This is what a society that has capitulated looks like. UK teachers should teach about 9/11 forthrightly, and explain to their students about the Islamic teachings that motivated it, and the nature and magnitude of the global jihad threat. Instead, they cower in fear of Muslim parents and students. That’s no way to win a war. And they won’t win it.
“Teachers ‘scared’ to teach lessons on 9/11 terror attack,” by Camilla Turner, Telegraph, September 9, 2017:
Some teachers are too scared to discuss 9/11 with their pupils as they fear a backlash from Muslim parents, a leading expert in counter-extremism education has warned.
Kamal Hanif OBE, who was appointed by the Government to turn around three schools at the heart of the “Trojan Horse” scandal, said that some teachers have a “misplaced” concern that they will cause offence if they raise 9/11 in the classroom.
He said that some teachers – particularly those who work in schools with a high proportion of Muslim students – see it as a contentious topic and shy away from teaching it.
“Teachers sometimes have a fear that this might be controversial,” he said.
“[They think] if we teach about this we might get Muslim parents objecting.”
Mr Hanif, who is executive principal of Waverley Education Foundation and has advised the Department for Education (DfE) on combating counter-extremism in schools, said that such views are misguided.
“There is a fear [among teachers] but it is not really grounded in anything,” he said.
“It is based on their stereotypical view of a community as opposed to the reality. It is very misplaced. It is an assumption.”
His comments come ahead of the 16th anniversary of 9/11, which saw 2,997 killed when Al-Qaeda launched a series of coordinated terrorist attacks after hijacking planes and crashing them into the World Trade Centre complex and the Pentagon.
Mr Hanif is a trustee for the educational charity Since 9/11, which provides free teaching resources about the attacks and their aftermath.
The resources, which are endorsed by the Department for Education and the Home Office, are aimed at secondary school children, but the charity is now developing a new set of materials for primary schools.
Sir Steve Lancashire, the chief executive of a multi academy trust which which is piloting the materials in its 55 primary schools, said a lot of teachers feel “uncomfortable” about the legacy of 9/11.
“We need to address the nervousness of teachers to teach this kind of subject. Teacher don’t feel well equipped on facts – there are a lot of conspiracy theories, a lot of misinformation,” he said.
The superhead said teachers are scared that they will be accused by their students of being Islamophobic if they try to teach about 9/11 and its legacy….
Pet Charles says
Thats b***s***!! Its a cop out for lazy people who do not want to work!! 9/11 happened. All they have to do is describe the event and what the perpetrators said was their reason for doing so. Stick to the facts and let others object of they want.
Jayell says
I think some UK teachers have had bad experiences when it comes to upsetting muslims; like, for example, being beaten up in the street by a muslim gang for daring to teach about Islam in a national curriculum R.E. course. This still a cop-out, however.
MSW says
You really are a complete moron, aren’t you? They don’t teach if because they fear, and rightly so, a terrible backlash of muslims raping or killing them, and it has happened.
Keith says
You are talking about teachers who have the same world view as the teachers, social workers, police and others who were responsible for child welfare in towns like Rotherham. Look what happened there, so why would they try to teach anything that puts the chosen minority in a bad light.
John Forbes says
DEAD RIGHT ABOUT THAT & CORBYN BACKS THE VIEWS ! LOOK AT WHAT HAPPENED TO SARAH CHAMPION WHEN SHE TOLD THE TRUTH ! JAYNE SENIOR – WHO BLEW THE WHISTLE ON POLICE & COUNCIL – BEING INVESTIGATED NOW !
NO POLICE COMMANDER OR COUNCIL LEADER HAS FACED EVEN QUESTIONING WITH 27 REFUSING TO APPEAR !
THE DISGRACEFUL UK IN ALL OF ITS GLORY !!
Terry Gain says
The reasons for not teaching the facts of 9/11 underline the importance of teaching them. Let Muslims take offence. And responsibility.
Savvy Kafir says
Let’s offend them until they decide to leave. Let’s make it perfectly clear that Islam is not welcome in the West.
gravenimage says
So true. It is *critical* that as many Infidels as possible learn about the threat of Jihad.
Voytek Gagalka says
I.e., public education system is worse that sham and must be LIQUIDATED! If they can’t teach about history, about objective reality, they are worthless as institutions and waste of time and money, causing irreparable damage in young persons’ minds.
Walter Sieruk says
On September 11,2001 many Muslims rejoiced in different countries around the world then they found about the outcome of those al Qaeda jihad attacks in which so many people died . They were so glad and happy about all those people who died in such terrible ways. The reason they felt so happy with joy is because ,as the Bible explains such people have had “their conscience seared with a hot iron.” First Timothy 4:2. {K.J.V.] For them that “hot iron” is Islam
gravenimage says
Yes–the mass slaughter of innocent Infidels is one of the very few things that makes Muslims really happy.
