In addition to what is noted below, Ahmed al-Tayeb, the Grand Imam of Cairo’s al-Azhar, thanked Pope Francis for his “defense of Islam against the accusation of violence and terrorism.” Pope Francis has also said that “authentic Islam and the proper reading of the Koran are opposed to every form of violence.”
After Islamic jihadists murdered the Charlie Hebdo cartoonists who had drawn Muhammad, Francis obliquely justified the murders by saying that “it is true that you must not react violently, but although we are good friends if [an aide] says a curse word against my mother, he can expect a punch, it’s normal. You can’t make a toy out of the religions of others. These people provoke and then (something can happen). In freedom of expression there are limits.” So for the Pope, murdering people for violating Sharia blasphemy laws is “normal,” and it isn’t terrorism for “Christian terrorism does not exist, Jewish terrorism does not exist, and Muslim terrorism does not exist. They do not exist,” he said in a speech last February. “There are fundamentalist and violent individuals in all peoples and religions—and with intolerant generalizations they become stronger because they feed on hate and xenophobia.”
“Leave them; they are blind guides. And if a blind man leads a blind man, both will fall into a pit.” (Matthew 15:14)
“On 9/11 Anniversary, Pope Francis Says ‘Religions Cannot Want Anything But Peace,’” by Thomas D. Williams, Breitbart, September 12, 2017:
In a message released on the eve of the anniversary of the 9/11 Islamic terror attacks in the United States, Pope Francis has reaffirmed his conviction that all religions want peace and cannot do otherwise.
In his message for an interreligious meeting being held in Münster and Osnabrück Sept. 10-12, the Pope stated that religions are called to respond to people’s thirst for peace, and “together with all men and women of good will, to pave tirelessly new paths of peace.”
Religions “cannot desire anything other than peace, as they pray and serve, ever ready to help those hurt by life and oppressed by history, ever concerned to combat indifference and to promote paths of communion,” he said.
A year ago, Pope Francis made the same point in a brief address aboard the papal plane en route to Krakow for World Youth Day. At that time, the Pope told journalists traveling with him that the world is at war, but it is “not a religious war.”
“Every religion wants peace,” he said.
The Pope created a media frenzy earlier this year when he asserted that Islamic terrorism does not exist, with some critics suggesting that the Pope was stretching or even denying the truth for the sake of Muslim appeasement.
“Christian terrorism does not exist, Jewish terrorism does not exist, and Muslim terrorism does not exist. They do not exist,” Francis said in his speech to a world meeting of populist movements.
Though he apparently meant that not all Muslims are terrorists—a fact evident to all—his words also seemed to suggest that no specifically Islamic form of terrorism exists in the world.
The Islamic State terror group took offense at the Pope’s assertion that the war being waged by Islamic terrorists is not religious in nature, assuring the pontiff that their sole motivation is religious and sanctioned by Allah in the Qur’an.
In a 2016 issue of Dabiq, the propaganda magazine of the Islamic State, ISIS criticized Francis for his naïve conviction that Muslims want peace and that acts of Islamic terror are not religiously motivated.
“This is a divinely-warranted war between the Muslim nation and the nations of disbelief,” the authors stated in an article titled “By the Sword.”
The authors attacked Francis for claiming that “authentic Islam and the proper reading of the Qur’an are opposed to every form of violence,” saying that by doing this, “Francis continues to hide behind a deceptive veil of ‘good will,’ covering his actual intentions of pacifying the Muslim nation.”
Pope Francis “has struggled against reality” in his efforts to portray Islam as a religion of peace, the article insisted, before going on to urge all Muslims to take up the sword of jihad, the “greatest obligation” of a true Muslim.
“The blood of the disbelievers is obligatory to spill by default. The command is clear. Kill the disbelievers, as Allah said, ‘Then kill the polytheists wherever you find them.’”
“The fact is, even if you were to stop bombing us, imprisoning us, torturing us, vilifying us, and usurping our lands, we would continue to hate you because our primary reason for hating you will not cease to exist until you embrace Islam,” the article reads.
“Even if you were to pay jizyah [tax for infidels] and live under the authority of Islam in humiliation, we would continue to hate you,” it said…..
mariam rove says
This Pope is on drugs. m
Westman says
He also has crusades amnesia.
Bad Pope, Bad Pope, what’r ya’ gonna do, when they come for you?
Robeaver says
Hahaha wish I had said that.
Milo says
Sorry, you’re excusing subversion in the name of confusion.
John Forbes says
THE POPE HAS BEEN drinking THE wine IN very large quantities again !!!!
GET HIM TO TAKE UP WEED – IT MAY CHANGE THE RESULT !!
Andy says
Jesuits Created The Secret Rapture
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i3hXKNTMuEY
Gordon Miller says
The pope sounds bit like Obama who I remember some years ago saying that ALL religions were peaceful. In other words, Christianity, Judaism, and Islam as practiced today are all equally wonderful, and no distinctions can be made among them. Do you believe this?
Patk Morrison says
What the Pope does not understand is that the idea of Islamic peace is. When all people have shown their desire to be a believer in Islam or pay their respects and taxes to Islam then there will be peace. And all that do not do so will have peace in death.
D Austin says
“Francis obliquely justified the murders by saying that “it is true that you must not react violently, but although we are good friends if [an aide] says a curse word against my mother, he can expect a punch, it’s normal.”
So if I read the word “punch” “properly”, it really means kill them! Thanks Frank!
Jaladhi says
Is this Pope on a trip – he is hallucinating about Islam and Muslims totally devoid of reality!
James says
“In a message released on the eve of the anniversary of the 9/11 Islamic terror attacks in the United States, Pope Francis has reaffirmed his conviction that all religions want peace and cannot do otherwise.”
This is unhistorical fiction.
The Pope’s war against reality is astonishing. This is a warfare with reality worth of the insanest SJWs – and that, in a Pope, is alarming. The consequences of such obstinate wilful denial of facts are very serious. He is letting down not only us Catholics, but many others as well. There is no excuse for such self-delusion.
Rufolino says
His cognitive dissonance is so extreme it looks like psychosis.
Robeaver says
Maybe ordained? A genetic component of belief in the supers: stition/natural and beings.
John Gehrke says
I suggest the Pope and anyone concerned read Spencer’s Infidel’s Guide to the Koran to learn a bit more of what Muslims can really learn and be led to – not comforting to me as a peaceful Christian.
