In addressing the taboo topic of why Muslims have been so quiet in the debate about same-sex marriage, Ali Kadri, spokesperson for the Islamic Council of Queensland in Australia, states that the “left side” has been the staunchest defender of gays and Muslims, so for Muslims to declare their opposition to homosexuality would risk losing the support of the “left side.” Kadri says:
Unfortunately, in the current climate, the right and conservative side has attacked Muslims as terrorists and extremists, and naturally the left side has been allies in defending us for a long period of time.
There are two points to note in Kadri’s statement.
First, “the right and conservative side” is not collectively attacking Muslims as terrorists and extremists, as Kadri charges, but instead has been sounding the alarm about human rights violations that jihadists and Islamic supremacists commit daily. Criticizing elements of Islam they use to justify their actions has been wrongly lebaled “Islamophobic” and portrayed as an attack on all Muslims. This labeling has served as a propaganda tool to target those who tell the truth.
Second, Islamic doctrine is vehemently opposed to homosexuality, which presents a dilemma to those Muslims who cling to the “left side” for political support. Here are some examples of how homosexuals are treated in various countries because of the Sharia:
- In March, a report revealed that Muslim parents were taking their children out of a Berlin nursery when they discovered that the teacher was gay.
- In Canada, a Muslim principal instructed that homosexuals are “cursed by Allah.”
- Last year, a boarding school for Muslim girls in the UK was shut down for teaching “strict sharia-style rules” to students, including the teaching that gay people should be killed.
- In July, a Muslim in Oakland stated: “I’m going to place a bomb in a gay club.”
- In April, Chechen authorities were arresting and killing gay men.
- Iran also arrested over 30 gay men and subjected them to humiliating “sodomy tests.” And who could forget the words of former Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad? He once said at Columbia University, in response to a question about executing gays in Iran: “In Iran we don’t have homosexuals like in your country….In Iran we do not have this phenomenon.”
- Across Europe, Muslim migrants have been abusing gay refugees in asylum shelters.
- The Islamic State rigidly adheres to religious doctrine in its practices and executions of gays, routinely throwing gays off rooftops headfirst.
The list goes on. A gay ex-Muslim warned about the “toxic Islamic ideology” behind the Orlando jihad massacre.
Ali Kadri further says: “We are afraid if we come out with our opinion then the left may abandon us.” Kadri’s concern highlights a valid question: what happens when gay issues collide with Muslim ones? Well, here is a sneak peek out of Vancouver that may reveal the answer: a gay Iranian was targeted for wanting his anti-Sharia gay pride float displayed in the Pride Parade:
For several years, the group marched in the Pride Parade and even won an award for their originality. But this year, its application was rejected as “culturally insensitive.”
As the Vancouver Sun noted:
Shawn Shirazi is angry about cultural relativism and the growing unwillingness of people here to criticize radical Islam for fear of being labelled racist or Islamophobic.
Shirazi also called the decision to ban his float a “hypocrisy when it comes to global human rights, but what others argue is showing respect for other cultures and religious traditions.”
Muslims who are concerned about their opposition to homosexuality causing them to risk losing the support from “the left side” may have nothing to worry about, if the Pride Parade in Vancouver is any indication of where the loyalties of the “left side” lie. The absurdity of a gay Muslim being rejected for opposing the human rights abuses justified by Sharia is astonishing. Opposing gays will likely be tolerated by “the left side.” As a result of the aggressive “Islamophobia” campaign, the only religion that cannot and must not be challenged, no matter what, is Islam, even when that challenge is coming from progressive Muslims. Last year, Facebook banned a gay magazine critical of Islam.
“Same-sex marriage: Why have Muslims been so quiet in the debate?”, by Julia Baird, ABC Australia, September 1, 2017:
Observers of the same-sex marriage debate will have noticed the voice of one particular community has been largely missing from the fray: Muslims.
With few exceptions, including a statement from the National Imams Council, almost all of the talk of religious freedom and opposition to the bill on the grounds of faith has come from Christian leaders, particularly from the Anglican and Catholic Churches.
But now one Muslim leader has offered an explanation.
Last night on ABC’s The Drum, Ali Kadri, spokesman for the Islamic Council of Queensland and the Australian Federation of Islamic Councils, said his community was stuck with the choice of offending allies or siding with critics, and the result had been silence.
“Unfortunately, in the current climate, the right and conservative side has attacked Muslims as terrorists and extremists, and naturally the left side has been allies in defending us for a long period of time,” he said.
