Breitbart just wrote about this today, and so it is getting a great deal of attention, but Muslims In Calgary first posted this article on July 7, and Jihad Watch first reported on it on August 15. Despite that initial burst of attention, however, it remained on the Muslims In Calgary website, and is still there now.
“Male circumcision and female circumcision has immense scientific and medical value,” according to Muslims in Calgary, which also proclaims that FGM is an “Islamic tradition.”
FGM is indeed an Islamic practice and tradition in accordance with the Sharia, but one assertion by Muslims in Calgary is horribly wrong:
Misogynists and Feminists are feeding upon each other to denigrate an Islamic practice that brings untold benefits to women.
Few things can be more misogynistic than FGM. This cruel practice is routinely performed in the most barbaric fashion, and in the West to boot. As reported by none other than al Jazeera, of all publications:
“The horror of female genital mutilation” has seen “an estimated 66,000 girls…illegally mutilated in the UK, but no one has yet been prosecuted for this practice.”
In Sweden, 150,000 women have undergone FGM, and authorities have admitted to “large areas under Islamic rule.”
In the US, an Ethiopian Muslim in Georgia, Khalid Adem, was convicted in March of aggravated battery and cruelty for using a scissors to perform FGM on his two-year-old daughter.
We live in an era in which falsehoods are being widely accepted as truth. This practice is nothing short of abusive. One wonders why traditional feminists are not decrying it, particularly those of mainstream media status such as the infamous Linda Sarsour, who has distorted the truth by stating the opposite of what Muslims in Calgary states about FGM: Sarsour has stated that FGM is not an Islamic practice.
To continue for a moment on how the truth gets increasingly obscured, Sarsour has also stated, with much support, that “wearing the hijab is some kind of symbol of female liberation.” Well, it has now emerged that this foremost spokesperson for women’s rights — particularly Muslim women’s rights — has given the real reason she wears a hijab: it transformed her from “white” into a “person of color.” Says Sarsour: : “When I wasn’t wearing hijab, I was just some ordinary white girl from New York City.”
So now that the truth is on the table, let us continue to discuss the truth about FGM, contrary to how Muslims in Calgary have tried to spin the practice as being gentle and harmless, as well as in keeping with Sharia.
In February, the World Health Organization (WHO) joined “individuals and organizations worldwide in marking the International day of zero tolerance for female genital mutilation” (FGM). Note: zero tolerance.
WHO reports that “over 200 million girls and women living worldwide have experienced this harmful practice…which has no health benefits and is a violation of the human rights of girls and women.” Effects include “severe bleeding and problems urinating, and later cysts, infections, as well as complications in childbirth and increased risk of newborn deaths.”
Muslims in Calgary have made the grossly false claim that FGM is the equivalent of male circumcision. There are in fact, health benefits to male circumcision, and sometimes it is medically necessary. Male circumcision does not have long term devastating health effects, as does FGM.
The question should be arising repeatedly: why is the West not doing more to crack down on criminal practices that violate human rights, and on those who incite hatred and intolerance? The answer has been clear: to protect “diversity” in the name of political correctness, in favor of one group over another. This racist agenda relegates Muslims to an inferior status. Abuses by white supremacists are never tolerated; nor should they be. Zero tolerance on human rights abuses by white supremacists and by Islamic supremacists equally should be expected. Unfortunately, those who call out the human rights violations that are justified by Sharia, and the human rights violations of Islamic supremacists and jihadists are being called “racist.”
Recently it came to light that Canada’s Border Services Agency was on the alert for the arrival of travelling practitioners of female genital mutilation, and “photos of the cutting tools, belts and ‘special herbs’ practitioners might be carrying in their baggage when they arrive in the country” were circulated to border officers. How will authorities now view the advertisement of FGM by Muslims in Calgary? A recent national report out of Canada says this: “Ottawa says female genital mutilation is ‘abhorrent,’ but offers no commitment on tracking cases.” Why not?
“Male circumcision and female circumcision has immense scientific and medical value”, Muslims in Calgary, July 7, 2017:
How Misogynists and Feminists are feeding upon each other to denigrate an Islamic practice that brings untold benefits to women
Female Circumcision is an Islamic tradition, and involve only the removal of the clitoral prepuce and no more.
All the early scholars of Islam were agreed that all that is needed to be removed in the circumcision of the female was the prepuce of the clitoris, the fold of skin covering the clitoris. This is the female equivalent of the foreskin in males which is taken off during circumcision.