God, I hate Islam.
John S. Obeda says
I also hate Islam, i.e. the false and horrible teachings in the Qur’an and the Sunnah. And I am beginning to hate our leaders too who refuse to warn us about Islam. This Scripture reading was read yesterday in church: “Son of man I have made you a watchman for the house of Israel, so hear the word I speak and give them warning from me. When I say to the wicked ‘O wicked man, you will surely die,’ and you do not speak out to dissuade him from his way, that wicked man will die for his sin, and I will hold you accountable for his blood. etc” (Ezekiel 33:7f.).. . . God help us.
Walter Sieruk says
Don’t let them fool you, the many apologists for Islam is will endeavor to set up a smokescreen to hide the reality of the truth about the violence and deadly essence of Islam by making the bogus claim that the al Qaeda operatives mass murderer on 9/11 were not real Muslims and that they were breaking the laws of the Qu ‘ran by their violence and deadly actions.” The apologists for Islam will further make the totally false claim that “Those terrorists on 9/11 were only criminals who hijacked the peaceful religion of Islam for Politics.” Those outrageously false claims are weak attempt of damage control for the image of Islam to the West. For the “holy book” of Islam the Qu ‘ran. For the Qu ‘ran instruct in Sura 9:111. Muslims who are engaging the jihad that “The believer’s fight in Allah’s Cause, they slay and are slain ,they kill and are killed “ That’s just what happened on September 11, 2001 the jihadists of al Qaeda “killed and were killed” in those 9/11 jihad attacks against both humankind and America. The Quran also teaches in Sura 9:123 to that jihad –minded Muslims behavior towards non-Muslims “let them find harshness in you…” Those Islamic attacks on 9/11 were indeed very “harsh.” As Sura 2:191 instructs “kill the disbeliever wherever you find them.” That’s a very strange kind of “peaceful religion” if there ever was one. Just to site one more out on many from the Qu ‘ran about the instruction of deadly violence is Sura 47:4. Which instructs “Whenever you encounter unbelievers strike off their heads until you make a great slaughter among them …” Let’s face it, using jet planes a missiles as those jihadist/ Muslims did of September 11, sure made a greater “slaughter among them” then sword can. Wake up West to the actual nature of Islam before it’s too late.
Walter Sieruk says
On the day of September 9 2016 some man I know who works as a security guard at a public place told me a Muslim actually had the nerve to walk over to him and said to him two Muslim “Jokes” about 9/11. As if it was a funny subject. It’s wrong to even try to “joke” about 9/11. Talk about bad “jokes” those two are the very much worst of all. The first was “What is the difference between September 11, 20001 and a cow?” answer “You don’t keep milking a cow after fifteen years.” Not only is that “joke” awful but those Muslims trying to be funny by say that cruel thing do have some gall because they have no room to talk . For they are still are “milking” the topic of the crusades and the crusades have been over for well more than seven hundred years. What gall they have! The second “Muslim “joke” about 9/11 is “On September 11, 2001 the people trapped on the upper floors of the WTC had ordered their pizza sent to them plane.” To say that such “humor” is terrible is an understatement. Furthermore, those Muslim who say those “jokes” are really only exposing their own sick, vicious, callous and heartless Islamic mindset.”
Steve's nephew says
If you don’t fight back against the Muslims when their numbers are small, you won’t have any chance at all of resisting them when the Muslim population numbers are larger.
Positive role models: Japan, China, Philippines, Myanmar, Hungary, Czech Republic, Poland, and a few others.
gravenimage says
Steve’s nephew, I agree with most of your list of countries, but The Philippines is very problematic. Duterte is friends with many Jihad group leaders, and has done little to take back Marawi City, captured by ISIS months ago.
Marawi City was *already* under Shari’ah law. I’m afraid The Philippines is not the bulwark of resistance to Islam that some hope.
Walter Sieruk says
About September 11, 2001. As for the jihadists of that brutal and deadly Islamic terror entity ,Al Qaeda, they were Muslims who had a strong and firm but blind and unquestioning conviction in Islam with all its murderous violence of its jihad. to explain this further Many times the jihadist members of different Islamic terror entities, as those of al Qaeda, have gathered together and chanted the words “We love death, they love life.” Likewise those jihadist/Muslims don’t stop with those awful words; they carry through with jihad suicide/homicide attacks. Any sane person would ask “Why do those jihad –minded Muslims have such a mindset of murderous madness?” The answer is that they obtain the way of thinking and believing from the “holy book” of Islam, the Koran. As some people call it the Qu ‘ran. For example the Koran in Sura 9:111 instructs “The believers fight in Allah’s Cause, they slay and are slain, they kill and are killed.” Therefore it may be conclude that Islam is actually a death cult. In great and wonderful contrast to the death cult which is Islam there is Christianity which is centered on Jesus and His teachings. For Jesus did not teach killing and death but taught and gave life, a good peaceful well lived life and more. For example Jesus declared “I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly.” John 10:10. [K.J.V.]