“We are afraid if we come out with our opinion then the left may abandon us for going against their view and we can’t be friendly with the conservatives because they have been bashing us for 15, 20 years every chance they get … and that includes some Christian sects as well.”
Even though it was the Australian Christian Lobby that led the charge against the Safe Schools program, Mr Kadri said Muslims were also deeply concerned about the possible impact of any legislative changes on education.
“A lot of Muslim community are concerned that religious rights will be trampled in Islamic schools [and that they] will have to follow a national curriculum that will teach things that go against the fundamentals of their religion, so they are concerned about it,” he said.
“There are people in the Muslim community who want to know the facts.
“Will it have an impact on Safe Schools or not?
“Will it trample on our religious freedom because we are already afraid to build mosques, because we get right wing groups complaining about mosques, so will this have further impact on our rights and freedoms?……
Irene Brekelmans says
What a crazy comment: you are afraid of the leftists now for your comments,. Playing the victim role again, your judgements on gays has never stopped you from harassing them, beat them up, throwing them from roofs,
And you are ven afraid to build mosques, that is almost hilarious, you are building thousands of them everywhere wherever there is a spot to build and if that is not enough, you pray in the streets and disrupt the traffic and now all of a sudden you are afraid, it is the usual victim game, but we are used to it, but don’t believe it at all, at least I don’t.You can pull the wool over leftists/liberal/feminists eyes, but not over our eyes. But it is worth trying it, isn’t it? You pulled too many tricks.
PRCS says
As it relates to specific policies, some Muslims are afraid of leftists.
In the grand scheme of things, their fear is the loss of leftist support.
CAIR is a prime example of this–having hypocritically attached themselves to a variety of issues/groups about which written, Orthodox Islam actually teaches hatred of/violence toward.
Bev says
Islamists need to stay in their own countries. Islam is a political system with religion and laws thrown in for 24/7/365 totalitarian control of your life. They have you on your knees 5 times a day praying to kill the infidel. They were banned from this country in 1952 and we need to stick to that ban. Islam is antithetical to our Constitutional Republic.
Terry Gain says
America will not remain free unless it bans Muslim immigration.
PRCS says
And the millions already here: what?
Lucia Bartoli says
You deport them. If they’re natural born Americans you make them register and advise any address changes–like sexual predators
PRCS says
Anyone who thinks Muslims born in this country–or who are Naturalized U.S. Citizens–will be deported merely for their beliefs is fooling themselves.
Got a Game plan B?
gravenimage says
PRCS, nations *have* deported those that threaten them before.
PRCS says
G.I.
I said “for their beliefs”.
Try to stay on topic.
gravenimage says
So sorry to have offended PRCS…
FYI says
So some muslims are afraid to come out of their (own) closet …
The closet called “islam”.
I guess they are trapped in their own islamic closet.If only they had a key to open the door
of their islamic closet……but they would have to replace allah with the True God to do so.That’s the key.
Alas,they are either unwilling or unprepared to UPGRADE to the correct version of God.
Some moslems,however, have done so and have left the closet of islam.They found the Key and how bright and airy it is on the outside of the closet of islam:no more fear,no more manufactured piety!
Come out of the closet of islam,into the light…find the True God….and the Truth will set you free.
Or else remain in the darkness if you wish……in your chains……
PRCS says
The True God? The correct version of God? Good grief, this site’s name is Jihadwatch.
What about Muslims who’ve left ALL religion behind?
That O.K. with you?
gravenimage says
We are all safer when Muslims leave Islam–for any other faith, or none.
PRCS says
That’s not what FYI was vomiting.
gravenimage says
I was replying to your post, PRCS.
Truth 101 says
Just because you’re philosophically juvenile (and don’t understand the link between religion and morality, etc.) doesn’t mean that everyone else will join you in your ignorance.
PRCS says
Philosophically juvenile?
Don’t understand the link between religion and morality?
Sure.
Aussie Infidel says
FYI, Which God is the ‘True’ God? Please, no proselytising on JW. Many of us here are atheists, who just happen to believe that ALL GODS are fictitious – but don’t continually push that point of view. Nevertheless, we agree with followers of other religions that Islam is a criminal political ideology which should not be recognised as a legitimate religion. Islam has no universal Golden Rule of behaviour like Christianity or Buddhism. The only TLC in Islam is for their Muslim ‘brothers’ – provided of course, they are the ‘right type’ of Muslim. They want the rest of us kaffirs to burn in hell – wherever that is!