The inspiration for writing on this touchy topic arose at a recent week-long workshop held by an international Muslim women’s rights organization in Kandy (in Sri Lanka) which I had the fortune of attending thanks to its local organizers.
This group had a lot of nice things to say about women’s rights in Islam and I must say I agreed with much of it, like the rights of Muslim women to enter into marriage with their free consent and even contract marriages on their own accord or their rights to divorce or pre-nuptial agreements to safeguard their freedoms, all well and good, because Islam concedes all these rights to women, on which topics I too have written extensively.But there was one topic I begged to differ when they brought up the matter, and that was female circumcision. They asked us to discuss a recent Fatwa issued by Malaysia’s National Council for Islamic Religious Affairs in 2009 (*) that declared that the practice was mandatory for Muslim women. They expected us to rip it to pieces, but I differed. Why, because I could not find anything objectionable in it. Reading it carefully, I noticed that those who had drafted it were not at all motivated by a negative attitude towards women’s rights. Rather it clearly stated that all forms of FGM (Female Genital Mutilation) found by the WHO to be harmful to women such as clitoridectomy (removal of the clitoris) and infibulation (a still more barbaric practice where the female’s external genitalia including the labia minora and clitoris are removed and stitched) were against the Shariah. But it made an exception, stating that all that was necessary in the case of women was to remove the skin covering the clitoris, which it declared to be obligatory, pointing out that a majority of the classical scholars of Islam including Imam Shafi and Imam Hanbali thought it to be so.
I plainly told the sister who was moderating the show, I could see nothing wrong with it, since all they said that was required was to remove the prepuce or the skin covering the clitoris, a relatively minor and harmless procedure very much like male circumcision which like it might confer some health benefits as well. That raised a few eyebrows, probably because none of them had heard such a novel idea before.
Female Circumcision in Islam involve the removing of part of the prepuce or the skin covering the clitoris, a relatively minor and harmless procedure and very much like male circumcision
Of course there’s really nothing so novel about it. Much has been written about it even by Western Doctors but these studies have been conveniently overlooked to conform to Islamophobic sentiments expressed by a largely Jewish controlled media. This media machine works in different ways. For one thing, it will say that Islam advocates genitally mutilating women to curb their sexuality, citing examples of barbaric forms of FGM practiced in sub-Saharan Africa, thereby associating Islam with a misogynistic attitude. But of late, we see another trend, one that seeks to disassociate female circumcision altogether from Islam without differentiating the proper Islamic form from the rest. Why, you may ask? It’s very simple really. There is a strong body of evidence emerging to support the view that the proper Islamic procedure involving the removal of the clitoral prepuce is beneficial to women and not detrimental to them……
mortimer says
FGM is ILLEGAL in Canada.
Criminal Code, R.S.C. 1985, c. C-46, s 268(3), 273.3(1).
Under the Canadian Criminal Code, the performance of FGC/M is considered to be aggravated assault; anyone who aids, abets or counsels such assault is considered to be a party to the offense; and it is prohibited to transport a child outside of the country for the purposes of obtaining FGC/M procedures.
Physicians who have reasonable grounds to believe that an FGC/M procedure has been performed on, or is being contemplated for, any female under the age of 18, must notify the appropriate child protection authorities, regardless of where the procedure has been or will be undertaken. 4
In the event that a physician has reasonable grounds to believe that another physician is performing FGC/M procedures, the matter should immediately be brought to the attention of the College. This expectation is based in professionalism and ethics, and is distinct from the legal obligations to report child abuse discussed above.
John Forbes says
This will be supported by MUSLIM JUSTIN & his Muslim Brotherhood Liberals as they lead CANADA to the introduction of SHARIA Compliance !
Ned Kelly says
I believe I was born without the skin cover over the clitoris, as it is SO sensitive, even I cant touch it. Luckily it hasnt affected my enjoyment of sex, just NO foreplay thankyou. Im European Christian.
MJ says
Circumcision in itself is an insult to God ; by practicing it you are declaring that the way God created you at birth is flawed, you are overriding God’s bodily design
Japetto Donatelli says
There’s truth in that, but let’s be honest, most of what islam consists of is an insult to god. It portrays the creator that may or may not exist as a bigoted murderer, an ignoramus, and an immoral tyrant. I’m sure it’s only a coincidence, but the islamic god resembles very much the people who worship him. But that’s only my bigoted racist islamophobic opinion.
