Hey buddy, it’s mutual. We don’t need Erdogan’s rapidly re-Islamizing Turkey, and it is not a genuine ally of the U.S. in any case. It is long past time for our old Cold War alliances to be adjusted in light of new realities. We need an international alliance of states that are threatened by jihad terror, and need no alliances with states that support or propagate jihad terror.
“We don’t need you: Erdoğan warns US,” Hürriyet Daily News, October 12, 2017 (thanks to Joshua):
Amid the ongoing visa and arrest crisis between Ankara and Washington, President Recep Tayyip Erdoğan said on Oct. 12 that if the U.S. does not accept Turkey the way it is “then we do not need you.”
Calling on Washington to “return to reason,” Erdoğan repeated his claim that it was U.S. Ambassador to Ankara John Bass who prompted the current crisis.
“We are not a tribal state. We are the state of the Republic of Turkey and you will accept it. If you don’t, then sorry but we do not need you,” Erdoğan said, addressing a meeting of provincial governors in the capital Ankara.
“The decision taken by the U.S. Consulate and the statements made after it are not related to the truth or reality. A junta within the American bureaucracy that is related to the previous administration aims to sabotage relations between the new administration and Turkey,” he added.
Ankara and Washington are going through their worst bilateral crisis in years after U.S. Istanbul Consulate official Metin Topuz was arrested last week, prompting the U.S. to announce on Oct. 8 that it has stopped issuing non-immigrant visas in Turkey. In return, Ankara imposed tit-for-tat measures implementing the same measures….
nicu says
megalomaniac – typical Muslim !
Dave says
Erdogan and Dems have lot in common .
Turkey allows harvesting of organs from refugees and killing them in the process http://tinyurl.com/mfpzzl8
And that includes killing children too !
gravenimage says
Whatever you think about the Democrats, they are not harvesting organs from refugees.
Allan Mandrowski says
Lol
I read that and thought the same.
terry says
What do you call the actions being perpetrated by Planned Parenthood???
Bob says
No..they are harvesting organs from American babies at the Planned parenthood clinics…..by the thousands. Give that some thought
aVoice says
You are quite correct however, don’t they harvest and sell organs from aborted babies?
Remember a prominent Democratic organization: Planed Parenthood?
Bob says
The is no difference between the Dems, Clinton are that they want to destroy our country….they are communists.
Westman says
“We are not a tribal state..” – what exactly does one call Islam and its emphasis of the Ummah over the state?
Islam was born in the crucible of tribalism and redefined the world into believers and nonbelievers – a new expanded definition of tribe(believer) and non-tribe(unbeliever); the House of Islam and the House of War. Didn’t Erdogan say there is only ONE Islam?
Erdogan is making threatening sounds(like Kim Jong-Un?) He is about to leave the Young Turks twisting in the wind and decimate the economy of Turkey. We will really miss those products from Turkey that have added so much to Western life. Maybe Russia will be willing to work with him to increase its buffer zones.
John Forbes says
ERDOGAN is a very dangerous fellow & is on the path to Dismantle the Ataturk Secular Turkey & return to the Ottoman Empire days with an area conquest agenda .
He has already threatened Merkel in Germany & realized that they have been brow beaten for decades, have no national pride & are led by the weak & are ripe for an Islamic Take over ,
The EUROPEAN project (EU) consumes all of the leaders time with little realization that OUTSIDE the world is becoming a dangerous place & your one time ally may well turn against you !
This is one FLASH POINT POTENTIAL & a BIG ONE !
Avenger says
Ataturks secular Turkey murdered (genocide) their countries Armenian, Greek and Assyrian Christian population, all 4,300,000 of them.
I don’t think “secular” Turkey deserves to exist.
gravenimage says
The Armenian Genocide began under the Ottoman Empire, and continued thought the “Young Turks” and Attaturk.