Mr. Smith says
Just a few thoughts from a real patriot…tomorrow is the so-called Patriot Day marking the 16th Anniversary of 9/11…attacks that murdered 2,997 people, injured over 6,000 others, and caused at least $10 billion in infrastructure and property damage.
Isn’t it ironic that the same U.S. government quislings who orchestrated, aided, abetted, and facilitated the Muslim jihadists who attacked us on 9/11 are the same traitors who created this “holiday” called Patriot Day!?!?
Overwhelming evidence establishes, beyond a reasonable doubt, that the 9/11 attacks was a pretext by our own government to justify and create an enhanced police state against the American people in the form of the USA Patriot Act. The cover-up at the highest levels continues to this day.
“Patriot Day” and “USA Patriot Act,” misnomers if there ever were! What did “patriotism” have to do with the 9/11 conspiracy or creating a police state?
https://www.worldaffairsbrief.com/keytopics/9-11compilation2005.html
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patriot_Day
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patriot_Act
gravenimage says
More from the vile “Mr. Smith”:
Just a few thoughts from a real patriot…tomorrow is the so-called Patriot Day marking the 16th Anniversary of 9/11…attacks that murdered 2,997 people, injured over 6,000 others, and caused at least $10 billion in infrastructure and property damage.
Isn’t it ironic that the same U.S. government quislings who orchestrated, aided, abetted, and facilitated the Muslim jihadists who attacked us on 9/11 are the same traitors who created this “holiday” called Patriot Day!?!?
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Ah, yes–a “real American patriot” who falsely blames this savagery on his own people, rather than on Jihadists. The story he linked to several times, and reposts below, implies that Americans *deserved* to be slaughtered by Muslims for supporting Israel–while, bizarrely but not surprisingly, also absolving Muslims of 9/11.
Who needs consistent logic when you have hatred of the free West?
More:
Overwhelming evidence establishes, beyond a reasonable doubt, that the 9/11 attacks was a pretext by our own government to justify and create an enhanced police state against the American people in the form of the USA Patriot Act. The cover-up at the highest levels continues to this day.
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Right–9/11 had nothing to do with Jihad–ignore those 31,000+ *other* Jihad terror attacks *since* 9/11. It had to do with bad ol’ George Bush wanting to create the TSA and annoy people checking in at airports…sarc/off
More:
“Patriot Day” and “USA Patriot Act,” misnomers if there ever were! What did “patriotism” have to do with the 9/11 conspiracy or creating a police state?
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What does patriotism have to do with resisting Islam conquering us? Nothing, according to “Mr. Smith”. **Ugh**.
Mr. Smith says
Triggered…eh!!! Quick on the ad hominem attack too!! Touchy, touchy!! Why don’t you go run to your safe space in the corner and suck your thumb and cool down…take a break and calm downl…have some milk and cookies, then lay down and take a nappy!
It is clear that all you have done in your responses to me posts is cherry picked portions of the article that do not match your misguided worldview, or have taken them out of context, or made assumptions that are counter-factual.
I suggest that once you finish with your nappy to you go back and review the article one more time because it is more than obvious that you didn’t comprehend it the first time – definitely above your GED educational level! Too much nuance for you? Can’t handle general concepts?
Your truculent and ignorant response to the article, and the unprovoked ad hominem attacks against me exposes you for what you really are, an arrogant, and closed-minded know-it-all!
Norger says
Mr. Smith,
This isn’t the place for bizarre conspiracy theories. I suppose the Saudis are going to pay billions to settle the civil suit against them because this was an “inside job?”
People like you were similarly claiming the Boston Marathon bombing was a hoax, even after Dzokhar confessed. You aren’t going to win any converts here. Run along.
gravenimage says
More from the appalling “Mr. Smith”:
Triggered…eh!!!
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Yes–how *dare* I be “triggered” by claims that Americans were responsible for slaughtering their own citizens, nor that Americans deserved to be murdered on 9/11?
No one should be so “sensitive”…sarc/off
More:
Quick on the ad hominem attack too!! Touchy, touchy!! Why don’t you go run to your safe space in the corner and suck your thumb and cool down…take a break and calm downl…have some milk and cookies, then lay down and take a nappy!