Jaladhi says
I think Pope reads Cliff Notes on Islam prepared by Muslims and Muslim apologists! He doesn’t read the original Quran – the unadulterated word, murder manual, of allah on how to murder infidels!
mortimer says
MESSAGE FOR POPE FRANCIS:
The Koran’s 164 Jihad Verses: K 002:178-179, 190-191, 193-194, 216-218, 244; 003:121-126, 140-143, 146, 152-158, 165-167,169, 172-173, 195; 004:071-072, 074-077, 084, 089-091, 094-095,100-104; 005:033, 035, 082; 008:001, 005, 007, 009-010, 012, 015-017, 039-048,057-060, 065-075; 009:005, 012-014, 016, 019-020, 024-026, 029,036, 038-039, 041, 044, 052, 073, 081, 083,086, 088, 092, 111, 120, 122-123; 016:110; 022:039, 058, 078; 024:053, 055; 025:052; 029:006, 069; 033:015, 018, 020, 023, 025-027, 050; 042:039; 047:004, 020, 035; 048:015-024; 049:015; 059:002, 005-008, 014; 060:009; 061:004, 011, 013; 063:004; 064:014; 066:009; 073:020; 076:008.
tim gallagher says
Game, set and match Mortimer. All the lazy Pope has to do is read a few choice passages from the murder manual, the Koran. As James says above, the Pope, and others, are on a war against reality. Also all these Muslim terrorists are yelling, “Allahu Akbar”, spelling their motives out clearly for the Pope and everyone else. What Crystal says a bit further down is, of course, true. Islam is peace means only, yeah there will be peace when Islam has taken over and everyone has been either murdered or forced to become Muslim. Maybe that’s the peace this idiotic Pope is talking about. Because Islam is such a major problem, there’s surely no excuse for the world’s leaders not to have read and found out what is in the Koran.
Westman says
Tim, given the past history of inter-sect Muslim war, if everyone was Muslim, there would be world-wide war on the largest scale possible and an annihilation of the Jews that would shame Nazis.
Islam is the religion of pertetual war
Carolyne says
The verses from the Koran which Mortimer lists above must be the ones the Pope-a- Dope means are not being read properly. What would be the proper reading, I wonder.
This man was chosen by the men in red to be pope because of his stance on Islam. Pope Benedict, who made some rather mild criticisms of Islam was deposed. He is lucky he got away with his life. Other popes haven’t when they went against the current teaching of the men in red dresses.
John A. Marre says
He is wrong. He is promoting the spread of Islam throughout the world. He is an invalid pope, and must resign.
James says
Being grossly wrong is not grounds for resignation. Which on balance is a good thing.
PATRICIA FRANCES KOENIG says
Frankenpope was an invalid pope…before he ever opened his mouth. The St. Gallen Group canvassed for votes for Bergoglio which is against Canon Law and results in automatic excommunication. And regarding Pope Benedict XVI’s resignation: The ATM’s in the Vatican had been turned off for a flimsy excuse of a reason…and the ATM;s were turned back on the day after Pope Benedict XVI resigned. I smell a rat!
Crystal says
Koenig: Primary sources for your claims please.
Crystal says
James: Agreed.
Walter Sieruk says
There is in unconfirmed but possibly true report on that was on talk radio the Roman Catholic clerics who compose the Vatican feared when pope Benedict was on the papal chair that he would not work for appeasement with Muslim clerics and Islam so those Roman Catholic clerics in fear of jihadist attacks against the many Roman Catholic Churches, cathedrals , monasteries, nunneries and shrines . Therefore those Roman clerics pressured pope Benedict to leave the papal office and then put the appeasement pope , pope Francis , on the papal chair.
mortimer says
Walter, that sounds about right… they are appeasing the jihadists to save lives. APPEASEMENT DOESN’T WORK. It emboldens the terrorists when they learn there are REWARDS for terrorism!
They want the West to pay them JIZZYA-EXTORTION MONEY.
Do you think the Vatican is paying jizzya to the terrorists?
Walter Sieruk says
To Mortimer, to answer your question which is “Do your think the Vatican is paying jizzya to the terrorists ?” It stands to reason the the Roman Catholic who compose the Vatican have “caved in” out of fear of jihadists bombing and shooting s at Roman Catholic churches ,cathedrals , monasteries, nunneries, and shrines.Therefore they put a truth compromising appeasement pope on the papal chair to replace the strong uncompromising pope Benedict. The clerics who make up the Vatican will never be so honest enough as to admit operating out of fear but still humans is able to feel that that emotion, this includes the clerics of the Vatican. . So out of fear of vicious jihadist attacks places mentioned about the clerics of the Vatican might had been manipulated by the fear of hideous damage to the forces of Islamic terrorism they elected pope Frances to the papal chair . Just maybe ?
James says
Rome is always awash with rumours. It has been so for centuries. Without solid evidence, they are best ignored.
PATRICIA FRANCES KOENIG says
Some rumors make sense…and answer questions that are posed by otherwise strange clerical behavior. There have been, too many times, sinners sitting on the Chair of Peter and under the Cardinal hats. St. Robert Bellarmine, Doctor of the Church, said: “The corridors of Hell are paved with bishops’ miters.”
Robeaver says
There is a “rumour” that his wholynonsense has the same attitude as the previous church in 1932.
There is a “rumour” that priests are pedophiles.
Silly rumours.
gravenimage says
What happened in 1932?
Robeaver says
1932 was the start of hitlers takeover of nazi Germany. During the following ww2, the church made no comments or objections to the Final Solution regarding Jews.
D Austin says
One step left, one step right with the comments and objections would have turned St. Peters into King Benito Mussolini’s palace.
Sherry says
What Quran is the Pope reading? This is so shocking and much worse than the Pope who patronized the Nazis during WWII !!!! Heartbreaking to say the least.
Jaladhi says
Lets say he is not in the tradition of Pope Urban without whom the Christian world would have become Muslim world and there would be more mayhem in the world!
gravenimage says
Very true, Jaladhi.
James says
To say that the Pope “patronised the Nazis during WW2” is wholly false. They were so “patronised” by him, that they planned to kidnap him. These Soviet slanders – which is all they are – need to be put to rest.
Crystal says
James, correct. All should read the book “Disinformation” by Lt Gen Ion Mihai Pacepa. He was the head of Romania’s version of the KGB, and worked with the KGB. He states quite clearly in his book that this was a KGB plot to discredit not only the Pope, by Catholicism. The claim is without any credibility and is totally false. Take it from a man in a position to know.
Crystal says
edit, scratch “by Catholicism”, replace with “but also Catholicism”
gravenimage says
True, James. One can argue whether the Church should have been more publicly outspoken, but the fact is that a lot of victims of the Nazis were saved through the Catholic Church–including a lot of Jewish people.
PATRICIA FRANCES KOENIG says
The pope did NOT appease the NAZI’s during WWII. Pope Pius XII had all the German bishops order all their parish priests to read an anti-NAZI Encyclical – written in German – at every Mass on a Sunday. Result? Vicious NAZI reprisals, i.e. more innocent Germans dragged from their homes and shot. So Pope Pius XII realized that denunciations only work on someone with a conscience…not on the NAZI’s. Additionally, Pope Pius XII ordered all the convents and monasteries in Rome (his diocese) to hide all the Jews they could possibly fit into their buildings. (risking their own safety) And Pope Pius XII personally hid the Chief Rabbi of Rome in his own papal apartments. The Chief Rabbi of Rome became Catholic after World War II. He thought Pope Pius XII had gone over and above the call of duty for the Jews. So the slander against Pope Pius XII is a total lie; total nonsense. Anti-pope Francis, however, is evil and dishonest. He was not validly elected and he is not even Catholic….just read what he writes.
Wellington says
Seconded, PFK, about Pius XII, who is quite arguably the most underrated major public figure of the 20th century (Mahatma Gandhi would get my vote for the most overrated). He saved more Jews than any person in history, some 800,000. And I write this to you as one who is not religious in the least but who values truth and facts—–the “sine qua non stuff” of accurate history.
