I’m not in favor of banning books. Thought control and thought police are hallmarks of totalitarian regimes, and we’re getting perilously close to living under that boot on the face in the West. The Chinese authorities, like all totalitarians, are going to discover that they cannot entirely suppress thoughts through force.
That said, this is one of the first, if not the very first, official recognition by any modern government that the Qur’an does indeed contain “extremist content”: a great deal of material that incites believers to commit violence against non-believers. The Chinese should be countering this mother-lode of bad ideas with better ideas, rather than trying to stamp it out by force; at the same time, if Western governments would admit the existence of the Qur’an’s “extremist content,” they may be able to formulate more effective and humane ways to counter the threat that results from that content. But that will most likely only happen when it is far, far too late.
“Chinese Police Order Xinjiang’s Muslims to Hand in All Copies of The Quran,” Radio Free Asia, September 27, 2017 (thanks to The Religion of Peace):
Chinese authorities in the northwestern region of Xinjiang have ordered ethnic minority Muslim families to hand in religious items including prayer mats and copies of the Quran to the authorities, RFA has learned.
Officials across Xinjiang have been warning neighborhoods and mosques that ethnic minority Uyghur, Kazakh and Kyrgyz Muslims must hand in the items or face harsh punishment if they are found later, sources in the region said.
“Officials at village, township and county level are confiscating all Qurans and the special mats used for namaaz [prayer],” a Kazakh source in Altay prefecture, near the border with Kazakhstan told RFA on Wednesday.
“Pretty much every household has a Quran, and prayer mats,” he said.
Dilxat Raxit, spokesman for the exile World Uyghur Congress group, said reports have emerged from Kashgar, Hotan and other regions of similar practices starting last week.
“We received a notification saying that every single ethnic Uyghur must hand in any Islam-related items from their own home, including Qurans, prayers and anything else bearing the symbols of religion,” Raxit said.
“They have to be handed in voluntarily. If they aren’t handed in, and they are found, then there will be harsh punishments,” he said.
Raxit said announcements are being made by the police via popular social media platform WeChat.
“All Qurans and related items must be handed into the authorities, and there are notices to this effect being broadcast via WeChat,” Raxit said.
“The announcements say that people must hand in any prayer mats of their own accord to the authorities, as well as any religious reading matter, including anything with the Islamic moon and star symbol on it,” he said.
“They are requiring people to hand in these items of their own accord,” he said.
‘Three Illegals’
Earlier this year, Xinjiang authorities began confiscating all Qurans published more than five years ago due to “extremist content,” according to local officials, amid an ongoing campaign against “illegal” religious items owned by mostly Muslim ethnic Uyghur residents.
The Qurans were appropriated as part of the “Three Illegals and One Item” campaign underway in Xinjiang that bans “illegal” publicity materials, religious activities, and religious teaching, as well as items deemed by authorities to be tools of terrorism—including knives, flammable objects, remote-controlled toys, and objects sporting symbols related to Islam, they said.
The Kazakh source said that earlier directives calling for the confiscation of Qurans and other religious items hadn’t been effective, and so the authorities are now stepping up the pressure and placing the onus on individual households to hand them in under a compulsory program….
nicu says
I am not a fan of the Chinese system , but this is great ! They also forbid Muslim women to wear Hijab or men to wear long beards !
Bev says
I just said to my husband that the chinese are doing exactly the right thing. Need to make sure they kill the pet goat too.
Shane says
Yes, but there is not much support in the West to treat the Koran like a terrorist manual and ban it. We should all support President Trump’s travel ban and the RAISE act which would switch our immigration system to a merit-based system and decrease immigration to 500,000 a year. Tell The U.S. Senate To Support The RAISE Act: https://proenglish.org/proenglish-action-center/
The RAISE Act has been introduced by Sen. Tom Cotton and Sen. David Perdue and it is supported by President Donald Trump, and it is shorthand for the “Reforming American Immigration for a Strong Economy Act” and also known as S 172.
Michael says
Banning the Quran is beside the point. What should be criminalised is the assertion that it is the word of God, and the relevant head of crime under biblical law is capital blasphemy.
CM says
That is a great idea. I would also add to the bill that the immigrant must swear publically that he is to uphold the constitution and obey local laws. I heard that Obama allowed these immigrants to opt out of swearing allegiance to this country. That should be brought out in the open.
gravenimage says
Michael wrote:
Banning the Quran is beside the point. What should be criminalised is the assertion that it is the word of God, and the relevant head of crime under biblical law is capital blasphemy.
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Your claim that there are Christian theocracies, and that they are criminalizing thought and “blasphemy” is utter calumny.
PaulM says
I fully agree with you. And “stamping out by violence” is the only thing that Muslims understand. I can’t believe that the author of this article actually did not fully condone and support this
Chinese action. Islam and Muslims are a very dangerous, fascist organization that must not be allowed propagate as they have been. They make their intent and desires very clear and well known: The killing of any an all human beings on this planet that do not agree with their sick, twisted, perverse and evil way of life.
Johnny Cuyana says
NO! NO! NO! This is NOT great!
Nicu, you write: “I am not a fan of the Chinese system, but this is great!”
Alternatively, what would be great is to promote — particularly here in the USA and all other Western-type countries — a Classically Liberal Education for all of our young citizens; where the search for “truth” and the development of critical thinking skills prevail; where, further, above all else, no education is worthwhile unless it is supported by a well-developed moral compass; where such requires the recognition of the dignity, and the guarantee of inalienable rights, inherent in all people.
Yes, I am aware this will “never” happen in communist China; however, please remember: as much as the ChiComs would like to burn kkkorans, they will burn ten times as many Bibles.
Armed with a solid education and a functioning moral compass, most individuals will be afforded tools necessary to recognize the treachery, the barbarity and the profound inhumanity which is at the heart of the fundamental death cult muhammedan; further, it will be relatively easy to recognize when our quasi-leaders — bush, obama, blair, etc — try to dupe us into believing that muhammedanism is a “religion of peace” … when clearly it is anything but.
No: book burning is NOT the answer. The best disinfectant is the bright sunlight of the clear day.
DQX says
Yes Johnny, this IS great. Your prescription is like making suggestions for rearranging the furniture while your house is burning down.
The Chinese lack a free press but they also lack a “fifth column”, a subversive press. Chinese leaders ARE “armed” with education, they DO recognize the treachery and barbarity of Islam and have hereby demonstrated the courage and prudence to take this decisive, effective, non-violent action. The Chinese are able to distinguish between Christianity and Islam and do not burn Bibles. Mao Zedong is long dead as is his ridiculous book and artifact burning program. This article says nothing about book burning so neither should you.
