer-Teeni would be Israel’s Director at Facebook
Milo says
I have news for you that is her picture on Fakebook and many other sites. This was a diqus reply at Pamalageller.com.
At Disqus the user’s activity is private.
Her profile is “Mal @disqus_LxacVXadBU”
marc says
you’re being played Ted, that’s Adi Sofer like you’re really Milo.
as for disqus, and privacy https://replyable.com/2017/03/disqus-is-your-data-worth-trading-for-convenience/
gravenimage says
Thank you, Marc.
Yohanan says
1) A sign of government corruption – our current Israeli government suppresses freedom of speech against domestic social protest. A clause was added to the libel laws not to insult judges, social workers or other officials and civil servants. Israel’s family justice system equates protest bloggers with terror crimes. 3 leading family rights activists arrested in Feb are awaiting trial, detained “until the end of proceedings”…
2) The PayPal letter (from Benjamin, PayPal Brand Risk Management, as Spencer quotes above) doesn’t explain their “thorough review” or subsequent turnabout. It’s a reversal without apology and without addressing the issues of free speech and the legitimacy of counter-jihad information.
3) Now for ProPublica and SPLC and wider public, to use pulicity opportunity to focus on counter-jihad information.
RonaldB says
Ok.
I’m sorry to bring this news.
PayPal did not reinstate the JihadWatch account because people were closing their accounts.
“In the second quarter of 2017, more than 210 million [PayPal] accounts were active worldwide. ”
https://www.statista.com/statistics/218493/paypals-total-active-registered-accounts-from-2010/
Realistically speaking, even if 3 times the number of people writing in the comments actually closed their PayPal accounts, I don’t think even a statistical study would be able to detect any change in business. It’s just too large to be affected by customers.
The large internet-based service providers are playing to government, regulators and the news. They could care less if you, as a user, are upset.
The good news is that you only get a real monopoly through government mandate or government gatekeeping of competition. The more profitable an enterprise, the more competition enters the field. The proper way to pressure government is to pressure them to loosen all regulations in the field and for Pete’s sake, don’t give in to the temptation to have the government jump in and save your inconvenience. Government as the white knight morphs into the man who came to dinner.
Anti-jihad says
Thank God for the victory!
Stephen says
If paypal wants to get back in good graces they should first visit and see what kind of hate goes on at the SPLC and then pull their button from the SPLC site. The button is there under one time donations.
Lydia says
That’s what they should have done in the first place!
PRCS says
I’m glad this worked out.
While Robert Spencer no longer has a PayPal “Donate” button at the site, for those who still have a PayPal account (as I do–for personal reasons), donations to JW can be made to Robert’s usual email address:
director@jihadwatch.org
As an aside, I’m sending a thank you to PayPal for lifting JW’s limitation.
Lydia says
Remember, in this battle things go a few steps this way and then that way and yes, their agenda is marching on, advancing either way and we need to be prepared. This is just reality.
But I’m glad about this either way, no matter how it came about.
Lydia says
The paypal retreat from attacking JW that is.
Mark A says
Glad to see JW will no longer work with PayPal after PayPal banned JW.
I will never use PayPal after this incident and I will contact PayPal to tell them so.
I suggest all other JW readers do the same.
Baucent says
Great news. The Far Left is actually a numerically small group, and their economic clout is less than the people they like to defame as “Far Right”. PayPal realized they were angering their own customers by the unjust action against JW, and did the sane thing, reversed the decision.
Bozzi says
I am glad for that victory and I pray for the continuation of your service to the nation, to enlighten the people about the dangers and fruits of islamic ideology.
Here is an excellent speech from a Moroccan Christian : https://www.facebook.com/285340875229842/videos/389491674814761/
Allan Mandrowski says
On a relevant note: I posted a comment on Kirchner’s article on ProPublica and surprise surprise, they removed it! It wasn’t anything obscene, just calling her out for her fascism.
Free speech and honest debate. Not a virtue of the fascist left.
Emanuele Ciriachi says
Good job. I’m still cancelling my account of course, and I suggest Jihadwatch to transfer all the payments somewhere else ASAP!
Georg says
Just wanted to say congratulations to all here. However, this is tempered by the outrage and foreboding over this happening in the first place. It shouldn’t have happened.
Thank you, Robert, for all you do. We don’t have many like you. In fact, you are singular in your potential and efficacy and I suspect this is only a small showing of the degree to which we will “go to bat” as we will not stand any more from the left’s promulgation of Islamofascism over Western Liberalism.
This is an important example and a call exemplifying to need for stronger organization, presence, and unanimity among us.
Vann Boseman says
I found the link below to this story on the ban on the first page of a Google search of PayPal. I think that it could be that this sort of publicity makes a difference to PP:
http://www.breitbart.com/tech/2017/08/21/paypal-bans-jihad-watch-from-accepting-donations/
nicholas tesdorf says
I will be leaving my now cancelled PayPal account, cancelled, just as Robert advises.
libertyORdeath says
Here, here!