As for Francis I, who is a monumental fool no doubt and for whom I have no regard, I have no evidence this fool of a Pope was not validly elected. What is your evidence for your claim that he was not validly elected? I know of none, profoundly unfortunate though his selection by the College of Cardinals was (and said College has itself become a dismal “outfit” of late).
I might add that I remain suspicious about Benedict XVI’s reason for abdicating, i.e., his health. Yet he is still living four years after his abdication, and one of only some three or four abdications in papal history. Benedict while Pope “got” Islam and said so on many occasions to his great credit.
Hmmm. Wonder if there is a “connection” here.
Joe says
Francis is not canonically elected because Benedict did not resign. Yes, Benedict said that he resigned, but he still wears white around the Vatican (you would be immediately arrested if you tried that), because he says the can’t find other clothes. He also still calls himself pope. And, he refuses to take the “keys of Peter” off his shield.
No one is allowed to do any of those things, except the pope.
There is no office in the RCC call “retired pope”. A bishop can retire, but a pope is like a dad. A pope can’t retire. If the pope resigns, he must move away from the Vatican and no longer call himself pope. He must change his shield.
Benedict has a photographic memory and he knows all the rules as well as anyone alive and probably as well as than anyone in history. He knows he can’t do what he is doing.
Benedict forced an invalid election of a new pope. And every Catholic who knows the rules can see it as plain as day. If that were not enough, Benedict knows all of this without question.
That leave Francis as not canonically elected, but yet, Francis has the authority of Pope.
Don’t feel sorry for Francis; he is not Catholic. On a number of occasions such as the trip back from World Youth Day in Rio, he used his office of Bishop to sew confusion by suggesting that he could not judge gay sex. Francis is not that stupid. A bishop has a moral imperative to speak clearly on the morals of the Church. Francis automatically excommunicates himself on a daily basis. It is, who he is.
He is also officially a heretic of the Church, because he did not answer the open letter from the Cardinals which he must do in a public way.
Make no mistake; the Cardinals know that Francis is a heretic. And they have advised their flocks, in some cases, to be wary of Francis. They have been telling Catholics to follow their Catechism until the Francis problem passes. Catholics have been officially warned to not follow Francis into error.
Wellington says
Joe: My understanding is that Benedict XVI signed a formal letter of abdication and that the College of Cardinals followed all procedures in electing Francis I. What evidence do you have to the contrary? As for Benedict still wearing white (btw, how do you know this?) I don’t think this in and of itself signifies much. There have been a handful of other Popes who have abdicated (I believe “abdication” is the correct word and not “resigned”) and what they wore afterwards I don’t find terribly significant.
As for Francis excommunicating himself daily, I believe this is a canonical impossibility because a formal decree of excommunication can only come from the pontiff as I understand things and so Francis couldn’t excommunicate himself. A couple of other points. I don’t feel sorry for Francis at all. Indeed, I feel contempt for him. And which Cardinals know Francis is a heretic and have advised their flocks not to pay attention to him? You must be more specific here.
Crystal says
Wellington, I agree with you, except for the contempt part.
I feel sad when Pollyanna Catholics think Islam, as written in the Koran and hadiths, is all sunshine and lollipops, instead of the arrogant, haughty, judgemental, violent, murderous, and heretical belief system it is. Sad because they only make Islam stronger. According to the Koran, the believer is to say aloud, praise be Allah, for Allah has confused the unbelievers’ mind making it easier for us (Islamists) to conquer them. And these Pollyannas are certainly confused. Sad.
gravenimage says
True, Patricia and Wellington.
Joe says
Wellington, he may have signed some agreement, but the agreement is not being enforced.
The Catholic Church has never had two popes, unless if you count anti-popes. A pope is a spiritual head. As part of that role, the pope has authority. Benedict gave up some of his authority, but that is all.
He still walks, talks, looks, and acts like a pope. You can’t find the place in the canons that allow for that. Most of the cardinals see that they have been had. But without Francis putting his thumb on the matter, they can’t remove Benedict from office.
Benedict loves the Church. This action is on purpose, but we don’t know the purpose of the action. Yeah, I know he is old and tired. In the first place, that is not a valid excuse, and everyone knows it. In the second place, he didn’t retire. He still carries over 50 percent of papal duties. His actions are in the press all the time. That is how I know he still dresses like a pope.
The Cardinals that put Francis in the heretic column are the ones that signed the letter with the questions. The procedure is from the Bible. The Cardinals noticed that Francis was in error, so they would have privately told him. When that didn’t work, they would have privately met him as a group. When that didn’t move the needle, they wrote the open letter. So the Cardinals who are asking the pope to admit his mistake or else, are the ones who signed the letter. As I remember, there were about 8 of them. I’m sure you can find the letter.
The letter asks Francis to show why he is not in error. Of course, Francis doesn’t have a reason. So he would have to make a public confession. He hasn’t done that, so he is formally a heretic which is no small matter.
There are two types of excommunication. We have formal excommunication which usually has little effect, and we have excommunication by sin. When Francis, as a Bishop, confuses Catholic teaching when he knows better, he automatically excommunicates himself. Francis has a speaking style that constantly twists the words, and he does that with a smile on his face. That type of evil is not likely to be confined to speaking.
I can see how this is confusing to non-Catholics, but we have our laws. Benedict is still acting like a pope with the exception of the authority. He still calls himself a pope. When asked to take the keys off his shield, he said, “I don’t dare.” When asked why he dresses like a pope he said that he didn’t have any other clothes. I’m not making this up. Benedict is still pope in many ways. Those who are close to the Church see it as plain as day. Benedict is a holy person. We don’t know why he is doing this. Francis has the authority of pope, but he wasn’t canonically elected. From all appearances, Francis is not a part of the Church.
D Austin says
“Francis has the authority of pope, but he wasn’t canonically elected.”
St. Francis of Assisi, warned shortly before he died that seven prophetic travails centering on a pope who is labeled a destroyer:
The time is fast approaching in which there will be great trials and afflictions; perplexities and dissensions, both spiritual and temporal, will abound; the charity of many will grow cold, and the malice of the wicked will increase.
The devils will have unusual power, the immaculate purity of our Order, and of others, will be so much obscured that there will be very few Christians who will obey the true Sovereign Pontiff and the Roman Church with loyal hearts and perfect charity. At the time of this tribulation a man, not canonically elected, will be raised to the Pontificate, who, by his cunning, will endeavor to draw many into error and death.
Then scandals will be multiplied, our Order will be divided, and many others will be entirely destroyed, because they will consent to error instead of opposing it.
There will be such diversity of opinions and schisms among the people, the religious and the clergy, that, except those days were shortened, according to the words of the Gospel, even the elect would be led into error, were they not specially guided, amid such great confusion, by the immense mercy of God.
Then our Rule and manner of life will be violently opposed by some, and terrible trials will come upon us. Those who are found faithful will receive the crown of life; but woe to those who, trusting solely in their Order, shall fall into tepidity, for they will not be able to support the temptations permitted for the proving of the elect.
Those who preserve in their fervor and adhere to virtue with love and zeal for the truth, will suffer injuries and, persecutions as rebels and schismatics; for their persecutors, urged on by the evil spirits, will say they are rendering a great service to God by destroying such pestilent men from the face of the earth. but the Lord will be the refuge of the afflicted, and will save all who trust in Him. And in order to be like their Head, [Christ] these, the elect, will act with confidence, and by their death will purchase for themselves eternal life; choosing to obey God rather than man, they will fear nothing, and they will prefer to perish rather than consent to falsehood and perfidy.
Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it under foot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days JESUS CHRIST WILL SEND THEM NOT A TRUE PASTOR, BUT A DESTROYER. St. Francis of Assisi, Works of the Seraphic Father St. Francis Of Assisi, (Washbourne, 1882), 248–250. https://archive.org/details/worksseraphicfa00frangoog
Robeaver says
Yes heartbreaking. That’s the word for treason to Western thought and the human race. He may be Thee anti-christ. Revelation .comes to life. . The End of days.
All good Christians get raptured. (is this where Rap music comes from?).
Angels are head pin dancing to Rap. Evil lurks in hearts. Just men though.
Just pray Islam goes away. That will work as it has done for centuries. In all things.
I am going to hold hands with my priest. Problem solved.
Jaladhi says
Hey, Pope forgot that there is an exception and that is Islam – it wants everything else but peace! There is no peace in Islam and there is no peace where Islam is!
Juhani says
With who Bush met right before he got order from God to attack Iraq?
Answer: Pope, “the authoritative representative of God”
James says
Don’t bother to mention that the Pope condemnec the Iraq War, will you ?
James says
http://www.nytimes.com/2003/01/14/world/threats-responses-vatican-pope-voices-opposition-his-strongest-iraq-war.html
There are many links showing that he condemned it – not just that one.
gravenimage says
True, James.
Besides, while George Bush often expressed respect for the Pope, he is not himself Catholic. The idea that he got his marching orders from Pope John Paul II is just silly.
mortimer says
CALIPH OF ALL ISLAM ABU BAKR AL-BAGHDADI (PhD in Islamic Studies – U. of Baghdad) :
Quote: “Islam was NEVER A RELIGION OF PEACE. Islam is the RELIGION OF FIGHTING.”
… as quoted in “Islamic State releases ‘al-Baghdadi message'”, BBC (14 May 2015)
gravenimage says
True–pious Muslims certainly don’t consider Islam a religion of peace.
Voytek Gagalka says
That is HIS dogma, currently perhaps even more endorsed, believed in, than actual Roman Catholic canonic dogma. It is the result when one, blindly, have tendency to look on other belief system through the glasses of one’s dogmatic belief system. But at least it should be understood so much: Faith is a belief in the absence (or in spite) of evidence. So His Holiness most strongly and ardently believes that Islam is religion of peace and no evidence, EVER, will convince him otherwise. Curse him or prize him: no chance of change coming in that matter.
Robeaver says
Willful insanity is belief in spite of evidence. Insanity is belief with no evidence. Please believe me. Maybe you are a belieber? He believes he may be God. Is elvis still alive? What did your horoscope say about fossils? Is the Pope an old fossil? Has his brain fossilized? Don’t you believe in gods representative on earth? Oh yee of little pope faith. Faith in the Pope is a must!! Ty old idea. (musty). I’m sure you get the joke and actually believe it. Those neo Nazis believe that Hitler was right, despite the evidence. Just another great advertizment for belief. And don’t get us started on those Jews!! Or leftists. Or Bannon. Or……….
gravenimage says
Not every Catholic–or even every pope–has looked at Islam through the prism of Christianity.
thesailor says
I think the Pope’s statement that “religions want peace” is essentially correct, and it puts the spotlight on the fundamental issue with Islam that the West – and this idiotic and dangerous communist posing as a Pope – refuse to face: Islam is not a religion.
Islam is patently a political and militaristic gangster cult that uses the pretence of religion to brainwash its slaves and disarm its enemies so that it can proceed uninterrupted with its raison d’etre, which is to destroy every human on the planet who will not succumb to it.
Not only that, it is a decentralised collective, like an insect colony, with no hierarchical structure that can be dismantled in order to destroy it. All its muslims are brainwashed from birth into serving solely the needs of the organism, not themselves, their fellows or even their families. Insects communicate those needs with pheromones, Islam with ‘prayer’. So when some witless apologist claims an Islamic atrocity has been committed by a deranged “lone wolf” he is spouting ignorant nonsense. An aggressive wasp that stings your child to death is not a “lone wolf”, it is part of a collective organism that threatens your whole family.
Islam can only be crushed by destroying its lines of communication, so that the strident messages of violence and hate do not reach its programmed serfs shambling receptively about in the streets. The cult must be banned outright, the mosques all destroyed, and the Imams all deported. The muslim minions can then simply be left to mill about aimlessly, deprived of instructions, until they die.
Islam, essentially, is the cancer of humanity; it must be ruthlessly cut out if the host is to survive.
Chand says
thesailor says: “So when some witless apologist claims an Islamic atrocity has been committed by a deranged “lone wolf” he is spouting ignorant nonsense. An aggressive wasp that stings your child to death is not a “lone wolf”, it is part of a collective organism that threatens your whole family.”
An aggressive wasp is indeed like a jIhadi animal, an automaton, brainwashed in the urges to kill kaffirs. But are all humans automatons? Education, knowledge and understanding has allowed us to transcend our brain’s animalistic/instinctive/genetically pre-programmed urges. Some have managed to see the light of wisdom while others are trapped in the darkness of their reptilian brains. This is true for all races, religions and groups. Human groups are not analogous to a ‘collective organism’ that is a wasp colony. Individual humans differ greatly compared to the differences among wasps.
Now if individual ‘lone’ wasps from a particular colony repeatedly sting then the nest has to be destroyed, of course. But even then all the wasps will fight, sting and collectively retaliate when their nest is attacked.
Similarly if ALL Muslims are considered equally dangerous when a few rouge animals attack, then they’ll have no choice but to fight, attack and defend themselves. More so if many of them are innocent of any crimes and are enlightened and have transcended their animal urges with varying degrees of success. No one is guilty of any crime committed by anyone else, even the guilty is his/her own mother, father, sibling, child, co-religionist, from one’s own country, tribe, sub tribe, etc.
If there is a nest of basically peaceful wasps but a minority is rouge and they attack, the best policy would be to watch the nest, identify the rouge ones and prevent them from attacking. Attacking the nest of mostly peaceful wasps could be counter productive. They might all turn into killer wasps.
I agree that all the dangers are present in the Koran. But it was written fourteen centuries ago in Arabia, in the dark ages, during war time. Nothing could be more irrelevant for today’s world.
But many Muslims are themselves rejecting it, criticizing it and have done so in the past too. Muslims themselves are going through hell fighting these Fascist Jihadis everywhere……..Afghanistan, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Iraq, Syria, Yemen, Libya, Philippines, Malaysia, etc.
E.g. the Syrian Kurds from the YPG/YPJ units are basically atheists who have completely rejected Islam but are Sunni Muslims themselves. They are the greatest threat to Daesh. Their female fighters strike terror into the so-called holy warriors. How come these ‘Muslim’ Kurdish soldiers are not brainwashed in the Koran and have rejected Daesh? That’s because religion is not a monolithic object. Similarly Islam varies from region to region, depending on ethnicity, language, local cultures and customs, what religion existed there before Islam, economic circumstances, etc, etc. The jihadism we face today is basically Arab Fascism.