One of the few things they could all agree on…
John Gehrke says
Might be a handy place for US airstrips to deal with Syria but we need to do what is best for our interests and not reward or condone anti-US behaviors
Guest says
That’s supposed to be our line.
mariam rove says
Another Muslim ranting. Their Lira has already taken a nose dive. M
Timothy Micheal McAlee, Sr. G.eD. says
These Muslim fanatics, believe that “allah”, will Reward them with 72 Virgins & they could Not be more Wrong! Mohammad was a Dyslexic & misinterpreted the Quran! It says, “with 27 Virgins will I reward You, BUTT YOU won’t know, if thay are Male or female, until You get here SUCKERS”!!!
Voytek Gagalka says
ANYTHING to do with reason? Islam and reason are opposites in each and every instance. “We are not a tribal state.” Oh, yes, you are! Whole Ummah (Islamic “community”) of which Turkey is such a proud leading member (by the CHOICE of its current oppressive government which possesses more of dictatorial form than resembling any real republic), is the one big tribal collective – suppressor of INDIVIDUAL rights: the purest tribalism.
Voytek Gagalka says
“Return to reason”? He must be joking, a mustached punk! Since when Islam has ANYTHING to do with reason? Islam and reason are opposites in each and every instance. “We are not a tribal state.” Oh, yes, you are! Whole Ummah (Islamic “community”) of which Turkey is such a proud leading member (by the CHOICE of its current oppressive government which possesses more of dictatorial form than resembling any real republic), is the one big tribal collective – suppressor of INDIVIDUAL rights: the purest tribalism.
gravenimage says
Spot on posts, Voytek.
mortimer says
Agree with VG: “Since when has Islam had ANYTHING to do with reason? Islam and reason are opposites.”
Islam is a euphemism for ‘enslavement’. Slavery is not reasonable.
gravenimage says
Erdogan to US: “We don’t need you”
……………….
We sure as hell don’t need Turkey.
BlueRaven says
That photo of Er-Dog-‘n makes me think he has been constipating way too long. He should try to increase his fiber intakes daily, then he may talk a little sense.
Forgot, that he is an Islamists brain dead hypocrite. No cure for him man.
BlueRaven says
On the picture, it looks like he is trying hard to change the TV channels, and he is getting frustrated by each thumb press because it aint working 😉
Guy Forester says
Looks more like hitler in one of his rants. All he needs is a shoe in his hand and he looks like kruschev at the UN.
Max Publius says
But sissyboy Erdogan needs Islam, just like the cowardly, bloodthirsty imams. That’s the difference between Erdogan and Ataturk, who loathed Islam and marginalized it as much as he could in a few short years, allowing Turkey to progress. Now the natural wimp Erdogan is wearing his Islam phony armor zoot-suit to promote himself and regress Turkey back to the medieval ages. Islam is no armor, and the illusion it is, is fading away fast.
Georg says
Anything that helps keep Turkey out of the EU is fine by me. Thanks, idiot.
Sarah says
I feel sad for the Turks and Kurds who voted No in the referendum and who do not support Erdogan and his ‘vision’ for Turkey. They’re going to lose everything they have gained. I also feel exasperated because really, what did they expect? The coup was Turkey’s last chance to remain a modern nation.
Secularism is what gave Turkey its current position. Its current classification as a developed nation with an emerging economy. The nation has been self sufficient in food production for around 25-30 years now. They do not require foreign aid anymore, indeed – they give foreign aid to others. Unlike most of the Arab states, Turkey has a manufacturing sector that is pretty healthy. A solid agricultural sector that provides a gigantic range of fruits, vegetables and meats. They have a defense industry, a steel industry – Turkey has all of this, unlike the Arab states because of SECULARISM.
And Erdogan is going to drag them right back to the Ottoman days. He’s going to turn Turkey into what the Arab world looks like. The problem for Turkey is that they don’t have gigantic oil reserves floating underneath them. and hiring in foreign workers like the Arabs do, isn’t profitable when we’re discussing standard developed state industries like manufacturing, defense, steel etc. Oil is so wildly profitable that it offers the mind boggling flow of cash that makes important swathes of foreign workers worthwhile.
Turkey will go to the dogs. I predict a civil war within 15 or so years. I predict Islam becoming more and more dominant and eventually completely taking over with Sharia in play and the secularism and democracy they are supposed to have now, becoming a distant memory. I predict a decline in living standards and opportunities – and a wild increase in Turks looking to leave and hit the EU for better lives.