I would like to hear news about the Brits or Americans resembling the Chinese’s prudent decision. Given our subversive mainstream press, such prudence also requires courage.
Jayell says
All very good, but sadly where Islam is allowed to take root it seems to pollute the atmosphere and produce a very gloomy toxic cloud cover so that it can execute its criminal profanities under cover of a blackout of proper democracy and freedom. At which point your ‘solid education’ would have been irreparably corrupted and your moral compass rendered useless through massive ‘environmental interference’. That seems to be the way Muslims operate as they infiltrate a society. I’m afraid that, in my humble opinion, the Chinese haven’t gone far enough. Mr. Spencer is absolutely right when he says that you might well successfully ban books, but you can’t thoughts. And the disease of Islam can be difficult to spot if those infected, following the edicts of the creed to lie and deceive, deliberately mask the symptoms as we have seen them do time and time again here in the West. The only logical solution is the removal of all who have had any connection with Islam to those areas of the world that have been established as ‘islamic’ over the last 1,000 or so years. You might call that a kind of global quarantine or perhaps a kind of religious global apartheid, but that’s in any case exactly the sort of thing that has been engineered by Muslims in the West as they repeatedly misappropriate whole geographical areas of Western cities, build their mosques, impose their will and identity and ultimately expel those who don’t ‘fit’. We would simply be playing their game – either that, or we don’t survive.
Savvy Kafir says
If there is another solution that can actually work, besides the one Jayell is recommending, I have never heard of it.
Frank Anderson says
JC, remember the ruling by the US Supreme Court in Wisconsin v Yoder: The Amish were permitted to restrict the education of their children to prevent them from being equipped to participate in the modern society, about the 8th grade or less. How little does one really understand upon graduating from high school with the liberals doing the teaching various next-generation liberal, snowflakes and generally socialist “organizers”? Islam has been going for about 1400 years. It only stops when faced with overwhelming and determined resistance.
Thinking that islam can be “taught” out of “believers” is delusional in the face of the facts that brainwashing starts as soon as children can be made to hear, and continues daily for the rest of their lives. Few see the evil and leave, because they are sentenced to death, with their families, if they do. Remember the 3 year olds dressed up as suicide bombers in the “palestinian” territories (Terror in its own Words, E.D. Hill, Foxnews)?
The Chinese, sad to say, may have found one way to slow down the conquest of their society. We have hardly found any one to protect ours.
gravenimage says
Yes–it would be great if China became a free country–I don’t think anyone here disagrees with that. But their being overrun with Jihadists is not going to make things better there.
Kepha says
Absolutely, Johnny. This is the typical, ham-handed, tyrannical, and ultimately stupid Chinese Communist action. It’s the sort of thing that got rural health officials in southern China murdered and “disappeared” by the people they supposedly served when they tried to push the one-child policy a little too hard. It drove Chinese Evangelicaldom from a few million in 1949 to pushing near a tenth of China’s population now.
I can even now envision Qur’ans being hidden, unofficial imams whispering jihad, Uighur police being quietly told they’ll have to choose between their masters and their kin, and very, very, very dark days for the nascent Uighur Christian church; as well as the far larger churches of the Han, ethnic Koreans, Hmong, and other peoples further east. It will probably even get Hui whispering about whether they can truly trust the current Chinese state or not.
When living in Guangzhou, I bought bread and raisins from Uighur migrants. Back in those days, they could be friendly enough to Westerners. Their gripes sounded a lot like the standard colonized people’s gripes about the occupying power, frankly–with things like grandparents murdered for refusing to raise pigs. While I am no fan of Islam, I cannot help but see in China’s troubles with Sharki Turkistan a little bit of kharmic payback for the CPC’s own self-righteous posturing about colonialism and a failure to check its own logs in the eye. While I’m at it, I can’t help but recall the CPC’s castigating the USA over its racial problems when it was fostering an image of black people in its own people that saw the Affrican as “barely out of the trees”.
As a Christian of partial German Jewish descent, and with Chinese connections, I am not for the banning/burning/confiscation of even Mein Kampf, Mao’s Little Red Book, or the Handmaid’s Tale (which I see as scurrilous hate-mongering of the Julius Streicher kind). I am for honest and open speech and publishing; and this is one reason why I will never be supportive of a ruling Communist Party (nor will I be supportive of an opposition one).
jamesmi says
Well said. However repellent Islam may be, cheering on a totalitarian regime for taking measures against them is no solution. Today, Muslims are being proceeded against; those who support them cannot afford to forget that tomorrow the victims will be someone else – as in the past they have been.
Tom says
Islam is a terror, murder, hatefilled , pedophile cult Not a religion. Just as its ok to curb a mafia , its perfectly ok to curb Islam/Nazism.
Trump has signed law to use full force to go after violent hate groups. Islam, antifa , BLM can be defined as these “violent hate groups” because they are involved in such crimes not KKK,, ” white supremacist”.
America’s First Muslim President , Obama also pulled a Taqiya for many years justifying bringing in “refugees” . what Dems and corrupt media would not tell you that 98% of these “refugees” were muslims !
And christians , yazidis who were the real refugees were denied !
Dems including Obama have not only denied refugees status to christians from middle east who are real refugee but even have deported christians back to ISIS territory to be slaughtered by ISIS http://tinyurl.com/mtc3xch Not one MSM media covered it !
Mahendra Singh says
Will it unleash a wave of “refugees” seeking shelter and possibly permanent relocation
in the west, or in India? As of this moment India is expected to absorb a million
Rohingiya “refugees”, because they cannot live in a non-Islamic country like Burma.
Pretty soon ” human right” questions will pop up, plus more mosques, Madarsas, Hujj
subsidies, hijab, Koranic curricula in schools and Halal lunches therein.
Wholeheartedly support it. Advise Saudi to follow the model.
Kepha says
Back in the 1990’s, when I was a US consular officer in China, I saw a skills-based petition from a US business involving a man who made violins and other musical instruments by hand. He was an ethnic Han from Xinjiang. I asked him about interethnic relations in Xinjiang, and he said very frankly he was glad to be getting as far away from “those murderous savages” as possible. Refugee, perhaps?
old white guy says
Will it be get rid of korans or get rid of everything else. That is the only other option.
RICHARD CANARY says
This Chinese solution is far better than anything being tried here in America.