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This is not an ad hominem attack–that is attacking in a personal manner that has nothing to do with the issue at hand. But my criticisms of “Mr. Smith” have been *exactly*on the basis of his sickening calumny. He either does not know what an ad hominem attack is, or–much more likely–sees such an accusation as a way to try to invalidate any criticism of his own vicious ideas.
And then his idea that my criticism of his repulsive and false claims makes me a “snowflake” is ludicrous and false. I am not trying to shut down his speech, let alone doing this because it is too upsetting to listen to.
Indeed, I have heard such repellent twaddle for sixteen years now.
Instead, I am *exposing* and *countering* his vicious assertions–a very different matter, as “Mr. Smith” of course knows.
More:
It is clear that all you have done in your responses to me posts is cherry picked portions of the article that do not match your misguided worldview, or have taken them out of context, or made assumptions that are counter-factual.
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Notice that “Mr. Smith”–despite his verbosity, *still* is unable to note a single thing that I have gotten wrong. Given the tone of his entire response, this should not surprise.
More:
I suggest that once you finish with your nappy to you go back and review the article one more time because it is more than obvious that you didn’t comprehend it the first time – definitely above your GED educational level! Too much nuance for you? Can’t handle general concepts?
Your truculent and ignorant response to the article, and the unprovoked ad hominem attacks against me exposes you for what you really are, an arrogant, and closed-minded know-it-all!
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How *dare* I object to the mass murder of American citizens, or blaming Americans for it? Bad, bad dhimmi…
gravenimage says
Good post, Norger.
Mr. Smith says
Furthermore, let me add that on the issues we can agree to disagree and still have a cordial and amicable dialogue here online without the rancor, and this was my intent; however, I don’t know who in the hell you think you are pal by launching unprovoked ad hominem attacks against me, but I ain’t your punching bag…I punch back!
You don’t even know me, my background, or where I stand on the issues…and yet you are ignorant and bold enough to dare attack my character personally by making false or misleading statements and ignorant assumptions about me and my positions on the issues?!? All because my “crime” was t submit a link to an article that parts of which you did not agree with? Apparently, your modus operandi is to cyberbully people with whom you disagree, and that is your business, but you are not going to cyberbully me…I’m not intimidated by your posturing, name-calling, and insults!
I am calling you out as a lier who is making intentionally false statements, mischaracterizations, and assumptions about what I personally believe and where I stand on the issues. And be advised, I stand by my earlier statement that you are an arrogant and close-minded know-it-all who owes me an apology.
gravenimage says
Well, “Mr. Smith” is just desperately spamming at this point. He posted the same comment lower on the thread here, replete with the same misspellings:
https://www.jihadwatch.org/2017/09/uk-teachers-scared-to-teach-about-911-for-fear-of-being-labeled-islamophobic#comment-1738473
I answered his nastiness here:
https://www.jihadwatch.org/2017/09/uk-teachers-scared-to-teach-about-911-for-fear-of-being-labeled-islamophobic#comment-1738496
Stan Lee says
Seventy-five+ years make one helluva difference in national will! At that time, I was a very alert kid, my Mom was busy around the clock, knitting necessary clothing items for “Bundles for Britain”, and we felt it was the least we could have done for Brits who were about 21 miles across channel from Hitler’s steam roller arming up for a planned channel crossing. If any one would have told me then, that the Brits didn’t give a damn for what could have happened, I’d never have believed that. The people of Britain were taking a beating from regular NAZI bombings, but they were not going to crack, they absolutely would never have surrendered and NAZI Germany got that message. Great Britain was the spark-plug that motivated resistance against tyranny, and though we had not entered the war until Dec.1941, our factories and transport shipping fleet were busy carrying supplies to the noble island of democracy.
Of course, the time was pre-“Political Correctness” and had anyone even mentioned the PC courage depressant, they would have been told where to go! Of course, it would have taken more than the forces of Hitler could hand out for Brits to give up. You see, they did “give a damn” as an entire people, no one was going to surrender, it was completely out of the question.
Years have brought a different and very negative attitude in the nation and the underlying problem is a government that would take a least line of resistance, which today means “hold the true native Brits to a standard much higher that what it allows for Muslims”. The results have been obvious! What does it take for Brits to understand completely that you are considered inferiors to Muslims by them, they came to your country to “take over,” to conquer you, to possess the land, building their mosques as numerous as once upon a time Pubs and churches were the people centers. …they were meeting places where fellow citizens met regularly, and where ideas and policies were discussed by the generation that did “give a damn” for the nation which they proved under dire circumstances, that they would fight for like proverbial Bulldogs. These were the Brits of a life-style which molded the strong national character that also fielded “No quit” and “Britain First” kind of politicians to represent the British people and their nation, which they loved unconditionally..