Some of the enemies of Daesh invoke Allah, Muhammad and the Koran too. It is irrelevant what holy book or prophet one invokes or quotes or follows when committing murder. A crime is a crime. The jihadis can claim to follow Islam but that won’t save them. Even from their fellow muslims. These jihadis ruthlessly kill Muslims too and kill them in far greater numbers than they do non-Muslims.
Thus Daesh is a death cult, for sure. But Islam is not a cult. But it has potential to spawn such cults, depending on circumstances and local socio-politico-economic conditions.
Also, “The cult must be banned outright, the mosques all destroyed, and the Imams all deported.”
Sorry, don’t think that’ll happen unless ALL religions are ‘banned’ and that won’t happen either.
Are all Muslims Jihadis? One might say that all Muslims are POTENTIAL jihadis. But having an intent in the head cannot be a crime unless one has committed a criminal act or there is evidence that one is about to.
gravenimage says
Chand wrote:
An aggressive wasp is indeed like a jIhadi animal, an automaton, brainwashed in the urges to kill kaffirs. But are all humans automatons? Education, knowledge and understanding has allowed us to transcend our brain’s animalistic/instinctive/genetically pre-programmed urges. Some have managed to see the light of wisdom while others are trapped in the darkness of their reptilian brains. This is true for all races, religions and groups
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Of course, this has nothing to do with “animalistic/instinctive/genetically pre-programmed urges”–instead, this has to with what Islam *teaches*.
The idea that embracing a violent creed makes *no difference* in whether an individual is apt to be violent is, of course, absurd.
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Similarly if ALL Muslims are considered equally dangerous when a few rouge (sic) animals attack
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The idea that if a Muslim who is taught to attack Infidels attacks Infidels then he is just some sort of random “rouge” is ridiculous.
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…then they’ll have no choice but to fight, attack and defend themselves. More so if many of them are innocent of any crimes and are enlightened and have transcended their animal urges with varying degrees of success.
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Look at what Chand is positing–that if Infidels so much as suspect Muslims of being violent Jihadists, that this gives them the right to attack us. In other words, if we think that Muslims might be violent Jihadists, then it is *our fault* if Muslims become violent Jihadists.
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No one is guilty of any crime committed by anyone else, even the guilty is his/her own mother, father, sibling, child, co-religionist, from one’s own country, tribe, sub tribe, etc.
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Of course, no one here is claiming that they are.
But to pretend–as Chand is doing–that those who follow a creed that teaches violence against unbelievers are no more likely to become violent to unbelievers than anyone else is obviously ridiculous.
This would be like saying that Nazis were no more likely to invade their neighbors or to commit genocide against the Jews than anyone else.
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If there is a nest of basically peaceful wasps but a minority is rouge (sic) and they attack, the best policy would be to watch the nest, identify the rouge ones and prevent them from attacking. Attacking the nest of mostly peaceful wasps could be counter productive. They might all turn into killer wasps.
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More claiming that it is “filthy Infidels” who are responsible for violent Jihad…
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I agree that all the dangers are present in the Koran. But it was written fourteen centuries ago in Arabia, in the dark ages, during war time. Nothing could be more irrelevant for today’s world.
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Uh…right. Except that no devout Muslims reject it.
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But many Muslims are themselves rejecting it, criticizing it and have done so in the past too. Muslims themselves are going through hell fighting these Fascist Jihadis everywhere……..Afghanistan, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Iraq, Syria, Yemen, Libya, Philippines, Malaysia, etc.
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Right…never mind that support for these Jihadists is very high.
And most of the countries Chand cites as being opposed to Islam are actually Shari’ah states–save for the Philippines, which is an Infidel country–did he think we would not notice that?
Afghanistan has stonings on the books, Pakistan imprisons women for crimes of “Zina”, has “blasphemy” laws, and violently oppresses religious minorities. Bangladesh oppresses Atheists. I could go on–does Chand want to pretend that any of this barbarism opposes Islam?
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E.g. the Syrian Kurds from the YPG/YPJ units are basically atheists who have completely rejected Islam but are Sunni Muslims themselves. They are the greatest threat to Daesh. Their female fighters strike terror into the so-called holy warriors. How come these ‘Muslim’ Kurdish soldiers are not brainwashed in the Koran and have rejected Daesh? That’s because religion is not a monolithic object. Similarly Islam varies from region to region, depending on ethnicity, language, local cultures and customs, what religion existed there before Islam, economic circumstances, etc, etc. The jihadism we face today is basically Arab Fascism.
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What claptrap. Are Arab Christians fascists? Is Iran, which is threatening to wipe Israel off the map, Arab? Is Somalia, which stones women to death, Arab? Is Sudan, which enslaves Infidels, Arab? Is Pakistan, which is systematically oppressing non-Muslims, Arab?
Of course not–this has nothing to do with race–this is about Islam.
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Some of the enemies of Daesh invoke Allah, Muhammad and the Koran too. It is irrelevant what holy book or prophet one invokes or quotes or follows when committing murder. A crime is a crime. The jihadis can claim to follow Islam but that won’t save them. Even from their fellow muslims.
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The idea that it does not matter what is inspiring this savagery is ludicrous. This is like trying to fight Fascism without being able to name Nazis.
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These jihadis ruthlessly kill Muslims too and kill them in far greater numbers than they do non-Muslims.
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We’ve heard *this* before–that since Islam enjoins its pious followers to kill lax or other sect Muslims, that Muslims cannot be criticized for murdering in its name.
What idiocy. Muslims killing their own people does not somehow make them less dangerous to others.
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Thus Daesh is a death cult, for sure. But Islam is not a cult. But it has potential to spawn such cults, depending on circumstances and local socio-politico-economic conditions.
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The idea that Daesh is the only problem is, of course, absurd. There are thousands of Islamic groups, including Al Qaida, Boko Haram, the Taliban, Al Shebaab, on and on–and they are all on the basis of Islam itself.
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Also, “The cult must be banned outright, the mosques all destroyed, and the Imams all deported.”
Sorry, don’t think that’ll happen unless ALL religions are ‘banned’ and that won’t happen either.
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The idea that Christianity, Hinduism, Judaism, and Buddhism all teach the oppression and slaughter of unbelievers is, of course, utter calumny.
But we’ve heard this sort of rot from Chand before, and I’m sure we will again.
Chand says
gravenimage says: “What claptrap. Are Arab Christians fascists? Is Iran, which is threatening to wipe Israel off the map, Arab? Is Somalia, which stones women to death, Arab? Is Sudan, which enslaves Infidels, Arab? Is Pakistan, which is systematically oppressing non-Muslims, Arab?
Of course not–this has nothing to do with race–this is about Islam.”
By Arab Fascism I meant the Arabian content of Islam itself. It was born and evolved in Arabia and it seeks to impose Arabian culture, or its perverted and mutated forms, all over with force. I meant it’s language, it’s symbols, it’s culture, it’s dress habits, it’s customs, etc. Arabian culture is also foreign to non-Arab ethnic groups who happen to be Muslims today, whether it happened by force or by non violent conversions to Islam.
All these Jihadi groups like Al Shabab in Somalia or the Pakistani jihadis are totally committed to the ultimate domination of the world through a forcible imposition of something they call Islam, but which is actually the Arab culture and customs that existed fourteen hundred years ago in what is Saudi Arabia today.