The concept that any living human has equal rights to spread hate, sexual perverison, murder, and totalitarianism against all others is just plain stupid, and is the product of allowing communists into our nation. There are no muslim doctrines that condemn hate, sexual perversions approved by Mohammed, or murder.
All forms of islam are a plague on the earth, and the Chinese are just beginning to get a grip on it. Good for them.
Kepha says
So, why don’t we in the USA also round up all the sexual revolutionaries (from what I’ve seen in the public school system where I teach, the normalization of pederasty is the next thing), put them on a few open, shallow-draught garbage scows, set them adrift on the North Atlantic, and tell them we’ll sink them if they come within fifty miles of any US Coast? Islam isn’t the only moral rot destroying the West from within. Indeed, the chief reason why the Muslims in the West are getting so bold is because our own ruling classes have gotten used to calling all evil good and all good evil. Socialism, the sexual revolution, the therapeutic approach to crime are all closer to the heart of the disease than Muslim immigrants (and I am not for letting in large influxes of Muslims).
Emilie Green says
What the Quran actually says, what it exhorts its followers to do, must be confronted at one time or another.
Delay only make the danger that much greater. As the old Fram oil filter commercial had it, “Pay me now, or pay me later.”
And paying later always means paying more. The texts in the Quran are clear. And no, you don’t have to know or understand classical Arabic to understand what these verses exhort Muslims to do.
Michael Copeland says
China perceives straight away what Western leaders fail to see – Islam is a rival political system which is supremacist, intolerant of any other.
Westman says
Exactly! The Chinese Government realized that the Quran promotes loyalty only to the Ummah and Sharia governments; and promotes sedition under any non-Muslim government.
jack grandville says
I am not one to favor the Chinese way of life, but I heartedly support this action and if it were pursued in the west, certainly some of the trouble might be prevented and, even if that did not happen, at least it would be a start in the right direction — that and prohibition of Sharia Law — under any circumstances — along with a few other things — all the while leaving open the option for those who are unhappy to leave the country — immediately.
RICHARD CANARY says
It seems to be a lot of trouble and work and expense to monitor muslims in any free society. Why is it so difficult for otherwise intelligent humans to understand that there are some ideas that are so evil that they must be stamped out wherever possible?
We accept the concept that there are good plants and bad plants, good animals and not-so-good animals (at least for human interaction). Why can so many of our people not see the ultimate danger of allowing islam within our borders? It is as if they wear blinders that hide things that are evil.
Islam has never been an acceptable construct and never will be. That does not mean that we are safe from it, unless we take proactive steps to protect ourelves and our families and the entire nation.
Kepha says
Which Chinese way of life? I think inter-generational solidarity and a willingness to work are wonderful things. I’ve been fond of the fine arts of eastern Asia for most of my life. As for the Communist Party, it’s a bad Western idea informing bad Chinese practice.
I see the Chinese government’s action as its usual ham-handedness and self-destructive stupidity of Xi’s government, which has made it plain that it wants to bring back Maoism.
苛政猛于虎也!(From the Liji of Confucius–A harsh government is fiercer than a tiger.)
Peacemaker says
China totalitarian regimes vs Islamic totalitarian regimes. Quite similar.
gravenimage says
Chinese police order Xinjiang’s Muslims to hand in all copies of the Qur’an
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I am *no* fan of Communism or book banning, but good to see that Chinese authorities grasp that Jihad is based on the Qur’an itself.
Lookmann says
Graven ,
The Chinese do all they can to wean away Uighur Muslims from Islam.
Look at this:
Chinese imams forced to dance in Xinjiang region
https://tribune.com.pk/story/871879/suppressing-religious-freedoms-chinese-imams-forced-to-dance-in-xinjiang-region/
gravenimage says
I’m afraid the Chinese are very inconsistent, Lookman. They gave Muslims and exemption for the One Child Policy, and allow them to carry knives, unlike ethnic Chinese–which has proven especially deadly in a serious of knife attacks.
So China appeases Muslims, as does the West.
And, like book banning, I don’t think anyone, not even Muslims, should be forced to dance.
Kepha says
Well, I suspect one reason they did away with the one child policy was that Han peasants wouldn’t comply. Sometimes, a father fined for siring second, third, fourth children would swagger in to pay, as if to say, “Look what a big, successful man I am!” In southern Chinese villages, where everyone was of one extended lineages, there were cases of health officials who got a little too zealous in enforcement being “disappeared” with local cops (who probably knew their own cousins were responsible) reporting that they couldn’t find any clues.
Forcing the imams to dance–I suspect it will work about as well as Antiochus Epimanes forcing the Jews to give up circumcision and sacrifice hogs in Jerusalem back in the 2d century B.C. Go look at the books of the Maccabees in the Apocrypha.
Even patriotic Hui Muslims (who signed up for the Chinese armies in droves during WWII) may start asking if they can expect simple religious freedom from the Communist state.
manat bint allaha says
islamectomy rids a country of this cancer.
Pet Charles says
Where is the protest marches against China? Placards in front of the Chinese embassy? UN human rights activists? Why not have Europe take them all in for being persecuted minorities in China?
Mike says
Funny isn’t it how the Chinese can get away with this, and with invading Tibet, and there’s no pushback from the gutmenschen…
Things that make one wonder.
Kepha says
China is the last, best hope for progressive totalitarianism.
JawsV says
What the whole world should be doing. It’s the only way to stop the mass-murder of innocent people by Muslims.
gravenimage says
Actually, a full banning of Qur’ans prevents Infidels from learning about Islam, as well.
JawsV says
Don’t worry. They all won’t be banned. And the Moslems will keep mass-murdering us for Allah.
gravenimage says
Jaws, I want Infidels to be able to educate themselves about the threat of Islam–I don’t want Muslims to slaughter us.
Robert Spencer reads and has written about the Qur’an. We cannot just ignore it, I’m afraid.
JawsV says
The Muslims are already slaughtering us, since 9/11. Perhaps you’ve noticed? Like I said, all Korans will not be banned so “Infidels” have every opportunity to learn about Islam. This article is ONLY about China.
Kepha says
I’m with Gravenimage on this one.
Adam Nix says
If you ban What is the Islamic Sharia law.
Sharia, Sharia law, or Islamic law (Arabic: شريعة (IPA: [ʃaˈriːʕa])) is the religious law forming part of the Islamic tradition. It is derived from the religious precepts of Islam, particularly the Quran and the Hadith.