Ned Kelly says
I agree, I have always believed man was nuts to think he can improve on nature. We were born with foreskins for a reason. Many men in my experience have sexual problems who are circumcised. If YOU don’t, you are lucky. I didn’t do my 4 sons.
Guest says
Nothing I read in this article is even remotely true
Ann says
Could you be specific?
Lu says
Why? Isn’t the takkyia pretty damn obvious?
Danforth says
The part that is not true is the difference between what Muslims in Calgary are saying FGM is, and what actually happens during FGM procedures, are totally at odds with one another.
FGM as it is currently practiced around the world is the complete removal of the clitoris and associated labia minora (if present) and, in some cases, the suturing of the labia majora in order to leave just a small exit for urine and menstrual fluid. This leaves almost no opening for intercourse, and a lot of pain and tearing at that time.
This entire exercise is to completely remove any sexual pleasure whatever for Muslim women. Why do Muslim adult women perform this barbaric act on young Muslim girls? Perhaps it is because they themselves have been deprived of any pleasure in their lives, but I expect they have been told by their Imams and husbands this is what Muhammad, the perfect man, wanted for every female follower of his.
Muslims everywhere have yet to spend a single minute in critical thought about any part of their ideology of Islam. That might lead to criticism, and that demands death by any convenient means including stoning. Sad, really.
Japetto Donatelli says
Like Mortimer made clear with his comment, this sadistic practice against girls is illegal. But nobody seems to care, just as no one seems to care about the mass rape and grooming of kids by muslim men. This is the effect islam has on communities and nations, it drags them down into the gutter of bad morals and sick practices. It shocks the senses some of these islamic traditions. Everything is backward in islam, like calling the murder of a family member an “honor killing,” even though there’s nothing honorable about murder for bigotry. Islam is touted as a “religion of peace,” even though it’s history’s most violent and depraved ideology. Muhammad is proffered as the “greatest example” to follow, but in truth was a man of appallingly bad character, a robber, a pedophile, and a murderous torturer. I got this from the African Journal of Urology,
Female circumcision is done to minimize sexual desire and to preserve virginity. This procedure can lead to psychological trauma to the child; with anxiety, panic attacks and sense of humiliation… Female circumcision can reduce female sexual response, and may lead to anorgasmia and even frigidity. and, An unexcised non-infibulated girl is despised and made the target of ridicule and no one in the community will marry her. and, Circumcision of females or female genital mutation (FGM) is a cruel procedure, a cultural tradition, which deprives women of sexual satisfaction, exposes them to psychological and physical complications.
I admit I’m not overly educated. But I don’t need to be a doctor to know this is a barbaric practice that has been universally condemned, except by the barbarians. I’ve learned when it comes to matters of morality and human rights islam is never a good point of reference. FGM is sick and inhumane, like so much else that islam teaches and condones. If the leaders we elect don’t even care about the world’s children then we’ve already lost the war.
gravenimage says
+1
mortimer says
Why do Feminists endorse a religion that calls itself ‘SUBMISSION’, beats up women and cuts the clitoris out of little girls with scissors?
Danette Fulk says
Thank you Japetto and Mortimer for your helpful posts! I noticed in another article about Calgary that Justin Trudeau just removed the information about FGM and its illegalities from a mandatory pamphlet given to all new immigrants!!! What a giant turd! The only way for this to change is for many to be prosecuted and serve time in prison. That is the only way they will change this culturally and religiously because otherwise Islam is designed to resist all change period. Many speak bad on Judaism and Christianity, but my goodness they have evolved since the 7th century!!!
Westman says
It’s not difficult to understand the non-reaction of feminists to FGM because it enhances a similar adversarial feeling about men in the Muslima marriage relationship – and they are cowards, unprepared to meet a jihadist backlash.
Imagine the unexpressed resentment of being property, sold or bartered into a marriage, where one is but a sex object on demand, homemaker, and the caretaker of children; of which children only the females will ultimately consider you as an equal as your sons express their “superiority”.
The Feminist Message has always been TO WOMEN to be dissatisfied with their relationships and demand more from men. They have no need to promote dissatisfaction within the ranks of Muslimas because it already exists and the Muslimas can do nothing about it. The Samaritan may be lying on the side of the road needing help, yet, the feminists know there are jihadists in the trees and they are certainly not stopping to see what happens next.