They dream of reverting back to that utopia that was some illusory Islamic Caliphate then, having all the embellishments of the then prevalent Arabian culture. Their flags, with Arabic calligraphy, although they happen to be Bengalis, Pakistanis with their ingenious Harrapan and Indus Valley civilizations or Iranians with their pre-existing Zororastrian and Persian civilizations, along with their deification of holy sites in Arabia; their idolatrous worship of the Kabaa and of Muhammad and the book written in Arabic, etc, all portray the Arabization that is being attempted.
Muslims greet each other with ‘Salaam Aaleikum’ all over, using Arabic.
Even the jihadis and fundamentalists revere and claim to follow Islamic warriors who are mainly Arab, e.g. Salahuddin.
That is why this Jihadism is termed Fascism as it has parallels to the attempts at Germanization of non-German races under Hitler’s Nazism. Hitler and the Nazis too extolled the gallantry of the Teutonic Knights of the Germanic race while subduing and brutalizing non-Germans.
Chand says
gravenimage says: “Uh…right. Except that no devout Muslims reject it (the Koran).”
What do you mean by ‘devout Muslims’? Who on earth is a devout Muslim? Only those who pick out the passages on attacking ‘kaffirs’ and literally follow it? What about the countless others who too claim to revere the Koran and yet neglect or are unimpressed by these passages and lead normal human lives like all others? Are they too to be condemned for just being born into a particular religion or community and all their struggles to lead normal human lives in this brutal, unforgiving world to go completely unrecognized and uncelebrated? Most Muslims too face all the travails and painful arrows of existence.
Donald R Laster Jr says
They are sleeper cells waiting to be activated. They are simply letting engage in the violence while they lie to others to help obscure what Islam requires. Remember, deception is part of Islam as is the violence.
Robeaver says
Mostly wrong. Islam is indeed a religion, just not your religion. It is indeed a cancer. But then the Pope is a cancer, and not your pope. Your local priest is a nice man, and not a cancer like a lot of bummers out there. Around 5-11 year old bums I see by the newspapers.
Religion just may be THE problem.
As evidence : what do those terrorists shout out loud.? What phrase is it? What belief system does it expouse? Oh, just not yours. I see now.
gravenimage says
Robeaver wrote:
Religion just may be THE problem.
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This does not explain all the Agnostics and Atheists who are dhimmis just as religious people are–are you fine with this?
And do you *really* think that think that Christianity, Hinduism, Judaism, and Buddhism demand that their followers slaughter unbelievers just as Islam does?
And do you have a problem with Communists and Fascists, who butchered millions, but not in the name of religion?
There are definitely good and decent Agnostics and Atheists–but pretending that all religions are alike and that they are the only sources of evil is absurd.
Crystal says
The Pope is correct when he says that Islam wants peace, that the aim is peace. However, the devil is in the details (as always). The Koran and hadiths tell us that there will be peace once every non-believer is murdered (it euphemistically says “killed) or submits to a punishing tax and conforms to Islamic law. This is the “peace” every murderous dictator pledges to give. Nothing honorable here. Hitler, Lenin, and Stalin said as much.
While I’m on the subject, and since I watched a movie yesterday where this line was mentioned at the end, these same naive people will spout: “In Islam it says that if you kill an innocent man, then the whole world is killed.” Once again, the devil is in the details. It begs the question, who is innocent? Well, the Koran and hadiths tell us the non-believers, infidels, kafirs, are not innocent; and they therefore deserve death by the sword, that is, deserve to be murdered.
Of course, they will object to the use of the word murdered, but then they have a different dictionary and different meanings than we do. One must be on guard at all times for this deception. Take nothing they say at face value. You need a paradigm shift in your thinking when it comes to Islam.
It’s disappointing that the Pope is so clueless, so wrong on the subject. It makes me question his judgement on other things not related to Islam, sad to say.
tim gallagher says
Good comments, Crystal. This Islam is peaceful nonsense surely only means once Islam has conquered and every non-Muslim has been either forced to become Muslim or murdered, then there will be peace. Also, I’ve heard that nonsense about how killing an “innocent” person is not allowed in Islam before, and I’ve instantly thought, well, obviously, Muslims would consider non-Muslims as not “innocent” at all and thus, it would be open season for killing non-Muslims. And it obviously is always open season to murder non-Muslims because Muslim terrorists are continually murdering us. It depends on how they define things. To Muslims, only other Muslims could be “innocent” people. And, of course, Muslims do lie to non-Muslims all the time anyway.
Crystal says
Tim, correct, with one caveat. Certain :”Muslims” {whatever a muslim is) are not innocent to these murderers either. That is, the “Muslim,” or more accurately, the Islamist who by behavior, speech, or word does not truly believe in the teachings of Mohammad must also be killed. They are apostates, the worst sort of unbeliever, a kind of traitor to Allah who must be exterminated. Nevertheless, it all boils down to what the Koran and hadiths say about who is “innocent” and who is “guilty,” and not what the Western mind thinks innocent and guilty mean.
I also try to avoid the vague term “Muslim.” The left treats that word as if it were a race. Of course, Islam is not a race, it is an idea, a collection of ideas, a belief system independent of race. For example, Iran is not arabic, but caucasian, yet Islamic.
Donald R Laster Jr says
Islam is a theocracy. It is a government. That is why I use the term Islamic. It corresponds to words such as French, British, Chinese, Vietnamese, Canadians. and so on.
Mockingjay says
Well pope Francis – maybe if you count the desire to have heavenly sex with eternal virgins – and boys – in Paradise as “desiring peace” – then yes, I guess that in that case you could say islam’s ultimate desire is “peace”…
Carolyne says
Yesterday I saw a video of the President and Mrs. Trump some time ago visiting the Pope. Mockingjay’s comment made me think of something I saw in the video. It is apparently the custom, that when in the presence of the Pope, women must cover their hair. Mrs. Trump had on a lovely black hat with a veil.
Since the reason that Muslim women cover their hair is that the mere glimpse of female hair might send a Muslim male into a sexual frenzy. Why is it the custom for women to cover their hair for the Pope?
Throughout human history men have controlled what women wear in order to control them. Until quite recently, Roman Catholic women covered their hair when entering a church. Orthodox Jewish women shave their heads and wear wigs. What is it with religion and women’s hair anyway?
Donald R Laster Jr says
It has to do with modesty.
Sam says
This idiot POPE in this case is RIGHT, Religions demand peace so ISLAM can not be a religion.
Jack Holan says
Pope Francis ignores the Grand Mufti of Saudi Arabia’s edict a couple of years ago to. Burn and destroy all places of worship non-Islamic in the Kigdom. This is a true Religion of Peace.
Pope Francis has only one option, admit to the Papacy Coup, resign and restore Pope Benedict to the thrown.since he is the Pope who will be able to handle this emergency.
bill says
Francis IS the teaching of the Roman Church. Catholics like to promote their historical and spuritual hegemony, then when the Pope ir the Bishops demand open borders or the inclusion of the violent, polygamous, authoritarian, pedophilic, hair-triggered political ideology called Islam as a force for civility and godliness then all ofca sudden the Roman faithful become reformers and oppose the errantly called rock (the Rock is Christ not the pope)
Joe says
The teaching of the Catholic Church is the dogma, tradition, and the Bible. Dogma can never be violated.
