Islamic law forbids Muslim women to marry non-Muslim men, although Muslim men may marry women from “the People of the Book.” The idea is the the Muslim community is always expanding, the non-Muslim community always diminishing.
“31-year-old succumbs to injury in Kuppam,” New Indian Express, September 6, 2017 (thanks to Ravi):
TIRUPATI: A 31-year-old man who was hacked two days ago at NTR colony in Kuppam of Chittoor district for being in a relationship with a girl from another faith breathed his last on Tuesday. His mother, who too was attacked, is still under treatment.Police have imposed IPC Section 144 in the region and are patrolling the streets to prevent reprisals.The victim, Upendra, was attacked by eight of the girl’s relatives identified as Ahmathulla, alias Basha, Hamanullah, 31, Rahamathullah, 28, Azad, 25, and four others.
Police said the eight barged into Upendra’s house on Sunday claiming that he had pushed stagnated water into their house. “It was only an excuse. They bore a grudge against him for his alleged affair with their sister,” the police said.The men then hacked Upenda and beat up his mother who was in the kitchen. They emptied the steaming hot contents of a vessel on her and ransacked the house before leaving. Residents of the colony tried to catch the assailants but they managed to escape….
mortimer says
RETRIBUTION and REVENGE for LOSS OF HONOR is grounds for murder in Islam:
-K.11.173 “Believers, retaliation is decreed for you in bloodshed.”
-K.2.178 “O you who believe! Retaliation is prescribed for you in the matter of the slain.”
-“The reprisal against those who wage war on Allah and His Messenger, and go about the earth corrupting it, is that they should be killed or crucified, or have their alternate hands and feet cut off, or be banished from the land.” (K.5:33) Waging war against Allah is rejecting Him.”–Tafsir of Imam al-Bukhari
-Imam AbdulLatif ibn AbdurRahman rahimullah said, “It is not possible for someone to realize Tawheed and act upon it, and yet not be hostile against the mushrikeen. So anyone who isn’t hostile against the mushrikeen, then it can’t be said that he acts upon Tawheed, nor that he realizes it.” [ad-Durar as-Saniyyah 8/167]
-(The recompense of those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger and do mischief in the land is only that they shall be killed or crucified or their hands and their feet be cut off on the opposite sides, or be exiled from the land.) `Wage war’ mentioned here means: oppose and contradict, and it includes (opposing) disbelief.”–Tafsir Ibn Kathir “Surat al-Ma’idah [Q 5]”
-K. 2.191 “And kill them wherever you find them, and drive them out from whence they drove you out, and persecution is severer than slaughter, and do not fight with them at the Sacred Mosque until they fight with you in it, but if they do fight you, then slay them; such is the recompense of the unbelievers.”
Early Islam is a river of blood… so are the borders of Islam, where Islam touches another culture.
LeftisruiningCanada says
Wow, those brave shining knights of Islamic righteousness, 8 guys on 1. And his mother. Definitely honourable.
Guy Forester says
One of the reasons we have a second amendment, at least in some parts anyway. Unfortunately, Canada has really restricted the ability of the citizens to defend their lives. Not as bad as the UK, though.
LeftisruiningCanada says
You’re right of course. You can still own some half decent long guns, shotguns etc, but with all the hassle around handguns they aren’t really worth it. The real problem is not what you can physically have though. It’s the total ban on being able to justifiably use them in self defence that has really gutted the Canadian of any comparable 2nd amendment right. You will always be the perp, no matter the circumstance. Sad.
John Forbes says
CANADA is fast moving down the ISLAMIC PATH with MUSLIM JUSTIN & His Muslim Brotherhood Leading & pushing relentlessly while the CANADIAN MAJORITY has been conned & most are blissfully fast asleep !
They think that MUSLIM JUSTIN is fine !!!
HOW on earth the LABELS of ISLAM IS A RELIGION OF PEACE FOLLOWED BY VIOLENCE HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH ISLAM EVER GOT INTO WESTERN DOGMA IS WELL BEYOND ME !
ISLAM HAS IN 1400 YEARS NEVER BEEN PEACEFUL !!!
LeftisruiningCanada says
For sure. My wife and I were in Paris recently and the Muslim (self identified) hotel receptionist was happy to welcome us as Canadians. He told us that everybody he knows, locally and in Muslim lands abroad, loves Trudeau for being so open and kind to Islam.