Jayell says
“PayPal’s Acceptable Use Policy in our User Agreement prohibits individuals and groups from using PayPal for activities that promote hate, violence, or racial intolerance.”
Very good and honourable. I would like to see a detailed explanation from Paypal as to exactly how they made that accord negatively with JW’s clearly stated and expounded mission of honesty and informed intellectual integrity, especially as JW is headed by an exceptionally well-qualified authority on its focus subject. Or does Paypal have a problem with honesty and informed intellectual integrity?
moeped says
A win for the good guys. The small wins add up.
Georg says
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6EuAZsz_z_U
Ron says
GREAT – we beat the bastards! But don’t rush to re-new your membership of Paypal. Their unprincipled actions have demonstrated their immorality. There is clearly only one thing they are interested in and it sure as hell isn’t honesty, fairness, or truth. Their guiding light shines out of their arse – otherwise known as:-
“THE BOTTOM LINE”.
Frank Anderson says
Ron, please don’t insult bastards by comparing children born out of wedlock with the tyrants who wish to enslave all of us. William the Conqueror was also known as “Bill the Bastard”. A child did not ask to be here. He has no choice in the circumstances of his birth. I believe it is written in Deuteronomy 24:16, “The father shall not be held for the sins of the son; nor shall the son be held for the sins of the father.” In some translations “held” is replaced by “put to death”. Civil death, banishment from the community, is still effectively death. Is that what you want for somewhere close to half of the children born in the world?
D Austin says
Yet he does not leave the guilty unpunished; he punishes the children and their children for the sin of the parents to the third and fourth generation.” (Ex. 34:7)
Frank Anderson says
In Deut 23:2 in the King James version: “A bastard shall not be a member of the congregation (community) nor shall his children to the 10th generation.” 1) The word translated as “bastard” is really “mamser” which is a child resulting from adultery or incest between TWO Jews, and only TWO Jews, not the ordinary garden variety child by “accident”. 2) Deut 24:16 negates the condemnation of TEN generations because a man and woman have done what men and women do, make babies. 3) At no time in the Bible, or anywhere in Jewish history has any child EVER been excluded because of birth circumstances.
Those before us were gutless spineless, and sightless cowards to let Communism and Nazism get as far as they did in making the problems we face right now. But then 1400 years of Islam hardly shows any great strength or understanding of the future it promises. Yes, there are multi-generational consequences for conduct. But don’t try to describe evil by the unfortunate circumstances of a child’s accidental conception and birth. When and where I was born, about a quarter of all births ended in adoption. The with changing moral imperatives, statistics for out-of-wedlock births and abortions is now probably close to half worldwide, Why do such brave, insightful people have to say what they consider insults to half the world’s population when there is little or no connection to the people and conduct they wish to condemn. Does it make them feel strong and powerful? Got News: Bastards can fight; Just look at “Bill the Bastard” aka William the Conqueror. I wonder how many bastards are reading and supporting JW in its most laudable and honorable quest? How do they feel about this insult?
gravenimage says
Oh, good grief. I am a bastard myself–this was not my doing.
Jews and Christians are not persecuting those born out of wedlock–what claptrap to imply that they are.
Phil Copson says
“….. If we become aware of a website or organization using our services that may violate our polices, our dedicated team of professionals conducts a thorough review. Ultimately, a decision is made and communicated to the organization…..”
Westman has touched on this, but read the corporate Newspeak again and compare it’s self-aggrandising boasts to what actually happened.
What “team of professionals” ? (What do they even mean by a “professional”, other than as a word to hide behind ? – I hardly supposed that Paypal’s decision-makers worked there for free…). Their communications come from people who don’t supply their full name or any direct e-mail or ‘phone number. Is there actually anyone called “Ronita” or “Benjamin” there ? If there are five Ronitas or ten Benjamins at Paypal, do they all sign themselves interchangeably and untraceably in this way ? What “thorough review” ? No one from Paypal contacted JW, and I doubt that anyone there took it on themselves to read any of Robert’s articles or watch any of his videos. All that has happened here, is that they received a complaint, and some manager said “What’s our policy on this? We don’t want to be out-of-step with whatever’s in fashion this week, we don’t want to be mentioned in the press as supporting a “hate group” (whatever one of those is), we won’t miss the few bob we make out of JW,so we’ll push them under the bus without a second thought. Oh look – there’s a butterfly….”
Paypal’s statement is simply a bare-faced lie.
Phil Copson says
And who else’s accounts have they closed ? An e-mail needs to go to everyone on that SPLC list and see what consequences have been inflicted upon them.