Then this is 2 books that should be baned with it.
mgoldberg says
By simply iterating what the Qu’ran say’s how the history utterly displays the tyranny, submitting, and homiciding of populations, and the resurgence of this with the forgetting of all these events in the 20th and 21st centureis has brought us to this absurd place in history. The inability to identify and critique movements, philosophies, ideologies for what they actually do, say, and permit.
This paralysis is the culmination of the self deception disorder that epitomizes the inability to locate Jihad as the spearhead of Islam and the source of much suffering, oppression and homicidism across the globe.
By simply engaging this ability we would and will be able to institute the national and cultural boundaries that are mandated for socities to survive and thrive.
Raja says
The Chinese don’t even trust the peace loving Christians. How could it be a silent spectator to rampaging Islam spearheaded by clerics and followed by bull-headed Muslims.?
They seem to be lot more clear headed than the stupid and muddled West Europeans.
gravenimage says
I’m afraid China has done a lot of appeasing Muslims, as well.
Raja says
The recent GENOCIDAL misadventures of Rohingyas on Hindus etc could also be an influence on the Chinese crackdown.
TL says
China’s rulers may have something else, too, in mind, namely, getting rid of their Islamic pests. This requires three things, at least: (1) Harsh oppression against Muslims in China, (2) places for China’s Muslims to go, and (3) a means for China’s Muslims to travel to their new homes. China can provide the former, and China is leading development of overland transportation routes across Asia. 白左 (white left) will provide the new homes.
Baucent says
Sounds like a fascist policy to me.
Unconvinced says
Perhaps, but Islam is about as pure a form of fascism as there ever was.
Frank Anderson says
Baucent, SURPRISE, Communist China is a fascist, totalitarian state. Remember Tiananmen Square (1989)? Protest in China is “discouraged”. “In order to fight monsters one must become a monster.” (Nietzsche?) I’m not sure whether the second part of the statement is true all the time; but we are definitely facing a monster.
Kepha says
No, it’s a good, progressive, Marxist-Leninist policy; coupled with Chinese nationalism (and racism), of course.
Joe says
They might not need as much as you think. The order was given over WeChat, where all conversation and many other things such as location and purchases are monitored. Chinese are imprisoned if the wrong message is detected by WeChat. For example, a man has been in jail for more than a year for wishing the Dalai Lama a happy birthday.
gravenimage says
The idea that China has to develop the technology for roads is an odd one…
Baucent says
The problem is China’s blunt stick approach. They are cracking down on all religious groups including Christians. A totalitarian state cannot tolerate religion having more influence over persons lives than the Party. But ultimately they will fail. The church grew fastest during the years of oppression in the 1980’s. The muslim Jihadist groups may also emerge stronger from unjust broad brush measures like banning the Koran.
tim gallagher says
I think this is a good move by China. I believe the only answer to Islam and the inevitable problems (terrorist murders, high crime rates and endless barbaric behaviours which Islam condones and praises) which it brings, is to stop letting Muslims into all non-Muslim countries. We non-Muslims need to be protected from the murderous Muslims. And many other commenters to Jihad Watch have said the same. Deport and force out as many Muslims that are already infesting your countries as possible. They can go back to their wonderful Muslim paradises, where they won’t have to put up the hated infidels. They should be happy with that. But banning the manual of war and hate, the Koran, is a good start. Burning down the mosques would be a good step for China to undertake next. Unfortunately, the idea Robert expresses above about countering Islam with better ideas I don’t think will work. You need to fight violent Islam with tough action. It is the only policy violent Muslims will understand. Be soft and they’ll walk all over you. And that is exactly what they are doing to the softer nations of the western world.
Jimm says
quote………. Unfortunately, the idea Robert expresses above about countering Islam with better ideas I don’t think will work………….. unquote
Unfortunately, based on the restrictions faced by Robert in the present climate of ‘free speech’ Robert can ONLY express what he has said!! and CANNOT express his MIND openly!! since the INTERNET EMPERORS who enforce NO FREE SPEECH against islam are constantly watching him for a MIS STEP to SHUT HIM DOWN!!
You need to READ between the LINES on what he quite clearly EXPRESSES!
gravenimage says
Robert Spencer has *never* espoused violence. The claim that violence is what he “really” means is baseless.
tim gallagher says
Thanks for your comment, Jimm. Robert has certainly written a lot about the people who run the internet companies trying to shut down the free expression of ideas.. I don’t know what Robert’s attitude is to using violence to fight against Islam, the most violent, murderous ideology around. I am a great admirer of Robert. He is my favourite of the fighters against Islam, though I admire many of the others, both the ex-Muslims and people like Brigitte Gabriel, Pamela Geller and Douglas Murray, et al. I do have the sense that many politicians and media types out here in Australia can’t really express the truth about Islam, even though they are awake to its evil, because they will be jumped on by the PC brigade. They seem to be treading on egg shells. All of us would face the same problems if we were public figures. I still believe it will take a tough and violent approach to defeat barbaric Islam. So, if Robert has a completely non-violent attitude towards Islam, then I disagree with him on that, because I simply don’t believe that can work. We, in the civilised western nations, are gentler people than barbaric Muslims are. This is a good thing. But it unfortunately means we can’t cope with Muslims in our nations. Only keeping them out will really work. But we’re going to have to get tough and kick those in our countries out . Nothing else will work. I’m a great believer in our hard-won western civilisation. Generally, I have little time for China. I’ve seen reports on the huge numbers of people they execute for trivial crimes, amongst other things. It’s a country run by a very authoritarian government. But maybe they are right on how win against Islam.
Charles says
It is a far better proposition for the Chinese to publicly compel the Muslim leaders to acknowledge the belligerence and violent imperatives in the Islamic literature, and to force a treaty or statement that accepts those tenets as anachronisms that are unacceptable to the modern Muslim. This mitigation will impinge on the immutability of the Qu’ran, but it will force the followers to accept a more reciprocal tolerance and respect to other religions or belief systems. Exposing the selfish, warring, terrorist imperatives is in line with fighting bad ideas with good ideas in open debate. Burning books is an unacceptable practice in modern times. How can you debate without reading the material? Free market of ideas alone is enough to expose the corruption, belligerence and denials. In America we must fight to keep the free market free from barbaric blasphemy laws or restraint. In Canada they are losing the battle. Europe is lost.
Paul in France says
I’m with you Charles
I hate islam with all my being but burning books is not the answer.
The books need to be able to be exposed for what they are. China is missing an opportunity to, perhaps televise, the ridiculing of islam by reason. You never know, it might have caught on worldwide!!