Voytek Gagalka says
One could argue that experiments and works done by Dr. Mengele also had “immense scientific and medical value.” But by what price? Violation of the most fundamental value of all: Right to Life!
Native jo says
Linda soursore says its not islamic. So good, its not a religious act that could be argued as freedom of religion thing. It’s abuse. It’s meant to oppress. It’s illegal to preform this in the country and its illegal to do to a an american, british, Canadian and Australian citizen. Simple. No, you cant do this to your daughters. If you do, you get your kid taken away and deported. Time to force them to respect the laws.
gravenimage says
Muslims will say anything they believe protects Islam–claiming that some savagery is not Islamic when it is, or else demanding that we allow some savagery because not allowing it is “Islamophobic”. They don’t really care if some of these things contradict each other.
Jaladhi says
Islam and Muslims worship cruel and barbaric practices – they relish it and claim a scientific basis for it. Perhaps there is science involved in murdering people also. Muslims and science meet in FGM. Ha, ha, ha,..
Do they know what science means?
gravenimage says
Of course, they are only using the language of science to fool credulous Infidels–no pious Muslim in Dar-al-Islam makes such arguments. If they ever–God forbid!–gain full power here, they will drop such claims entirely.
mortimer says
All MEDICAL ASSOCIATIONS HAVE DISAPPROVED OF FGM.
Danforth says
And then they turn their heads away. Where are the enforcers of this Canadian law? Who has been prosecuted? No one that I have heard of.
Who is putting a stop to this insanely barbaric practice? (Silence)
Carolyne says
Not really. Several years ago the American Pediatric Association recommended that a doctor “nick” the clitoris to satisfy the religious demands of Muslim parents. There was an overnight and overwhelming objection to this procedure and the recommendation was immediately withdrawn.
gravenimage says
Despite negative publicity, Muslims in Calgary continues to teach health benefits of FGM as an Islamic practice
……………………..
Ah, yes–the “health benefits” of hacking off a girl’s clitoris with a rusty blade, and sometimes stitching her up so that she is at risk for fistulas, which can lead to incontinence, infections, and even death.
God, I hate Islam.
Any Infidel who swallows this is a fool–or worse than a fool.
PATRICIA FRANCES KOENIG says
Islam is a disgusting “religion” of abuse and deceit.
Wellington says
Night and day here.
Male circumcision has no negatives (unless botched, which any beneficial operation can be) and several positives. If one doubts this then just go to the Mayo Clinic site or Cleveland Clinic site for the many positives that male circumcision results in. (N.B., anyone doubting what I just wrote, don’t take it up with me personally but with institutions like the Mayo Clinic and the Cleveland Clinic; if you go after me personally, then I will just assume you are too lazy to go to the sites I mentioned and thus most certainly possessed of inaccurate knowledge about male circumcision which you are determined to retain.)
By contrast, female circumcision is pure mutilation, which serves no positive purpose whatsoever. It often, if not invariably, interferes with urination and the capacity for sexual pleasure, the latter reason, I highly suspect, indeed I’m sure of, being the ultimate reason for this particular barbarism that is so extensive in the Islamic world, a dismal world if ever there were one.
As I said, night and day here. I might add that once again, no surprise, Islam is on the side of night. Yes, darkness of all kinds is a major feature of Islam. Metaphorically and literally.
gravenimage says
Thanks for weighing in, Wellington.
I’ve mentioned this before here, but I have a male friend who had not been circumcised–he was born in Russia and adopted here in the US. When he was in his late teens, he developed a rare problem–his foreskin was too tight, and became increasingly uncomfortable and finally painful. So, he was circumcised when he was a young man.
The only consequence was that he had a bit more scarring than those who had it done when they were very young.
He had *no* diminishing of sensitivity–despite what some have claimed.
I am agnostic at this point on male circumcision–most Westerners these days keep so clean that hygiene is less of an argument.
But my friend’s experience shows that those who claim that male and female circumcision are of a piece is quite false.
Male circumcision is either slightly beneficial or else pretty neutral–female circumcision–really, mutilation–is anything but.
mortimer says
Islamic FGM is meant to be like the ring in the nose of cattle to keep them from straying.
In Islam, WOMAN ARE CATTLE.