Max Publius says
The one good thing that may have come from this is you probably have a few new regular readers now at Paypal!
FYI says
Unfortunately consumer confidence in paypal has been completely shattered.
An organisation that behaves in such a way is clearly allowing itself to be influenced by wealthy powerful people with an agenda.
Somebody made the decision to target JW and try to shut down free speech using false arguments about “hate speech”.
Somebody with a lot of money to finance such leftwing assaults on freedom and democracy.
Somebody happy to finance the curiously misnamed ProPublica.
It should easy to figure out;FOLLOW THE MONEY….
Japetto Donatelli says
You rock Mr. Spencer!
Nobody is going to tarnish your good work and reputation without a fight, and I’m sure everyone else in here agrees. You are an educator that deserves a voice in our nation. The fact that the subject you deal with is so frightening to some is precisely why it’s so important. Apparently at least one person at Paypal understood this. I’m glad they came to their senses and removed this stain on your good character. Your work saves lives, only the dumbest among us don’t know that. Stay strong, Bro, and may god guide you in your good work.
Freeman says
Hey, http://www.jihadwatch.org team > DO NOT USE PAYPAL NOW. They have shown who are they. Check Patreon web. You can have monthly payments from your patrons. It is best money platform for TV Shows, podcast, bloggers etc. Only 5% fees. They are great and you can create your own page, add videos and posts. Here is my affiliate link if you want to receive reward, but you can go directly to their page https://patreon.com/invite/pylppg
Use other platforms and don’t worry. It is always good to know the enemy of Freedom. Everything is backward now, but it is just the beginning of a global awakening. Use other platforms.
Don’t concentrate on fights which lead you away from your goals.
Phemmy says
Good News. This is why we need to speak with one voice in other to resist promoters of hatred who do not want their per-versed way of reasoning exposed. They teach and preach hatred and when you bring it to the fore, they label you Islamophobia and all forms of wrong appellation. Meaning they do not want to hear the TRUTH. As the TRUTH hurts them.
If then change your way.
TL says
PayPal wouldn’t last another whole quarter without the licensed scam artists and paralegal support staff who populate PayPal’s law and public policy department.
Brian Kirk says
I quit Twitter when they banned Milo. Quit PayPal when they banned you. Eff these fascist companies.
Amier Sharabani says
Excellent work everyone. It is defenders of freedom like you that give me hope.
t. says
You’re right, Amier! That’s why I come regularly to this site to keep my sanity in this increasingly mad world.
gravenimage says
+1
Brett_McS says
Just donated using the new payment system. I will definitely avoid PayPal in future.
John A. Marre says
How many Jihadis are using Paypal to fund their operations? Does Paypal care?
wm1 says
Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me. Like Robert, I won’t be fooled again. Now we know who these people really are, at their core. I canceled and will NEVER return. Got along fine before using it, and will get along just fine without them. Pay Pal is dead to me…
Lor says
Thank-you Robert Spencer and Jiihad Watch for “promoting” the Truth about radical Islam and for sharing your knowledge of the Koran – which in no way is a religion of peace or tolerance .
Am glad that Pay-Pal backed off. The truth of a matter will always exist on its own terms.
Lawrence Person says
Now who do we write to to get Amazon to restore your affiliate account?
marc says
Sadly no details given, the buttons still work, but I wont be able to make new ones
Ref: jwbooks06-20
Amazon Associates
Hello from the Associates Program,
We are writing to tell you that effective as of today’s date, Amazon is terminating your Associates account. Under the terms of the Operating Agreement, we may terminate your account at any time, with or without cause. This decision is final and not subject to appeal.
It is important that you immediately remove all Amazon Content from your Site(s). Please be aware that any other accounts you have, or may open in the future, may be closed without payment of any fees. Amazon reserves all other rights and claims.
Because you are not in compliance with the Operating Agreement, Amazon will not pay you any outstanding advertising fees related to your account. Amazon exercises its right under the Operating Agreement to withhold fees based on violations, which include the following:
-A separate account belonging to you (or a person or entity connected or affiliated with you) has been closed for violations of the Operating Agreement or one of the other Associates Programs operated by our affiliates.
Thank you for your participation in the Amazon Associates Program.
Warmest Regards,
Amazon.com
http://www.amazon.com/associates
gravenimage says
Very grim.
Alarmed Pig Farmer says
So the specter of bad publicity made things right for JihadWatch.org. But there are cycles within cycles, and the PR momentum on net seems to favor the reduction of free speech. Congrats to Spencer and team, and someone in Congress should publicly call for the removal of ProPublica’s tax exempt status. The IRS Director isn’t going to do it, he’s with the other team.
Ola says
I prayed against all enemies of freedom and of the gospel yesterday in my local church in Nigeria.
The gates of hell can never prevail!
t. says
It’s really encouraging to hear about your praying for the benefit of all of humanity in your local church in Nigeria, Ola!