Bowen G says
China Launches Racial Profiling Campaign to Assess Uyghurs’ Security Risk
http://www.rfa.org/english/news/uyghur/campaign-07142017165301.html
CHINA: Uyghur Village Cadre Dismissed For Holding Islamic Wedding Vows at Home
http://www.rfa.org/english/news/uyghur/weddings-04182017171857.html
Unconvinced says
Let’s give China a chance to see what happens. We can observe what works and what doesn’t work.
Let’s not forget that while we don’t exactly see eye-to-eye with China on many things,
they ARE a sovereign nation. (Perhaps more sovereign than the USA.)
gravenimage says
Why do you believe that China is a more sovereign nation than is the US?
brane pilot says
It is childish and naive to believe you will replace Islam with ‘better ideas’.
Better ideas must be adopted to be relevant, and Islam prohibits under pain of death any ‘better idea’ than itself.
The Chinese are a very pragmatic people.
They understand what they are up against, and they understand the consequences of not dealing decisively and with finality against an existential threat to their civilization.
Israel and the Palestinians, or the USA and N Korea come to mind.
Surgery can be bloody and messy, but if it saves the patient then so be it.
Railing against banning a book as hateful and destructive as the Koran is energy probably better spent on something else.
Defending the Koran is like demanding that the last smallpox virus not be eradicated because it is a ‘living thing’. It is something that has killed countless millions of people and will do so endlessly until eradicated.
gravenimage says
You don’t believe that the West has better ideas than Islam? People need to learn that Islam is a threat and then defend our values against Islam. That is what Jihad Watch is for.
El says
Good idea but go all the way and announce the abolition of Islam. That said, well done to China!
JDow says
We probably should do that here. It should not be because of anything other than the wee detail that it advocates, indeed demands, the overthrow of all other governments by force or guile. It’s the violent overthrow part that leaves the Qur’an in the yelling fire in a crowded theater category.
Of course, edited Qur’ans without that violent overthrow part should be allowed. I fear it would be a rather complex editing job.
{^_^}
No Fear says
I don’t care if the authorities confiscate a manifesto written by a military supremacist. That is the Quran!
larry says
Well, some Muslims are getting a taste of their own medicine. Don’t feel sorry for them.
JawsV says
I never, ever, feel sorry for Muslims.
Gamaliel says
No one has been able to convince Muslims to change their minds with better ideas as Mr. Spencer suggests. Try and convince a Muslim that he or she is wrong and see how far you get.
Frank Anderson says
I know some people who planned to talk muslims out with skillful conversation. In their lack of understanding about islam, they did not know that their throats could be cut for attempting such a conversation with the “right” person. Not sure what they decided. But hope they found out in time. Islam does not like to be challenged or discredited (obviously); and doing so by an individual Christian missionary is dangerous.
shortfattexan says
I don’t know that it’s possible to pick a side here – a fight between Islam and the PRC is a lot like the war between Hitler’s Germany and Stalin’s USSR – there really aren’t any “good guys”.
Like all rational people, I am opposed to banning books. Not only is it wrong, it will never succeed in stamping out the idea you are trying to suppress. At the same time, I recognize and (reluctantly) applaud the fact that at least the Chinese are doing something, which is more than you can say for any Western government.
Expat88 says
The Saudis confiscate all non-muslim religious material from entering the country. But Muslims around the world are going to start squealing over what China is doing. So hypocritical.
Demsci says
exactly!
Let us remember and live by the Golden Rule;
Do not do unto others, that which you do not wish others to do unto you! I think Democratic countries by and large try to live by this rule, but many Islamic countries NOT.
Mind you, what has to be clarified is who is treating who badly; I mean there are Communists and Muslims AND there are nation-states.
I see this in the way of Communists treating Muslims badly and Muslims treating all infidels, so also communists, or atheists, badly.
Many will say The Chinese are treating minorities badly, but for me it has first to be made clear if the Muslims in China consider themselves Chinese first and only then Muslims.
But I think that most Muslims consider themselves Muslims first and only then citizens of a nation-state. So I see a controversy between the Ummah and a communist infidel government, BOTH treating each other badly.
Donald R Laster Jr says
You have it partially correct. Islamics see themselves as citizens of Islam and that as part of the citizenship of Islam they are obligated to impose Islam’s rules on any country they occupy. Remember, Islam is a not a religion. and never has been. It is a theocracy that has been waging war for over 1400 years against all who refuse to surrender and became part of Islam.
Kepha says
Demsci–In looking at Islam in China, it’s important to distinguish the Hui (who, under Nationalist rule and in Taiwan, are basically seen as Han Chinese of the Islamic faith), who have long identified with the Chinese state even while espousing Islam, and the Uyghurs and other Turks who see themselves as a colonized people.
Gamaliel says
Russia has some ban on sunni muslim literature. I forget what it was
gravenimage says
Considering the fact that Putin is appearing with Abbas and Erdogan at the opening of mega-Mosques, I think the idea that Russia is putting the kibosh on Islam is pretty questionable.
Badger says
It’s impossible to feel any sympathy for muslims about anything, let alone the confiscation of their evil book, but I have to agree with Robert Spencer, great fun though it would be, to make a bonfire of thousands of koran will do little to suppress this vile religion, and will in fact incite a great deal of needless violence.
But since it will take place thousands of miles away and the Chinese regime will be brutal in its suppression, I have to ask, WHO CARES?
p.s. a video of the koran burning would be a sight to behold ! 🙂
james collins says
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=htshvId51UE
Aussie Infidel says
Robert comments, “I’m not in favor of banning books.”
I’m not in favour of banning books either, but we can surely ban the practice of the criminal ideology that the Quran propagates. We can declare Islam a criminal ideology – which is the antithesis of the laws and values in Western Constitutions – and which if allowed to persist, will only bring more violence and suffering to our communities.
Robert also remarks, “If Western governments would admit the existence of the Qur’an’s “extremist content,” they may be able to formulate more effective and humane ways to counter the threat that results from that content. But that will most likely only happen when it is far, far too late.”
Our leaders continue to treat the on-going jihad as individual local crimes and fail to see the forest for the trees. This is not a series of unrelated incidents, but a co-ordinated war against all non-Muslims – and it’s all there in the Quran. To halt the Jihad, Western nations must launch a military counter offensive – albeit at this stage, a war of ideas and legislative measures. And that includes analysing the motivation behind the attacks, and dealing with that primary threat. We can deport or jail those who are guilty of incitement to violence, and close the mosques and Islamic schools. Also for the same reasons, we can ban Muslim immigration – it has been done before this age of political correctness.