– “Treat women well for they are like domestic animals and they possess nothing themselves. Allah has made the enjoyment of their bodies lawful in his Qur’an.”
gravenimage says
Exactly, Mortimer.
maghan says
Nordic study, by contrast.
http://sciencenordic.com/male-circumcision-leads-bad-sex-life
maghan says
FGM is a horrific and barbaric practice. But facts are facts. Somali women average 6 children and it is claimed that G-spot(google) vaginal orgasms are experienced by many females.
Susan B says
maghan, what is your point? So there might be some women that are able to enjoy sex dispute being butchered and therefore it really is not so bad. I think that you are just practicing taqiyya and I have doubts that your “facts are facts”. The whole point of FMG in islam it to make sure women do not enjoy sex.
livingengine says
‘This is what it’s like to pee after female genital mutilation’
http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-36101342?SThisFB%3FSThisFB
gravenimage says
Yes–Ayaan Hirsi Ali, who also underwent Type III genital mutilation. describes it being painful to urinate and its taking up to five minutes–also, that the bladder could rarely be entirely emptied.
And she noted that other Muslim girls considered females with even a bit of ease in urinating to be “sluts”. When Ali got to the Netherlands, she was initially shocked in restrooms where most women urinated freely and quickly.
Just A Concerned Citizen says
Respectfully, Ms. Douglass-Williams, there is no need to trivialize and downplay male genital cutting. There are no legitimate “benefits” (these have long since been debunked, and like any bodily modification, should be entirely the choice of a consenting adult), and examples of genuine “medical necessity” are extremely few and far between. Much like Islam, there is simply zero excuse for ignorance on this any longer.
I would defy anyone to find a culture that cuts girls who does not also cut their sons. And unfortunately, so long as we tolerate (or even promote) this for one gender while reserving our horror and condemnation exclusively for the other, there will always be female cutting as well.
Wellington says
Just a Concerned Citizen: Your ignorance is astounding. Did you even bother to read my 5:33 P.M. post from above? If you go to sites provided by the Mayo Clinic and the Cleveland Clinic you will find that there are numerous benefits from male circumcision, several of them are 1) far fewer urinary tract infections; 2) less likelihood of a sexually transmitted disease; 3) less chance of prostate cancer; and 4) zero, read ZERO, effect on sexual pleasure and urination, contra female circumcision which is indeed barbaric.
You averred that legitimate benefits of male circumcision have long since been debunked and yet you provided no evidence. I have provided two highly reputable sites you can easily go to in order to clear up your massive ignorance about the merits of male circumcision.
Your turn.
Wellington says
I might add that while penile cancer is very rare, there has never been a diagnosed case of it in a circumcised male. Did you know even this?
Phil Copson says
C’mon Wellington – stick to the anti-jihad stuff, please – I like reading your contributions. All this “benefits of male circumcision” stuff is just a creepy interest in bodily functions – like people who stuff themselves with silage because they’re convinced that “being regular” makes them a better citizen. (Actually, all it means is that retired people who haven’t got enough to occupy their time, train themselves to go the toilet at the same time every day as a way of giving themselves something to look forward to….)
I could just as easily argue that if everyone shaved off all their hair, head-lice could be eradicated – just as true and no more disproportionate.
(And no, I won’t be reading what the Mayo clinic have to say about it – clinics are businesses like any other, so of course they’ll talk up the benefits exactly as would any clinic offering lipo-suction, hair-transplants, blood-changes, colonic irrigation, monkey-glands, sex-changes etc: If you walk into a car showroom, it’s not exactly a big surprise that the salesman tells you how much better your life will be if you leave in a shiny new Cadillac.) *
* talking of which – and excuse me going totally off-piste here – but since the readers of Jihad Watch are generally well-meaning and helpful people – if any JW reader in the US or Canada has, or knows of, a ’49 Cadillac fast-back Coupe or a ’57 Coupe de Ville, in complete restorable condition, and is happy to sell to an overseas buyer, I would be very pleaed to hear from you. At present, am finding that private sellers are very reluctant to accept funds from abroad and seem to suspect some kind of scam. E-mail: jagmanphil@ntlworld.com Cheers.