Ola says
That’s my widow’s myth
Hummer says
This should of never of happened in the first place. I appreciate all Robert has done to inform and educate over the years and that is never more important than now.
Politicianaphobia says
I will stand along side Robert Spencer come hell or high water. I love his “SEE SOMETHING, SAY SOMETHING” approach to reality. Long live free speech.
awake says
Too bad pay pal has no issues with providing services for this
https://www.leoweekly.com/2017/08/white-people/
Deplorable JR. says
Either way i just cancelled my paypal account ive held since 2005, hopefully they will lose enough longtime customers to get their attention. I made it very clear why i was cancelling.
D Austin says
Joni Turner, a highly respected San Diego litigation attorney, has announced her plans to file a criminal & civil lawsuit against CNN on behalf of the American People that are being targeted as “Radical Terrorists” in their own country.
She announced her plans to file a class action lawsuit against CNN, stating “I’m determined to use my Legal Career to hold CNN and Southern Poverty and Law Center Responsible for Criminal Targeting of Americans! Join the Fight!”
She had been observing how media outlets, specifically CNN, was deliberately inciting violence by groups such as Antifa, which she refers to as the “alt-left”, against conservatives across the country, she kept looking for a way to hold them legally accountable, so she started researching cyber bullying and menacing laws, and she thinks she can prove in a court of law that CNN, working directly with SPLC, to the point where they even used the SPLC hate map to target conservative groups before taking the map down four hours later, that ” CNN is conducting a covert civil war against the American people and this can be felony.”
Menacing Law and Legal Definition: “Menacing is a crime governed by state laws, which vary by state, but typically involves displaying a weapon or a course of conduct that intentionally places another person in reasonable fear of physical injury or death.”
Harassment Law and Legal Definition: “Harassment is governed by state laws, which vary by state, but is generally defined as a course of conduct which annoys, threatens, intimidates, alarms, or puts a person in fear of their safety.”
Cyberbullying, via Find Law: The term “cyberbullying” refers to the use of Internet and/or mobile technology to harass, intimidate, or cause harm to another.”
http://allnewspipeline.com/Class_Action_Lawsuit_Against_CNN.php
PABLO says
Restoration is GREAT. But, I am calling on Ronita Murray to be fired. I would hate to think that because she has some black in her she is an on touchable. Hey Ronita are you concerned that that Muslim Arabs still have” NEGROS” as slaves?
alex says
Excellent news. It is the right thing to stop giving any future business to PayPal.
Kenneth Felton says
” If we become aware of a website or organization using our services that may violate our polices, our dedicated team of professionals conducts a thorough review.”
What BS. PayPal is taking the hate group SPLC’s word for who is to be purged. They wouldn’t have relented if they hadn’t have customers bail on them. This is what we can expect. There will be many more and many won’t have the support to be re-instated.
I have cancelled my account and won’t be going back. This is just the beginning.
Phil Copson says
” “If we become aware of a website….. that may violate our polices, our dedicated team of professionals conducts a thorough review.”
What BS. PayPal is taking the hate group SPLC’s word for who is to be purged. They wouldn’t have relented if they hadn’t have customers bail on them……”
Exactly – Paypal didn’t conduct any “thorough review” – this was just some manager whose first words would have been “JW ? who are they, and how much do they spend ?” – weighed up the loss of revenue compared to the thought of bad publicity from vindictive left-wing activists posing as journalists, and decided to go with the flow.
Had they actually conducted a “thorough review” then (A) they would never have reached the decision to drop JW, nor – if they were genuinely convinced that their first decision was correct and supported by the facts – would they (B) have re-instated JW’s account.
What kind of argument is this: “Our team of dedicated professionals have conducted a thorough review of the facts, and we genuinely believe JW to be a hate group. On second thoughts – no, you’re not…”
Historian says
Perhaps we should denounce the SPLC as a hate group for their blatant anti-Semitic, anti-Israel and anti-white stance and ask PayPal to end relations with them.
Frank Anderson says
Historian, I respectfully disagree. Morris Deas of the SPLC in Montgomery, Alabama has been making money and getting publicity about as long as I have been alive. Those who know what it does either love him and it or they hate him or it. Those who do not know move on with their ignorance and lives. Helping “us” means getting “us” to understand there are a whole ocean of people who want otherwise. The more publicity and sympathy SPLC gets by being attacked, instead of exposed as the hate group and source it is, the more money it takes in to fund its lies. I wrote elsewhere that I spent about an hour listening to a speaker from SPLC (I don’t remember whether I recorded the presentation); and was singularly unimpressed with the shotgun of accusations with so little support. I suggest and urge that “we” continue our work on alerting and informing people about the present dangers, including SPLC, and let them decide who they will support. liberty or tyranny and lies.