We should not continue to engage with Muslims in interfaith dialogue and hope for positive results.This is a futile exercise in wishful thinking which so far, has produced nothing of any real value. Some people hope that a sufficient number of Muslims will see the error of their ways, and eventually leave the faith; but this will be too few to make any real difference. Some devout Christians (like Pope Francis) have suggested, that if we simply turn the other cheek, Jesus will save us; but this is also supernatural wishful thinking.
We do not have the time to wait and see if any of these strategies will work. And none of them represents an effective military strategy to deal with a ruthless enemy hell bent on conquering the world for Allah. If we do not have the political will to confront Islam forcefully in the very near future, it will be too late – at least to avoid civil war and enormous loss of life.
As Churchill remarked, “Still, if you will not fight for the right when you can easily win without bloodshed; if you will not fight when your victory will be sure and not too costly; you may come to the moment when you will have to fight with all the odds against you and only a precarious chance of survival. There may even be a worse case. You may have to fight when there is no hope of victory, because it is better to perish than live as slaves.”
Perhaps the Chinese might avoid this outcome, by having the guts to be more proactive in dealing with the Islamic menace within their borders. But banning the Quran alone, will not be effective. They will also have to ban the practice of Islam and deport transgressors.
Demsci says
‘//We can declare Islam a criminal ideology – which is the antithesis of the laws and values in Western Constitutions – and which if allowed to persist, will only bring more violence and suffering to our communities.”//
I am with you. And maybe we can formulate something like that in a way that it sounds as a respectful but necessary defense of our own tolerant democratic ideology and societal system (which you rightly say Islam is antithetical too).
I want a majority to want that and even pose a logical argument; that there are TWO ideologies involved; one tolerant democratic one and one dictatorial one. Our side can respect the other (which is what the political corrects among us insist on) but still protect itself against the other side. There is ample evidence that in the Islamic countries Islam is protected, (by censorship AND propaganda) against democratic system and that it is NOT tolerant.
Well then, why can’t democracies defend themselves against dictatorial ideologies, like Nazism, Communism and yes, Islam?
To present Islam as a dictatorial ideology from which democratic system needs protection should sound reasonable to enough informed enough people. And would finally make it possible to in effect discriminate in a precise and mild-if-possible manner on grounds of religion (which is what the other side already does!)
Donald R Laster Jr says
The first thing that has to be done is unmask the lie that Islam is a religion. It is not a religion and never has been. It is a theocracy.
Aton says
The UK parliament did say they would ban the Koran, because they said these verses were totally unacceptable. But that was before they knew which book they were planning to ban (I had taken the covers off).
They came back three weeks later and said that the Koran was not subject to the laws on incitement to hatred and murder. (Who says….?)
Aton
mortimer says
The Chinese government would do the entire world a great service if they would develop protocols for the ABSOLUTE DEPROGRAMMING of Muslims right out of Islam.
They should develop an advanced course of study and documentary films to reveal the textual, historical and logical obstacles to Islamic belief. Very few who study the latest Islamic textual criticism can escape concluding that Islam was the product of caliphs, rather than the product of a fictitious Mohammed.
Demsci says
I don’t believe much in the success of the deprogramming, Mortimer, nonetheless your idea of developing such a study sounds like a great idea.
Above all to be used to inform “who? Well, not political correct Islam-defenders either, they are as resistant to the truth almost as much as Muslims themselves.
But for the benefit of those who are both Islam-aware and pro-democratic and want to debate Islam and theDemocratic values, laws, societal system and the difference and hostility between the two.
There are many talkshows on TV en many articles in the media, which can be used as a cue for debate in the public sphere.
And Muslims and political corrects can oftentimes be persuaded or forced to debate and once that happens well informed Pro-democratic and anti-Islamic debaters can and should be able to convince a lot of people among the public, tv-watchers and readers about the real truth about Islam.
So many people, even on our own side, are so ignorant about the finer points of Islam and it’s huge flaws.
gravenimage says
The idea that Musims can be “deprogrammed” if they can be shown that Islam is violent and irrational is *very* questionable. Most Muslims already know this–and love it.
Donald R Laster Jr says
It would require a major effort of deprogramming to undone the indoctrination that Islam does to its citizens. Like all totalitarian systems it indoctrinates it citizens to think how they want. That is one reason Islam instructs its citizens to kill any former citizens – that is former Islamics who have rejected Islam.
Ramesh says
Gravenimage,
This has never been tried in the history of Islam. So to straight away dismiss this is not logical.
If Government, the Media and historians get together, maybe it can be done.
Start with a law with very stiff penalties against telling lies on Islam and Muslims. This should be followed by a heavy dose of truth telling. Then give the confidence to Muslims who want to leave Islam, that they will be protected. If these preconditions are met, many Muslims will leave Islam.
A Muslim who is told repeatedly that he is following a great religion, and who is in fear of his life is not going to deprogram himself.
If you have a better solution, please share it.
Of course, this solution is only hypothetical at this point of time. Maybe after WW3, this will be one of the solutions implemented.
Frank Anderson says
Ramesh, I believe you wrote: “Start with a law with very stiff penalties against telling lies on Islam and Muslims.” Have you missed the many articles here on JW where laws are being considered and passed (example Canada) which prohibit telling the truth about islam? To islam the truth is slander which is punishable, like most things offensive to islam, by death. Leaving islam is another crime under islam which is punishable by death not only to the individual that leaves, but also the entire family. To represent that deprogramming has never been tried is to ignore the exposure of muslims to the “infidel” alternative society and customs for 1400 years. Which do you think should be more persuasive? Seeing the alternative or being told about it? The almost uniform muslim response, in total defiance of reason and logic, to that exposure has been bombings, cuttings, murder and “radicalization” as they find out how “great” Islamic teachings are compared to ours. An honorable and laudable few have taken the risk and left. Your post reflects an apparent complete lack of information about the history and teachings of a culture of violence, slavery and murder. More reading and discussion would be helpful to your understanding of what islam teaches and practices throughout its 1400 year campaign to conquer and kill or enslave the world. (certain I’s and M’s not capitalized intentionally).
Hendry says
Frank,
What I have written is only what is desirable. I also understand that it may not happen immediately in the West.
Ultimately, we will start winning this war only at that point of time when more Muslims start leaving Islam than are joining it, whether by birth or otherwise. All other tactics only delay the inevitable. And that includes tactics like deportation. You are just postponing the problem to a later date, when more Muslim countries will have Nuclear Weapons and are willing to use them.