The ‘My God IS BETTER THAN YOUR GOD’ approach is only used by people who see the world through a supernatural lens. In that respect, the ‘religious right’ are their own worst enemies, because their continual ‘god-bothering’ often drives potential allies away to the Left. Freedom OF religion also implies freedom FROM religion – you cannot have one without the other. And since Islam denies everyone freedom of religion, it is contrary to our laws and Constitutions..
If Islam is classified as a criminal ideology, it surely can be banned. President Jimmy Carter banned Iranians from entry to the US back in 1952, when the Ayatollah Khomeini was rattling sabres.
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/12/09/flashback-president-jimmy-carter-banned-iranians-u-s/
I’ve been across this issue for over 50 years, and the only impediment to banning Islam or Muslims, is a lack of political will from our own ignorant leaders. And this often results from pressure from the ‘Religious Right’ who fear that any such ban might expose the practices of their own beliefs. But despite the US First Amendment guaranteeing freedom of religion – and the erroneous ruling by the 9th Circuit Court against President Trump’s immigration ban – under US Code 8 USC1182 212(f) the President has the power to exclude anyone from the country whom he deems to be a national security risk – for virtually any reason, including suspected terrorist activity.
US CODE 8 USC1182 212(f) Suspension of entry or imposition of restrictions by President. https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/8/1182
UNITED WE STAND, DIVIDED WE FALL!
Raymond Hietapakka says
I just got a 7-Day Facebook ban today from a local political page because the moderator doesn’t like my use of the words “xTian”, “muzzle’em” and “Jooo”, when I tried to post 2 pages of Pew Research polls indicating the approval level of muzzl…er…muslim suicide attacks…
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Bill says
Then I suppose I better post this Whitehouse Petition to declare SPLC & CAIR hate groups & revoke their funding here: Please sign this petition: https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/declare-southern-poverty-law-center-and-council-american-islamic-relations-hate-groups-andsuspend-their-funding
Old Git says
Couldn’t see this petition, but signed another one instead. I’m UK based, but can’t see any reason why non-US person can’t sign, given that the guidance says: Anyone 13 or older can create or sign a petition on WhiteHouse.gov
Pete says
The muzzies are quiet so those who oppose their beliefs will be killed later
Not a hard one to figure
simpleton1 says
“Softly softly catchee the monkee”.
There are bigger fish to fry.
Life is sweet at the moment and muslim society is increasing in numbers and religiosity.
Australia debating same sex marriage, going the liberal way.
Just a small dead rat to follow in the mean time.
Then once that is passed, then polygamy, would be then aimed for, and muslims need the aid of the leftists. We can truly live and breed like muslims then ! ! !
Another goal will be lowering the age of consent, which in some ways have been mooted in some debates, acknowledging that the age difference should not be more than 2 years at this stage.
If that comes to pass then it is 2 years:- a number, easily altered another time.
Immigration is happening on the left and the right, but is most assured from the left.
As incidentally many of the welfare, housing etc, so too many issues may dampen Aussies current legal intake,.
Most likely things like Brexit and Trump has made muslims to be not so brazen, and need to maintain support from leftists.
Australia has remained firm from letting in refugee boats, though they do take in many, supposedly screened through UN auspices.
When muslims have more power, then sharia would be applied, and even on the streets of the most liberal cities, and countries, so it will become truly “dar al-Islam”.
mortimer says
Do gay people think they will have MORE rights or FEWER rights when Muslims influence policy?
simpleton1 says
As per my last paragraph
What does it matter what gay people?
“When muslims have more power, then sharia would be applied, and even on the streets of the most liberal cities, and countries, so it will become truly “dar al-Islam”.”
Plenty of high rises in Australia.
If not high enough plenty of stones would be supplied.
I have a lot respect for gay people who also have respect for me, and some commonsense for society.
We all have duties, accountability and responsibility.
They will be caught out “hunting with hounds and running as a hare” That is also a “blood sport”.
simpleton1 says
2nd line correction
What does it matter what gay people think ?
gravenimage says
Of course it matters what gay people think. We need *all* Infidels to recognize the threat of Islam to us all.
Chris Malan says
“Australia debating same sex marriage” Yes, that’s true. There is supposed to be a vote on it next week. But the LGBTQ community is afraid this vote may go against them. Therefore they took it to the high court to try and stop this vote. In other cases, they are very much for democracy and the will of the majority. But when it comes to militant homosexuality, they are not. That should be rammed down the people’s throats, whether the people want it or not.