“Britain first” is not upheld out of selfishness, it is the motto of selflessness. Make it happen…give a damn!
LeftisruiningCanada says
We need that spirit back again.
gravenimage says
Yes–my mother and aunt both served in the British army as young women during WWII. Will Britons stand up now as they did then?
Andy says
I’m in the same boat as you Stan Lee, gravenimage and LeftisruiningCanada and I suspect a lot of JW readers.
I also had ancestors fight and die for there country. As a matter of fact I have family and friends in the Armed Forces now who will fight for there country if needs be!!!
I also will put in my two cents and fight for what is right If I have to, (even tho I’m getting on in years) if it gets really bad for our countries democracies. We will never surrender!!!
Truth is Truth We will always tell it!! No matter who it offends.
9/10: The Final Hours
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MOzV_U6NFB0
gravenimage says
We all have proud pasts, and should never forget that we have stood up to and triumphed over evil in the past.
Walter Sieruk says
Since it will soon will the sixteenth anniversary, September 11, ,2001, of that murderous Islamic terror attack which was a sin unto God, a heinous crime against humankind and an hideous affront against America it should be then known that this primary author of the Declaration of Independent, Thomas Jefferson, had wisdom which may apply to the USA in the year 2017 of a secure and safe America that is well worth remembering
As Americans we should and must remember that for the United States to continue as a great power in the world in spite of the current threats of the Islamic terrorism by jihadist /Muslim terrorists who are operatives of ISIS, Al Qaeda and other jihadists of other similar jihad terror entities. Americans then should have Vigilance, Conviction and, of course, Fortitude. As one of the signers of the Declaration of Independence, Thomas Jefferson, had declared “Let the eye of vigilance never be closed.” and “A conviction that we are right accomplishes half the difficulty of correcting wrong.” Likewise, Mr. Jefferson had also stated “Fortitude…teaches us to meet and surmount difficulties; not to fly from them.” So in other words we , as Americans ,should have learned keep moving on strongly with Vigilance, Conviction and Fortitude.
LeftisruiningCanada says
“A conviction that we are right accomplishes half the difficulty of correcting wrong.”
Very true, good quote. Seems many Brits and Canadians alike have been led to a place where there’s little conviction of right and wrong, good and evil, and it’s left them adrift and demoralized. Can’t fight much in that condition.
gravenimage says
I have that fine quote by Thomas Jefferson in my commonplace book.
Fools says
Another reason to boycott travel to the UK. It appears that gangs of thugs have taken over and are making the Brits cowards. It is difficult to believe that their ancestors fought Hitler in WW2 and the descendents are scared to offend Muslms and Merkel. Who does that nazi witch think she is?
Anne Smith says
Not exactly gangs of thugs, but the British Police “Service” which is now busily enforcing action against “Hate” crimes – the stupid new law which puts the motive, not the actual crime, as the crime.
Most Brits are now heartily sick and tired o fbeing lectured about being “nasty” to our beloved ethnic minorities who have so enriched our cultural life (sarc.) that they keep their heads down and ignore everything.
I would think a lot of teachers fall into this category and others know very little about Islam or why the twin Towers were attacked and wish to know even less.
gravenimage says
Yes–it does not matter that there are not enough police personnel to keep track of violent Jihadists–they still find time to crack down on any patriotic Briton who dares warn about the Jihad threat.
John A. Marre says
And that’s how history began to teach lies, not facts. The truth about the murders on 9/11 by Muslims is being changed to “The day planes flew into buildings.” Instead, it should be “Muslims, inspired by their violent religion, deliberately flew planes loaded with people into buildings loaded with people, intentionally killing all. Their last words were ‘allahu akhbar.’ “
gravenimage says
Actually, it is often even worse than this–often 9/11 is somehow presented as a date when Muslims were persecuted. Of course, this is the exact inverse of what actually occurred.
Peter Buckley says
A serious percentage of the ummah still refuse to accept that muslims were responsible (it was a jewish conspiracy-what else?).
In which case simply link them to Bin Laden’s own “Letter to America”, which gives an incredibly detailed explanation by the man himself of why 9/11 happened. Note the copious quotes from the “holy Book”:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2002/nov/24/theobserver
LeftisruiningCanada says
True. Canadian outlet “The Rebel” interviewed Muslims in Paris and Jewish conspiracy was often mentioned by them for both 911 and Isis.
gravenimage says
Saying that the Jews–or George Bush, or the CIA, or what have you–were responsible for 9/11 is usually meant for Infidel consumption.
LeftisruiningCanada says
Very likely. Problem is, lots of infidels believe it!