Wellington says
Phil Copson: Did you bother reading the article above, written by one Asiff Hussein who tries to justify a certain type of female circumcision (and who throws in an anti-Semitic rant as well)? It was this ignorance that I was addressing. I felt compelled to indicate that equivalency thinking about male and female circumcision is dead wrong and not backed up by any sound medical evidence. This is why I wrote what I did. If conflation of male and female circumcision (whether both presented as good or both presented as bad) is allowed to go unanswered then ignorance wins.
gravenimage says
Phil, you are aware that Muslims attempt to justify mutilating women because there are men in the West who are circumcised?
Wellington understands this–the idea that this is a “creepy interest in bodily functions” which has no relation to Jihad is simply mistaken.
maghan says
Why interfere with what biological and evolutionary nature has wrought? Every human organ serves a specific biological and survivalist function. Even eyebrows and eyelashes,
https://www.circinfo.org/USA_deaths.html
Wellington says
A report by the Mayo Clinic back in 2014 indicated that the benefits compared to the risks of male circumcision are 100 to 1. Please go to the Mayo Clinic and Cleveland Clinic sites for information about the many advantages of male circumcision. Of course there are none for female circumcision.
maghan says
To Wellington:
The Mayo Clinic is just a clinic run by doctors who might have personal and cultural reasons to be so effusive about the primitive ritual of cutting off biologically adaptive parts of the human male’s sexual organ.
The most qualified voices on this issue would be research scientists—not mere doctors– who would harbor no a priori cultural bias on the issue.
Wellington says
maghan: When you have to speak negatively about the Mayo Clinic (and by implication the Cleveland Clinic too), and just generically, as you did, go on about “research scientists” with no references, it just shows how desperate you are. You have provided NO EVIDENCE to refute all I have averred except an article about an extremely small number of male circumcisions done badly, which can happen in any beneficial operation, as I have already noted.
Give it up. You have run out of any sensible argument. You know this or should know this. Sadly, I think you don’t———-and probably never will.
libertyORdeath says
Male circumcision is also used as a treatment for STD’s or other genital rashes or infections. The benefits of the procedure on males has been proven since the dawn of modern medicine, yet it’s still not even the issue at hand. It is simply more misdirection…remember, this is about FGM and the issues and proven problems, not how it compares to a different procedure on a different organ.
Please leave the ignorance and refusal to research to the liberals.
maghan says
All human organs serve specific biologically protectionist functions. Humans seem to have this primitive and bizarre desire to mutilate their bodies for weird reasons. Examples: Chinese foot-binding, Native American lip plating, Kenyan ear elongation, Native American head molding, bones in noses in New Guinea, rings noses, navels, tongues, ears, private parts in the West, and of course genital cuttings.
https://www.circinfo.org/USA_deaths.html
libertyORdeath says
The difference between male circumcision and the crazy examples u listed like neck plating are the medical benefits. You still seem to be missing the point completely. The practices you mentioned are almost exclusively relegated to pre modern and pre medicine cultures while FGM affects tens of millions in first world countries with the experience and knowledge to determine that FGM is not only barbaric but it has absolutely no benefit to the person it is preformed on.
Again, please do some research before u post nonsense. We are all using a magical object to post these messages and it can also be used to research almost anything.
libertyORdeath says
And another…http://www.webmd.com/sexual-conditions/guide/circumcision
And a direct response to the link u posted…
http://circumcisionnews.blogspot.com/2010/05/fatally-flawed-bollingers-circumcision.html
Seems like textbook cherry picking since those articles took me all of 2 minutes to find…i could get more if u need 😉
gravenimage says
maghan, I have pierced ears. I didn’t get them pierced until I was 26, and had just been mildly frustrated over not being able to find decent clip-on or screw-on earrings. I now have a nice collection of pierced earrings, and am wearing a pair now.
It was not a big deal, but I’m glad I had it done–and it was my choice.
I can assure you that it does not interfere with my ability to enjoy sexual pleasure, to urinate, to avoid infection, or to give birth.
It really is not comparable to FGM in any but the most reductive sense.
Carolyne says
I have never understood making holes in one’s body to insert jewelry. I don’t even have pierced ears.
gravenimage says
Carolyne, that’s the wonderful thing about the free West–*no one* has to get their ears pierced or tattoos or anything else they don’t want.
God knows, this is not true in Islam.
libertyORdeath says
Btw, your link is mighty light on facts or citations and very heavy on suppositions and approximations.