The pope is the Vicar of Christ, but clearly no informed Catholic would believe that the Pope “is” the teaching of the Church. Popes are not perfect, but “revealed Truth” such as dogma and obvious derivatives is perfect.
By Catholic law, Francis is a heretic. The Cardinals sent him a public letter which he must publicly answer. Francis didn’t answer.
Francis is not Catholic, since he automatically excommunicates himself on a daily basis.
Crystal says
Joe, your first two paragraphs are correct, the last two are speculative. Just want to clarify that for those readers who are not Catholic and have no understanding of Catholic catechism (i.e., teachings). And, yes, certain Cardinals have requested clarification on a certain aspect of communion, and have received none *so far*. Key words: so far.
Joe says
I agree, with what you are saying, but the “speculation” on the moral imperative that a Bishop be as clear as possible on Catholic morals is set in stone. The speculation as to whether he has done that with phrases like “who am I to judge” on gay sex isn’t much of a leap. And if you follow Francis closely, you will find it is not an aberration. I’m sure he knows better.
As far as the letter goes, how long are you going to give him? And, he never said that he intends to answer it.
Crystal says
Joe, how long am I going to give him? I guess until his reign is up, the race is finished, when the fruit is either on the tree or not. Also, we should be careful when using quotes derived from AP, Reuters, the MSM, etc. I’d rather see the unabridged, unedited version first. I don’t trust a (agnostic/athiestic) press to get the context correct. They have an interest in twisting meanings to their advantage.
bill says
You are no different than Luther. You have decided that Francis is a heretic. Well, well. It is amazing that the pope and the bishops uphold the truth of God Almighty, yet do not have to be adhered to by the Catholic faithful on matters of tempiral significance.
Donald R Laster Jr says
He is refusing to look at what Islam actually is and what its laws require. The Qur’an is not in the order written but is specifically ordered from longest to shortest. That may be intended to aid in the deception Islam uses to confuse people about what it promotes. If one looks at the Qur’an based upon the order it is written all of the “friendly” stuff is replaced by the “hostile” stuff. When Mohammad’s lies were rejected he changed from being friendly to violence and destruction. The things written later replaces that written earlier. This Pope should no this but appears to be ignoring it. Islam has 1400 years of what it promotes as a clear example.
gravenimage says
Bill, not all Catholics agree with everything the Pope says. Robert Spencer is a devout Catholic, and he does not agree with this dhimmitude.
underbed cat says
I have to agree with Pope Francis on his statement, “Religions can not want anything other than peace.” So the conclusion for me is that Islam is not a religion. (Although they talk about peace, but their peace is only when the whole world is Islamic and the prescribed method in the Quran is kinetic warfare fighting to achieve their goal which has not changed in 1400 years and is brutal.)
But he flipped when he made the statement that the ‘authentic Islam and the proper reading of the Quran are opposed to every form of violence.” If that were the case Isis would not carry the Quran, the previous leader of Isis would not have been a Islamic scholar, but he’s the Pope and is not one to desire conflict, since if he said what was true, about the doctrine there would be cries of slander, he would be called racist or an uprising. So Christians can flee from evil, know the truth but not promote the fantasy, but desire peace and defend themselves with information and intolerance to the spread and teaching.
Guest says
You know the Aztecs religion demanded sacrifices or there would be no rain.
Lydia says
This is all part of his ‘common core’ of religions that is supposedly all roses and ponies, kittens and snowflakes. Molded into the one world religion under him.
All the religions contradict.
Islam wants to conquer the world and take over by blood shed. Just read the quran.
Others seek a form of enlightenment that leads to a dead end.
Others seek self satisfaction in various forms.
Pagan and heathen religions involved human sacrifice to the demons.
Then there is witchcraft, satanism, occult, atheism, etc. all of which are belief systems.
They sacrifice to evil powers to gain power, territory, wealth, fame (it all comes down to greed, ego (me first at your expense, power and fame), and lust as the root of all sin).
The list goes on.
Christianity has as it’s core the salvation of your soul so you can live for eternity with God in heaven,
you first need to repent and receive Christ’s atonement and believe the gospel.
Of course there is love, peace, forgiveness, etc. and these come as fruits of the Holy Spirit as a result of conversion.
But as it says;
NO JESUS, NO PEACE
KNOW JESUS, KNOW PEACE
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JDow says
Gee, one could easily believe he managed to sneak in a zinger here. Did he just say Islam is an ideology rather than a religion?
{^_^}
Christopher Henson says
And yet, a leading imam in Indonesia says orthodox Islam and violence are indeed linked and related. But the Pope knows Islam better than one of its leading imams?
“In Interview, Top Indonesian Muslim Scholar Says Stop Pretending That Orthodox Islam and Violence Aren’t Linked”
http://time.com/4930742/islam-terrorism-islamophobia-violence/
concerned citizen says
For us Catholics the Pope is infallible only when he speaks under certain conditions (i.e. “ex cathedra”, from the chair of St Peter, officialy) and about specified sublects (Faith or Moral).What this Pope says about tIslam, of course, is his own opinion, as an individual , and it is WRONG. Islam is an evil ideology, much more than it is a religion. It is a pity there are others who share , or say they share, his opinion.. God helps us! May the next Pope be wiser!
Crystal says
citizen: I miss St Pope John Paul II. Him I think I understood, but this Pope, not so much. He certainly seems to not be clear on whether adulterers can receive communion, despite Bishops asking for clarification. To expand on what you said, which is accurate, even when the Pope is *not* speaking ex-cathedra, the faithful are to not automatically dispense with what he says, but should carefully consider it before dismissing it. I have spent nearly 50 years studying Islam, so I think I can form an educated opinion about his statement on Islam. So I am saying I have carefully considered his comments on Islam. He is wrong on this subject. I have given my reasons elsewhere in this comment section; no need to duplicate them here. I pray that he gets other advisors who are actually knowledgeable on the subject, and not deceivers. There is so much blindness today, it’s nearly universal.
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Crystal says
I should add that by “adulterers” I mean those who have remarried without an annulment, and their first wife is still living.
concerned citizec says
Please correct : Islam. not tIslam; subjects, not sublets; officially, not officialy. Thank you !
A European says
Pope Francis is like Neville Chamberlain, a ludicrous appeaser, a useful idiot to Muslims who are determined to subvert western civilazation.
Crystal says
European, I’m not sure what his motives are, but he is certainly wrong about this. How someone can read the Koran and hadiths, then think it is all about sunshine and lollipops is beyond my understanding. He is not alone, unfortunately, for a lot of priests and bishops in my country are also thinking like him. I don’t know what has made them so blind, but they are blind.
Gordon Miller says
The only explanation as to why so many “great” leaders and even intellectuals are acting so irrationally [with respect to Islam] is that some being or entity unknown to us has cast a spell which has flowed heinously across the earth and entered the souls of its people.
steve says
Dope Francis should actually READ the koran……He is a small man in an important job….to Catholics…apparently…
Crystal says
steve, you know I have asked priest and fellow Catholics to read the Koran. Guess what they say to me.
“Oh, I’ve read it.” I say nothing in response, because they couldn’t have possibly read the same book I read many times, yes many, many times. They probably think they have won the argument when I don’t respond, but what type of argument could I offer to change their minds, when they are so set in their beliefs. Sad, very sad. In any case, I dare to think that I don’t believe them.