And I predict the EU, after being battered to its knees by the migrant hordes they have already let in and the wars to come as a result – will panic at the idea of the Turks amassing on the horizon- and flat out refusing for any of them to come through. It’ll be one of the major starting pot shots for the third world war.
Good old Islam. Even in 2017, its still bringing war, violence, misery, death and destruction to everyone’s front door.
Georg says
“I predict Islam becoming more and more dominant and eventually completely taking over with Sharia in play and the secularism and democracy they are supposed to have now, becoming a distant memory.”
From The Economist:
But now that the party has risen, the story is getting darker. Early in his career Mr Erdogan made a telling remark he was later to regret. Democracy is like a train, he said; you get off once you have reached your destination. Now many of his party’s critics fear that Turkey’s president may be getting close to that goal.
Source: https://www.economist.com/news/special-report/21689877-mr-erdogans-commitment-democracy-seems-be-fading-getting-train
gravenimage says
Turkey was never fully secular, and even at its best has been warped by Islam.
But yes–Turkey came much closer than other Muslim states, and this showed in its comparative modernity and relatively healthy economy.
All of this, as you note, is being rolled back under Erdogan.
Jlong says
I totally agree
Flavius Claudius Iulianus says
It’s begun. The reconstituting of the Turkish Caliphate.
“In Novi Pazar, local people waved Turkish flags and the green and blue flags of Serbia’s Muslim community, and chanted Allahu Akbar (God is greatest). A big banner read ‘Welcome Sultan’ and was signed by ‘Ottoman grandchildren’.”
Sultan Erdogan! Imagine.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-serbia-turkey/turkeys-erdogan-gets-warm-welcome-in-mainly-muslim-serbian-town-idUSKBN1CG24F
sakovkt says
Know your enemy!
Erdogan actually is a part of the Post Cold War realignment ; Regionalism.
This is something of the post WW2 “Spheres of Influence” that neither side adhered to, which precipitated the Proxy Wars of the Cold War Era.
Since the Fall of the USSR, these small players have learned how to manipulate the major powers better than they ever did. They’ve become much more politically astute in acquiring allies from the major powers and playing one off against the other.
America took over the role of the European Empires when they collapsed “Policeman of the World”. That’s an Imperial function.
But, this is over.
With no Communist antagonist against which to structure “Liberal” “freedom movements”, Liberals have turned upon common sense as a last resort. It will fail.
Alexander Dugin is counting upon this with his “Fourth Political Theory” : another “Enlightenment” but of Eurasia which he hopes will conquer the West.
He’s not our friend. But what he calls “Americanism” is, in America, “Progressivism” and a type of Imperialism a la the Cold War.
American Conservativism is going to have to make adjustments for the Post-Cold War, Post Modern Era, in which we will not dominate the entire world as we once did.
Contiguous border accrue a great advantage that no amount of military technical expertise can challenge. In addition, Americans are tired of war after war. Our Republic is too susceptible to foreign propaganda infiltration to remain a quasi-Imperial power. We have no idea how 7 U.S. Special Forces got killed in Niger over the few days, or what they were doing there. For every American who thinks Assad is “evil” for using chemical weapons, there’s another who thinks the gas attacks were Syrian Rebel Flags. Nothing wrong with this in a “self-governing” republic, except that we have no idea who we’re fighting anymore. Congress is just a front man for the “deep state’ which does whatever it wants and neither Right nor Left trust Congress anymore.
A return to Tradition is in the offing for the entire Western World, a Fourth Political Theory, if you will.
That’s why all the chaos, political dissention and thuggery in America.
We’re at the cusp between eras and might better start rethinking our role in a world that can no longer be dominated by single powers or even a single ideology.
A Fourth Political Theory, not yet formulated, would provide (in Dugin’s view) a return to Nationalism, Traditional Religion and Thought, along with the benefits of Industrialization which cannot be reversed.
There is a Global Balance of Power in it.
Dugin is certainly presenting this in order to acquire anti-American allies for Russia.
But, it does seem, that he’s on to something which we might well consider.