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/27/science/benefits-of-circumcision-outweigh-risks-pediatric-group-says.html
libertyORdeath says
In fact, the only places I could find supposed benefits of FGM are from Islamic sources (shocker!)
gravenimage says
Yes–and that main “benefit” it that women who have suffered FGM are less likely to expect any pleasure from their thug husbands.
carol says
It’s important, as Wellington says, to not allow conflation of FGM with male cirumcision to go unopposed. The last thing we need is to become confused and desensitized due to nonsense propaganda from outright brutal P&g#.
Kepha says
I’m sure I howled in pain when I was circumcised, but if it is overly traumatic, I seem to have forgotten it. The same is probably true for most other males circumcised in infancy. However, I understand a clitorodectomy is far from analogous to a male’s loss of a foreskin.
maghan says
It all depends.
http://www.cirp.org/library/restoration/
Flavius Claudius Iulianus says
I went to the comment section of Canadian Medical Association’s website and entered the following:
I recommend that you speak out against this article. It is full of misinformation and misdirection. Your policy on this firm:
Policy resolution BD95-02-33 – Female genital mutilation
Status: Last Reviewed, 2017-Mar-04: Still relevant. Approved, 1994-Oct-22.
Subject terms: Child abuse; Circumcision; Violence against women
Resolution:
That the Canadian Medical Association consider female genital mutilation to be a form of violence against girls and women and a violation of their basic human rights to bodily integrity, and furthermore that it condemn the practice of female genital mutilation.
This article is trying to equate male and female circumcision:
http://muslimsincalgary.ca/female-circumcision-in-islam/
gravenimage says
Thank you.
Flavius Claudius Iulianus says
sorry for all the typos. hope you got the gist of it.
gravenimage says
No worries–I knew what you meant.
libertyORdeath says
“expressed by a largely Jewish controlled media”
Hey now, isn’t that supposed to be the crazy theory of white supremacists and neo-nazis?
I also love how she tried to cram the same ridiculous sentence down everyone’s throats…
“Female Circumcision is an Islamic tradition, and involve only the removal of the clitoral prepuce and no more.”
“all that was necessary in the case of women was to remove the skin covering the clitoris, which it declared to be obligatory, pointing out that a majority of the classical scholars of Islam including Imam Shafi and Imam Hanbali thought it to be so.”
I’m sure those scholars were well versed in 21st century medicine and hygiene lol.
“I could see nothing wrong with it, since all they said that was required was to remove the prepuce or the skin covering the clitoris, a relatively minor and harmless procedure very much like male circumcision which like it might confer some health benefits as well.”
“Female Circumcision in Islam involve the removing of part of the prepuce or the skin covering the clitoris, a relatively minor and harmless procedure and very much like male circumcision”
“There is a strong body of evidence emerging to support the view that the proper Islamic procedure involving the removal of the clitoral prepuce is beneficial to women and not detrimental to them”
All this with no evidence. No links or citations from the “numerous writings from Western doctors” that claim to show the supposed benefits of any form of this ghoulish practice, even the method so highly
recommended by those medical doctors par excellance – classical Islamic scholars ;)…
“which it declared to be obligatory, pointing out that a majority of the classical scholars of Islam including Imam Shafi and Imam Hanbali thought it to be so.”
BTW, the obviously uninformed author of this garbage conveniently left out the fact that a large % of FGM is not done by a doctor, or in any type of medical setting, or in hygienic conditions, or with proper medical tools. These girls are being sliced open every day by women and men with absolutely no medical training and with horrific instruments that would be more at home in an inquisition era torture chamber than any hospital.
Will the women on the left wake up before they are subjected to such savagery themselves or are they simply happy to hurl insults at the only people trying to put a stop to it? Will they have to see their faux multicultural utopia burn in ever more frequent suicide blasts or crushed beneath more and more vehicle attacks? I for one hope that there are still enough rational people in the world than to let it get too much worse.