Criminalising Lies about Islam and Muslims has an added advantage that the left and Muslims will be hard put to explain their opposition to such a law. The law can be made watertight enough to put the left and Muslims in serious trouble.
Please understand that even though Islam is pure evil, it is still the most successful ideology on Earth. That is because their tactics are far superior to that of the West. Unfortunately, you have to use some of their tactics to beat them. Some control on speech is required to counter Islam. Criminalising lies about Islam and muslims is required to let the truth be heard.
Proselytising people out of Islam is one of the solutions. Deprogram them, but deprogram them right out of the religion, rather than put them in a half way house of a reformed Islam. In the long run a soft Islam is much much more dangerous to the World. Better is to start working on getting people out of Islam
Frank Anderson says
Hendry, I certainly support your absolute right to an alternative opinion. The problem I see is that to muslims the truth is a lie, supporting under sharia a charge of slandering the prophet, which is punishable by death. I have some friends who were thinking about trying to talk muslims into converting to Christianity. I hope they learned just how dangerous, if not suicidal, this would be as missionaries in a foreign country.
We infidels have been waiting 1400 years for net losses to occur in islam. It does not seem to be happening. Islam has killed about 300,000,000 people in those 1400 years without nuclear weapons. According to one book I have read, The Apocalypse of Ahmadinejad, by Mark Hitchcock, Iran wants nuclear weapons to use, not prevent others from using. Another book, The Islamic AntiChrist, by Joel Richardson, (recommended by our host Robert Spencer) among other things shows a comparison of the Islamic Mahdi to the Christian anti-Christ.
It is beyond reasonable doubt to me that what North Korea HAS, so also does Iran. The combination of indoctrination, starvation of education to competing ideas, and overwhelming threats of murder complicate any reasonable hope of “draining this swamp” of evil followers. Reading Orwell’s 1984 and Huxley’s Brave New World could be helpful in seeing inside muslim society as it has been 1400 years and is today. We can hope. I suggest the time for hope is at or near an end; and the time for decisions and actions will be forced on us, as it was forced on the appeaser Neville Chamberlain in WWII.
Donald R Laster Jr says
One of the first lies all people need to unlearn is that Islam is a religion. Islam is not a religion. It is a theocracy and the penalty for renouncing one’s citizenship of Islam is death. This lie is one the tools Islam uses to get a foothold in places. Image if the USSR had claimed its government was a religion and sent its citizens to create “centers of worship” in places all over the world. Islam has been attacking and invading areas all over the world. Europe is facing the 3rd major invasion in the last 1400 years. The key is to make sure people understand what Islam really is – a hostile foreign government with its citizens invading countries all over the world.
Dqx says
I surmise that the Chinese leaders perceive there decision as harsh but also preemptive.
Dqx says
Correction: Their decision
Donald R Laster Jr says
I would have to agree. They are understanding that Islam is a threat to their society as Islam is a threat to all non-Islamic societies and States.
Demsci says
I see a “triangle” of three ideologies. A. Communism (China)
B.Islam. and C. our own tolerant democratic Ideology, that’s C.
Now A suppresses B AND C, and uses heavy propaganda for A itself. The same goes for B, in that it also both suppresses A AND C and propagandizes for itself.
But the C-countries treat all their citizens equally and allow all propaganda.
But in the C-countries both Communists and Muslims act as if they are first and foremost citizens of the democratic nations, as minorities with the same rights as everyone else.
But do they have prime loyalty to nation-state or to “co-religionists” worldwide? I think the Chinese think the latter about the Muslims.
And that is something we should consider too.
By the way, this measure by the Chinese is way more discriminating than any so-called “Muslim Ban” in America! To which Linda Sarsour and American Muslims so vehemently protests!
But can we ask them where their prime loyalties lie? with their faith and the Ummah or with America, their nation? And what if they openly make a choice? If they are in favor of the Ummah, then they can’t protest against America’s policies, as those of China and the Muslims nations are much worse,. so then they would be unbelievably hypocritical.
But what if they openly state that they are first and foremost Americans and loyal to USA, even before being Muslim? What would the other Muslims think of that? Why, it reeks of apostasy!
Kepha says
Who says we have to be accepting of any and all propaganda? I know many believe me superstitious, backwards, and credulous because I accept the Bible cover-to-cover. But I’ve found this has made me a profound skeptic towards lots of questionable nostrums put forth over the years.
Japetto Donatelli says
Officials at village, township and county level are confiscating all Qurans…
I don’t think we should confiscate korans like China is doing. It’s good that we as a free nation give wide berth to the constitutional right to free expression. But freedom was never about allowing for every dangerous or depraved thing people can conjure, and I put islam in such a category. Islam has always been a violent creed with an inbuilt political agenda, it’s killed millions. It is not a hallmark of free nations to accept every violent or depraved aspiration their people may have. Civilized society is free in large part because we reject those things that are a detriment to freedom. Islam is a cultural and religious construct that is violent and inhumane, we can only be free without islam. Such incitement and hate is no more beneficial to freedom than allowing people to defecate on the sidewalk or permitting violence to settle matters of dispute. Nothing in history has been a bigger detriment to freedom than muslims’ tyrannical and murderous creed. Tolerating such a thing does not help freedom, it destroys freedom.
The Cold War brought us to the brink of nuclear war while islam is welcomed as a religion of peace. This cognitive dissonance threatens our nation and freedoms. It’s time our leaders stop acting insane for islam and do what is right to protect the future of our nation and the safety of our people. We should legislate against islam’s violent incitement and inhumane sharia for the same reason we legislate against pooping on the sidewalk: It is a menace to public safety and will eventually lead to death and depraved living conditions. I don’t think we need any better reason than that.
Rosewood11 says
Don’t get me wrong, folks. I’m all for confiscating and destroying all copies of the koran, old or new, along with anything having to do with this “religion.” (While you’re at it, ship all muslims back to their country of origin–that’s even better!!! Good riddance!!!)
My only problem is this: If hillary had won, she would have done the same with the Bible, What we approve of for others opens the door to our own criminalization later. That’s a slippery slope.
JawsV says
I disagree. I can’t stand Hillary but no she would not have destroyed The Bible.
gravenimage says
Agreed, Jaws. This would be going to far for her. To claim she would do this is ridiculous.
Dqx says
This report is not strongly sourced and may be fake news. This alleged action appears to be at most only a local policy. This alleged policy, so far, has not generated any WeChat, Tencent, Weibo nor Wangyi comments that would have happened if this was real, let alone a national policy.