“The Fourth Political Theory” is cheap, short, but pretty dense reading.
There’s a bit of rant in it.
But, there is also some truth.
Love it or hate it, we ignore it at our own risk.
Consider, that a 4thPT focusing upon Tradition would, in the case of America, return us to our Constitution, as the key American Identity.
Wellington says
Turkey coming into NATO when it did (1952) was completely defensible because it was then thoroughly secularized and a mortal enemy of the USSR (which entity perished, though so many Russians to this day think the Cold War was a draw (e.g., Putin)————-it wasn’t, the USA and its allies won and the idiocy which was Marxism, led by the USSR, lost; so get over yourself, Russia, because, once again, you were on the losing side of history).
But now, Turkey under Erdogan makes a mockery of what NATO ultimately has stood for since its inception in 1949, i.e., the greatest military alliance in all of history for the protection, preservation and promotion of freedom. Yes, as long as Turkey under Erdogan remains in NATO, it represents farce on the grandest scale. One knows this or should know it.
Turkey out of NATO! This is one of many imperatives that needs to transpire if liberty is to survive. Unfortunately, deeply unfortunately, so much of the West right now has become craven to Islam, to the longest lived and best disguised form of evil of all time. Welcome again to the Age of Nonsense as I call it and as Robert Spencer has called it the Age of Absurdity.
Finally, if Erdogan isn’t a metaphorical turd, no one is a metaphorical turd. I mean it even shows in his face what a turd he is, confirming again what Orwell observed, to wit, that everyone by fifty has the face they deserve. No better example could one find, I would argue, than Erdogan’s face. It does indeed, a la Orwell, reveal so much.
Westman says
Imagine how sad it would make Mustafa Ataturk to see the reforms that made Turkey great, rolled back by this “Caliph” poser.
JayT says
Huh, you can also add shameless hypocrite to Erdogan’s profile. We remember during both Iraq wars this supposed NATO member denied the U.S. airspace travel rights over their territory. Well, you know, how could he stomach having a fellow Islamic nation bombed though he was supposed to be a NATO member.
So where’s the hypocrite part? Oh, that would be when he demanded in his spat with the Russians, after they downed a Russian fighter jet, that we, the same NATO partners he denied, were required to support his nation in a looming conflict at the time with Russia.
Erdogan’s face seemingly is thicker than a military bunker……..
gravenimage says
He’s not really a hypocrite–just a Muslim supremacist.
Muslims will use the values of the West when they can–in order to destroy the West.
Mockingjay says
…notice how he blames Obama for this – LOL!
Guy Forester says
Another megalomaniac. There are many Turkish products shipped to the US and EU, and probably Canada, Australia, and NZ. I read labels carefully and avoid buying any Turkish anything. If his exports suddenly drop by 50% his economy will collapse.
Iran, Turkey, and Russia are all vying to be king of the poop pile in that region. Each one thinks the others are too stupid to know they are being played for fools. Cut off everything financial and military with Turkey and see how long that little party lasts.
Ren says
Who needs a muslim thug Erdoğan?
Matthieu Baudin says
“… We need an international alliance of states that are threatened by jihad terror, and need no alliances with states that support or propagate jihad terror…”
Absolutely! We should work alongside any state that actively pursues modern civilisational standards of ‘life and limb’ human rights and equality before the law. That’s the starting point for making alliances aimed to roll back the reach of militant Islams terror outfits.
mortimer says
There are signs that Turks are more and more getting “Erdogan fatigue” from exposure to this angry, ranting dictator.
The younger voters have already turned away from him and so the handwriting is on the wall. In three or four years, the younger voters will probably turn strongly against the AKP. Let’s hope so.
Anne Smith says
Unfortunately there will probably be no voting allowed by then, Erdogan will have confirmed himself as a total dictator.
Turkey is going down the same path as Iran.
gravenimage says
Grimly true.
Guy Forester says
2020 Turkish Ballot:
Choose One of the Following:
___ Erdogan
___Nagodre
___Your death
rich says
It is right in front of your eyes.