Wonderful.
gravenimage says
Very depressing, LeftisruiningCanada.
balam says
I think Myanmar s justified in putting Muslims out of their country. .You can neither live beside them or with them
peter says
I completely agree .Living next to a muslim is like having a snake in your bed for company! I congratulate the people and president of Burma on their bold move !
mortimer says
FORBIDDING WHAT IS WRONG! ALLAH’S HIT SQUADS!
‘HISBAH’ is the name of a CONCEPT and often an official religious police force in many Muslim countries.
The concept of hisbah in Islam originates from a set of Qur’anic verses and Hadith. It is an obligation placed on ALL Muslims to CALL FOR what is good or right and to PREVENT or DENOUNCE what is bad or wrong. The Koran states: “Let there arise from you a GROUP CALLING to all that is good, enjoining what is right and FORBIDDING what is wrong. It is these who are successful.” (Koran 3:104). A hadith states: “Whosoever among you sees an act of wrong SHOULD CHANGE IT WITH HIS HANDS. If he is not able to do so, then he should change it with his tongue. If he is not able to do so, then with his heart, and this is the weakest of faith.” (Sahih Muslim, 49)
The HISBAH GOON SQUADS are ‘successful’ in IMPOSING discriminatory SHARIA LAW upon people who hate it!
The unofficial hisbah squad in
dumbledoresarmy says
Nonie Darwish, in her book on sharia, calls them “allah’s enforcers”.
gravenimage says
All true, Mortimer and DDA. And this did not happen in a Muslim country, but in India.
gravenimage says
India: Muslims hack Hindu to death for being in a relationship with a Muslim woman
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Muslims may marry, kidnap, and rape Infidel women–but no non-Muslim is allowed to see a Muslim woman.
LeftisruiningCanada says
Doesn’t seem to be about the woman does it? More about if she’s believing in the False Prophet ( PBuh). That’s the only thing that gives her even a little worth !
gravenimage says
Yes–although Muslim women *have* been “Honor Killed” for dating Infidels, or even just choosing the man they want to marry, even if he is another Muslim.
As Dumbledore’s Army mentions elsewhere on this thread, the fact that there is no mention of the woman at all besides the accusation against the victim may well mean that the Muslim assailants knew that the charge was false. This is very common, as well.
balam says
It s a ONE WAY street in EVIL ISLAM. t has got to be eliminated like NAZISM.
gravenimage says
They may will kill the Muslim woman he was seeing, as well, in order to regain their “honor”.
dumbledoresarmy says
The thing is, it isn’t even clear from the article whether there *was* any relationship between the Hindu guy and the Muslimah.
The Muslims may have *pretended* that there was, in order to have an excuse to attack this guy and his mum.
Alternatively, they *imagined* that there was a relationship, because the poor guy happened to look sideways at her, once. In Iraq, a Muslim bloke murdered his daughter on the mere perfervid suspicion that she had become ‘sweet’ on a British soldier who was handing out aid supplies (food and such) to civilians. There was no actual evidence that the couple had so much as ‘changed eyes’, to use a Shakespearean phrase. But the man killed his daughter… and if the Infidel in the case had not been a British soldier, heavily armed and in a secure military camp, if he had been, instead, say, an Assyrian Christian, he too – and his whole family – would probably have been attacked and killed. All on the basis of the gutter mentality fostered by Islam.
gravenimage says
Actually, you are right, DDA–this might well have been paranoia, or even just a cynical excuse for attacking this Hindu family.
After all, Muslims regularly accuse Christians and other Infidels of “insulting the prophet” or “burning the Qur’an”, even when there is not evidence of any such thing having taken place.
LeftisruiningCanada says
Hard to imagine living under such circumstances, surrounded as you would be by vindictive childish fanatics given to spontaneous violent outbursts, devoid of conscience and incapable of accepting any responsibility for their actions.
gravenimage says
Living in Dar-al-Islam as an Infidel would be hellish, LeftisruiningCanada. But then, it is intended to be.
More Ham Ed says
“muslims [lowercase be upon them] hack Hindu to death”
Ever notice that islamic terror and killing is and has to be the absolute messiest method known to mankind. Ever notice that Hollywood’s productions always depict the messiest and most offensive forms of violence? It all comes from the same fallen angel.