They have groups going around high schools, possibly government funded, I’m not sure but suspect it, making propaganda for the LGBTQ lifestyle. Encouraging deviancy is just so wrong. What a sick society we live in.
Aussie Infidel says
Simpleton1, You are not so simple, but have a deeper grasp of the ‘religion of deception’ than most of our ignorant political leaders.
BTW, I know many homosexual people who are decent law-abiding citizens, who are against the upcoming vote – and also totally opposed to Islam. People should not necessarily be condemned simply because of the hand that nature has dealt them.
Just as the Earth is not flat, neither are these issues simply black and white.
John A. Marre says
The left is not going to abandon you. They know you KILL gays, and they don’t let that bother them. They think contradictory thoughts all the time. You are their idols! You are their best bet for destroying all influence that Christianity has on this society, and they love you for it! Don’t ever forget that. You are their passion, their love.
By posing as poor, innocent victims, you get the left to give you very special privileges that Christians don’t have: you can do the occasional rape or shooting, and the left will give you a free pass. Like the Muslim cop who killed an innocent woman, and how the media dropped the story and blocked every mention, every reference to it.
You can even kill gays in a night club. The left will immediately change the story to “Republicans kill gays in hate crime.” No. Muslims, you are valuable to the left. Never fear for anything.
gravenimage says
I live in a very blue state. *Very few* people here understand that Islam is murderously intolerant of gays.
Fools says
Someone said there will be peace in the middle east when Palestinians stop hating Jews more than they love themselves and their children. The left will see the light when they stop hating Christians and the church more than they love themselves and all their pet projects.
mortimer says
The Left is not concerned about human rights per se, but only the human rights of those they consider their allies.
Homosexual rights in Muslim-majority countries are not considered by the Left AT ALL … zip … zero … nada. Consequently, the Leftarded leaders of the LGBTQ group denies the DAILY MURDERS of homosexuals in Muslim countries.
This shows that the gay leaders are more concerned with Marxism than with human rights.
mortimer says
Question for Leftists and Gay Leadership: WHICH ISLAMIC COUNTRY RESPECTS GAY RIGHTS?
S Kevin Wojtaszek says
Gay-Bashing in Jordan—by the Government
https://www.hrw.org/news/2017/08/30/gay-bashing-jordan-government
gravenimage says
Yes–and remember that Jordan is supposed to be “moderate”.
S Kevin Wojtaszek says
Rainbow Railroad Helps 31 Persecuted Chechen Gay & Bisexual Men to Safety
https://www.advocate.com/world/2017/9/03/rainbow-railroad-helps-31-persecuted-chechen-gay-bisexual-men-safety
gravenimage says
All too many are ignoring–or ignorant of–what is happening to gay people in Chechnya.
Aussie Infidel says
According to the Advocate, Trudeau said in a speech on International Day Against Homophobia, Transphobia and Biphobia. “We deplore the recent, reprehensible reports of violations of the human rights of gay and bisexual men in Chechnya. We call for the protection of all people in Chechnya whose sexual orientation makes them a target for persecution. Human rights have no borders.”
Well said! But given his affinity for Muslims, did Justin also criticise the jihadis who are perpetrating these crimes? Or would that be Islamophobia?
S Kevin Wojtaszek says
Queer guerrilla fighters battling ISIS in Syria post message of support for Stockholm Pride
https://www.gaystarnews.com/article/tqila-isis-syria-stockholm-pride/#gs.WcdWe5I
S Kevin Wojtaszek says
Islamist threats fail to halt Arab world’s first Pride week
http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2017/05/26/islamist-threats-fail-to-halt-arab-worlds-first-pride-week/
gravenimage says
Thanks for the links, Kevin.
Don says
There as much as a Hate Group than any others. Islam is a cult of Conquest, destruction, Hate, killing of incident peoples, all in the name of Allah. They don’t come to your Country or any country for that matter to Assimilate. They come to destroy and conquer it by killing Incident Peoples they call Infidels, all Christians, and Jews, which are a target of hate, and destruction, in order to please ALLAH. If anything you better wake and rearm your Citizens, to protect it from these horrid people. Their own History proceeds them, and even the current History of Middle East, EU, Asia and the United States. Don’t worry, the leftist will also be killed unless they accept and Join the Islam heard of devils. Sad but True! They’re no respectors of non-muslims, just Muslims. They lie right to a person face (Infidels) but never lie to each other.