Open and your eyes and SEE: Erdogan IS the literal Antichrist of the Bible. There, I said it.
gravenimage says
Oh, he’s pretty bad, all right. But I don’t think he’s even the worst Mohammedan. He’s got *a lot* of competition.
Mike says
Time to kick these winners out of NATO!
tim gallagher says
I don’t think non-Muslim countries can ever really have genuine alliances with Muslim nations. After all, Islam divides the world up into the non-Muslims, and calls that the house of war, and contrasts it with the house of Islam. Right back at you is my attitude to Islam. Of course, I guess, unfortunately, we ( I mean the non-Muslim nations) do need to make security arrangements with Muslim nations. But, surely, there’s no way that any non-Muslim nation can ever trust a Muslim nation. Muslim nations, full of hatred for non-believers, will always be wishing evil on us and wanting to advance barbaric Islam. It’s them or us. It would be great if we just didn’t have to have anything to do with Muslim nations, such as Turkey, or any other Muslim nation. Islam is always our enemy. Turkey is certainly heading in a nasty and dangerous direction. The main thing though is surely to keep Muslims out of our countries. We obviously have to deal with Muslim nations, but just keep the MUslim enemy out of our countries. Letting Muslims infiltrate our societies through immigration is truly a recipe for disaster. This Erdogan is certainly an annoying, aggro creature.
Guy Forester says
In reality, they tend not have strong alliances with each other. If it isn’t shia v sunni, it is arab v non arab. If it is not that, who is the real arab?
tim gallagher says
Yes, that’s a good point, Guy. Muslims will certainly always find ways to fight and kill one another over who’s the purest type of Muslim, etc. Hey, hating and murdering people is what Islam is all about. Take that away from Islam, there’d be nothing left. All the different groups of Muslims, all the different Muslim countries, will share their ferocious hatred of non-Muslims though. It binds them together somewhat. I’m glad the various Muslim groups and countries do hate and fight one another. It helps to weaken Islam to some degree. I know I’d never trust any Muslim.
gravenimage says
We should isolate the Muslim world as much as possible. This is when we were at our safest from Mohammedans.
tim gallagher says
I agree, gravenimage. It would be wonderful to be able to completely isolate the Muslim nations. We probably will always have to deal with and make arrangements with Muslim nations to some degree. I would just like our political leaders to understand that Islam is our clear enemy, to be clear sighted when they deal with the Muslim enemy and realise that the Muslim nations are always going to be working against our nations’ interests. I feel many western leaders just don’t get it and think that Muslim nations are genuinely our allies. I think they should all have woken up by now.
dumbledoresarmy says
Agreed.
And think about this: you are a middle-aged American female artist. *I* am a middle-aged Aussie housewife (even if I have a medieval-studies PhD and four languages under my belt). And yet we, because we have read the Quran, and other Islamic texts, and have read and absorbed Mr Spencer’s books, and many others besides, including apostates from Islam like Nonie Darwish and Ayaan Hirsi Ali, can see this simple and obvious reality.. whilst our politicians, most of our non-Muslim prominent religious figures, our businessmen and journalists and academics and, alas, generals and law enforcement, seem absolutely incapable of grasping it.
We can see the simple fact: Got Muslims? Got Jihad?
And once we came to understand the ubiquity and depth of deception and duplicity that Islam produces in so many of its adherents, coupled with the doctrine of al-wala wa al baraa, Loyalty and Enmity, and the template established by the Treaty of Hudaybiyya, we came to see that no infidel person, entity or nation can or should ever trust an ‘alliance’ or ‘deal’ with *any* Muslim person, entity or nation. It’s just not worth it. Too dangerous.
And when we understood the significance of the Treaty of Hudaybiyya, then we – two middle-aged ladies who have neither of us ever used a weapon against another human being – understood, grimly, what so many infidel generals seem not to understand: that Muslims only seek ‘peace’ / truce/ treaty when they feel weak; and that they will not *keep* any such peace, or treaty, a nanosecond longer than the moment when they have regrouped, rearmed, and feel strong enough to go back in for the kill. And that therefore Infidel forces engaged in the defence of Infidel lands against Jihad need to be prepared to treat Muslim calls for ‘talks’ and ‘truce’ and ‘treaty’ as a signal to… keep on hitting, and hit *harder*.