Mr. Smith says
So you are of the opinion, based on all the facts as you understand them, that elements within our own government did not have anything to do with facilitating, aiding, or abetting the Muslim attacks of 9/11? Check out this link below and get back to me!
https://www.worldaffairsbrief.com/keytopics/9-11compilation2005.html
gravenimage says
This creep, “Mr. Smith” has linked to an article that sneers at Infidels for feeling “under attack” when Jihadists slaughtered almost 3,000 of us.
Just shameful. It then suggests that since we have not been able to stop every terror attack that we must ergo be enabling them. And more than that–it goes on to say that America is *controlling* Jihad terror.
I suppose this is true of all 31,000+ Jihad terror attacks since 9/11?.
It then describes Osama bin Laden as a “whipping boy”–yes, how *dare* we take issue with Muslims mass murdering us? Bad, bad dhimmis…
It claims that wanting to rebuild in the wake of the Jihad terror attacks is “arrogant”–no doubt they would prefer to see us roll over entirely.
It also claims that all terrorism has to do with resentment over the existence of Israel–not only is this utterly false–Muslims have been waging violent Jihad for centuries before the founding of Israel–it also suggests that we abandon our greatest ally, and only democracy, in the Middle East–in order to appease these thugs.
It then condemns the civilized United States as a “bully”–but is fine with mass-slaughtering civilians. It also claims that terrorists would never attack a European country and just hate us–something that would be, obviously, disproven in just a couple of years–but “Mr. Smith” still wants us to swallow this tripe.
It then goes on to say that the CIA created Jihad terrorism–despite the fact that this has existed for over 1300 years prior to the founding of that agency.
Ultimately, the appalling “Mr. Smith” is shilling for Jihad terror. *Ugh*.
LeftisruiningCanada says
“So you are of the opinion, based on all the facts as you understand them, that elements within our own government did not have anything to do with facilitating, aiding, or abetting the Muslim attacks of 9/11?”
Didn’t say that. Some traitors may have facilitated, but jihad against the west was the motive and intent of those who did it. It was going on before 911 and has been going on since. That’s all I’m going to say on this subject here.
Jack Diamond says
Cripes, why is JW suddenly overrun with Truthers?
It is disgraceful, and an unforgivable slap in the face of the victims of 9/11 not to hold those responsible for their deaths accountable and to ignore the stated reasons why they were murdered. Which is, for the cause of Islam and for reasons of Islam.
It was jihad that came to America that day, a jihad declared by Muhammad fourteen centuries ago. No need to invent conspiracies and secret cabals when you have a real one killing and raping you daily. More fun to invent phantoms and fight windmills?
gravenimage says
I know how you feel, Jack. *Ugh*.
Carolyne says
I agree with you, Jack. These “Truthers” are completely ignorant of the facts. One fact is that I personally witnessed the second plane bash into the tower as did millions of Americans and others around the world. Some say that the people supposedly killed are alive and living in Canada. How did the US Government persuade these people to leave their homes, families and country to perpetrate a hoax? I happen to know the sister of a person who was on the second plane and I can guarantee anyone that that person is dead. Ridiculous.
Jack Diamond says
Coincidentally, a good friend of mine was in the building you saw the plane crash into.
He got out alive, only because he started leaving the building after he watched what was going on in the north tower, despite a loudspeaker telling everyone to remain calm and stay where they were. If he had remained calm, he would be dead.
9/11 was an act of war against America and not by the CIA or the CFR or the NWO or UFOs or the lizard people or even the “Jooooooz”. Islam hit America on 9/11. And there is no great mystery about the culprits, where they came from and who financed them, how the plot was conceived and carried out, the jihad networks and the wealthy states behind them. There may be some details still missing (such as the full extent of Iranian involvement) but they all and only involve Muslims.
Truthers have their own paranoiac agenda and it has nothing to do with the truth. But then we are used to words meaning their opposite after dealing with Islam.
gravenimage says
Jack, I’m so glad your friend got out–so many others did not, in part because even in the midst of the attack many, including authorities, still did not take it seriously enough on some level.
And I agree with you and Carolyne about these “Truthers”–disgusting, and especially appalling when they show up here and still pretend–somehow–to be Anti-Jihadists.
Note that they never say how this would work–was it just, for some unknown reason, that 9/11 specifically was a fake attack, or are they claiming that every Jihad terror attack since 9/11–all 31,000+ of them–were also pulled off by the Jews, by the CIA, by George Bush, or by Hollywood special effects artists?