Susan says
First of all Islam is a cult of complete mind, body control from birth to death and has been for centuries since its beginning. There is no logic to their justification of hate toward others, only their theocratic leaders continued teachings of hate and propagands as soon as children can hear and speak. They are indoctrinated and propagandized and brainwashed with their doctrine, the Quran. They are not permitted to allow for any other way of but theirs. They profess to take over the world and establish a global claiphate. Any other group on this globe that lives under this kind of slavery would be labeled a cult and put out of existence but since the Muslims control our oil and have amassed great fortunes the west seems to think they must bow to thier way of life and accept it as a “religion”. Its followers are obviously under “stockholm syndrom” and in need of a mass deprogramming to break free from the bonds of slavery and to come out into the light of self realization, that they are permitted to excel in life and find joy in others.
UNCLE MONGO says
First Off, I Don’t Like Gays! They’re Sick People In My Opinion, But That Is My Opinion! And Despite That Opinion, They Have A Right To Live Their Life Any Way They Wish! They Aren’t Humping Each Other In My House Or My Yard, Then Why Should I Care?
Now I Believe In Live And Let Live, Up To A Point. As Long As It Don’t Screw With My Way Of Life!
So In Light Of My Previous Comment, SCREW ISLAM! And All Who Believe In It! You Are All Nothing But Murderous, Bigoted, Pieces Of Feces Who Preach Hate And Separatism, Not Love And Understanding! You Call All Who Do Not Worship Your Religion, “Infidels”! F#*k Mohammad, F#*k You, And F#*k Your Islam Beliefs! There Is No Place For You, Or Your Racist, Bigoted Sharia Law In The United States!
gravenimage says
Muslim leader on gays: “We are afraid if we come out with our opinion then the left may abandon us”
……………………
Yes. If Westerners knew what Muslims really believed–and yes, this includes the Left–just about everyone would abandon these barbaric thugs.
Aussie Infidel says
Graven, You are absolutely right. Many Westerners know bugger all about Islam. At a Reclaim Australia rally last year, I went along with a placard against Sharia. I saw a sign amongst the crowd of protesters (Unionists, Socialist Alternative and Muslims) who had gathered illegally, which read ‘ATHEISTS AGAINST RACISM’.
So I asked this pro-Islam supporter, “What are you doing on that side of the fence (a security barrier erected by the police)? You should be over here on this side!” He replied, “What do you mean?”
I replied, “The Quran is possibly the most hateful and racist book ever written, and under the Sharia, you would have to convert to Islam or be executed, and Christians would be forced to become ‘dhimmis’, and pay the Jizya tax to keep their heads.”
He clearly didn’t understand what I meant, so I told him to ask the Muslim beside him to explain “What was meant by a dhimmi?” However, rather than explain, the Mussie walked off as fast as his legs could carry him.
These are the useful idiots who, despite all our efforts, will probably never be educated about Islam before it is too late.
Still kicking says
Jesus loves gays. He loves all of us who are made in his image. The left’s hatred of Christianity is a sickness of the mind. The left know that gays are being persecuted and thrown off rooftops but THEY DON’T CARE!!! The insanity increases when they don’t understand that if their country becomes an Islamic cesspit they will be subjugated by Muslims the same as the rest of us. Face the truth!
Strelnikov says
This Muslim is just engaging in taqqiya, the Islamic practice of lying in support of Islam. When it is no longer to their advantage to lie to the Left about gays, they will reveal their true colors. The Left will, by then, have abandoned the gay community to its fate under Islam: Death.
Chris Malan says
I’m against militant gays, too. Your burning the candle for the militant LGBTQ community may alienate everyone not marching in gay pride parades. Let them bum-bash each other in private, far away from the light of day. Their deviancies should not be forced upon society.
BTW, Saudi Arabia has a problem with young boys bum-bashing each other because sexual segregation is absolute. They have posters up in public places, like the community centres of the hospitals I worked. These posters don’t proclaim beheading but just advocates strongly against homosexuality.
rabrooks says
Stop the lies! Muzzies hate everyone! Beside the koran, there is another document. I just ran across their “Al-Wala’ Wa’l-Bara'”. It’s supposed to be their 2nd most important document. It’s a license and directive to hate everything non-mudslime.
Please correct me if I’m wrong……
gravenimage says
You are right.
gravenimage says
Here’s Sye Ten’s grimly hilarious take on Muslims on gays:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QCWx3ujqYpQ