LeftisruiningCanada says
Could be something to that. Corrupting the imago Dei is very attractive to a certain fallen creature.
gravenimage says
I think that mutilation of victims is also intended to further terrorize the survivors.
nicu says
Why there is no cure invented against these Muzzies , yet ?
And yes : typically they show up with minimum 3 -5 people — they are such cowards !
I hope Indian police is not like those in Europe !
Guy Forester says
Don’t get me started. Let us just say that the USN and USMC did address these kinds of grievances in a rather effective way. It worked for many generations until we forgot those hard lessons of the past.
gravenimage says
True–people in the West *used* to understand the threat of Islam. In some ways we were almost too successful in beating back the threat–few in the West were at risk from Muslim savagery for almost two hundred years–and so we forgot. Add to that the rise of “political correctness” and we have the willful ignorance over Islam that we see everywhere today.
Vajapeya says
Oh don’t kid yourself nicu. Just as European police are afraid of being labelled racist, Indian policemen fear of being labelled “Non-secular”. This is a Euphemism for pandering to Muslims. I bet not even a FIR will be filed with the police. The local MLA/MP will make sure not to make villains of the murderers. But they will frame the case in such a away to make it look that this Hindu man was the Philandering sex maniac and these poor Muslims had no way to save their sister from this predator except for hacking him to death.
utis says
I noticed in the end of the first paragraph of the news article that the police were all over the place, trying to prevent “reprisals,” i.e., making sure no muslim suffered, not even the know guilty one. Just the way Western authorities worry about “backlash” whenever there is a gruesome islamic attack on kufr.
And by the way, I hope someone sends this lovely example of islamic female freedom to Linda Sarsour’s Twitter account. How she gonna’ explain that? Not being able to marry outside the group is discrimination, no matter what the reason. Limiting the prohibition to women only is sexism.
gravenimage says
Grimly true about the dhimmitude in India, utis. It is often as bad as it is in the West.
Vajapeya says
By the way this has happened in the temple town of Tirupati ins South India in the state of Andhra Pradesh, which has been a very holy place of pilgrimage for Hindus for centuries. I remember that there were attempts of establishing a Muslim university in the town. Imagine the hell that would have been raised if Hindus attempted to establish a temple or a school teaching the Vedas in Mecca or Medina. Also evangelical Christians are clamoring for building a church on the mountain on which the temple is located. Again a mountain holy to Hindus since time immemorial. Again if Hindus clamor for a Hindu temple in the Vatican or Lourdes or Jerusalem or Bethlehem would it be allowed?
Cicero says
You are so right Vajapeya. You seem to well aware of the minorityism mind set operating in India. I hope you are steadily raising the consciousness of Indians albeit in a subtle manner in order to make them self aware
Vajapeya says
Yeah, i do it in my own small way by sharing links from JW, pamela geller etc with friends and like minded people. And thanks to these websites the Hindu people in India are slowly beginning to see it all. We also have national/cultural minded politicians like Subramanyam Swami, intellectuals like Rajiv Malhotra etc, may be you are aware of. They too are doing a good job. The only difference between India and the West is that the West is fighting a single force, whereas we being probably one of the oldest surviving heathens/pagans/kafirs etc are fighting 2 forces:- Islamic terrorism and evangelical Christianity.
sencit says
Huge difference! Evangelical Christianity does not seek to harm or kill you!
gravenimage says
Oh, good grief, Vajapeya–evangelical Christians are not trying to harm you–would that you could say that of Muslims.
You did notice that it was not evangelical Christians who attacked this Hindu family with machetes, didn’t you?
Varunapraghasa says
Yeah sencit & gravenimage i do agree with you both they do not hack and kill people like these Islamist’s. But their attack happens on a different level, i.e. through Indian NGO’s though which they channelize their funds to fight for various “Causes”. I am not in any way conflating this attack and evangelical Christianity. Any day i would prefer to have evangelical Christians for my neighbors than these rascals. Though they can be irksome, they are no way dangerous physically.