These are people who cannot face the danger we are in, and would rather blame their own people for it than confront the threat of Islam. *Ugh*.
tedh754@gmail.com says
Yet all white people (well, those who aren’t Muslim) are supposed to feel guilty about everything done in the distant past against “people of color.”
gravenimage says
Under Shari’ah law if it not possible to Infidels to criticize of complain about the actions of Muslims.
These teachers have adopted ipso facto Islamic law, and acting as dhimmis.
Lydia says
This is how the jihad slowly wins.
When folks don’t know history, is when history is most likely to repeat itself.
The problem is not only the criminals, but the spectating bystanders who do nothing.
There is another saying that goes something like;
“The triumph of evil is only possible when good people do nothing to oppose it.”
People need to grow a spine before they lose their heads, and those of their families.
Constantine was overtaken overnight, was it not?
gravenimage says
I imagine you mean Constantinople. Muslims attacked Byzantium over and over again for *over 700 years* before fully conquering them.
LeftisruiningCanada says
And wasn’t it partly the actions of Europeans that weakened that great city, allowing the Arab hordes their chance?
Sounds familiar no?
gravenimage says
Yes–some of the actions–especially of the Fourth Crusade–sure as hell didn’t help. And Western Christendom should have stood with Byzantium. Some Individuals did–but many left them on their own. Both morally reprehensible and terribly foolish.
Bob Smyth says
The teachers are probably worried that, if Muslim parents complain, THEY, the teacher, will not be supported by their managers.
Instead, they will be blamed for “offending” the Muslim parents. Then forced to issue a “grovelling apology” for their “insensitive language”. Also placing their careers at risk.
Facts are no defence against “offended” Muslim parents.
A Muslim “community leader” will then become involved and assert that the ENTIRE Muslim “community” is deeply “offended”.
Wiser Monkeys says
ICM, 2016 poll of UK Muslims, for Policy Exchange:
Regarding responsibility for the 9/11 attacks:
52% say they do not know who was responsible
31% (compared with 10% of whole population) blame the US government
7% (compared with 1% of whole population) blame the Jews
4% (compared with 71% of whole population) blame Al-Qaeda/Muslim terrorists
So, 96% of British Muslims are IN DENIAL about 9/11
https://i.imgur.com/D8UD9Ea.jpg
Read more data at: http://wisermonkeys.uk/islam/ukopinion.html#terrorism
Jack Diamond says
100% of British Muslims do not blame Islam. Surprised?
gravenimage says
96% of Muslims in Britain are *lying* about 9/11…
Mr. Smith says
This might help the understanding process:
https://www.worldaffairsbrief.com/keytopics/9-11compilation2005.html
gravenimage says
Once again, “Mr. Smith” is claiming that Jihad has nothing to do with Islam, and that it is all the fault of the “filthy Infidels”. *Ugh*.
One of the most grimly laughable aspects of this vicious article is that Muslims would never attack Europe. Shouldn’t “Mr. Smith” at least update his stupid bs?
Mr. Smith says
Furthermore, let me add that on the issues we can agree to disagree and still have a cordial and amicable dialogue here online without the rancor, and this was my intent; however, I don’t know who in the hell you think you are pal by launching unprovoked ad hominem attacks against me, but I ain’t your punching bag…I punch back!
You don’t even know me, my background, or where I stand on the issues…and yet you are ignorant and bold enough to dare attack my character personally by making false or misleading statements and ignorant assumptions about me and my positions on the issues?!? All because my “crime” was t submit a link to an article that parts of which you did not agree with? Apparently, your modus operandi is to cyberbully people with whom you disagree, and that is your business, but you are not going to cyberbully me…I’m not intimidated by your posturing, name-calling, and insults!
I am calling you out as a lier who is making intentionally false statements, mischaracterizations, and assumptions about what I personally believe and where I stand on the issues. And be advised, I stand by my earlier statement that you are an arrogant and close-minded know-it-all who owes me an apology.
gravenimage says
“Mr. Smith” wrote:
Furthermore, let me add that on the issues we can agree to disagree and still have a cordial and amicable dialogue here online without the rancor, and this was my intent;
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*Of course* this was “Mr. Smith’s” intent. Clearly, he wanted everyone here to swallow his calumny about Americans mass-slaughtering each other to make Islam look bad.
More:
…however, I don’t know who in the hell you think you are pal by launching unprovoked ad hominem attacks against me, but I ain’t your punching bag…I punch back!
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Ah, yes–taking issue with the idea that it is Americans who are responsible for murdering almost 3,000 innocent people is victimizing the poor “Mr. Smith”–poor guy! Never mind his calumny.
And look where he decides to take a “moral stand”–by slandering decent Americans. *Ugh*.
He has already “punched” them.