MFritz says
I highly doubt Putin would embrace an alliance with Turkey. Way too unreliable.
No, he will only pretend to make NATO feel uneasy – and at that point they will try to keep Erdogan as ally, no matter the cost. Which will be the gain of Russia as Erdogan will ruin Turkey AND pull NATO down when he falls.
Troybeam says
Right across from Washington DC/ A Turkish Compound see links.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lb3-BbRL6kw
https://www.facebook.com/pages/Turkish-American-Community-Center-in-Lanham-MD/115732508590356
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diyanet_Center_of_America
Wakeup says
Great he called the shot one less bill for the US. What the hell is wrong with Russia communism is gone it’s a Christian country now they should be our friends and allies.
Guy Forester says
Putin if former KGB. Think he gave up on communism?
Wakeup says
Further to my previous post I noticed that president Duterte said when he was asked about Putin said “he is my idol”
There are four nations in the world not being lead by wankers the US, Russia, Israel and the Philippines.
gravenimage says
Duterte pals around with Jihad leaders, and has done little to take back the Philippine city taken over by ISIS. Not sure I’d include him on your list.
Russia also does a great deal of pandering to Islam. Here is Putin opening one of Europe’s largest Mosques, alongside Erdogan and Abbas:
https://www.rt.com/news/316327-moscow-mosque-largest-europe/
jak says
Well, “F” U and yo momma. Pigsh*t.
robert randall says
We need to pull out Nukes out of Turkey
dumbledoresarmy says
Yes. Get them out of range of jihadis’ sticky fingers.
And I do hope that the current POTUS, who understands business and money and ‘deals’, is applying some of that nous to instigate – if he has not already so done – a thorough investigation into Fethullah Gulen and the so-called ‘Gulen Movement’ within the west.
Follow the money! Cut off the money! (And, by the by, since I’ve mentioned money, I hope someone is investigating the enormous Chobani outfit, as well. I find it very worrying that this Muslim-owned business outfit has bought up *so much* of the dairy food industry – especially in Australia – **so** damn fast. Where did they get the money to do it?)
Raja says
Ali Sina (ex Muslim) has been claiming for several decades that Islam can never be tamed.
It is high time Turkey is booted out of NATO and EU too. Isn’t the gory history of a “secular” Turkey lesson enough to ALWAYS look at Turkey with suspicion?
Erdogan has lifted the veil of Islamic deception for the West to act. Hope US pulls the trigger first.
dumbledoresarmy says
Yes. The USA needs to ditch Turkey… and kick it out of NATO.
And say, grimly, both to Pakistan and Afghanistan: “talaq! talaq! talaq!” .. and then realign, massively, towards India.
And the USA needs to face facts: and recognise that the Abominable HOuse of Saud is no friend at all, nor is Qatar, nor Bahrain, nor Kuwait, nor the Emirates.
With one Islamic entity after another the USA should give a lead to the rest of the Infidel world by slowly, carefully, but inexorably, step by step, disengaging from the Ummah, and working, in every way it can, to expose and to counter the influence-peddling of the Ummah.
Free-world infidel nations also need to disengage from Muslim Indonesia – which though superficially charming, is steadily going sharia, and has already Gone Jihad in assorted locations.
fbijihadidefender says
Islam need Jihad and Jihad glorified Allah. Islamic State Turkey, of course don’t need a pagan country such as U.S. , what IS need is ‘elimination of infidel.’
Eric says
The USA does not need Turkey. Erdogan is an Islamist. He supports ISIS and Al Queda. The USA should close its airbase at Insirlink ,and move all intelligence assets of Turkey. Turkey should never be admitted to the EU. We should consider kicking Turkey out of NATO.
Eric
dumbledoresarmy says
Yes, yes, yes!
And redirect resources to assisting Greece, and Bulgaria, and the free half of Cyprus, to defend themselves against Turkish aggression.
Help Greece to lock and bar the door against the flood of muhajiroun – muslims from everywhere, mostly Afghani but also Somali (!!) that Turkey has poured over their land border.