1. But to talk of “Causes” they support, a case in point is the Koodankulam nuclear reactor that was built in collaboration with the Russians, in south India. During the inauguration of the reactor, a Christian funded NGO raked up environmental issues even though it had taken 15 years to build it and all the necessary due diligence was done. Later it was found that udaykumar the person propped up
by the NGO as a nuclear expert was no nuclear expert, but a layman as any other. This delayed the production of electricity by this plant by a year. If this had happened many remote villages that never had known electricity right from independence would have been electrified.
2. The way these guys behave during natural calamities is disgusting During the Tsunami that hit the east coast of India, i was unfortunately a witness to heart rendering spectacle. Fishing villages on the coast were cut of from the rest of the hinterland. roads were inundated and the only way of travel was by boat on the coast line. I saw christian missionaries using this situation to make the villager sign a confession in Christ in exchange for food packets, medicine kits and blankets. . 90% of them are illiterate and even wouldn’t know what they signed on(Thumb impressions to be exact). Also mother Teresa’s organization never showed up there.
On the other hand many Hindu organizations(One of which i volunteered for) did yeoman service, irrespective of caste, religion, language etc. But the bloody “Sickular” press covered these evangelical Christians shamelessly harvesting hungry souls for Christ as doing excellent service.
Take the unfortunate burning of Graham Staines. A incident that should never have happened. But it was in retaliation to the murder of Swami Lakshmananda whose organization was doing great work in tribal belts. Mind you he was not seeking to re-converting anybody actively. But many tribals who converted to Christianity came back on their own to their ancestral religions. A situation that enraged the missionaries and they arrange for this swami to be killed.
Sorry for the long comment. But i wanted to demonstrate how evangelicals behave. Yes i agree they are not hewing down people or bombing them. But they act on a subtle level and manipulate the pro “Minority” sentiment.
LeftisruiningCanada says
Difference is that Islam says it’s ok, good even, to harm kill and lie to their enemies. If a Christian does any of that, it’s definitely against what Christ taught and grounds for questioning a persons confession of faith.
In Islam, there’s no way to call a killer of infidel men, a raper of infidel women or a bomber of infidel children “unislamic”.
Vajapeya says
Yes leftisruiningcanada i do agree with you. As i already stated i would prefer to have them for neighbors I do not hate all Christians i am not against even the openly evangelical ones whom come to us once in a while at a bus stop or when hanging out with friends. These guys are atleast open and when we say no we aren’t interested they do persist for sometime but eventually leave. It is the clandestine one’s operating on big budgets from foreign donors, embedding themselves within the government and play havoc on the social setup, educational systems that we worry about. We do not worry about individuals who are really personally devoted to the message of the gospel and think that it their duty to save us “Heathens” from sure hellfire and damnation. We consider these people at best to be Naive and childish. We do not wish any harm to them.
gravenimage says
Also mother Teresa’s organization never showed up there
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Christians didn’t do enough in a natural disaster? Obviously, that is morally the same as murdering people…
Varunapraghasa says
gravenimage. Again you misunderstand. I am not saying that, and i clarified that in my earlier comments that it is not so. Why I took the specific case of Mother Teresa was that in the west they have the idea that this saint of Calcutta(When alive) or her organization was/are there wherever disasters strike and she/her organization are angels to the rescue.Truth is, it is not so, as touted in the West. During the Bhopal gas tragedy, people intercepted her at an airport and asked her for help. But all she blurted out was “Forgive Forgive Forgive”. Nothing concrete. She sided with Anderson Cooper of Union carbide and defended him, just like she defended the Swindler Charles Keating and the Duvalier family.
The issue is, the new converts in India become more Zealous than their original co-coreligionist’s from the West. They begin to view their own people whom they have lived with for centuries as sinners. The very land of India in which they and their ancestors were born, becomes the land of “Heathens” to be converted. Thus when these overzealous local guys are sent out on the field, by these NGO’s they behave badly and try to imitate medieval European Christianity, like the one’s i described.Most western Christians practice a sort of mild form of the religion, due to the influence of Renaissance etc. But these new converts take to reading the old and new testaments and try to follow them to the letter. For example Catholics in India take Lent fasting very seriously. But i found most Western Catholics are not that much serious about it. Most Western people find it difficult to understand what i say, and find what i say offensive. They do not understand what is happening on the field. Rest assured i meant no offence.