More:
You don’t even know me, my background, or where I stand on the issues…and yet you are ignorant and bold enough to dare attack my character personally by making false or misleading statements and ignorant assumptions about me and my positions on the issues?!? All because my “crime” was t (sic) submit a link to an article that parts of which you did not agree with?
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One can learn a great deal about a person from the ideas they hold–this is no exception.
And no–there were not “parts” of the article I disagreed with–“Trutherism” is repugnant in all its parts. Believing that Americans were responsible for murdering their fellow citizens? Repugnant. Believing that American civilians deserve to be slaughtered for supporting Israel against Muslim efforts to destroy her? Repugnant.
It would be better to ask “Mr. Smith” what parts *he* might disagree with. Generally if one links to an article–especially without any critical comment or cavil–then one may logically assume that it is broadly agreed with.
More:
Apparently, your modus operandi is to cyberbully people with whom you disagree, and that is your business, but you are not going to cyberbully me…I’m not intimidated by your posturing, name-calling, and insults!
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The idea that countering “Mr. Smith’s” vicious calumny is “cyberbullying” is absurd.
I have no intention of intimidating “Mr. Smith”, but just exposing his ugly claptrap. I presume by “posturing” he means that he rejects decency and truth.
More:
I am calling you out as a lier (sic) who is making intentionally false statements, mischaracterizations, and assumptions about what I personally believe and where I stand on the issues. And be advised, I stand by my earlier statement that you are an arrogant and close-minded know-it-all who owes me an apology.
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Note that “Mr. Smith” calls me a “lier”, yet is unable to note a single thing I have said that is not true–he also fails to say where he *does* stand on the issues. This should not surprise.
And no–I do not apologize for telling the truth.
Jack Diamond says
Similar to how they stopped bringing up the Holocaust in classes in Norway when Muslim students were present. Intimidation works, they won’t hear it. Unless the teacher is also of the presumption that 9/11 was a justified retribution for Western sins and putting U.S. military into the land of the two wholly mosques, which is also probable. So, who is the “strong horse”? Islam.
Blangwort says
They’re not afraid of Islamophobia, whatever that might be. They’re legitimately afraid that many of the class will cheer it on as “an Islamic Victory over the Great Satan.” This will lead to fights in schools, and then later fights in the streets.
It is going to happen sooner or later.
Karina says
What do you expect from the United Kingdom of Islam?
The Muslims rule over there, and there’s no hope.
Islamicized education that twists and distorts history and reality was just the next step.
Norger says
OBL understood the historical significance of September 11th. Not that any mainstream western media or educational institution will touch this with a 10 foot pole.
http://gatesofvienna.blogspot.com/2006/09/other-september-11th.html
Georg says
Why would they be offended? I thought 9/11 has nothing to do with their cult.
martin says
Kamal Hanif OBE << so just another of satans lying whores then.
martin says
Kamal Hanif OBE, who was appointed by the Government to turn around three schools at the heart of the “Trojan Horse” scandal
Yet another example of the government helping advance the ignorance of citizens and assist the coming genocide of non muslims.
Henner720 says
Don’t bash the teachers they are in the frontline , better yet support and help and garant there personal security.some ppl scare e z.
eduardo odraude says
A brilliant new article about Islamophobia, one of the best I’ve seen:
https://www.city-journal.org/html/theres-no-such-thing-islamophobia-15324.html
eduardo odraude says
But the conclusion may be too optimistic about the possibility of taming Islam. But otherwise, it’s excellent.
gravenimage says
While it is not specifically an Anti-Jihad site, City Journal has a lot of good articles on the subject.
Walter Sieruk says
Those cruel ,vicious and murderous jihadist/Muslims who composes the brutal and deadly jihad entity ,al Qaeda, were actually putting in to the practice deadly violence of Islam on the day of September 11, 2001 with murderous jet hijacking of those jet planes by using them as missiles is part of the teaching of the “holy book” of Islam ,the Koran. Which contain the doctrine of extreme violent force for the advancement of Islam. As seen in the Koran, for example,2:191. 4:89. 5:33. 9:5,111,123. 47:4. So in spite of the strong denials by many, al Qaeda is an actual Quran based organization. Likewise the malicious, bloodthirsty violence jihadists who make up al Qaeda are real Muslims. Nevertheless, there are some who might , understandably, wonder and then ask “Just how can those jihadists of al Qaeda ,being so very religious , also at the time also be so very malice-filled ,unfeeling and deadly ? “ The answer to that question is found in the Bible. For the Bible teaches that there are some men who are extremely heartless, cold, callous and dangerous because they have had “their conscience seared with a hot iron.” First Timothy 4:2. [ K.J.V.] In this case of the jihadist members of al Qaeda this “hot iron” is Islam.