Victoria says
I am adamantly opposed to FGM in any form, and I appreciate your pointing out that there is no evidence presented that taking off the skin of the clitoris will leave a female undamaged. Nevertheless, I wonder how much actual damage is caused by this procedure when limited in the way described. Of course, we can argue that it is often not limited or sanitary, etc., etc. But, do we have evidence (even anecdotal) that a woman’s sexual responses are lessened in this case? I would guess that yes, we do. But we need to find it and present it, not just ignore the claim being made, no matter that the claim is being made by a disgusting misogynistic pig.
libertyORdeath says
Great point, the difficulty in doing the type of research you suggest is the complete refusal of the Muslim community to allow it to happen. While the least damaging form of FGM being pushed by the author is obviously less risky than the more brutal versions, it’s still blatantly obvious that there is simply NO BENEFIT to the patient. This argument for a purported benefit is simply a response to the common sense that tells any rational person that this procedure is NOT for the patient, but rather for the benefit of a male associated with the patient or more succinctly, for the benefit of the entire male demographic of Muslims. It is just another way to turn women and girls into animals or objects who need a Muslim man to tell or force them to do what they want or what is accepted by islam.
gravenimage says
And these Muslims are lying. Type I, II, and III FGM *all* involve the removal of the clitoris. What she describes barely exists, and falls into the catch-all category of Type IV along with such rarities as clitoral “knicks” and scratches. No mainstream school of Islamic jurisprudence talks about just removing the prepuce.
FYI says
Of course this is the same religion whose muhammed promoted the drinking of camel urine as a heath tonic.This is a fact.
Drinking the excretory liquid waste of an animal as foul smelling as a camel is quite disgusting and certainly is not likely to be good for you is it?
But Doctor mo recommends it….
Sahih Bukhari 8:82:794
Sahih Muslim 16:4130
ibn ishaq 667,678{the sirat rasul allah}
So if mo recommends it then surely muslims must follow his example.For a full facial,shove your head up the backside of the camel.But make sure you wash 5 times first in the direction of mecca.
muslims like to think they are the cleanest people in the world.
A shame their souls are unwashed.
The unclean state of the soul cannot be whitewashed with ablutions or praying towards mecca.
Carolyne says
No, the Muslim system of hygiene does not leave their bodies clean. They wash their feet, but the rest of their bodies might be unwashed for days or weeks. In fact, if no water is available, they are permitted to use sand. I recently learned that the Arabic word for washing oneself is “Wudu,” which I find hilarious as many Arabic words are. Is it really a language?
Vic says
Here is a story from 2016 of a Somali lady in the UK who underwent FGM as a child and who is trying to make a difference by exposing the suffering she has gone through.
http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-36101342?SThisFB%3FSThisFB
I hear that Ob-Gyn doctors in Europe are confronted with a number of issues in the delivery room due to FGM in primiparas and multiparas coming with the influx of immigrants and refugees. And not just with the mothers but also with the neonates.
There is a surge in the clinics of cases of girls with all sorts of urinary tract infections as well as dysmenorrhea. This translates for them into having to develop for the personnel new levels of service and expertise not previously considered. Now, in the UK and other countries several new reconstructive surgical procedures has been developed to service this population.
But more legislation to prohibit the practice and developing a level of medical services to reach out to these victims is not enough. We have to confront and expose the evil behind the reason this practice exists. It’s not just “generational cultural traditions” or the culture of the people in Africa or in Asia or the ME…that is a smoke screen to deceive everyone–those who performing the procedures, the victims themselves, the men who are in agreement and those who question why it happens to them.
It comes from the pit of hell and is perpetrated by fear and commanded in one religion. Islam.
Thank you Christine for this article. Thanks to JW, Robert Spencer and fellow islamophobes that choose to confront the issue and publically denounce it. None of us are against these victims, but we are certainly against the ideology that perpetrates this evil practice and keeps them in prison of fear and shame. Let’s not be silent about it. Let’s raise our voices at every opportunity.
“For we fight not against flesh and blood, but against rulers, against the powers, against the world forces of this darkness, against the spiritual forces of wickedness in the heavenly places.” Ephesians 6:12 NASB
gravenimage says
And there are Fistula hospitals in Africa run by charitable Infidels. Fistulas occur when the fetus punches through the rectum during childbirth. Virtually every case of this happens when the mother has been infibulated, which is practiced in Type III FGM. This is where the vagina is sewn up, and normal childbirth is very difficult. If untreated, it can lead to incontinence, infection, and death.
Sickeningly, most women who survive this are rejected by their husbands and families, and are reduced to begging in the streets.
God, I hate Islam.
Barry Donnelly says
Oh my stars !!! What has happened to my favorite Canadian city ? Whatever happened to Rodeo, Native Culture and Fishing for trout in the Bow River ? This makes me truly ill !!!
gravenimage says
I know how you feel. This is the time for patriotic Canadians to stand up for their civilized society!