Ainty Podes says
This pontifying clown must be blind to the facts, ignorant of what Islam stands for and a head-burying ostrich.
But when he says that all religions aim at peace, he is on the ball regarding Islam. Islam stands for peace
O N T H E I R T E R M S
and will not be satisfied until they have the whole world “peacefully” subjected to Islamic domination and rule.
FYI says
“Every religion wants peace”
Except islam.
The islamic god allah is incompatible with the Christian concept of God..
1)allah cannot,for the life of him, understand the theological concept of the Trinity.
koran 5 v 73 {pickthall translation}
God can figure it out (but not allah!)
2)allah denies Christ
koran 5 v 72
koran 4 v157
3)allah doesn’t want muslims to be friends with Jews or Christians
koran 5 v 51{“Take not the Jews and Christians for friends”}
4)allah COMPLETELY missed the Two Chief Commandments.
{“Teacher” he asked,”which is the greatest commandment in the Law”
Jesus answered “love the lord your God with all your heart,with all your soul and with all your mind”.This is the GREATEST AND MOST IMPORTANT COMMANDMENT.
The second most important commandment is like it”love your neighbor as you love yourself”
The WHOLE LAW OF MOSES AND THE TEACHINGS OF THE PROPHETS depend on these Two chief commandments”
MATTHEW 22 V 36-40}
So the whole Law of God depends upon the acceptance of these essential Two Chief commandments..which(hilariously)…allah in his koran and mohammed in his life of a “prophet”…COMPLETELY MISSED.
We see these Two Chief Laws missing in islam/the koran/the life of the most incredibly perfect man that ever lived,muhammed.
That might explain why muslims rejoice when catastrophe falls on “infidels”;they have no empathy and neither they nor their god allah subscribe to the Two Commandments of God.
francis would have us believe that allah is the same as the Christian but it is quite clear that this is not so.One would expect francis to know that.
allah’s inability to understand a)the theology of the Trinity,b)the role of the Jews and c)Jesus Christ is just laughable in the extreme and the personal venom directed towards the Jews coupled with theological incompetence reveals the HUMAN voice of the koran.
Crystal says
Podes: Actually, the Koran and hadiths say there will be peace in the end (they really do.) However, it occurs after all the unbelievers have been murdered or enslaved (the monotheist unbelievers) under Islamic law and with a punishing tax, if they are allowed to live. This is the promise of all violent dictators; nothing new here. It’s nothing to be proud about.
As for the rest of your comment, I will simply say that Islam is a heresy. For those Christians who don’t think so, read the Koran for yourself. After all, heresy only means disagreeing with the teachings (and traditions) of Christ.
utis says
My question is: Is Bergolio an anti-pope? If Benedict is still pope, then there are two popes. My Catholicism is rusty, but I thought 1 pope + 1 pope = 1 pope and 1 anti-pope. The old anti-popes used to hang out in foreign countries, like France, but 2 popes in the Vatican?
Crystal says
Anti-pope is not a Catholic concept as understood by some Protestants. In Catholicism, anti-pope would just be another name for Satan, just as would “anti-Christ”, for is this not one of the attributes of Satan?
No one knows what is in anyone’s heart, so I don’t know why the Pope says what he says, but he is clearly is wrong on this subject. Why? I don’t know. Only God and Francis know.
utis says
Sorry, but Catholics have chance of understanding my reference if they’re still being trained minimally in youth. For non-Catholics readers, there was a period in the Middle Ages when more than one pope was asserting right to the Church (i.e. Catholics) top spot. As I was taught, there was only one true pope; there was the inevitable fitna over who was the “real” pope. I’m not an expert on this period, but the way it was taught to me was that the authentic pope was kept in Avignon, France. There was more than one who was the French king’s virtual prisoner. All other men claiming the papacy were imposters. Real scholars could go to town on the details of this topic.
My original question was, how are the two current popes legit? I didn’t read up on this when Bergolio got elected, so I don’t know if it was explained then. An anti-pope’s pronouncements on anything would not have to be regarded by a practicing Catholic. Sorry for being obscure for the rest of the readership.
gravenimage says
Pope Francis on 9/11 anniversary: Religions “cannot desire anything other than peace”
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Really? The sacrificing your own children to Baal or waging war to capture victims for human sacrifice as the Aztecs did was “peaceful”?
Islam is no more peaceful than these two vicious creeds.
Wellington says
The largest Christian denomination, Roman Catholicism, has a real problem on its hands, as I know you know, gravenimage. The “real problem” is that the present Pope is a fool, actually a monumental one, a Latin American leftist with all the baggage that invariably entails (and so no wonder Latin America has never been able to get its act together).
The vast majority of Popes have not been fools, but this one is. And talk about bad timing. Few times in papal history has a resolute, wise, informed Pope been more needed than now, not just for the Catholic Church but for all of Western Civilization, for all of humanity for that matter.
Instead we have the debacle which is Francis I. He is a tragedy in the making. He is the wrong man in the wrong place at the wrong time. Damn.
gravenimage says
Yes, Wellington–and it is not just the Catholic Church. There have been high-ranking dhimmis in the Anglican Church, the Lutheran Church, and the Quakers–and most likely in other denominations, as well. Of course, as the leader of the largest Christian denomination, the pope has influence throughout Christianity and beyond.
Like a clueless or complicit American president, this makes resistance to the terrible and growing threat of Islam more difficult for all of us.
Wellington says
The leadership in many Christian sects are failing their flock and society at large. Hard not to conclude they’re just a bunch of dopes. Well educated dopes to be sure, but these kind of dopes are invariably the worst kind. Education + a position of leadership + foolishness = a very bad combo.
Donald R Laster Jr says
The Calvinist concept of the visible and invisible church comes to mind. There are those who claim to be Christian and are not, and those who do not go around claiming they are and are Christian. The two groups overlap but are not the same.
Donald R Laster Jr says
I agree. I suspect he is one of those that helped create “Liberation Theology” which a prior Pope condemned back in the 1980s/1990s.
For those who may not be aware “Liberation Theology” is Marxism with a veneer of Christianity around it. “Black Liberation Theology” which Wright’s “church” promotes/practices is a “Liberation Theology” focused on Blacks. Neither of which are Christian in any way shape or form.
Donald R Laster Jr says
The first thing this Pope needs to learn is that Islam is not a religion but a government, and it has been waging war for 1400 years to force people to worship its god Hubal. Remember, “allah” is not a name but a word that means “the god”. Hubal is the chief god of the Arab pantheon of 360 or so gods and is associated with the moon. And Islam promotes violence against all who are not citizens of its State.
Carolyne says
It puzzles me when the Pope says that a “Proper reading” of the Koran would lead one to believe that Islam is peaceful. Just what is a “Proper reading?” I can read, I can see words, I know their meaning and I deduce from them a certain understanding of what I have read. I think he means that we are not to believe our lying eyes. He knows the truth and the proper reading of the Koran.
If I were to be forced to choose what the koran means, from my reading it or from Gomer Pyle in a dress reading it, I think I choose myself.
D Austin says
Leftists redefine everything. Run the Koran through a leftist translator and you get “peaceful.” The guy is a Marxist Jesuit Liberation Theology shill. His views are how they actually see the world.