Robert Spencer says
On the contrary, a simple Google search will show you that this has been widely reported internationally.
gravenimage says
Radio Free Asia is a reputable news source.
Donald R Laster Jr says
It will not solve the problems related to Islam. Until people deal with the fact that Islam is a State and its followers are citizens of a foreign State that is waging war against every State that is not under the control of Islam nothing will change. We have 1400 years of history showing what Islam actually is. What the Chinese government should be doing is making people understand what actually Islam is. If they want to worship Hubal/Baal fine, but if they are going to wage war against their government they have to face the consequences. They key is to educate people on what Islam is – a hostile 1400 year old government/State or theocracy.
Guest says
I will never support Communism.
Kepha says
Agreed. Unfortunately, it is alive and well in American ejjikashunal circles. mispelling intended.
Richard Courtemanche says
China may have some issues with human rights but our politicians could sure learn on how to get rid of problems.
abad says
The bottom line is this:
Islam can never be Chinese.
Period.
Reg Inald says
or any other nationality
underbed cat says
China is not the first country to see a problem I believe Putin understood also, but China didn’t wait too long after experiencing knife attacks and van explosions, but the first to take decisive action to nip it in the bud. Yet, I understand we have free speech, but the Quran is a road map to terror and for that reason I read the article about China banning the Quran, prayer rugs (should ban mosques where they arm and teach sharia) I had a sense of relief. It certainly is better than fighting against two of the dominant sects of Islam that all use the same book, supporting one and fighting another…..removing dictators was the aggressive move that was a surprise petri dish to grow revenge to defend this doctrine and practice, morphing al Queda to isis, and all the various Islamic jihad groups and fighters that wanted to bring sharia law in my opinion…It may go underground but they will not have the propaganda machine to sustain itself. I don’t think there is any other method that can change the situation but as we know it will be an undercurrent since this is the history and they are planners for the future..I just hope China, does not get too brutal in it’s suppression. I am no expert but it seems plausible.
Frank Anderson says
UC, please consider: How brutal and savage has Islamic conduct been on both the individual and “national” scale for 1400 years? One commenter shared his estimate that approximately 300,000,000 people have been murdered by islam in 1400 years. Hitler directed the killing of more or less 20,000,000. Stalin more or less 50,000,000. Mao more or less 100,000,000 in less than 50 years. I still suggest the quote, the source of which I am unsure, “To fight monsters one must become a monster.” Nietzsche? This is a case of monster meets its match. Godzilla v Mechagodzilla (r). Who will win? Considering the presence of some sign of rational thinking in China instead of the total absence of rationality in standard, orthodox, perfect, complete islam, I’d rather deal with the Chinese. They do not seem bent of societal suicide. I hope other ways of dealing with the evil can be found so that we do not have to follow the Chinese model. That’s my opinion.
Demsci says
In the 13th century the Shamanistic Mongols were the scourge of the Muslims. Only at the battle of Ain Jalut (in Israel) in 1260 the tide was turned for the Muslims. But eventually (many of) the Mongols converted to Islam and Islam rebounced.
Kepha says
This is nothing new. Uyghur separatism plagued the Manchu regime, the Nationalist regime, and never disappeared under the Communists.
underbed cat says
After my comment, I just wanted to say Malaysia has many mosques and muslims and I don’t know how well connected China is with other countries. and the internet could be a problem.
UNCLE VLADDI says
The Qur’an is what you’d get if Hitler had written the bible.
The Qur’an is a clearly-written hate-crime expressing a permanent death-threat: it tells it’s moslem mind-slaves that they are in fact SO “superior” to all the non-members of their war and plunder cult, that it’s not only their right, but also their holy duty to their god, to extort, enslave, and murder all the non-moslems in the world, simply for the “crime” of not being moslems!
Death-threats are not protected free speech, they are crimes in them selves.
Kepha says
Not too bad an observation, Vladdi,.
Reg Inald says
NOW this is a pick me up! I do not like the Chinese Communist regime but this ban of the koran is pleasing especially as the “religion of peace” is now having to fight China. Besides….. mojammedanism is not a religion, it is a totalitarian system with religion being controlled by a barbaric law – Sharia Law.
China may have opened up a can of worms and BIG ones at that.
Reg Inald says
Interesting to see what the mohammedans do now
Demsci says
China of course is a dictatorship. It did not need to push this draconic law through parliament. Parties did not need to campaign for this, fighting politically Muslims and leftists tooth and nail all the way, like in tolerant democratic Nations.
Should Muslims not now appreciate tolerant democratic nations more, now that their brethren are the victims? Should they not praise the democratic nations for being much fairer to them than China? Instead on their own turf they behave like the Chinese, the Communists, the VICTIMIZERS.
This new Chinese law also explains why “so few” refugees of the by America immigration-banned Muslim nations, or other Muslim Nations flee to China! They en masse flee to tolerant democratic nations, but still favor a dictatorial ideology!
To now still single out America for discrimination on grounds of religion, for the so called “Muslim ban” is now unbelievably hypocritical if America and China are compared!
Demsci says
And Erdogan has not reacted yet? a few months ago he likened the governments of Holland and Germany to Nazi’s because they would not allow a campaign in their countries in favor of Erdogan’s big constitutional law change!
Meturaf says
People should quit going to Western Europe and Scandinavia and go to places like China, Japan, Eastern Europe. These are the only countries I know of currently that are very hostile to any Muslim incursions to destroy their ancient cultures. China in particular, though is to be commended for literally showing Muslims, they are not welcome, even if ethnically Chinese. It there is to be any authoritarian rule, it will be by Communist Sharia not Muslim. We are not ignorant. We know that China is safe if you are coming as a tourist and with the hand of friendship outstretched to the locals. Leave the politics at home and you will have a great time according to those who have visited.
Kepha says
We often go to Taiwan. I’d like to see more of China and Thailand; and perhaps, now that the dust is settled, see Angkor Wat in Cambodia. Hungary and the Czech Republic would attract me, too.
Bruce McLeod says
The Chinese government has realized the evil,inhumane,dangerous ideology that islam presents.
Hopefully the banning of the Koran, Haddith, hijabs, niqabs, prayer mats etc. will discourage the
Islamist that are there, so as they might want to go back to a Country where they can practice Islam.
The only way for a country to be rid of Islam is through mass media of all types and taught in all schools
from kindergarten through to University. in other words ” Educate the entire people” Then and only then
will people know the exact truth of Islam. It wood be totally rejected.