Henner720 says
Og beyound obvious that islam is a totalitarian right-wing gangsta succesess. The wests acceptance (relative) is money. Some of us sucks the oilmoney out of them, and 4 petty pity death of some 100’s westeners they will not stop. Even jihadwatch makes a living on this surreal agenda. Thanks god for jihadwatch.if it stopped robert can get a honoury doctoratate for my money.maybe its time to look closer within own tanks Thise who benefits on appeacement stategies?
gravenimage says
Henner720 wrote:
Even jihadwatch makes a living on this surreal agenda.
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I’m sure there are many things the scholarly Robert Spencer would rather do with his valuable time than deal with Jihad savagery and personal death threats day in and day out.
The idea that he is happy to make money off this viciousness–questionable, in any case, since Jihad Watch is chronically underfunded–is just appalling.
The truth is that we owe Robert Spencer a debt of gratitude for his indefatigable work on educating people on the Jihad threat.
I’m sure, like Winston Churchill, he hopes the day will come when this threat is neutralized and he can devote his time to more congenial studies and hobbies. Until then, I am *very* glad that he has chosen to do this difficult and dangerous work.
Varunapraghasa says
Latest on the Rohingya crisis. A sad human tragedy.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TLJhNcFT9dA
Varunapraghasa says
Latest on the Rohingya crisis. A sad human tragedy.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TLJhNcFT9dA
Jacqueleen says
There is no such thing as a peaceful Muslim, They are totally uncivilized and belong in caves and tents in the desert banned from entry into a civilized nation…The radicals are openly violent and the moderates apply DAWA multiplying and infiltrating all facets of society (not assimilating) to become the majority and then they will take over the nation.
They deceive, lie and demand to achieve their goals Muslims cannot be trusted. They will win the Academy Award for best actor to make one think that they are so “NICE!”
Don’t believe it……
utis says
Christians and Hindus and Jews and Buddhists — all other religions as a unit still outnumber muslims. We must put aside our differences and resist muslim propaganda. United we stand; divided we fall — one by one by one.
gravenimage says
Hear, hear, utis!
Varunapraghasa says
Even if there is unity at the people level, the government won’t allow this and may be would slap cases of sedition and anti national activities and would lock you up without trial for 10 years. I am not sure of the governments of the West but many local state governments in India do not arrest and destroy even ISIS terrorists and their hideouts. Even if they are exposed This really happened. But the people who reported these things were warned of severe police action by authorities. This would dissuade anybody from acting
utis says
Varunapraghasa,
I won’t lecture an Indian on passive resistance. When your government does not look after your interests or even your safety it is no longer your government. When resistance is futile, resistance is your only option. Try carefully to meet like-minded people. When that is dangerous, used the internet to see what’s going on in the rest of the world. I know even that resource is being eroded, but before it is completely neutered, use it. It’s encouraging to be sure that you are not alone in your thinking.
Ric says
Nothing regarding Islam is shocking. This perverse, and debauched cult continues on its apocalyptic pathway in its attempt to drag the world into another dark-age. This non-Romeo and Juliette, indeed a tragedy, is the byproduct of Islam’s loathing of anyone daring to violate the Qu’ran’s edict. Unfortunately, Western Democracy’s leadership and those, the so-called, Leftist Progressives are dizzying with their gratuitous pandering to this cult of unabashed bigotry, hostility and nihilistic terror. Sharia is not law and order or a law of principles as is the Ten Commandments but a flagrant manifesto of intolerance, misogynism, etc. plus, a convenience in its sanctioning to murder infidels and those daring to break Islamic law, Sharia.
Vajapeya says
Yes leftisruiningcanada i do agree with you. As i already stated i would prefer to have them for neighbors I do not hate all Christians i am not against even the openly evangelical ones whom come to us once in a while at a bus stop or when hanging out with friends. These guys are atleast open and when we say no we aren’t interested they do persist for sometime but eventually leave. It is the clandestine one’s operating on big budgets from foreign donors, embedding themselves within the government and play havoc on the social setup, educational systems that we worry about. We do not worry about individuals who are really personally devoted to the message of the gospel and think that it their duty to save us “Heathens” from sure hellfire and damnation. We consider these people at best to be Naive and childish. We do not wish any harm to them.